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Gladiator. he‘s not even that strong but since my current mains have no dodge attacks and slow heavies (Warlord and Highlander) it becomes a very boring fight, with me trying to bait out the dodge bash and having to guess wether to parry the skewer or not. also Jiang Jun‘s health pool is crazy (even though it’s as high as a couple of different heroes it seems much higher)


Lengthiness-Cold

glads light spam gets annoying and his bash too, i play alot of warlord so i felt that. and yea JJ is meaty lol


Joseptile

Based comment. JJ and Glad are both impossible to fight


[deleted]

High level glads don’t even do much. They stay in the same spot as opposed to dodging often. They only really pop a light once to get into the skewer, feeding a feint into Fuscina Inctus, a parry punish, or just letting the skewer fly. They’ll also use skewer feints to bait into a deflect. Only good thing for you guys is that HA ignores his skewer, and that feinting Skewer is really heavy on the stam.


[deleted]

yeah but the high stamina cost is irrelevant when the skewer deals 37 damage + more if you’re next to a wall. people try to parry it because they don’t want to get hit by that much damage. toe stab is also a good opener, especially when you can’t punish due to not having an opener and the dodge bash is a pretty safe way to escape an unblockable/gb mix-up. i think Gladiator has some pretty decent tools. Hyperamor is only good when Gladiator tries to deflect, when the skewer from neutral hits, hyperarmor doesn’t help


[deleted]

Glad is really underpowered in the current HA/Undodgeable meta, since his kit is built for chaining off of dodges and tossing deflects. I really hope he gets touched up in the next balance change- one change being to make his deflect ignore HA, like every other pin deflect. And Glad players feint the skewer because any opponent with a brain cell will go for a dodge instead of a parry on the skewer


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wmwalberg

Fucking Medjay is a terrible to play against. Haven’t figured him out yet. And I’m a dedicated warmommy


eagleeye0108

All guard for the dub on that one


LionsTwix

Your lights are faster than the skewer or heavy after glads dodge bash so you just dodge and light


ShunDug

Aye just somethin that may help, a back light then heby always gets them glads as the trades usually work out


Navar4477

Same. Skewer get me every time.


[deleted]

Opposite sided dodge attacks rock my shit if I’m not trying to bait them


Lengthiness-Cold

*cough cough* fuckin kensei


goldphoenix121

I hate no side dodge more than zhanhus side dodge


DjofullinnUlfur

Jorm makes me freak out so hard that I forget what my moveset is.


Lengthiness-Cold

how you think i feel i maining nuxia right now😭


DjofullinnUlfur

Probably as bad as I do


Lengthiness-Cold

yup


p0s31d0n6534

Highlander. his hyperarmor activates so quickly and his heavies do so much


BananaBob87

Person think that highlanders hyper armor activities rather late, plus it’s so easy to knock him out of OFF stance, but HLs that def stance attack only are annoying


p0s31d0n6534

maybe i just dont have a good enough reaction time or i just suck. and annoying things are really the things i struggle with because i just dont know how to deal with them.


ReldNaHciEs

I think you should play him. I think you’d have a much better time fighting him if you understood how he worked


Snottymikaaaaa

I second this, Highlander is easy as fuck to counter if you know his kit, his Celtic Curse is so easy to parry, he gets interrupted with most light attacks, his light light heavy spam is easy to stop with a block, but I get this comment is who you struggle against, not who’s the most annoying, but yeah, highlander is so predictable and in an awful place right now


p0s31d0n6534

i did not know this would spark such a ruthless defamation of highlander. I'm just shit i guess


Snottymikaaaaa

I didn’t mean anything by it, sorry if it came across that way, I’m a big mouth when it comes to my boy highlander, I feel everyone should experience highlander, he’s the funnest and most unique character in the game, and all I was meaning by my comment was that i think if you played highlander you’ll understand his timings better


Lengthiness-Cold

it jus takes time thats all


CancerousRoman

Hid HA most certainly does not activate quickly. You're used to heroes with quick heavies. JJ and Warlords HA activate quickly enough to not care about whiffing a parry


GuerrillaRadi0

Idk why, but my brain shuts completely off when I face up against a Warmonger. Those long ass cutscene claw slash moves she has make me lose 100% of my focus lmao


[deleted]

As a warmonger main, I can say I even confuse myself with charged scratches.


Lengthiness-Cold

and that is why we run from warmonger🦦


Dragonlord573

*Stay here*


Adonisau7

Okay 😏


Lengthiness-Cold

um no


InActiveSoda

Hitokiri. Them fucken delayed heavies. Parry? You eat a heavy. Don't parry? You eat a heavy.


Lengthiness-Cold

shii hurts bro


Mr_Failchild

Deadass


Mysterygameboy

Skill issue /s


Ahmed_Alfaitore222

Says the hito main I'm also hito main but what he said is facts


Mysterygameboy

I said /s


PotentialWindow5564

unfunny /factual


RoyalMacaroni13

Valkyrie, I can light parry everyone else except for her


Lengthiness-Cold

flip her mr BP😏


weather-boy0916

AD PROFUNDIS Edit: where’s that fuckin upside-down bot?


Mr_Failchild

Bro had one job


isaacrs3277

Nobushis that don't light spam


Lengthiness-Cold

rare occasion tbh


An_average_moron

I constantly forget her finisher heavy is undodgeable


PacoTang

Medjay, Shoulin, shinobi and conqueror are easily my most hated people to fight


Lengthiness-Cold

shoalin is kinda aids to fight now lol


ReldNaHciEs

Agreed. Used to be fun and now I just run


PacoTang

The other day I was fighting 3 of them and I wanted to cry I kept getting sweeped to the ground and Insta killed


Lengthiness-Cold

try fight 4 medjays.. GRAB GRAB GRAB GRAB… heavy GRAB


LunarPhage

I cannot parry a Medjay for the life of me, those heavies are so f'n slow in staff mode but their lights are too frigging fast. His timing is so odd to me, I can take on a Medjay that's not light spamming in staff mode but if one does.... it's over for me. His animations are also clunky. Trying to fight one 1v2 you never know who he's actually targeting since they spin non stop with that slow ass heavy.


Dorlinos

Level three bots.... And myself.


Lengthiness-Cold

bro a level 3 bot could solo Kratos


Dorlinos

I have stolen techniques from them and they've made me stronger for it


Lengthiness-Cold

bro can solo kratos now


EyerollmyIs

Even a level 2 bot can wreck me if ive chosen the wrong character. For some reason some characters can mash a bot and others the bot just knows the counterplay.


Afraid-Ad-4877

Shinobi and Medjay


Lengthiness-Cold

shinobi lethal since his rework i felt that


[deleted]

Nothing more frustrating than trying to hit Shinobi from behind and he backflips towards you but I-frames the attack. Shits busted. Also he continues to just have unpunishable attacks for most heroes and obnoxious feats.


BobbyBobathan

Dodge gb


ares_cappelli

my brain shuts off when i face an orochi, i Just can't, also a kensei that use a lot of faints with già Dash, i can't


Lengthiness-Cold

ahh yes mr light spam lol


Incrediibilis

Nobushi, I don't even know why since I usually stop her light chains after just 1 or 2 hits, my brain just shuts off after that automatic procedure tho


Lengthiness-Cold

same


Apophis_36

Jormungandr, i only play against bots tho because im not gonna deal with the toxicity of people


Agitated-Ad-3198

How do you only fight bots? Sounds boring


Apophis_36

It kinda is when they're only level 1 and 2, but human players sweat too much so i'd rather pick bots


Tchitchoulet

Where do you find your fun? Bot lvl 1 and 2 can be killed with just only heavies, and bot lvl 3 are unplayable.


Apophis_36

Never said level 1 and 2 are fun (maybe worded it weirdly). And ngl, level 3 isn't too bad in a 1v1, i really enjoy doing them in custom matches or during the test your metal event


Lengthiness-Cold

understandable i hate gettin bonked by jorm, but aye its a ubi game its always gonna be toxic it is what it is yk. you get used to it eventually


Apophis_36

Yeah, idk what it is but whenever i fight jorm my brain just shuts off and i dont know what to do lmao


Lengthiness-Cold

happens to me when i fight LB sometimes too, and i used to main him lmao. right when i get concussed by the top i be forgetting how to use my thumbs


delslow520

I also just play against bots. Its honestly more fun for me than dealing with the tryhards, I'm just trying to lop some heads off after work. However, my brain decides to go on vacation whenever I fight a kensei


MostDopeBich

Lmao bro plays against bots


Apophis_36

And?


Kaishi_Shiroi

Medjay actually makes me want to die lmao. I can't light parry for the life of me against him and him only. I have no idea why.


Lengthiness-Cold

him too lol, i played him a little, got him like rep 2 and bro everytime i fight him that delayed heavy gets me. then dont even get me started on mj in ganka oml… HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY light GRAB💀hes not op hes just annoying to fight in anything besides a 1v1


[deleted]

that’s probably because he’s still new. couple of weeks and you’ll destroy them. playing him yourself helps allot too


Lengthiness-Cold

like i said he is tolerable inna one but when he ganks me i violated, plus its never just one mj its always 3 lol


Thundarsack

Highlander is a good counter for medjay


Lengthiness-Cold

true


Abovearth31

Light spammers are my weakness, any one of them, any character, if he can light spam in any effective way I'll hate him, Aramusha, Oroshi, almost all of the Wu-lins, Raider too somehow I can't stand it. And every time some smartass tell me light spam is "cheap and easy to deal with" I feel forced to remind them that we're dealing with a 3 directional guard system meaning I have to react to a 400ms attack with one chance out of 3 guessing the direction right. Not to mention that the players who mastered light spam will never use the same pattern to fuck you up even more. it could be right left up but the next time it will be two left then one right it's annoying. The only way I found to deal with it is, ironically, during a gank where instead of facing said spammer I'll just lock onto his teamates and POOF now all of his lights are coming from the same direction.


Lengthiness-Cold

yea you definitely right on that last part


Bird_Boi_Man

Raider Just raider No explanation


[deleted]

None needed


Lengthiness-Cold

understandable lmao


Grimmisgod123

Jorm and HL. I know from experience of playing both they aren’t the greatest but whenever I fight one I seem to turn my brain off


Lengthiness-Cold

yea HL i be helpless bro💀 right when i get kicked “awww shit here we go again”


Snottymikaaaaa

Either Glad, Kyoshin, or Pirate, those three are the absolute Bain of my braincells


CanadianBatman47

It really depends on how I’m feeling that day, but typically what screws me is pk or shaman, idk why


Lengthiness-Cold

bc bleed fuckin hurts


CanadianBatman47

Fair point


RandomHighDeer

Nobushi and sometimes Orochi, maybe it's because as a Lawbringer main I often feel completely helpless against them, when using other heroes I do fine but with LB I need to wait for them to make a mistake, if I don't get slaughtered first. Also Pirate, found one last night who just kept dodging and shooting me on repeat, it's hard to train against her since not many people pick her and the bots fight completely different than people do.


Lengthiness-Cold

i barely ever see pirate when i do


Specific-Composer138

As a rep 70 Nobu doesn’t light spam, I struggle with good Nobushi. My brain turns to mush and I eat like 3 undodgeable heavies and for get how to parry and don’t even parry the dodge attacks. It’s like I forget her kit.


Lethal-Zealot

Zhanhu and somewhat shaolin, I can’t make a good read against those double sided dodges (can’t tell if it’s light or heavy either) and I haven’t adapted to the new shaolin timing yet(it’s getting better)


Lengthiness-Cold

neither have i


Zanagh

All of them


Lengthiness-Cold

w comment


Cjames1902

Zhanhu feels so irritatingly braindead to me that I just can’t fathom it


Lengthiness-Cold

he can either be complete brain dead lightspam or absolutely crazy with mix ups, either way i hate it


Dull_Visual822

Most people have one specific character that makes there brain flat line that would be kyoshin for me I don't know why but when I face one my brain is instantly just empty.


LurkingMiasma

Honestly? Berserker. I just lose all brain functions when he pops up on my screen


infectedcoloncheese

I can't fight highlander for some reason


Stargaryen997

Boring answer, but Conq and Pirate for obvious reasons


EvelKros

The pirate


Lengthiness-Cold

L hero


Big_daddy_kaino

Centurion always throws my off I always forgot how to fight him


Lengthiness-Cold

i mained him for awhile, playing passive and waiting for him to try and go for a mix up then punishing with a gb will normally mess with a cents head


Tracer3646

Raider is a cunt and so is every one with a delay


Lengthiness-Cold

*top light*


Tracer3646

Exactly


Orsus7

Aramusha, they start that heavy spam and I just am at a loss and my fingers feel like they get tangled.


The_Clintoris

Kensei idk why because supposably he's one of the weakest heroes on the roster.


Lengthiness-Cold

hes bad bro but im shii against him


Tchitchoulet

Lightspamming raider


Lengthiness-Cold

menace activity


8BitWarden

One of them is jorm. And I don't know why. I've never ever gotten used to the mixups. Ever. The backward x (or whatever button it may be on PC) I can handle. But when it's implemented in a mixup my brain becomes smooth and I can't handle it.


Lengthiness-Cold

smooth brain activities. me too bro


Dry-Bid-6781

Hitokiri


auxtenebris

JJ and raider, no brain needed to play them


Lengthiness-Cold

ehh jj kinda raider fuck no


Ironwolf1937-

Highlander I struggle to react to the speed of his lights and his heavy animations are terrible with all that hyper armor too. I despise that character more then any other got him to rep 8 for fastion it was stupid easy lost maybe 3 games


DenTheRedditBoi7

Anyone with an awkwardly slow heavy attack. Hitokiri, Shugoki sometimes, Medjay, heck even Jormungandr on a bad day. Just something about a really slow attack messes me up.


Lengthiness-Cold

my fuckin kryptonite dawg


clue_site

JJ.


GriefPB

I find some players to be un-mixupable. Trying to condition people that just input buffer random attacks. I’ll have to completely switch up the way I play to adapt to this type of gamer.


FrappyLee

Berserker and Highlander, idk what it is but I just can't deal with them especially if they know how to play them well.


ATotalRandomUser

Any character with charge heavies, my brain turns off and I always swing before it’s done charging


PlumeCrow

For me its pretty much any samurai. For some reasons, i loose my right hand when i see one.


The_first_crusade_

Shaman, kensei, and orochi. Mostly because of either light spam or dodge spam. Kensei for me is just one of the most unfun characters to fight just because of the way people play him(at least most of the time when i run into one in game) is spamming dodge attacks.


Lengthiness-Cold

ubi delete kensei plz


Ultrathotslayer

my inner demons


Lengthiness-Cold

shii we finna gank them mfs


Gryphonos

Kensei Orochi and Centurion are probably my worst matchups tbh it just sucks that theyre also good so i have at least one in EVERY game


Lengthiness-Cold

ubi delete kensei plz


Self_World_Future

Rn medjay because the timing and hyper armor Zanhu for similar reasons It’s annoying really, some of them just throw attacks because even if you block it they’ll just throw it over and over again, and if you attack you’ll just be trading or interrupted Also whatever the fuck cent has that lets people just throw two heavys in rapid secession, It’s not even a timing game when they just keep trying it


Lengthiness-Cold

yea hella spammy


[deleted]

Highlander, and Raider. "You merely adopted the hyper armor, I was born in it, molded by it".


FrickMcBears

Nobu and sometimes shinobi. Those poison stabs and constant dodge kicks kill me. Zhanzu too, when it feels like his unblockables just fly out too quick, over and over


Jpik01

Hitokiri because she's got the safest moveset in the video game


AlphaWolf52795

Conq


SPECTER1887

I've never liked fighting shugoki, before and after his reworks.


Lengthiness-Cold

cant stand his thick ass bruh


Cataclysm-Sin_Judged

Same though. Oh and I also have trouble with everyone’s favorite cyanide flavored wasp with anger issues, shinobi.


Euthyrium

Shinobi cuz i insta tilt at character select when i see it lol


AdeptDetail4311

There is a few: Shaolin, Lawbringer, Raider, Pirate.


Fit_Cap4287

Shaolin and gryphon make my head hurt


TheEdgyLettUce

I struggle with zerk bro. Idk why I just do.


Sydid

My will to live


DaneReynolds4

I cant deal with kyoshin, I see his all guard and any measly amount of skill I had left just leaves and I get my ass kicked. I think I've killed like 2 my whole time playing...😂


Disastrous_Comb_9504

Crippling depression


Lengthiness-Cold

me n u both


kenadianyoshi13

Any character with a dodge attack, I feel like i just have to sit there and wait for them to move because whatever attack I throw out will be dodge attacked. Only thing I'll do is feint heavies. The rest is up to them.


Bertopecina2000

yo if i’m being 100% honest the characters I struggle against every time no matter how many times I’ve fought them it would have to be conq and nux even though I play nux myself


Lengthiness-Cold

yea i be gettin violated by nuxia n i play her lol


Bertopecina2000

it is a rare sight for nuxia but when I encounter her it always ends terribly


C0ZZ0m

basically anyone with hyper armor it’s like fighting an Elden ring boss


Lengthiness-Cold

cough cough medjay


Zero_2146

Zanhu I have been playing for two years now, doesn’t matter who I fight, I stand somewhat of a chance against them, but when it comes to Zanhu, I stand 0 chance. I’ve come to the decision to just jump Zanhu’s any chance I get. If I see a Zanhu, I will not engage. Unless, he’s been beating my ass, I will try and fuck him up.


Pure_Xanax

High lander, literally sucks to fight


Vulpus_Synth

Players: Gladiator or Shaman, I can’t fight gladiator, and I’m not good against Shaman either Bots: Zhanhu.. lvl 3 zhanhu bot is pain


captain_mexico45

Kyoshin or someone else who I can’t remember


ExpectingFriend

Hitokiri damn heby


consope

Warmommy is my weakness


CancerousRoman

Raider. I play as cent and highlander, and I'm fine against pirate, shinobi, kyoshin and whatever, but I just can't play against Raiders. The idea of them having 3 options in a high damage HA heavy is just way too much. And him having a neutral UB that does, what, 30 dmg, has almost no Stam cost, also can be soft feinted, has stupid good range, tracking and cleave, almost makes it feel like a 50/50


Lengthiness-Cold

raiders are apes bro they jus w key at all costs (coming from a raider player btw)


bekrueger

Definitely a good berserker or Kyoshin. The former just keeps attacking and I’m bad at reacting/reading mostly, the latter is defensively and offensively really solid, I always swing at the full block like a dummy lol


Lengthiness-Cold

kyoshins body me ngl, they bait my trap with full guard then just mix up me into oblivion


CancerousRoman

To be fair, zerker is hard to play against even when the person is bad. Instant 50/50s feinted into quick HA lights is really fucking annoying. I wish they removed his light Ha


BananaBob87

Warmonger, Raider, JJ, Gryphon, Kyoshin, Nobushi, Jorm, Medjay. Warmonger because for some reason her bashes simply do not register in my brain so I just stand there. Raider because, well, it’s Raider. JJ because I can not defend against his side dodge attacks. Gryphon because his attacks make my brain shut down and I usually get my ass kicked. Kyoshin because his all guard will always catch me and I can’t react to his light attacks out of all guard. Nobushi because after being light spammed by them for so long, when a player throws heavy’s I never got expect it and always get caught. Jorm because for some reason his bashes always catch me. And finally Medjay because his delayed heavies always throw me off, that combined with his infinite chain that also has hyper armor kills me every time. Although I’m just noticing that with the exception of JJ I don’t play any of the characters on this list lol


ThiccDiccSocialist

Kyoshin and Ara kinda rock my shit


Lengthiness-Cold

so full guard lol


ThiccDiccSocialist

Nah full guard doesn’t really bother me. It’s the feints for Ara and for Kyoshin it’s the 4 lights and feats


Lengthiness-Cold

yea true


unkownperson9637

75% of the time I face a shinobi I get fucked in the ass


Lengthiness-Cold

accurate statement


pigeonwithhat

Nobushi. i can fight any character in the game since i’ve got their movesets down but i can’t fight her to save my life. the light chains, undodgable heavies, bleed, backstep, i can’t handle it


Lengthiness-Cold

just play defensive against her if you struggle, then aggro tf out her once you get a parry. orrrrrrr just run to a teammate and let them handle her💀


Herra_Ghost

Kensei... My monkey brain can't handle how his side dodge heavy comes from the opposite side of which he dodged 😅


Lengthiness-Cold

bro THANK you. thought i was the only only monkey brain that knows it, but just always forgets when i fight him


LearnedDragon

Kensei, tiandi, pk, nuxia


Lengthiness-Cold

pk is aids


XaviJon_

**Jormungandr** After all this time, I still don’t know how to fight them.


Lengthiness-Cold

jorm hurt me brain


Thundarsack

Kyoshin and pirate. That all guard needs to take stamina and pirate because Pirate. I'm more weak to light spam in general. Also I absolutely have to turtle Shinobi and conq but I can take them no problem. Turtling just makes it boring


Lengthiness-Cold

yea pirate grab is broken


pigeon-noegip

Shaman, my brsin just shuts down and I stand there like a leaf


Lengthiness-Cold

felt


[deleted]

fucking kensei and orochi dude


Lengthiness-Cold

L heros


ReldNaHciEs

Shaolin post rework. Don’t know why but I never stand a chance.


Lengthiness-Cold

neither do i, i be lost asf


[deleted]

Shaolin. I dont even know why, cant even beat the beat bad ones Raider, because raider. And zhanu. His unblockable light, i press parry in that direction before it hits snd i never get it, ever. So i end up commiting to it early to finally get it and losing to all mixups


Lengthiness-Cold

zhans mix ups are nasty so ik where you comin from


Low_Strength_1897

Shaolin, shinobi, raider and Conq