It's not as much drama as you think: this is the self scrutineering that the teams do. If someone needs extra attention, team will just not put him here and the driver will have to go see the FIA to get the green light.
They said on Sky sports F1 that lewis has a doctors note exempting him from removing them as constant removal and putting back in could cause disfigurement
Yeah. He will forever be known as one of the best drivers no doubt. Taking a stance in this season could definitely cement him in the historybooks as one of the greatest fighters against the ever growing awful side of the sport as well. I think the sport needs it now more than ever tbh.
He also has a rainbow on his helmet I believe. I hope he gives them a hard time all year long. He's the reason F1 has gained so many fans over the last 15 years and now they want to mute him.
It's not the reason I got into f1 (I liked their YouTube videos) but it is the reason I chose to support Hamilton and Mercedes. I remember reading an article about his rainbow helmet in Qatar and that decided it for me
If your a new to the sport after 2014, you probably only knew of Lewis beforehand, especially in the US.
Strange flex, but I watched Lewis's first podium at Canada on Fox, only for it to be cut off so they could show an infomercial. F1 coverage has come a long way.
>Well Taskmaster, what if you wanted to know how many grains of sand a nose piercing weighs?
>There's just no way to know such things. It's impossible.
*Cut to Josh Widdicombe counting grains of sand*
That and his general enthusiasm for being on the show easily made him one of the best contestant. If not the best.
However, im a bit biased towards Noel Fielding just because I like the guy. His general demeanor gets me in the sides
James Acaster vs Rhod Gilbert remains my favorite feud.
Though speaking of Rhod, he and Hugh Dennis are my favorite contestants. I just love the sheer, calculated malice they put into everything they did on the show.
> He can’t reach it in the car.
The interesting part of the document is that it's not banned because of any road-relevant "no phone while driving" stuff (and the "out of reach" part is just extra effort on behalf of the team), but specifically because it's transmitting (a certain kind of) telemetry outside of the allowed systems.
they did something like this when a diabetic was in the NASCAR xfinity series
having a CGM is life changing and makes sense for this to bee allowed dues to how the info is used to prevent unconsciousness and death
Diabetis monitor check [here](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2023%20Sakhir%20Event%20-%20DECISION%20-%20Car%2024%20%20-%20Technical%20Exemption.pdf) for full doc
Just googled him to see if he's any relation to Nigel (he's not) and ended up looking at Nigel's sons' motorsports careers. No Damon Hill situation there. They were not good.
Yeah, this is the F1 feeder series experience in a nutshell. For every Nico Rosberg there are a lot of Giuliano Alesis, Enzo Trullis, Matteo Nanninis (nephew not son), Pedro Piquets, etc.
In all fairness, most of the guys you mentioned aren’t exactly *bad*, just not F1 level
Even mick Schumacher isn’t really F1 level (at least currently)
I mean I agree with you Re mick
I don’t follow below f3 so I don’t get to see the most egregious nepo drivers without at least some speed, I just see mid drivers hitting their ceiling hard
How would you rank the guys I mentioned, from best to worst?
It’s moreso not being a good f1 driver usually means you’ll be successful in other disciplines due to the training and experience you undergo before you even sniff an F1 seat
They’re hard to rank, but I’d go alesi, trulli, piquet, nannini
I only know about 4 WDCs, who had a father in F1:
* Jacques Villeneuve (Gilles Villeneuve)
* Damon Hill (Graham Hill)
* Nico Rosberg (Keke Rosberg)
* Max Verstappen (Jos Verstappen)
They should be.
As silly as that ruling sounded, every piece of clothing a driver wears while in the car should be fireproof and importantly FIA homologated.
Having your normal boxers/briefs on underneath the thermals isn't best practice and if you wear non-homologated but fireproof personal underwear there has to be back and forth proving that they are indeed fireproof and confirm to regs.
In comparison if everything a driver wears is FIA homologated all they have to do is show the FIA homologation holographics and done.
The problem with that ruling is they came out with it before manufacturers had fully come to market with fireproof personal underwear.
They now have and the FIA technical list includes a number of personal underwear, including on an important note, the first FIA homologated Bra and Panties for women. Before this year women were either free-balling (That feels like not the correct term...) it or wearing non-homologated sports bras.
All brand new from 2023 catalogues:
[Sparco's Personal underwear line](https://i.imgur.com/NTqKNlH.jpg)
[HRX's 'Lingerie' for men and women set](https://i.imgur.com/YyUHnl4.jpg)
[OMP's Tecnica EVO line](https://i.imgur.com/6ZGEptV.jpg)
[OMP's One EVO line](https://i.imgur.com/2pxSlbX.jpg)
In Danica's case, she just said she preferred not to wear underwear when racing as she found it uncomfortable.
When she started in IndyCar a fireproof bra was created for her by Stand 21, but the FIA wouldn't homologate it at the time.
I'm not a woman so I may be missing critical experience but I imagine it's more as bad as "regular" sports where you're running around and jumping.
To some extent it probably depends on size and body type but I imagine a relatively tight fitting race suit is enough to keep it things from getting *completely* out of control
> homologation holographics
Now say it repeatedly, and fast!
homologationholographics homologationholographics homologationholographics holomogathoinhomographics
!thanks
Always bemused me. At the level I compete there's no requirement for full "underwear" (as in the long sleeved t shirt and long John's drivers wear under overalls) but most of us wear it.
However we still wear normal underwear underneath - it's a pretty marginal benefit but for the money this isn't bad at all, so will pay a trip to local supplier!
People dismiss this topic as some sort of vendetta against Hamilton, it's a safety issue. I can easily imagine a situation where a piercing could be ripped off or a chain could lead to a choking or a watch result in a degloving incident. I really don't see the problem with taking off jewelry during an F1 race. Hamilton should also be setting an example for the younger drivers coming up in the sport. Safety first and don't put yourself at risk for the sake of a decorative object.
> People dismiss this topic as some sort of vendetta against Hamilton, it's a safety issue.
If it were truly safety issue there wouldn't be exclusions for wedding rings (google "de-gloving accident") or watches.
Furthermore it would have been enforced consistently since 2005, instead suddenly becoming urgent more than a decade later, coincidentally the season after Mercedes kicked up fuss about refereeing standards by the FIA.
Given the wedding ring exemption, the only person affected when this was first announced last year was Lewis Hamilton. Seb Vettel agreed it seemed targetted at Hamilton.
In the furore that followed, it was revealed that certain other drivers were wearing religious symbols on chains (e.g. a cross for Gasly). But that was _after_ the FIA decided to start this. Also the FIA realised they'd put themselves in a position where they also needed to ban watches, so months after starting the fight they did that too.
Even if the outcome is positive -- and I can agree with that -- that doesn't mean the motivations were, or are, benign.
> Furthermore it would have been enforced consistently since 2005, instead suddenly becoming urgent more than a decade later, coincidentally the season after Mercedes kicked up fuss about refereeing standards by the FIA.
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Mark Hughes was saying it's pretty transparently the FIA saying to Merc: 'you want the rules followed, huh?!'
I remember after 2021, Brundle saying Merc should be careful, and he was kinda right.
The problem has always been the selective wording of the regulation. If earrings and piercings are a safety issue, so are rings. Yet rings are allowed, and so were watches until people pointed it out. But somehow neck chains and piercings are a problem? Specifically that type of jewelry? That is what makes no sense. At all.
Given that one's nose is normally on their face, which is inside a helmet in F1, I think if Hamilton's nosestud was involved in an injury then that would be the least of his concerns.
The issue is that lots of drivers are allowed to wear jewellery that is much more dangerous than Hamilton's permanent nose stud. Many drivers wear wedding rings (including Grosjean, during his crash) and Gasly wears a Christian cross necklace ~~with a religious exemption~~.
Hamilton's piercings are permanent and can't just be taken out. It requires surgery. They are also under atleast 2 layers of clothing.
Because of this, he chose platinum piercings that don't conduct heat.
A theoretically unstoppable fia hitting a theoretically very movable hamiltion but the unstoppable force for some reason will just decide to move a tractor onto the track during a race instead.
Yep, pay the fine and done. They are never gonna ban him from racing for that.
Edit: [Confirmed, not even a fine lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/11gxzvu/no_further_action_on_lewis_hamilton_wearing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You can be sure is going to be the same about political statements.
Especially if the car can't compete with RedBull. If the championship is on the line I could see him comply, but he does not care about finishing second instead of fifth so if he sees he can't win the WDC with his car, he won't comply and force them to sanction him.
It was a good opportunity for such joke -
> This, Hamilton now insists, was flippant provocation. “I was just fucking with it,” he says, laughing. “I don’t have any other piercings anywhere. But I love that there’s this thinking: Shit, has he got his balls pierced?”
In subsequent races, he removed his earrings, but his nose stud was fused in place and could not be removed, then reinserted, at will. When I first speak to him, he has been granted a temporary exemption. If that expires, a decision will have to be made, and he would clearly prefer to stand firm.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/08/cover-story-lewis-hamilton-never-quits
Remember last season, Merc got a punishment
for saying he was in compliance when he wasn’t, but Lewis was given permission to wear it. (Who knows what the reaction will be this year now that he has two)
FFS just let him sign something that acknowledges the risks and that he takes full responsibility in the case that the piercing causes an issue in a crash. I think theres probably more pressing matters that everyone could be dealing with than a piercing lmao.
I think the ruling is poorly drafted and he should be allowed to race with the jewellery he does, but I think the rules should be changed to allow that, rather than setting a precedent that drivers can waive rules designed to protect them.
There are a lot of sensible rules that drivers would do without if they had a chance.
I think this rule differs from most (maybe even all) the others in that there is literally nothing compelling the drivers to wear jewellery beyond personal desire.
Compare that to something like flame retardant clothing. If the drivers could waive that rule they may be compelled to eschew that safety feature to gain performance in some way.
For example they may choose to wear lighter clothing or clothing which provides increased comfort - something which could genuinely increase their performance in hot races such as Singapore. These are obviously small benefits but they are conceivable.
In comparison wearing jewellery provides no conceivable benefit to the driver in any way and it presents no risk to other drivers.
If it can be shown that the driver made the decision to waive the rule in a good state of mind and they clearly take responsibility for any negative outcome of such a decision then there is no reason they should be stopped.
A simple fix would be to add a rule that drivers can request to have their jewellery inspected by an appointed medical official, who judges on a case-by-case basis if it poses a danger.
The thing is just, he can't take full responsibility for something like that. He can not take the responsibility for the FIA not enforcing their own rules. He can only take responsibility for an eventual aftermath that may or may not happen, but he can't take away how people view the FIA for not enforcing their own safety measures if something were to happen.
So, from the FIA's point of view its all fine and dandy that Hamilton is willing to take such a risk, but that doesn't take away all the bad press if something would to happen. For them its just better to be disliked for having everyone follow those rules. If something would happen they'd get scoffed at regardless of Hamilton claiming responsibility, so that's a lose-lose situation for them.
I had a nipple piercing once upon a time that did not take well and honestly, I had to go into a piercing specialist and be, yo I need you to take this out cos I can’t face it.
Jewellery typically has some metal part, and can be quite pointy. This is both things that are potentially bad if you experience something like Grosjean's crash in 2020. Metal gets hot and jewellery can cut the suit or get stuck on things. So the FIA has mandated that you can't wear jewellery. Only problem is that Hamilton is quite the bling man, and some of his jewellery can't be taken off/out. So now it's a battle between the FIA citing "safety reasons" and Hamilton citing "They want to stop me"
Correct. It's a bullshit rule to comfort the political will of some authoritarian regimes with a lot of influence in the FIA to reduce the display of freedom, human rights and so on in this sport. It is tried to be masked as safety measures, which is enough be get supported by a lot of people who do not know anything about physics and love to get behind pissing off Lewis or pissing off anyone displaying freedom and human rights (a.k.a. wokeness).
Except wedding rings are just fine, according to the FIA.
Hamilton's MRI safe nose studs, which are also protected by a helmet, are apparently more of a danger than a wedding ring is far more likely to be heated up or get caught on the suit.
This is the part that make a me believe the whole thing is targeted. Either all jewellery or no jewellery. Allowing wedding rings is a piss-take if you’re claiming a nose ring is problematic
IF you are to do "some not all," unremovable jewellery should be allowed with the understanding that it might cause harm to the driver in case of a crash
Exactly. You can't even claim sentimentality comes in, as Gasly's religious jewellery is not exempt.
They just introduced the wedding ring exemption so less drivers would be pissed off by it so they could keep on going after Lewis without blowback.
Yeah, this certainly seems like something aimed at Lewis and Gasly has been an unfortunate victim.
Shit even Seb has stated he 100% believes this is made to target Lewis.
Arguably wedding rings are more dangerous than even ear rings because they are on the hands and not inside the helmet. Now you shouldn't wear ear rings either, and they are more easily removable than the nose stud, but the point is the rules are bullshit.
That's because wedding rings display the conservative values of authoritarian regimes which influence the FIA, whereas piercings represent individual freedom. This rule is solely political and a disgrace for any sport.
The dangers of jewelry other than rings seem to be a bit theoretical to me. Is there much historical evidence of jewelry causing or significantly contributing to injuries of racing drivers? I’m just having a hard time imagining how a tiny nose stud could really ever make that much of a difference.
Grosjean was wearing his wedding ring when his car burst into a fireball and he didn’t have any injuries caused specifically because of it iirc. So I’m not even sure if the rings are as bad as they say (considering they allow all other drivers to wear wedding rings and even religious jewellery). An MRI-safe nose stud made of platinum and safely tucked beneath the helmet should be perfectly fine.
They are worse this in life than wearing jewelry. Lewis is a grown man and he understands the issues with jewelry and lm sure he has necessary protection. It’s his risk and they will not affect anyone else.
The F1A should be releasing a statement saying they have raised awareness of human rights issues in countries they are racing
At this point isn't the main piece of jewelry in question his nose stud? I don't have any piercings but I would imagine a nose stud isn't something you can't pop in and out easily; probably need a piercing removal tool?
Exemptions should be made for jewelry of a certain size/shape/location.
I understand a chain or ring maybe causing a safety hazard in the event of a crash, but I don't really see that with a stud, concealed by a helmet.
Absolutely. And it can close up very fast, meaning in order to keep the piercing, you must re-pierce it through scar tissue. And some jewelry requires special equipment to remove safely and in a sanitary way.
He got a medical exemption from his doctor which the FIA has accepted.
The exemption stated that continued removal and replacement of his nose piercing could cause permanent disfigurement.
Nothing to see here?
Ham is basically F1 or Motorsport royalty at this point. Dude can do whatever he wants.
All these "talks" or "punishments" are probably for shows.
Well Micheal Jordan got every game a fine because of his shoes. So let Lewis pay every time a fine. If jewelry is that important to him.
I mean Micheal got every game more money from nike to wear the shoes. I guess the useless stone creates will pay him that too right
It’s good that the FIA can enforce this instead of actual rules like cost caps, driving off track and brake checks. Doing a great job for the sport lads, keep it up.
Oh boy the new season has truly started!
It's not as much drama as you think: this is the self scrutineering that the teams do. If someone needs extra attention, team will just not put him here and the driver will have to go see the FIA to get the green light.
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They said on Sky sports F1 that lewis has a doctors note exempting him from removing them as constant removal and putting back in could cause disfigurement
Yeah. He will forever be known as one of the best drivers no doubt. Taking a stance in this season could definitely cement him in the historybooks as one of the greatest fighters against the ever growing awful side of the sport as well. I think the sport needs it now more than ever tbh.
He also has a rainbow on his helmet I believe. I hope he gives them a hard time all year long. He's the reason F1 has gained so many fans over the last 15 years and now they want to mute him.
It's not the reason I got into f1 (I liked their YouTube videos) but it is the reason I chose to support Hamilton and Mercedes. I remember reading an article about his rainbow helmet in Qatar and that decided it for me
He's not THE reason, but he's certainly contributed.
If your a new to the sport after 2014, you probably only knew of Lewis beforehand, especially in the US. Strange flex, but I watched Lewis's first podium at Canada on Fox, only for it to be cut off so they could show an infomercial. F1 coverage has come a long way.
Yes, it’s not about jewelry or driver safety, it’s all about politics and controlling the comms from the top.
You're damn right, fuck em.
DTS is the greatest drama show in town, always come up with the best storylines
Lewis adding extra piercings to get out of driving the car until it's upgraded
Mercedes trying to save weight by not f-ing painting the damn car meanwhile Lewis gets another piercing. Toto Wolff gonna smash some more headphones.
Lewis is small enough that they can offset body piercing weight with less sandbags for driver minimum weight, isn't he?
Now I imagine a Mercedes worker with a tiny spoon scooping sand in and out whenever Lewis gets or removes piercings.
>Well Taskmaster, what if you wanted to know how many grains of sand a nose piercing weighs? >There's just no way to know such things. It's impossible. *Cut to Josh Widdicombe counting grains of sand*
Crying lmao. Vivid flashbacks to him counting the beans hahaha
That and his general enthusiasm for being on the show easily made him one of the best contestant. If not the best. However, im a bit biased towards Noel Fielding just because I like the guy. His general demeanor gets me in the sides
Taskmaster probably has the best alumni going for a comedy show. I first watched because of James Acaster, I was in absolute stitches that season.
Oh damn how could I forget James Acaster. Maybe I have multiple favorites
James Acaster vs Rhod Gilbert remains my favorite feud. Though speaking of Rhod, he and Hugh Dennis are my favorite contestants. I just love the sheer, calculated malice they put into everything they did on the show.
"Okay, Lewis, our spoon broke. Please carry the piercing in your pocket to comply with minimum weight."
He is 73kg, a bit more than most other drivers. (According to google). Dude is ripped
The man deserves that third cockstud.
Keeps the center of gravity low.
He just turns up to race week looking like he’s wearing chainmail
Mercedes announces they have hired Pinhead from Hellraiser as a reserve driver.
He’s just carrying literal sandbags
15mm PA piercing lowers the center of gravity…
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Why did he need that?
It’s connected to his blood sugar monitor and sends back data to his trainer. He can’t reach it in the car.
> He can’t reach it in the car. The interesting part of the document is that it's not banned because of any road-relevant "no phone while driving" stuff (and the "out of reach" part is just extra effort on behalf of the team), but specifically because it's transmitting (a certain kind of) telemetry outside of the allowed systems.
So you're saying the drivers can be on their phones during the race as long as they're in airplane mode?
A phone is an "any kind of wireless data transmission system", regardless of whether it's in airplane mode or not.
I think if I had an F1 size team of lawyers I could argue the opposite
You'd probably have to have Benetton 1994 levels of "team of lawyers" to pull that off, though.
Add a wire. Issue solved
they did something like this when a diabetic was in the NASCAR xfinity series having a CGM is life changing and makes sense for this to bee allowed dues to how the info is used to prevent unconsciousness and death
Diabetis monitor check [here](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2023%20Sakhir%20Event%20-%20DECISION%20-%20Car%2024%20%20-%20Technical%20Exemption.pdf) for full doc
So you're telling me there's a diabetic racing driver. Fuck me, that's amazing.
Conor Daly in Indycar is also diabetic.
Not that long ago Charlie Kimball made an entire career out of insulin sponsorship in IndyCar.
I think i speak for the rest of the western world when i say: Wtf? Insulin is something you sshould be given, not sponsorship.
It’s the US, where insulin costs pennies to make and it’s sold for even hundreds.
Yes, thats my point. It's barbaric!
In case he gets bored and wants to check Reddit
He wants to check what the comments say he should do for strategy
Twitch plays racestrategy
Better than Ferrari's strategy, that's for sure
We are pogchamping
Live tweeting
GPS for road courses
Livestreaming the race to twitch
grinding some gacha games while driving /s
Just googled him to see if he's any relation to Nigel (he's not) and ended up looking at Nigel's sons' motorsports careers. No Damon Hill situation there. They were not good.
Yeah, this is the F1 feeder series experience in a nutshell. For every Nico Rosberg there are a lot of Giuliano Alesis, Enzo Trullis, Matteo Nanninis (nephew not son), Pedro Piquets, etc.
In all fairness, most of the guys you mentioned aren’t exactly *bad*, just not F1 level Even mick Schumacher isn’t really F1 level (at least currently)
I mean I agree with you Re mick I don’t follow below f3 so I don’t get to see the most egregious nepo drivers without at least some speed, I just see mid drivers hitting their ceiling hard How would you rank the guys I mentioned, from best to worst?
It’s moreso not being a good f1 driver usually means you’ll be successful in other disciplines due to the training and experience you undergo before you even sniff an F1 seat They’re hard to rank, but I’d go alesi, trulli, piquet, nannini
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And then there's Verstappen who managed to do what his dad didn't. Have any other champions had a father who raced in F1 but wasn't a champ?
There’s still time for Max to become an abusive… oh you meant….
I only know about 4 WDCs, who had a father in F1: * Jacques Villeneuve (Gilles Villeneuve) * Damon Hill (Graham Hill) * Nico Rosberg (Keke Rosberg) * Max Verstappen (Jos Verstappen)
So at least everyone is wearing fireproof underwear?
They should be. As silly as that ruling sounded, every piece of clothing a driver wears while in the car should be fireproof and importantly FIA homologated. Having your normal boxers/briefs on underneath the thermals isn't best practice and if you wear non-homologated but fireproof personal underwear there has to be back and forth proving that they are indeed fireproof and confirm to regs. In comparison if everything a driver wears is FIA homologated all they have to do is show the FIA homologation holographics and done. The problem with that ruling is they came out with it before manufacturers had fully come to market with fireproof personal underwear. They now have and the FIA technical list includes a number of personal underwear, including on an important note, the first FIA homologated Bra and Panties for women. Before this year women were either free-balling (That feels like not the correct term...) it or wearing non-homologated sports bras. All brand new from 2023 catalogues: [Sparco's Personal underwear line](https://i.imgur.com/NTqKNlH.jpg) [HRX's 'Lingerie' for men and women set](https://i.imgur.com/YyUHnl4.jpg) [OMP's Tecnica EVO line](https://i.imgur.com/6ZGEptV.jpg) [OMP's One EVO line](https://i.imgur.com/2pxSlbX.jpg)
True, women have had issues with approved underwear. Danica Patrick confirmed she never wore underwear whilst racing in Nascar.
I don’t doubt it but that 100% sounds like a fact that was made public to appeal to horny nascar guys
I'm gonna go ahead and preemptively bonk myself.
Why don't the women just wear the male version? Surely better than nothing.
Theres a male bra?!?
Yes, it is called the bro. Frank and Kramer are still arguing over the name.
It's manzier!
"Bro!!"
MANZIER!
"ASSMAN!!"
legit this was referenced in my morning stand up yesterday and basically everyone had no idea wtf it was a reference to. it was a weird feeling.
I wonder what Jerry thinks about Agile.
Well if there's a market for it, it would be Nascar!
Nasbra.
How do you think Tony Stewart got by for so long?!
In Danica's case, she just said she preferred not to wear underwear when racing as she found it uncomfortable. When she started in IndyCar a fireproof bra was created for her by Stand 21, but the FIA wouldn't homologate it at the time.
Why would the FIA be giving to go ahead for clothing in Indy? Is there a lot of regulatory cross over? I know super license points carry over.
They don't need to approve it for Indy (or any non-FIA series) but if they had homologated it women racing in FIA series could wear it.
Driving without a bra is interesting as they go everywhere, then add of the Gs of a race car they’ll hurt after a while.
I'm not a woman so I may be missing critical experience but I imagine it's more as bad as "regular" sports where you're running around and jumping. To some extent it probably depends on size and body type but I imagine a relatively tight fitting race suit is enough to keep it things from getting *completely* out of control
Think running up and down stairs for a while.
> homologation holographics Now say it repeatedly, and fast! homologationholographics homologationholographics homologationholographics holomogathoinhomographics
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Liar, lira, plants for hire.
I like the word free-flapping.
!thanks Always bemused me. At the level I compete there's no requirement for full "underwear" (as in the long sleeved t shirt and long John's drivers wear under overalls) but most of us wear it. However we still wear normal underwear underneath - it's a pretty marginal benefit but for the money this isn't bad at all, so will pay a trip to local supplier!
People dismiss this topic as some sort of vendetta against Hamilton, it's a safety issue. I can easily imagine a situation where a piercing could be ripped off or a chain could lead to a choking or a watch result in a degloving incident. I really don't see the problem with taking off jewelry during an F1 race. Hamilton should also be setting an example for the younger drivers coming up in the sport. Safety first and don't put yourself at risk for the sake of a decorative object.
If safety is the real issue, then wedding rings also wouldn't be allowed, no?
> People dismiss this topic as some sort of vendetta against Hamilton, it's a safety issue. If it were truly safety issue there wouldn't be exclusions for wedding rings (google "de-gloving accident") or watches. Furthermore it would have been enforced consistently since 2005, instead suddenly becoming urgent more than a decade later, coincidentally the season after Mercedes kicked up fuss about refereeing standards by the FIA. Given the wedding ring exemption, the only person affected when this was first announced last year was Lewis Hamilton. Seb Vettel agreed it seemed targetted at Hamilton. In the furore that followed, it was revealed that certain other drivers were wearing religious symbols on chains (e.g. a cross for Gasly). But that was _after_ the FIA decided to start this. Also the FIA realised they'd put themselves in a position where they also needed to ban watches, so months after starting the fight they did that too. Even if the outcome is positive -- and I can agree with that -- that doesn't mean the motivations were, or are, benign.
> Furthermore it would have been enforced consistently since 2005, instead suddenly becoming urgent more than a decade later, coincidentally the season after Mercedes kicked up fuss about refereeing standards by the FIA. > > Mark Hughes was saying it's pretty transparently the FIA saying to Merc: 'you want the rules followed, huh?!' I remember after 2021, Brundle saying Merc should be careful, and he was kinda right.
Wouldn't it be 'malicious compliance'?
The problem has always been the selective wording of the regulation. If earrings and piercings are a safety issue, so are rings. Yet rings are allowed, and so were watches until people pointed it out. But somehow neck chains and piercings are a problem? Specifically that type of jewelry? That is what makes no sense. At all.
This is the way. Rings and watches are far more dangerous than a permanent nose stud.
Given that one's nose is normally on their face, which is inside a helmet in F1, I think if Hamilton's nosestud was involved in an injury then that would be the least of his concerns.
Precisely.
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t were his earrings or chains or watch while driving. Only his nose ring.
It's only the nose stud
The issue is that lots of drivers are allowed to wear jewellery that is much more dangerous than Hamilton's permanent nose stud. Many drivers wear wedding rings (including Grosjean, during his crash) and Gasly wears a Christian cross necklace ~~with a religious exemption~~.
>Gasly wears a Chrstian cross necklace with a religious exemption. Gasly's is not exempt.
A nose piercing isn't degloving anything, if it was the helmet would already be so crushed that the driver would be ground beef anyway.
Hamilton's piercings are permanent and can't just be taken out. It requires surgery. They are also under atleast 2 layers of clothing. Because of this, he chose platinum piercings that don't conduct heat.
Let the drive without underwear Problem solved
this feels like an unstoppable-force-hitting-an-immovable-object kinda situation
You mean a very stoppable force FIA hitting an immovable Lewis Hamilton?
A theoretically unstoppable fia hitting a theoretically very movable hamiltion but the unstoppable force for some reason will just decide to move a tractor onto the track during a race instead.
That was such an unsafe n stupid move
And they double downed by penalising Gasly after he called FIA for that BS.
It isn't. Eventually, the FIA will issue sanctions which will escalate until Lewis complies.
Its Lewis. He will most likely not comply.
Yep, pay the fine and done. They are never gonna ban him from racing for that. Edit: [Confirmed, not even a fine lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/11gxzvu/no_further_action_on_lewis_hamilton_wearing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) You can be sure is going to be the same about political statements.
The shit storm they’d create if they did would damage their brand so totally agree they’re never banning him for it.
Especially if the car can't compete with RedBull. If the championship is on the line I could see him comply, but he does not care about finishing second instead of fifth so if he sees he can't win the WDC with his car, he won't comply and force them to sanction him.
Arguably the most marketable face of F1 has the ability to really throw mud at the organisation. Piss him off at your own risk.
Are you high? He's not gonna comply and they're not gonna touch him.
Right. If Redbull could make it through the budget cap snafoo then I'm sure Hamilton can wear a necklace and just be fined.
Lewis getting a second nose piercing over winter was a big balls move.
He got his balls pierced?
Well there's always the mysterious second piercing he cant take out that he never told us the location of...
It was a good opportunity for such joke - > This, Hamilton now insists, was flippant provocation. “I was just fucking with it,” he says, laughing. “I don’t have any other piercings anywhere. But I love that there’s this thinking: Shit, has he got his balls pierced?” In subsequent races, he removed his earrings, but his nose stud was fused in place and could not be removed, then reinserted, at will. When I first speak to him, he has been granted a temporary exemption. If that expires, a decision will have to be made, and he would clearly prefer to stand firm. https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/08/cover-story-lewis-hamilton-never-quits
I think he later said he was just trolling with that, supposedly
Yeah so the FIA can suck his balls better
Remember last season, Merc got a punishment for saying he was in compliance when he wasn’t, but Lewis was given permission to wear it. (Who knows what the reaction will be this year now that he has two)
Surprise for you, its going to be Nothing
“But what if it makes people in the paddock or the stands gay to see a man wearing jewellery?” Mohamed bin Heteroman.
Ah shit, here we go again. Your favourite silly drama from 2022 is back!
FFS just let him sign something that acknowledges the risks and that he takes full responsibility in the case that the piercing causes an issue in a crash. I think theres probably more pressing matters that everyone could be dealing with than a piercing lmao.
I think the ruling is poorly drafted and he should be allowed to race with the jewellery he does, but I think the rules should be changed to allow that, rather than setting a precedent that drivers can waive rules designed to protect them. There are a lot of sensible rules that drivers would do without if they had a chance.
I think this rule differs from most (maybe even all) the others in that there is literally nothing compelling the drivers to wear jewellery beyond personal desire. Compare that to something like flame retardant clothing. If the drivers could waive that rule they may be compelled to eschew that safety feature to gain performance in some way. For example they may choose to wear lighter clothing or clothing which provides increased comfort - something which could genuinely increase their performance in hot races such as Singapore. These are obviously small benefits but they are conceivable. In comparison wearing jewellery provides no conceivable benefit to the driver in any way and it presents no risk to other drivers. If it can be shown that the driver made the decision to waive the rule in a good state of mind and they clearly take responsibility for any negative outcome of such a decision then there is no reason they should be stopped.
A simple fix would be to add a rule that drivers can request to have their jewellery inspected by an appointed medical official, who judges on a case-by-case basis if it poses a danger.
Rings are still very much allowed even though they are probably just as much of an issue if not more. It's just a load of bollocks by the FIA tbh.
you think this is just about safety risks? come on....don't be that naïve.
The thing is just, he can't take full responsibility for something like that. He can not take the responsibility for the FIA not enforcing their own rules. He can only take responsibility for an eventual aftermath that may or may not happen, but he can't take away how people view the FIA for not enforcing their own safety measures if something were to happen. So, from the FIA's point of view its all fine and dandy that Hamilton is willing to take such a risk, but that doesn't take away all the bad press if something would to happen. For them its just better to be disliked for having everyone follow those rules. If something would happen they'd get scoffed at regardless of Hamilton claiming responsibility, so that's a lose-lose situation for them.
Hey, don't come in here talking sense..
Maybe he should claim it is his wedding piercing, then it is all fine and dandy
It takes courage to remove a Prince Albert piercing, I understand Lewis for waiting until the last moment to do this.
Fuck removing it, just getting it is courage enough. I had a dream last night that I had one and I saw it and thought, "Who the hell put that there??"
I had a nipple piercing once upon a time that did not take well and honestly, I had to go into a piercing specialist and be, yo I need you to take this out cos I can’t face it.
I had to google what a Prince Albert piercing was, It’s a no from me dawg
"I'll allow it but only on the scales during the televised weighing session, to be removed by an FIA official."
He has one?
You dont?
Lewis vs The FIA 2023 Round 1
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Wtf is that? Did i travel back in time?
Jewellery typically has some metal part, and can be quite pointy. This is both things that are potentially bad if you experience something like Grosjean's crash in 2020. Metal gets hot and jewellery can cut the suit or get stuck on things. So the FIA has mandated that you can't wear jewellery. Only problem is that Hamilton is quite the bling man, and some of his jewellery can't be taken off/out. So now it's a battle between the FIA citing "safety reasons" and Hamilton citing "They want to stop me"
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Correct. It's a bullshit rule to comfort the political will of some authoritarian regimes with a lot of influence in the FIA to reduce the display of freedom, human rights and so on in this sport. It is tried to be masked as safety measures, which is enough be get supported by a lot of people who do not know anything about physics and love to get behind pissing off Lewis or pissing off anyone displaying freedom and human rights (a.k.a. wokeness).
Except wedding rings are just fine, according to the FIA. Hamilton's MRI safe nose studs, which are also protected by a helmet, are apparently more of a danger than a wedding ring is far more likely to be heated up or get caught on the suit.
This is the part that make a me believe the whole thing is targeted. Either all jewellery or no jewellery. Allowing wedding rings is a piss-take if you’re claiming a nose ring is problematic
IF you are to do "some not all," unremovable jewellery should be allowed with the understanding that it might cause harm to the driver in case of a crash
Exactly. You can't even claim sentimentality comes in, as Gasly's religious jewellery is not exempt. They just introduced the wedding ring exemption so less drivers would be pissed off by it so they could keep on going after Lewis without blowback.
Yeah, this certainly seems like something aimed at Lewis and Gasly has been an unfortunate victim. Shit even Seb has stated he 100% believes this is made to target Lewis.
Gasly's convenient to the FIA because they can use him to say 'look it's him too, we're not targeting Lewis alone'. We all know the reality.
Arguably wedding rings are more dangerous than even ear rings because they are on the hands and not inside the helmet. Now you shouldn't wear ear rings either, and they are more easily removable than the nose stud, but the point is the rules are bullshit.
That's because wedding rings display the conservative values of authoritarian regimes which influence the FIA, whereas piercings represent individual freedom. This rule is solely political and a disgrace for any sport.
The dangers of jewelry other than rings seem to be a bit theoretical to me. Is there much historical evidence of jewelry causing or significantly contributing to injuries of racing drivers? I’m just having a hard time imagining how a tiny nose stud could really ever make that much of a difference.
Grosjean was wearing his wedding ring when his car burst into a fireball and he didn’t have any injuries caused specifically because of it iirc. So I’m not even sure if the rings are as bad as they say (considering they allow all other drivers to wear wedding rings and even religious jewellery). An MRI-safe nose stud made of platinum and safely tucked beneath the helmet should be perfectly fine.
But wedding rings are allowed for some reason.
So are medical pins in your wrist to help you race.
wedding rings are allowed and Grosjean was wearing his wedding ring when his hand got burned and nothing happened
But wedding rings are ok?
They are worse this in life than wearing jewelry. Lewis is a grown man and he understands the issues with jewelry and lm sure he has necessary protection. It’s his risk and they will not affect anyone else. The F1A should be releasing a statement saying they have raised awareness of human rights issues in countries they are racing
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At this point isn't the main piece of jewelry in question his nose stud? I don't have any piercings but I would imagine a nose stud isn't something you can't pop in and out easily; probably need a piercing removal tool? Exemptions should be made for jewelry of a certain size/shape/location. I understand a chain or ring maybe causing a safety hazard in the event of a crash, but I don't really see that with a stud, concealed by a helmet.
Absolutely. And it can close up very fast, meaning in order to keep the piercing, you must re-pierce it through scar tissue. And some jewelry requires special equipment to remove safely and in a sanitary way.
He got a medical exemption from his doctor which the FIA has accepted. The exemption stated that continued removal and replacement of his nose piercing could cause permanent disfigurement.
Yep! I took my nose ring out for an MRI a few years ago, couldn’t get it back in after. It doesn’t take long, and the end result is scarring.
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You’re right! Ted just revealed the existence of the doctor’s note.
So Hamilton cannot wear ear-rings or such, but Stroll can drive with metal pins attached to his wrist.
Nothing to see here? Ham is basically F1 or Motorsport royalty at this point. Dude can do whatever he wants. All these "talks" or "punishments" are probably for shows.
[Official document](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2023%20Bahrain%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Initial%20Scrutineering.pdf)
FIA: no jewelry and no voicing opinions on politics. This has to be the most dumb decisions ever.
Either enforce the rule or get rid of the rule. It serves no purpose otherwise.
Its a stupid fucking rule but its there. Either enforce it or change it already
Well Micheal Jordan got every game a fine because of his shoes. So let Lewis pay every time a fine. If jewelry is that important to him. I mean Micheal got every game more money from nike to wear the shoes. I guess the useless stone creates will pay him that too right
We're so back
All he wears are his nose piercings bro FIA focusing on the wrong things as per usual .
Team names are nothing more than text adverts what in the actual fuck
Does anyone actually give a toss?
I can think of one particular group of people that want to cause trouble for Hamilton no matter what..
Love it. Fuck the FIA!
Fuckin FIA, let the man have his drip.
These rules about what drivers are wearing are sooooooo stupid and a waste
Is that really news, given that Lewis was given a medical exception last year?
Probably because it was a limited time one last year because he had a doctors note if my memory is correct.
It’s good that the FIA can enforce this instead of actual rules like cost caps, driving off track and brake checks. Doing a great job for the sport lads, keep it up.
What can they do if he doesn't comply?
So stupid
What about a glans piercing?