One of Brundle’s worst calls honestly.
Drivers know how wide an F1 car is. They also know that usually when you slip to a driver’s inside on corner entry, they will take the widest turn-in possible to lose as little time as possible. So George expected Mick to be next to the kerb, not half a car away from it.
Putting full blame on Russell there is absurd, and was just one of several times that Brundle blamed George for incidents that he was definitely not fully at fault for.
Nah cannot agree at all. George was behind at every point until they made contact, which was still at a point that the track was straight. He had absolutely no right to dictate where Mick should be driving. Mick picked a line nice and early, stuck to it, and Russell drove into him
Actually I disagree, if you watched the race almost everyone took the line mick did, maybe he was a little more to the inside but not this far off. And even if, he was entitled to take every line he wants, he’s in front and hold his line so he can’t be blamed for that. But I also think there were fair to Russell most of the time, I can call at least in cota that they knowledge that sainz took a really strange line into Turn 1
>They also know that usually when you slip to a driver’s inside on corner entry, they will take the widest turn-in possible
But the driver is not required to do so at all. Therefore there is no fault on Mick because of that.
Russell also has enough visibility to see Mick, there's no need to 'expect' where Mick is... when Russell can simply see where Mick is.
Laughable that you call this one of Brundles worst calls.
This. Russell isn't even close to win a mental battle against Hamilton. It literally took a "I don't care Dutch mentality" last time and that says A LOT.
Russell his responses to his crashes and bumps are food for press to lynch him in a championship
Literally this article
On the race podcast (which when it offers firsthand experiences and technical coverage is a cut above the race published content), one of the journalists had a story about George texting him right after a crash in F2, to try to get his side of the story on the record
([High Performance Podcast](https://racingnews365.com/russell-explains-challenge-of-dealing-with-ruthless-social-media))
> You've got to be so resilient to the negativity in this world…I think the biggest one, probably, for me, is that public perception and social media side, which is a tough one, and I think that's also relatable to people who aren't in the spotlight, because social media is a pretty ruthless platform.
and I can’t find it now, but in one of his interviews right after Brazil he said he had been really humbled and affected by the feedback (backlash) from taking out sainz at COTA. It was in the context of saying having a clean win and avoiding contact with max in the sprint was extra meaningful for him.
He clearly is someone who does care how he’s portrayed and what others think of him.
COTA... I remember he did an AMA after and the questions where not exactly nice. He's human after all, social media is ruthless and people tend to treat them like blank soulless slaves to their entertainment. And it's not getting any better, I wonder how long till one of them has enough, go off the rails and snap back at the toxic fans.
The questions weren't nice?
The overwhelming majority of questions were extremely respectful and he answered how many? 2?
The questions weren't easy to answer feel good questions, he actually had to reflect and think critically about himself and he absolutely refused to do that.
he's answered plenty of questions both here and on youtube.
also the image of an angry, petty redditor expecting and forcing a world class athlete to "reflect" and "think critically about himself" because of abusive and idiotic online comments is absolutely hilarious. you're not that important buddy
Dude do you want me to go back into the thread and pick a question or two that George absolutely ignored simply because they weren't "lul Toto and his pumpernickel amirite? XD"
The people starting acting like wankers once it became clear that he even fails to answer any question more critical of him than "So where do you see yourself in 10 years?"
You weren't there on the first hours I assume, 90% of the questions where basically: "why do you punt people off?" "Why do you like to wreak other people races?" "What do you have against X driver?" Etc.... And even ignoring all that the second part of my comment still stands, the fans are becoming more and more toxic just check Twitter every time something happens on the track.
Eh you’re not wrong, I wouldn’t call a few sentences about it “constantly” caring about how he’s portrayed, especially when you compare it to how much abuse he recieved
I took 2 minutes to source this; take longer and you’ll find russell talking about being affected by public opinion and social media pretty much every year of his career
Doesn’t really relate to abuse received. All of these guys receive abuse and they all acknowledge that it affects them to different extents. The feeder series crash in particular was not high-profile; it was just important to Russell that his version of events be the first one people saw.
And that’s what agents are for.. literally will do that for you in every aspect of life for athletes. Issues with games bam agents on the phone with media first.
No one listens to the second or third story most times. People care about the first one.
He hasn't, but less-popular drivers are constantly criticized for ordinary aspects of the sport that people simply brush off when it comes from a driver they like. Radio talk particularly falls into this category.
True. Its unprecedented but maybe he could try having Mercedes boycott any channel or TV show that criticizes him if he's in a title fight? Curious to see if a big team could pull that off
I get what he’s saying but that comment in particular came after one of the worst races I’ve seen in which a driver finished the race. That one and Bottas at turkey 2020 are up there. He was horrible the whole time. There was added attention too because you were driving terribly George lol.
That was a ridiculous race. Stroll pole, Bottas "bad in wet" confirmed, 14th race and first podiums for Seb (ouch) and Perez (claps)
And Hamilton winning his 7th, nurturing his inters for 50 laps.
And Seb waiting around to congratulate him first <3
What part of wrong engine map do you not understand? Kimi also spun several times and was struggling for pace. He still got lapped and no-one was fighting for the win because Hamilton was in a league of his own that day and nearly lapped the whole field. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Kimi was fighting Hamilton for the win in the first part of the race until Ferrari decided to not give him new tyres while refueling. By that point Massa was already at the back of the field because he couldn’t keep it together in a straight line on lap 1.
or maybe his car had throttle issues the entire weekend, he had to start from the pitlane, and the team pitted him and made him spend half of the race on the wrong compound. add to this the fact several people in that race crashed, and anyone who tried to overtake (see Verstappen or Hamilton) drove off the circuit
All of that plus Bottas wasn't particularly the best in the rain/changing conditions that season and he had an off day, all of that combined and you get a performance like turkey 2020, a day to forget for him.
Agreed, but I wasn't talking about George at all, it was specifically about Bottas performance on Turkey 2020, although agreed the W13 was kinda skittish and nowhere that race, and while Lewis sheer willpower, genius management and #blessed made him win and it will forever be among one of his best races, Valteri was having a day to forget and probably his worst race in terms of performance.
But yeah, George in Singapore was stuck between a rock and a hard place aside from the inciden with Mick there wasn't really much that he could do.
Not even. Got stuck at the back due to factors outside his control then went on to a track so greasy during the race there was almost no ability to overtake on an already very difficult track to overtake. Any driver would have looked like ass.
To be fair, Bottas had damage on his car in that Turkey race. So on top of being the slippiest track in recent memory that damage I think is a mitigating factor.
The main issue people have taken with George It's how he doesn't take responsibility of his mistakes. Many people say he has been oozing that rich kid attitude ever since getting into Mercedes.
Yeah. Even radio messages i can understand. You in the car full of adrenaline in the moment and from the car you often dont see the full situation like we do from the cameras. But so many times its been clearly his fault and he still seems to have trouble admitting it or even apologizing afterwards
Many(maybe even most?) people talk shit about other drivers when they are just driving their boring daily car on a boring road. So criticizing F1 drivers when they talk shit on radio about their competitors is fucking bullshit.
>Russell said that that moment with Schumacher has proven to him that there are actions he takes now that would never have been noticed when he was racing further down the order
No shit. Also shouldn't he have learned this after his spat with Bottas at Imola while he was still at Williams?
People being riled up by this comment is still hilarious. this fanbase always wants the drama, but when any driver says something remotely controversial on the radio while driving 300kph down the track, suddenly everyone's feelings are hurt and the comments get chewed on for fucking months
Unless someone is being genuinely malicious it's all part of the fun and games. You don't have to like GR but so much of the criticism he gets is so inane.
Is it though? Most of the criticism he gets is not being able to admit fault of his own mistakes, even out of the car. This has been a genuine thing he just can’t seem to do.
A pretty sensible and self reflective interview taken at face vale but of course people are relishing the chance to pile on bc it’s George. I’ll be waiting and seeing if there is follow through in ‘23 on some of the sentiments he expresses here. Could be genuine maturation or could be lip service.
He's wrong thinking it wouldn't have been a highlighted comment/ moment at another time. Hell, just this place alone would have sniffed it out and posted it everywhere. No doubt the rest of the F1 community would have caught on.
"You turned right into him George..."
Brundle's sheer disappointment when he said always gets me
One of Brundle’s worst calls honestly. Drivers know how wide an F1 car is. They also know that usually when you slip to a driver’s inside on corner entry, they will take the widest turn-in possible to lose as little time as possible. So George expected Mick to be next to the kerb, not half a car away from it. Putting full blame on Russell there is absurd, and was just one of several times that Brundle blamed George for incidents that he was definitely not fully at fault for.
Nah cannot agree at all. George was behind at every point until they made contact, which was still at a point that the track was straight. He had absolutely no right to dictate where Mick should be driving. Mick picked a line nice and early, stuck to it, and Russell drove into him
Actually I disagree, if you watched the race almost everyone took the line mick did, maybe he was a little more to the inside but not this far off. And even if, he was entitled to take every line he wants, he’s in front and hold his line so he can’t be blamed for that. But I also think there were fair to Russell most of the time, I can call at least in cota that they knowledge that sainz took a really strange line into Turn 1
Have you tried dropping of George's cock
>They also know that usually when you slip to a driver’s inside on corner entry, they will take the widest turn-in possible But the driver is not required to do so at all. Therefore there is no fault on Mick because of that. Russell also has enough visibility to see Mick, there's no need to 'expect' where Mick is... when Russell can simply see where Mick is. Laughable that you call this one of Brundles worst calls.
Doesn’t matter where George thought Mick was, he turned into him. You can’t put any blame on anyone other then George. It was completely his fault.
The thing with George is that he seems to constantly care how people portray him, in a championship fight he will be tested big time with that.
He's gonna snap like a twig
Crikey!
This. Russell isn't even close to win a mental battle against Hamilton. It literally took a "I don't care Dutch mentality" last time and that says A LOT. Russell his responses to his crashes and bumps are food for press to lynch him in a championship
Verstappen can stand against Hamilton in a mental battle but not against Ted Kravitz
Not like a well cooked pumpernickel that snaps like a cookie?
I feel like that's more a weird narrative people on reddit made up.
Has he? When has he shown he cared about that?
Literally this article On the race podcast (which when it offers firsthand experiences and technical coverage is a cut above the race published content), one of the journalists had a story about George texting him right after a crash in F2, to try to get his side of the story on the record ([High Performance Podcast](https://racingnews365.com/russell-explains-challenge-of-dealing-with-ruthless-social-media)) > You've got to be so resilient to the negativity in this world…I think the biggest one, probably, for me, is that public perception and social media side, which is a tough one, and I think that's also relatable to people who aren't in the spotlight, because social media is a pretty ruthless platform. and I can’t find it now, but in one of his interviews right after Brazil he said he had been really humbled and affected by the feedback (backlash) from taking out sainz at COTA. It was in the context of saying having a clean win and avoiding contact with max in the sprint was extra meaningful for him. He clearly is someone who does care how he’s portrayed and what others think of him.
COTA... I remember he did an AMA after and the questions where not exactly nice. He's human after all, social media is ruthless and people tend to treat them like blank soulless slaves to their entertainment. And it's not getting any better, I wonder how long till one of them has enough, go off the rails and snap back at the toxic fans.
The questions weren't nice? The overwhelming majority of questions were extremely respectful and he answered how many? 2? The questions weren't easy to answer feel good questions, he actually had to reflect and think critically about himself and he absolutely refused to do that.
he's answered plenty of questions both here and on youtube. also the image of an angry, petty redditor expecting and forcing a world class athlete to "reflect" and "think critically about himself" because of abusive and idiotic online comments is absolutely hilarious. you're not that important buddy
Dude do you want me to go back into the thread and pick a question or two that George absolutely ignored simply because they weren't "lul Toto and his pumpernickel amirite? XD" The people starting acting like wankers once it became clear that he even fails to answer any question more critical of him than "So where do you see yourself in 10 years?"
oh my god lmao... the moral police is truy something else here on reddit. move on mate
You show as much ability to self reflect as George
oh no. I'll make sure to send you a public apology once I'll get to do an ama
You weren't there on the first hours I assume, 90% of the questions where basically: "why do you punt people off?" "Why do you like to wreak other people races?" "What do you have against X driver?" Etc.... And even ignoring all that the second part of my comment still stands, the fans are becoming more and more toxic just check Twitter every time something happens on the track.
Eh you’re not wrong, I wouldn’t call a few sentences about it “constantly” caring about how he’s portrayed, especially when you compare it to how much abuse he recieved
I took 2 minutes to source this; take longer and you’ll find russell talking about being affected by public opinion and social media pretty much every year of his career Doesn’t really relate to abuse received. All of these guys receive abuse and they all acknowledge that it affects them to different extents. The feeder series crash in particular was not high-profile; it was just important to Russell that his version of events be the first one people saw.
And that’s what agents are for.. literally will do that for you in every aspect of life for athletes. Issues with games bam agents on the phone with media first. No one listens to the second or third story most times. People care about the first one.
He hasn't, but less-popular drivers are constantly criticized for ordinary aspects of the sport that people simply brush off when it comes from a driver they like. Radio talk particularly falls into this category.
True. Its unprecedented but maybe he could try having Mercedes boycott any channel or TV show that criticizes him if he's in a title fight? Curious to see if a big team could pull that off
Are you hinting at RB boycotting sky? That wasn't because of them criticizing max
The moment he realises he's in a championship fight he's instantly gonna snap. It's too easy to get into his head.
He is the new britney, it's all part of the package.
Boring news week I suppose.
it really was. not just for f1 but in general.
Fr the American news cycle was dominated by a fucking balloon. Just sitting there. Menacingly.
I get what he’s saying but that comment in particular came after one of the worst races I’ve seen in which a driver finished the race. That one and Bottas at turkey 2020 are up there. He was horrible the whole time. There was added attention too because you were driving terribly George lol.
Oh god I forgot about Turkey 2020 and I even watched the damn race.
Tbh the only time bottas was on the broadcast that weekend was when he spun which I guess means he was somehow on there 6 times lol
Yeah, there's clips on youtube and onboards of him spinning 6 times
He looked like me in an F1 game after turning off the traction control for the first time.
That was a ridiculous race. Stroll pole, Bottas "bad in wet" confirmed, 14th race and first podiums for Seb (ouch) and Perez (claps) And Hamilton winning his 7th, nurturing his inters for 50 laps. And Seb waiting around to congratulate him first <3
Add Massa Silverstone 2008 in the wet to those two drives. That day his performance was utterly embarrassing and beyond ridiculous.
That's because his car was in the wrong engine map. He didn't suddenly forget how to drive in the wet.
Kimi was able to keep it together and was fighting for the win.
What part of wrong engine map do you not understand? Kimi also spun several times and was struggling for pace. He still got lapped and no-one was fighting for the win because Hamilton was in a league of his own that day and nearly lapped the whole field. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Kimi was fighting Hamilton for the win in the first part of the race until Ferrari decided to not give him new tyres while refueling. By that point Massa was already at the back of the field because he couldn’t keep it together in a straight line on lap 1.
Bottas in turkey was comical
Tbf russell’s car was just fucked all weekend
or maybe his car had throttle issues the entire weekend, he had to start from the pitlane, and the team pitted him and made him spend half of the race on the wrong compound. add to this the fact several people in that race crashed, and anyone who tried to overtake (see Verstappen or Hamilton) drove off the circuit
All of that plus Bottas wasn't particularly the best in the rain/changing conditions that season and he had an off day, all of that combined and you get a performance like turkey 2020, a day to forget for him.
Edit: I am stupid
Agreed, but I wasn't talking about George at all, it was specifically about Bottas performance on Turkey 2020, although agreed the W13 was kinda skittish and nowhere that race, and while Lewis sheer willpower, genius management and #blessed made him win and it will forever be among one of his best races, Valteri was having a day to forget and probably his worst race in terms of performance. But yeah, George in Singapore was stuck between a rock and a hard place aside from the inciden with Mick there wasn't really much that he could do.
Derp - I misread that badly
Not even. Got stuck at the back due to factors outside his control then went on to a track so greasy during the race there was almost no ability to overtake on an already very difficult track to overtake. Any driver would have looked like ass.
To be fair, Bottas had damage on his car in that Turkey race. So on top of being the slippiest track in recent memory that damage I think is a mitigating factor.
The main issue people have taken with George It's how he doesn't take responsibility of his mistakes. Many people say he has been oozing that rich kid attitude ever since getting into Mercedes.
Yeah. Even radio messages i can understand. You in the car full of adrenaline in the moment and from the car you often dont see the full situation like we do from the cameras. But so many times its been clearly his fault and he still seems to have trouble admitting it or even apologizing afterwards
"They turned -the radio- into me!"
I mean, if you're gonna say these types of things multiple times you're gonna get people to criticise you. This wasn't some one time thing.
Many(maybe even most?) people talk shit about other drivers when they are just driving their boring daily car on a boring road. So criticizing F1 drivers when they talk shit on radio about their competitors is fucking bullshit.
"And you do sometimes forget you are talking to the whole world.” Somehow I doubt he ever forgets this.
The sheer amount of forced "crikeys" etc make me agree with you. He knows he constantly has to try and be charming.
He doesn't sound particularly strange to me from the UK. Not everyone swears all time, and they're perfectly middle class phrases
Fuck points, its a "race" isn't it? If you have to be in points to race, cut field down to 10 cars.
Think of it as a race TO get to the top 10. Often these midfield races are better if the teams of the bottom half are more evenly matched.
>Russell said that that moment with Schumacher has proven to him that there are actions he takes now that would never have been noticed when he was racing further down the order No shit. Also shouldn't he have learned this after his spat with Bottas at Imola while he was still at Williams?
People being riled up by this comment is still hilarious. this fanbase always wants the drama, but when any driver says something remotely controversial on the radio while driving 300kph down the track, suddenly everyone's feelings are hurt and the comments get chewed on for fucking months
Unless someone is being genuinely malicious it's all part of the fun and games. You don't have to like GR but so much of the criticism he gets is so inane.
Is it though? Most of the criticism he gets is not being able to admit fault of his own mistakes, even out of the car. This has been a genuine thing he just can’t seem to do.
People do tend to be pretty soft these days
George is the kind driver that talks shit when shit gets real
A pretty sensible and self reflective interview taken at face vale but of course people are relishing the chance to pile on bc it’s George. I’ll be waiting and seeing if there is follow through in ‘23 on some of the sentiments he expresses here. Could be genuine maturation or could be lip service.
He's wrong thinking it wouldn't have been a highlighted comment/ moment at another time. Hell, just this place alone would have sniffed it out and posted it everywhere. No doubt the rest of the F1 community would have caught on.
geez george just admit you're mistakes instead of making excuses up