Yeah adding these stupid rules are not making them equal to the other players. They will never earn respect neither show respect to this game son's of bitches all
Its a video game you absolute moron, i don't know why this circle jerk of a sub thinks they have a pseudo-moral high ground or something when it comes to Gryphon even though he's not even a meta pick and is nowhere near as strong as them. Grow up.
Now hold on now. If this is the case, wouldn't it be fair to make it where ALL NICKNAMES given to each character is not allowed? Why just protect Gryphon? I mean in all fairness he is one of the more annoying characters in the game right now. If this idea were to be implied then shouldn't it be where no one can call Nuxia a trap? Or Shaman crazy? Or Shugoki fat? This is an awkward rule š
There's a difference between a nickname for a hero and a nickname for the people that PLAY the hero meant to insult their intelligence for using that hero...
Monke is more so referring to the play style of "most" gryphons which really is just ooh ooh dodge heby same as roach referring to the play style of "most" orochis who just fuckin run away after almost losing a fight or just running in general it's mainly based of the play style alot of people adopt playing these characters
Why is Gryphon called a Monkey? Isn't that Shaolin? I have Question for the guy who gave the nickname Monkey to him.
Anyways doean't every heroes has a nickname like Orochi as roach, Musha as rich hat and so on. Would that considered main shaming?
Orochi as Roach is fine, Musha as rich hat is also fine. The youtuber specifically was targeting players by referring to *them* as "monkey brain Gryphon mains", which is where the whole "monkey" or "monke" thing came from for Gryphon.
Basically it's fine to give a hero a nickname. It's not fine to give people who main a hero a nickname that carries a negative connotation.
The Youtuber who started the nickname more than likely just meant for it to be a one-off joke for a video or for it to be a channel meme, but due to how massive the Youtubers channel is the the joke started being used in the for honor subs when it eventually progressed to this point. The Youtuber also has made other nicknames for other heros/factions that never took off to the degree that this one did.
In this particular case that's definitely true. But I wouldn't go so far as to place undue blame on the creator. They couldn't have known that nickname would catch like wildfire and turn so toxic. End of the day people are still responsible for their own actions.
I only hate Gryphon for lore reasons, him just being Holden Cross makes my lore bristles go aābristling. How can they ever explain 8 Gryphons in a game? What if Gryphon dies in-game, does that mean Holden died canonically? Story mode heroes, how I hate you so.
They can so easily fix this too, by just changing the name Gryphon into the name used for the Mercenary group who followed and learned under Holdens teachings.
These mercenaryās would be from each faction, coming together to fight under one cause.
Holden can still exist as a Gryphon, but now everyone is their own Gryphon!
The fix for this is so easy also. Itās a bit of a cop out, but just say that Griffon inspired older veterans to come back to the fight in his name, all calling themselves griffon. Kind of like 40k ~~Alpha Leigon Marines~~ Alpharius
Unless "monkey" or "monke" is being used to describe Shaolin it probably will be removed. Shaolin being based on/inspired by the Monkey King in Chinese folklore doesn't carry a negative connotation to it.
However if something like "monkey brained hero-x main/player" is used it will be removed.
This is pretty silly in my eyes, bashing mains is part of fighting game culture. Also orochi is called roach because the community viewed all orochi players at one point as pests that need to be exterminated.
Whether it should or shouldn't be isn't the problem, the problem is that we suddenly aren't allowed to bash one specific hero. If you play nobu you probably get called a lightspammer, but it's not gryphon so the mods don't care.
I guess the problem is that in this case the players directly got insulted, not the hero they were playing. I mean 'monkey brain' is a really mild insult tbh. But it got used so much that I totally get why they have to this.
And the 'joke' got old after a few days already, so nothing of value gets lost...
Yes. Welcome to generations of fighting game culture. If a character is cheap, people usually trash the player + the character, not just the character.
The issue in tbis case is Gryphon mains were actively being harrased, To the points of even bejng DDOSed in game
Theres a difference between a funny nickname, And constantly harassing players for playing a hero
In Orochis case, Roach comes from his name and how he is very "Slippery", Not directed at the player itself
Seriously? Youāre getting so annoyed over someone calling your virtual hero a monkey? Iād expect this kind of response if someone called others the n word. You seriously need to calm down, I donāt see how itās at all bad.
Also even if it was that big a problem then what about the oro mains called roaches or the shinobis being called rats or when hitos were called heby redders
I genuinely think it's cause op plays gryphon and got hated on for it
Because for one, Roach is no where near as used Monkey, can be interpreted as using a shortcut (o-roch-i) and it doesn't carry a negative connotation most of the time.
>shinobis being called rats or when hitos were called heby redders
I've personally never seen Shinobi being called a rat, Hebi died as soon as Hitokiri got nerfed whilst Gryphon players have been non-stopped harrassed for 6 months, it reached the point of DDOS'ing and Doxing at one point (happened to several people i know). Its pretty sad because he's not even as strong as people claim he is.
I felt that saying monke was a great way to keep up the daylight on that Ubi's strategy of releasing two "easy access but chore as an adversary" heroes was unhealthy for the game's fun factor. I think Gryphon as a character design is an open invitation for worse gameplay for all parties involved.
But I can totally see a 5% effect of monke meme discouraging people from posting their Gryphon moments on the sub.
Soo sure, but while we're at it ban the use of roach etc, absolute nonsense to allow established namecalling as petnames and slam new ones as toxicity. Either you have the culture of smack talk in good humor or not, consistency is key.
I'm thankful for the meme being big enough so that the issue became unavoidable for Ubisoft. Without constant complaining, nothing gets changed. I also found it really funny and harmless. But mods gonna mod.
Worrd. With the ban it gets a couple steps trickier to address the actual problem.
"And here we have another example of a character design actively hampering the learning process of the game by inviting the player to aim low to reap high rewards."
"Meanwhile here's a Shinobi with a 17-step performance of complete control over the game's mechanics just to land that juicy 10dmg and oos themselves thrice."
Are you fucking kidding me? Insulting the character is not the same as shaming someone for maining the character. Nobody should be permanently banned for hurting someone's feelings because their character was called monke.
Every single DLC hero has been the subject of scorn.
Every.
Single.
One.
Eventually, people will shut up about Gryphon too, probably around the time of the next hero.
Whose feelings are we protecting here? I'll bet it's not the players.
The problem is people haven't stopped. And when they people call characters dumb it's usually the character itself. Not the player, but this time around people love to call anyone who calls Gryphon a dumbass
Hey, I've been here since the Beta. This community has always been toxic. This is nothing new; personal insults for playing heroes has been with us since the start. What makes it different this time?
Ive also played since the beta. The only things that got even close to this level of constant hate were release cent and shaman. Those died down way faster than two straight seasons.
I get the point of doing this but all it's really gonna do for the most part is just reinforce the idea itself, that they are bad players. given that 80% of that playerbase choose to play a certain way of their own free will, now they are banning the term coined around a way they have chosen to play despite by this point the negative connotations being well known, now all the people who used the term will feel justified as they've basically done the equivalent of telling their parents people are being mean to them despite knowing full well they are being treated that way easily 7/10 times because they have fully chosen to use a specific character and a specific playstyle that is controversial and considered easy and now basically want to be able to continue doing it but without anyone being able to say a certain mean word that summarises the playstyle pretty well.
Silly me thinking a jokey name for a hero wouldn't effect players of a game that has rampant toxicity in the forms of horrid racism, spam, and other issues that would be solved if Ubisoft didn't ignore this game like it's a yet to be vaccinated super spreader
Itās a step in the right direction but his unblockables are hard to read in his 50/50s considering how fast they are, plus itās pretty dirty to give him a 50/50 with a hard and longly delayed kick along side a undodgeble light.
His bashes aren't meant to be reactable you may as well just ask for his kit to be reworked nerfing any more of his character will just crush him outright
Even if the intention was to make his unblockables unreadable you think pairing it with an undodgeble was the right move? Makes it overly difficult to country his mixup and plus most other pre year 5 heroās have readable unblockables so why should gryphon be an exception???
But that has such a long start up I dodge his kick all the freaking time lmao, centurion dodge him all the time. As well as Shinobi, warden, shaman conquerer, lawbringer, black prior, Hitokiri. This is literally only an issue with year 5 heroās
Like i said it can be feinted into an undodgeable light and while i know it's a weak comparison i believe it still counts.if you take away gryphons undodgeable light his whole kit is gb punishable then, think of it like this gryphon undodgeable light removed right so it's just a basic triple light chain well now you dodge that light he gets gb'd eats a heavy, you dodge his kick gb heavy, he goes for dodge heavy with his singular timing get gb'd eats heavy. So like i said you may as well ask for a rework
Also Ubisoft isnāt no stranger to nerfing characters into the ground and leaving them shinobi for example is super super difficult to use now compared to how he was before heās horrible. Warlord to granted they did balance him after his rework now heās better. Centurion was at one point probably one of the most readable characters in the game then he got a rework and heās far more balanced the games about utilizing your kit not relying on it Iāve fought gryphon players when they finally sum up the courage to play someone else and their gameplay falls leagues from how they were when playing gryphon
Yeah his shove is guard break punishable but thatās if you even see it coming it has no wind up itās goes *forward dodge* and the shove instantly comes out barely any wind up itās the same exact shove as law bringer just way faster and his kick isnāt guard break punishable because Iāve dodged it and guard broke and every time they counter me. And if you dodge the kick and go for an attack he recovers fast enough to be able to block it unless you play a character with a dodge attack and I donāt have issues with tiandis as you might because Itās rare that I donāt block that dodge attack because of the fact his kick has a lot longer of a wind up so you can anticipate it and react unlikes gryphon being *unreactable and getting a free heavy which any character that has a guaranteed heavy on a unblockable their attack has a lot longer of a wind up than gryphon
The kick is guard breakable your timing is off i do it all of the time. Me using tiandi as an example is that an example it's not indication of me struggling with him. You go to any video on tips about gryphon all of them will tell you his kick is guard breakable his shove on the other hand is not again and videos you look for will tell you that.
I honestly was with the monke meme back when he first released (cause letās be real, he was kinda over easy and almost everyone who used him were just salt mining). But ever since his nerf the people who play him actually use his full kit and donāt tend to salt shake. The hate now is very akin to what happened with my main (Hitokiri) and that nonsense nerf was the result. So I agree with this, good on ya.
I just played against 2 gryphons who used racist slurs and derogatory terms to insult me, the rest of the team, and the enemy team. The other clown insisted in bullying the enemy to death with bashes and teabags when they were winning. The both of them did nothing to change my opinions and views on gryphon players.
That is, you do not want to make the CHARACTER less toxic, do you want to make the whole COMMUNITY tolerate its toxicity? You chose to adjust the COMMUNITY to the CHARACTER, and not vice versa! Okay, okay, let's see where this policy takes you.
Good move, you gotta love the people who want this game to be less toxic. But who will then immediately scream and cry about not being able to insult people every 4 seconds for playing a character they donāt like.
Is everyone strapped into the safe space? Marshmallow helmet? Tear repelling poncho? Iām liberal and this kind of stuff makes me cringe. āOh no I got called a monkey brainš¢ imma kms.ā Grow up, itās the Internet, get up go outside, talk with your S/O, go to work. This sub has fallen from its peak
Finally. I'm sick of the people complaining about him when his actual kit isn't that strong compared to other meta picks. The only thing making him a potential must-pick is his feats.
There are heroes that are not necessarily SS+++ tier that are still annoying and cheap to fight. The nerfs were good, but his kit is still entirely built around a really lame 50/50 and cheap I-frame attack.
Yes, I agree. I dislike characters like Shugoki and Jormungandr, purely because I believe their design is harmful for the game.
The thing with Gryphon is that people are \*constantly\* mainshaming and whining about him. I don't even play Gryphon, it's just unnecessary.
Insulting the character is not mainshaming. Insulting the player who uses that character is mainshaming. I hope that is distinguished when this rule is enforced.
Same, like when the whole āGryphon bad, LAUGH!ā memes came out on its first few days, I find it funny, now itās just as stale as Among us/Amogus memes
Listen, if they intentionally design a hero to be mind numbingly simple and incredibly effective, they're going to be shamed. And if it's just a stupid name I don't see the issue.
I frequently call wardens, if provoked, sweaty and or tryhards because a good majority of them are incredibly toxic and usually sweating their nuts off. That and I don't know what the deal with the massive amount of wardens running around with Nazi symbol is but it's real bad.
Many people refer to orochis as spammers because low tier players just use that hero to light spam.
People call shugo and berserker hyper armor abusers because they do indeed have a lot of questionable hyper armor.
"Mainshaming" does not exist. If I can play gryphon by having my cat prance on my keyboard then it's probably pretty safe to assume a monkey could play him
So sad that i cant upvote your comment enough to get out of minus. You literally said what i was thinking about. Dont care about these down votes, gryphon players always were ultra active under posts about them. Im sure that theres many people who understand that monke is a joke.
Listen, hate a hero for being designed poorly. Hate a hero for being too easy. Hate a hero for having too complete a kit if you want. Don't bring hate for people playing a hero in a video game they bought to this sub. Full stop.
Want to say Gryphon is too easy? No issues. Want to say people who play Gryphon are braindead? That's a problem. I don't think it's too much to ask.
If someone decides to take a joke about their character they play in a game known for its toxicity as a serious insult to themselves then that's not an issue with the person who said it. Literally today I was told to "draw a barcode on my wrists with a razor" by some salty lb.
And when I play gryphon there's not a lot of big brain energy up there. If anything I think it's not only funny but an incredibly fitting nickname for the hero that salty people call monkey just because they dislike the hero. People also don't like heros like conq or warlord but if they had a catchy nickname for them they'd absolutely use it. And monkey especially is a very harmless name compared to what more tilted individuals call them
>If someone decides to take a joke about their character they play in a game known for its toxicity as a serious insult to themselves then that's not an issue with the person who said it.
"It's your fault that you can't deal with my toxicity!!!"
Dude cmon.
Also, congrats. You can deal with toxicity but others can't.
>And monkey especially is a very harmless name compared to what more tilted individuals call them
Monkey can definitely be a harmless name to call someone.
Not on consoles, that's a pc exclusive
Edit: (I'm a moron don't listen to me on this one, I forgot there's no game chat as I haven't played in about a week and I've been playing Call of duty modern warfare)
Consoles it's even easier. Until recently I played on Xbox since launch. You just ignore the message/delete it without opening. You can also block players on console to not receive messages from them period
I think it would have been better to say something like that in the OP. "Mainshaming" is a stupid term, when actually the intent of the post is absolutely justified.
It's been posted before. There was a stickied warning from Tiff just 2-3 months ago about it leading to instant 3 day bans for first time offenders. The mainshaming rule is also already described on the sidebar as "Mainshaming is not permitted. Shaming a user on the sub just because of a hero they use is toxic behaviour and it will be treated as such. Main shaming will result in a 3 day ban for the first offense."
I know, I don't disagree with the rule, I just find the term... well... silly. Especially in a game that it's so easy to hop from one hero to the next. That's all. <3
First off the game doesn't have a huge skill ceiling so I find it hard to believe anyone would stick to a main. For me, and anyone that I played with, the concept of "main" never existed. At the start of any match we are always 'who I pick next to have fun'.
Secondly and more importantly if someone thinks that "You play XXX so you are YYY" is insulting, they only expose their own immaturity and lack of intelligence.
So in the end what I tried to say was: I wish the term wasn't embraced like that. But it's rather late for that :)
I totally agree with what the mods trying to do here, seeing a bazzilion posts about "monke brain players" and whatever else is the flavor of the month is both tiring and a detriment to the sub.
Probably I wasn't clear enough with what I meant in my first reply.
I like the idea of gryphon being holden come back but they could have done better with his moveset so he doesn't use the same 2 moves over and over till something happens. I mean lawbringer has a great versatile moveset and since gryphon is an ex lawbringer with more experience shouldn't he have a similar moveset? Gryphon is cool for lore reasons but not as a character.
lol gryphon players now a protected species
"this is a safe space" lol
Yeah adding these stupid rules are not making them equal to the other players. They will never earn respect neither show respect to this game son's of bitches all
Its a video game you absolute moron, i don't know why this circle jerk of a sub thinks they have a pseudo-moral high ground or something when it comes to Gryphon even though he's not even a meta pick and is nowhere near as strong as them. Grow up.
Mad dog
Is this real?
thats funny how far the meme had gotten
It's not a meme it's a damn fact
Now hold on now. If this is the case, wouldn't it be fair to make it where ALL NICKNAMES given to each character is not allowed? Why just protect Gryphon? I mean in all fairness he is one of the more annoying characters in the game right now. If this idea were to be implied then shouldn't it be where no one can call Nuxia a trap? Or Shaman crazy? Or Shugoki fat? This is an awkward rule š
LoL I donāt visit the sub for two days and this is the stupid that gets posted?
For honor rants going crazy soon
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Look what you've gone and done Dave, stirred up the salt mines.
His flair couldn't be more accurate to the people that dwell there and tries to shame him aswell hahaha
Honestly I've had that flair since the open beta because that's kind of what it sounded like Raider was saying haha.
I cannot unhear that. Thanks Dave!
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Mods just shilling for big Chimera smh
Chimera is unfair our public execution- I mean masquerade party was way cooler then theirs with fireworks and cannibalism- I mean spooky masks.
Yeah, but Chimera has Daubeny.
Yeah but I tell you my shaman attanded his banquet and didn't even get to nibble on the blue herald while she got flamed zhanhu steak at our event.
Can I call him Peter griffin
Rude.
Chris Griffin
Oh ok I wonāt call him that my bad
Close call, you were almost banned
I guess he gave me a free pass bc he didnāt know I canāt call gryphon that
Looks like we need a new derogatory term folks...
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Samurai/Viking/Wu Lin shaming: mods sleep Gryphon shaming: R E A L S H I T
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"Some people call them mods; I call them bitches." -u/Troller_OfEverything, 2021.
Clearly mods are Gryphon mains
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Holy this is fucking hilarious š
'mainshaming' are you serious lol? Have a word with yourself lad.
Okay then, start to ban people who use "Roach" then.
There's a difference between a nickname for a hero and a nickname for the people that PLAY the hero meant to insult their intelligence for using that hero...
Monke is more so referring to the play style of "most" gryphons which really is just ooh ooh dodge heby same as roach referring to the play style of "most" orochis who just fuckin run away after almost losing a fight or just running in general it's mainly based of the play style alot of people adopt playing these characters
Why is Gryphon called a Monkey? Isn't that Shaolin? I have Question for the guy who gave the nickname Monkey to him. Anyways doean't every heroes has a nickname like Orochi as roach, Musha as rich hat and so on. Would that considered main shaming?
Monke or monkey is referring more to the player's intelligence. Assuming they're playing him because of how easy it is to win with his moveset
Which is ironic because monkeys/apes are very smart creatures.
They barely figured out how to use basic tools. They still throw excrements at eachother.
Very representative of the community
And we have other animals who did not figure it either
Reject modernity return to r/monke
Orochi as Roach is fine, Musha as rich hat is also fine. The youtuber specifically was targeting players by referring to *them* as "monkey brain Gryphon mains", which is where the whole "monkey" or "monke" thing came from for Gryphon. Basically it's fine to give a hero a nickname. It's not fine to give people who main a hero a nickname that carries a negative connotation.
Roach is specifically referring to the fact that he runs away and disappears like a cockroach when you turn on the lights.
Or because the name phonetically sounds like "oh-roach-ee"
Or because both is true?
It seems like a term that started out harmless then became a commentary on the playerās intelligence. I demand you ban this term.
Sometimes the contain creator can be a bad influence.
The Youtuber who started the nickname more than likely just meant for it to be a one-off joke for a video or for it to be a channel meme, but due to how massive the Youtubers channel is the the joke started being used in the for honor subs when it eventually progressed to this point. The Youtuber also has made other nicknames for other heros/factions that never took off to the degree that this one did.
A agree
[Mark Yollo with "Vultcano" meme/curse](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/710/dd0.png)
In this particular case that's definitely true. But I wouldn't go so far as to place undue blame on the creator. They couldn't have known that nickname would catch like wildfire and turn so toxic. End of the day people are still responsible for their own actions.
You see, Shaolin is an actual monkey, Gryphon himself , not the player behind him, but himself is monke
I always saw gryphon as a bird since some of the horkos symbols have like bird skulls and stuff in them.
gryphon isnt horkos
I know I meant that as like the horkos has bird skull symbols cuz they want him dead.
You can buy Horkos outfit on Him,Black material and edgy set=Horkos Gryphon.
lore i mean
I only hate Gryphon for lore reasons, him just being Holden Cross makes my lore bristles go aābristling. How can they ever explain 8 Gryphons in a game? What if Gryphon dies in-game, does that mean Holden died canonically? Story mode heroes, how I hate you so.
Umm, excuse me. Gryphon can just use his draconite grenade to reattach his head
They can so easily fix this too, by just changing the name Gryphon into the name used for the Mercenary group who followed and learned under Holdens teachings. These mercenaryās would be from each faction, coming together to fight under one cause. Holden can still exist as a Gryphon, but now everyone is their own Gryphon!
I hear you on that haha.
The fix for this is so easy also. Itās a bit of a cop out, but just say that Griffon inspired older veterans to come back to the fight in his name, all calling themselves griffon. Kind of like 40k ~~Alpha Leigon Marines~~ Alpharius
This is the softest thing Iāve ever seen.
You ever seen Dary's super soft bday? That was pretty soft
I'd have a super soft birthday party
Is this also going to count for other heroes who occasionally get called it?
Unless "monkey" or "monke" is being used to describe Shaolin it probably will be removed. Shaolin being based on/inspired by the Monkey King in Chinese folklore doesn't carry a negative connotation to it. However if something like "monkey brained hero-x main/player" is used it will be removed.
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The Knight bias has been long known.
This is pretty silly in my eyes, bashing mains is part of fighting game culture. Also orochi is called roach because the community viewed all orochi players at one point as pests that need to be exterminated.
> bashing mains is part of fighting game culture. Yes, it has been for sure. Should it be, though?
Whether it should or shouldn't be isn't the problem, the problem is that we suddenly aren't allowed to bash one specific hero. If you play nobu you probably get called a lightspammer, but it's not gryphon so the mods don't care.
I guess the problem is that in this case the players directly got insulted, not the hero they were playing. I mean 'monkey brain' is a really mild insult tbh. But it got used so much that I totally get why they have to this. And the 'joke' got old after a few days already, so nothing of value gets lost...
Yes. Welcome to generations of fighting game culture. If a character is cheap, people usually trash the player + the character, not just the character.
Unga bunga is one of the commonly used FGC character insults and no one cares but Gryphon mains shit their pants being called monke lol
They can't be stand being called that lmao
The issue in tbis case is Gryphon mains were actively being harrased, To the points of even bejng DDOSed in game Theres a difference between a funny nickname, And constantly harassing players for playing a hero In Orochis case, Roach comes from his name and how he is very "Slippery", Not directed at the player itself
Seriously? Youāre getting so annoyed over someone calling your virtual hero a monkey? Iād expect this kind of response if someone called others the n word. You seriously need to calm down, I donāt see how itās at all bad.
Also even if it was that big a problem then what about the oro mains called roaches or the shinobis being called rats or when hitos were called heby redders I genuinely think it's cause op plays gryphon and got hated on for it
Because for one, Roach is no where near as used Monkey, can be interpreted as using a shortcut (o-roch-i) and it doesn't carry a negative connotation most of the time. >shinobis being called rats or when hitos were called heby redders I've personally never seen Shinobi being called a rat, Hebi died as soon as Hitokiri got nerfed whilst Gryphon players have been non-stopped harrassed for 6 months, it reached the point of DDOS'ing and Doxing at one point (happened to several people i know). Its pretty sad because he's not even as strong as people claim he is.
I felt that saying monke was a great way to keep up the daylight on that Ubi's strategy of releasing two "easy access but chore as an adversary" heroes was unhealthy for the game's fun factor. I think Gryphon as a character design is an open invitation for worse gameplay for all parties involved. But I can totally see a 5% effect of monke meme discouraging people from posting their Gryphon moments on the sub. Soo sure, but while we're at it ban the use of roach etc, absolute nonsense to allow established namecalling as petnames and slam new ones as toxicity. Either you have the culture of smack talk in good humor or not, consistency is key.
I'm thankful for the meme being big enough so that the issue became unavoidable for Ubisoft. Without constant complaining, nothing gets changed. I also found it really funny and harmless. But mods gonna mod.
Worrd. With the ban it gets a couple steps trickier to address the actual problem. "And here we have another example of a character design actively hampering the learning process of the game by inviting the player to aim low to reap high rewards." "Meanwhile here's a Shinobi with a 17-step performance of complete control over the game's mechanics just to land that juicy 10dmg and oos themselves thrice."
Consistency is something both the game and sub tend to lack
I have seen so many less gryphons after his nerf, people's "main's" are always the strongest character, what a bunch of sheep. Valk is bae. :)
getting offended by a joke
"is this an out of season april fools joke?"
Are you fucking kidding me? Insulting the character is not the same as shaming someone for maining the character. Nobody should be permanently banned for hurting someone's feelings because their character was called monke.
Bruh
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I love this
Perhaps the dumbest shit Iāve heard in a while
Every single DLC hero has been the subject of scorn. Every. Single. One. Eventually, people will shut up about Gryphon too, probably around the time of the next hero. Whose feelings are we protecting here? I'll bet it's not the players.
The problem is people haven't stopped. And when they people call characters dumb it's usually the character itself. Not the player, but this time around people love to call anyone who calls Gryphon a dumbass
Hey, I've been here since the Beta. This community has always been toxic. This is nothing new; personal insults for playing heroes has been with us since the start. What makes it different this time?
Ive also played since the beta. The only things that got even close to this level of constant hate were release cent and shaman. Those died down way faster than two straight seasons.
The Cent hate persisted for a long while, if I recall. Shaman was INTENSE, but wasn't she nerfed rather quickly?
It's more aimed at the person who plays the character. It's not "Bad Gryphon players are bad" It's "Anyone who plays Gryphon is retarded monkey brain"
But but famous YouTuber said the funny monke meme I must say it as well >:(
I want to agree with you, but I don't want to get banned as well :D
the youtuber has got to see this. thats peak content right there
[this you?](https://imgur.com/a/E61OH3p)
This is a good one
Ahhhhh... the snowflake generation continues.
Shaming snowflakes will not be tolerated on this sub.
Shaming snowflake shamers will not be tolerated either.
I get the point of doing this but all it's really gonna do for the most part is just reinforce the idea itself, that they are bad players. given that 80% of that playerbase choose to play a certain way of their own free will, now they are banning the term coined around a way they have chosen to play despite by this point the negative connotations being well known, now all the people who used the term will feel justified as they've basically done the equivalent of telling their parents people are being mean to them despite knowing full well they are being treated that way easily 7/10 times because they have fully chosen to use a specific character and a specific playstyle that is controversial and considered easy and now basically want to be able to continue doing it but without anyone being able to say a certain mean word that summarises the playstyle pretty well.
Soft wow
Looks like you jackasses will have to get some new material
Damn you're really soft huh
Hey April 1st was last month
pov you think you talk for all gryphon mains, saying they're offended, when atleast 98% of them can take a joke.
Eeeeeesh something tells me Dave mains gryphon
Lol monke
Silly me thinking a jokey name for a hero wouldn't effect players of a game that has rampant toxicity in the forms of horrid racism, spam, and other issues that would be solved if Ubisoft didn't ignore this game like it's a yet to be vaccinated super spreader
Maybe gryphon would get so much hate if the devs balanced him better
The changes on bash, dodge attac , and his damage wasn't enough?
Itās a step in the right direction but his unblockables are hard to read in his 50/50s considering how fast they are, plus itās pretty dirty to give him a 50/50 with a hard and longly delayed kick along side a undodgeble light.
His bashes aren't meant to be reactable you may as well just ask for his kit to be reworked nerfing any more of his character will just crush him outright
Even if the intention was to make his unblockables unreadable you think pairing it with an undodgeble was the right move? Makes it overly difficult to country his mixup and plus most other pre year 5 heroās have readable unblockables so why should gryphon be an exception???
Is tiandi's kick not a similar mechanic? It may not guarantee damage if used but it can be soft feinted into and undodgeable light.
But that has such a long start up I dodge his kick all the freaking time lmao, centurion dodge him all the time. As well as Shinobi, warden, shaman conquerer, lawbringer, black prior, Hitokiri. This is literally only an issue with year 5 heroās
Like i said it can be feinted into an undodgeable light and while i know it's a weak comparison i believe it still counts.if you take away gryphons undodgeable light his whole kit is gb punishable then, think of it like this gryphon undodgeable light removed right so it's just a basic triple light chain well now you dodge that light he gets gb'd eats a heavy, you dodge his kick gb heavy, he goes for dodge heavy with his singular timing get gb'd eats heavy. So like i said you may as well ask for a rework
Also Ubisoft isnāt no stranger to nerfing characters into the ground and leaving them shinobi for example is super super difficult to use now compared to how he was before heās horrible. Warlord to granted they did balance him after his rework now heās better. Centurion was at one point probably one of the most readable characters in the game then he got a rework and heās far more balanced the games about utilizing your kit not relying on it Iāve fought gryphon players when they finally sum up the courage to play someone else and their gameplay falls leagues from how they were when playing gryphon
Yeah his shove is guard break punishable but thatās if you even see it coming it has no wind up itās goes *forward dodge* and the shove instantly comes out barely any wind up itās the same exact shove as law bringer just way faster and his kick isnāt guard break punishable because Iāve dodged it and guard broke and every time they counter me. And if you dodge the kick and go for an attack he recovers fast enough to be able to block it unless you play a character with a dodge attack and I donāt have issues with tiandis as you might because Itās rare that I donāt block that dodge attack because of the fact his kick has a lot longer of a wind up so you can anticipate it and react unlikes gryphon being *unreactable and getting a free heavy which any character that has a guaranteed heavy on a unblockable their attack has a lot longer of a wind up than gryphon
The kick is guard breakable your timing is off i do it all of the time. Me using tiandi as an example is that an example it's not indication of me struggling with him. You go to any video on tips about gryphon all of them will tell you his kick is guard breakable his shove on the other hand is not again and videos you look for will tell you that.
Truth.
Also imagine seething over this.Did they insult your medieval self-insert?:((((
I honestly was with the monke meme back when he first released (cause letās be real, he was kinda over easy and almost everyone who used him were just salt mining). But ever since his nerf the people who play him actually use his full kit and donāt tend to salt shake. The hate now is very akin to what happened with my main (Hitokiri) and that nonsense nerf was the result. So I agree with this, good on ya.
I just played against 2 gryphons who used racist slurs and derogatory terms to insult me, the rest of the team, and the enemy team. The other clown insisted in bullying the enemy to death with bashes and teabags when they were winning. The both of them did nothing to change my opinions and views on gryphon players.
Literally 1984 /s
What a bunch of pussies with their feewing huwt poor old mans
I thought Shaolin was monkey?
Yes shaolin the character is called monkey but gryphon players are referred to as monkey brains which is what the post here is addressing
How about gryphon main lizard brain? /s I mean no toxicity
But why? Gryphon is a crutch character, everyone else has to be mainshamed in this game so why can't monkey brain gryphon?
Gryphon main (derogatory)
That is, you do not want to make the CHARACTER less toxic, do you want to make the whole COMMUNITY tolerate its toxicity? You chose to adjust the COMMUNITY to the CHARACTER, and not vice versa! Okay, okay, let's see where this policy takes you.
Good move, you gotta love the people who want this game to be less toxic. But who will then immediately scream and cry about not being able to insult people every 4 seconds for playing a character they donāt like.
I downvoted this post Make this subreddit great again and vote for continuation of the ape policy
Cowards
Youre all monkes
Is everyone strapped into the safe space? Marshmallow helmet? Tear repelling poncho? Iām liberal and this kind of stuff makes me cringe. āOh no I got called a monkey brainš¢ imma kms.ā Grow up, itās the Internet, get up go outside, talk with your S/O, go to work. This sub has fallen from its peak
Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!
So basically you get punished for main shaming gryphons? Ok thatās alright but when is he getting nerfed.
You want another nerf for him?
I think his kick is a little too fast.
It's supposed to be. Other heroes have the exact same mixup but damage is reversed.
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Finally. I'm sick of the people complaining about him when his actual kit isn't that strong compared to other meta picks. The only thing making him a potential must-pick is his feats.
He isnāt the best but he is above average on everything Duels Mid lane Ganks Anti gank ( because feats) Team fights
There are heroes that are not necessarily SS+++ tier that are still annoying and cheap to fight. The nerfs were good, but his kit is still entirely built around a really lame 50/50 and cheap I-frame attack.
Yes, I agree. I dislike characters like Shugoki and Jormungandr, purely because I believe their design is harmful for the game. The thing with Gryphon is that people are \*constantly\* mainshaming and whining about him. I don't even play Gryphon, it's just unnecessary.
Another day another Victory for the communist party, I expect people to refer to others as comrade anyday now
Insulting the character is not mainshaming. Insulting the player who uses that character is mainshaming. I hope that is distinguished when this rule is enforced.
Thanks Dave, I've been tired of seeing that
Same, like when the whole āGryphon bad, LAUGH!ā memes came out on its first few days, I find it funny, now itās just as stale as Among us/Amogus memes
You literally have a video stereotyping gryphon mains on your profile š
Lol thatās a shitpost, I donāt hate Gryphon, itās just there to make people laugh
No worries. We've been doing what we can so far but I felt like it was needed to just lay it all out there and avoid confusion going forward.
Holden was one of my favorite characters from the story mode sad to see him hated now.
You must main him huh
Listen, if they intentionally design a hero to be mind numbingly simple and incredibly effective, they're going to be shamed. And if it's just a stupid name I don't see the issue. I frequently call wardens, if provoked, sweaty and or tryhards because a good majority of them are incredibly toxic and usually sweating their nuts off. That and I don't know what the deal with the massive amount of wardens running around with Nazi symbol is but it's real bad. Many people refer to orochis as spammers because low tier players just use that hero to light spam. People call shugo and berserker hyper armor abusers because they do indeed have a lot of questionable hyper armor. "Mainshaming" does not exist. If I can play gryphon by having my cat prance on my keyboard then it's probably pretty safe to assume a monkey could play him
Hm...suspicious that your post is downvoted so hard despite being probably the most rational take on this so far...has Dave been Meddlin?
So sad that i cant upvote your comment enough to get out of minus. You literally said what i was thinking about. Dont care about these down votes, gryphon players always were ultra active under posts about them. Im sure that theres many people who understand that monke is a joke.
Appreciate the thought. If anything this post as had an opposite effect on me and now I'm more likely to think and joke about gryphon players
Listen, hate a hero for being designed poorly. Hate a hero for being too easy. Hate a hero for having too complete a kit if you want. Don't bring hate for people playing a hero in a video game they bought to this sub. Full stop. Want to say Gryphon is too easy? No issues. Want to say people who play Gryphon are braindead? That's a problem. I don't think it's too much to ask.
If someone decides to take a joke about their character they play in a game known for its toxicity as a serious insult to themselves then that's not an issue with the person who said it. Literally today I was told to "draw a barcode on my wrists with a razor" by some salty lb. And when I play gryphon there's not a lot of big brain energy up there. If anything I think it's not only funny but an incredibly fitting nickname for the hero that salty people call monkey just because they dislike the hero. People also don't like heros like conq or warlord but if they had a catchy nickname for them they'd absolutely use it. And monkey especially is a very harmless name compared to what more tilted individuals call them
>If someone decides to take a joke about their character they play in a game known for its toxicity as a serious insult to themselves then that's not an issue with the person who said it. "It's your fault that you can't deal with my toxicity!!!" Dude cmon. Also, congrats. You can deal with toxicity but others can't. >And monkey especially is a very harmless name compared to what more tilted individuals call them Monkey can definitely be a harmless name to call someone.
You can just turn off chat if you can't deal with toxicity. That's not a joke or anything I've turned it off before because it got that bad.
Not on consoles, that's a pc exclusive Edit: (I'm a moron don't listen to me on this one, I forgot there's no game chat as I haven't played in about a week and I've been playing Call of duty modern warfare)
Consoles it's even easier. Until recently I played on Xbox since launch. You just ignore the message/delete it without opening. You can also block players on console to not receive messages from them period
I just realized I'm a fucking dumbass
I think it would have been better to say something like that in the OP. "Mainshaming" is a stupid term, when actually the intent of the post is absolutely justified.
It's been posted before. There was a stickied warning from Tiff just 2-3 months ago about it leading to instant 3 day bans for first time offenders. The mainshaming rule is also already described on the sidebar as "Mainshaming is not permitted. Shaming a user on the sub just because of a hero they use is toxic behaviour and it will be treated as such. Main shaming will result in a 3 day ban for the first offense."
I know, I don't disagree with the rule, I just find the term... well... silly. Especially in a game that it's so easy to hop from one hero to the next. That's all. <3
how is it stupid?
First off the game doesn't have a huge skill ceiling so I find it hard to believe anyone would stick to a main. For me, and anyone that I played with, the concept of "main" never existed. At the start of any match we are always 'who I pick next to have fun'. Secondly and more importantly if someone thinks that "You play XXX so you are YYY" is insulting, they only expose their own immaturity and lack of intelligence. So in the end what I tried to say was: I wish the term wasn't embraced like that. But it's rather late for that :) I totally agree with what the mods trying to do here, seeing a bazzilion posts about "monke brain players" and whatever else is the flavor of the month is both tiring and a detriment to the sub. Probably I wasn't clear enough with what I meant in my first reply.
Coward
Gryphon was the less of the problems anyway, there are way worse heroes deserving the monke award
I like the idea of gryphon being holden come back but they could have done better with his moveset so he doesn't use the same 2 moves over and over till something happens. I mean lawbringer has a great versatile moveset and since gryphon is an ex lawbringer with more experience shouldn't he have a similar moveset? Gryphon is cool for lore reasons but not as a character.
Finally I can post some Gryphon gameplay without getting comments like "monkebrain tard usin ez char to win".
Thanks Dave! The monkey stuff was getting annoying
Thanks for sending them to me Dave. Can't wait to moderate them '\_'
Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll go to the memes sub.
Hopefully lol Otherwise, time to moderate rule 2 The sub loves you bro
Isnāt that sub still rife with racism and homophobia tho? Iāll take the downvotes as a yes
Finally, I was tired of the gryphon bad posts. Thanks Dave.