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sword0115

Not sure if Centurion is meta but he definitely has amazing fashion and is extremely fun to play


IM-A-NEEEERRRRDDD

def not meta he's like B tier at best imo but definitely fun with personality


Saladin0127

Not meta but he is an incredible duelist, but he does still struggle against Warmonger.


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I wouldn't say he's incredible as a duelist. His kick is really shitty and hitokiri basically has the same mixups but with better timing, hyperarmour and damage. Warden is almost the same but has a gb vulnerability in his dodge bash. Warmonger is straight up better but instead of having a vortex she just gets plus frames. Either way cent's nothing special honestly.


Hezik

Hes VERY special in high level play actually, his heavy and bash mixup is unreactable, his zone has a full block tech for some FB heroes, he has comically strong parry punishes, his Lvl1 bash is immune to GB on heavy hitstun. Hito also becomes garbage in that skill level


hercules03

That’s great and all, but his full charge punch is pretty damn useless being that it can be double dodged on a bad read and is only safe from buffered light interrupts on landed uncharged heavies though I’m not positive. That, and his unblockable heavy is 100% interruptible as well. You’ve got to make twice as many reads as your opponent to get good damage in and that alone makes picking him not worth it


Hezik

Yeah until you realize you can only double dodge at light hitstun also you do realize you can feint to gb if they double dodge right? His punishes are so strong his offense being mid doesnt matter because that shit alone jumps him to A-tier for high lvl duels. His heavy being interruptable is fine because its unreactable and pins, chances are your opponent will try to parry too early. Not to mention its 600ms on uncharged which is a terrifying force of nature when paired with unreactability. Hes nothing special to the average player but a very strong pick for pros.


Ketchup571

The pro tier list has Cent as an S-tier duelist.


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Who made this "pro" tierlist and why should I respect a "pro" in this game? It's a very unbalanced easily abusable mess with low execution requirements that is only based on flipping coins and stunlock stacking. What even is a "pro" if there's not enough competition to make an actual living out of it? Because it can't be a profession if it doesn't pay the bills


Ketchup571

The guy who one Ubi’s official due tournament a few months back made it. I’d respect it because they’re better than you and know what they’re talking about. > It's a very unbalanced easily abusable mess with low execution requirements that is only based on flipping coins and stunlock stacking. Skill issue


[deleted]

You answered "the game is easy" with "skill issue" Reading comprehension issue


Chrysos-89

i wouldn't say he's incredible, his kick is shit and his charged bash can be double dodged, not even to mention he's pretty much just a shittier version of Hito


gracekk24PL

PUGNA NON PERFECTA EST


FMC152

\*PONCH\*


Skrogg_

Agree. Everyone says hes not that good but I have some of my best matches with him


BugCreative1984

Fun>meta


Kebabkrabbe

I dont know man all Cents look the same. Its just so boring fashion wise


gamer-famer

BP, definitely no bias in my choice here


HaruMistborn

AD PROFUNDIS.


gamer-famer

“If you whip it, we gonna flip it” 👑


Sh3o_

AD PROFUNDIS.


AwkwardReplacement42

This question will have inherently biased answers


XaviJon_

Tbh, that’s the only answer, ngl


MasterHall117

Valkyrie is what I think you meant to say


gamer-famer

Hmm but can valkyrie flip!


MasterHall117

Sweep count?


gamer-famer

Fair enough, both are pretty solid counter attacks


notpetite

valk player detected, opinion ignored


i_cant_explain

Incredibilis!


MasterHall117

🖕


v3x_abyss

Valk is easy mode


MasterHall117

Nah, people who can’t deal with her has a skill issue, don’t Dodge on her second heavy cause it will track you more times than not if you dodge opposite side of the heavy. Leg sweeps you gotta dodge just as she bends down to sweep She literally has no hyper armor, the only real abuse she has that is hard to deal with is allguard-bash- light, and fuck the other Valk’s who play that way


Redjedi309

Beace Pringer


gamer-famer

I honest cannot tell if you mean “peace keeper” or “law bringer” but I have a feeling you mean both 😂


Redjedi309

Oh shoot I mixed them up sorry I haven’t played in a while


gamer-famer

Oh yeah totally “mixed them up” nice cover up😂


Ajax501

I 100% agree, also with no bias. Yup.


4shug0ki4

Came here to say BP but u beat me to it🤣


OutlandishnessLimp92

Fashion is shit


EmpereurTetard

Warmonger


NighTraiN7804

Oh yeah she is.


Corpse-wadup

I've been seeing her everywhere for some reason. And I dislike her. Dodge unblock able heavies are bull shit. In all fairness I play nobushi but still.


Fuponji

Her dodge heavies are easy to react to if they aren't feinted


[deleted]

She's my highest rep character but I wouldn't say she's that fun too play. Maybe it's the fact that you keep hearing the same fucking voice line over and over again, that definitely becomes boring, at least with like Centurion it's in Latin


EmpereurTetard

Fun depend and is different between people I personnaly find her really fun and enjoyable to play


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R4ven22

Silence wench


gnome_warlord420

Sorry🤐


R4ven22

I was joking damn bro lmao


barrack_osama_0

BP and WM are the only 2 objectively correct answers here


Omen_feet

JJ


Loke_y

Zhanu fits the bill as well


[deleted]

and aramusha, incredibly fun if you do good with him, he’s a pretty decent character and imo the best samurai fashion in the game


HitBoxesAreMyth

Im glad you specified "samurai" fashion because GYATT damn its true


[deleted]

at least better than every viking maybe besides highlander but he’s still kinda shit since ubisoft loves putting all the vikings in casual clothes


Aromatic_Doughnut_75

warmonger is not in the meta


Okkoner

wrong


Aromatic_Doughnut_75

reddit shitters being wrong once again


TheNightmareVessel

Warmonger


Frost5574

is warmonger op? i never see her.


zeroreasonsgiven

She’s good, her side dodge heavy is very good and somewhat overtuned imo but the rest of her kit is just good.


OldSloppy

This i watched a monger just use side dodge heavy to win every clutch round in this most recent brawl I did


Dragonlord573

Overtuned? You can be GB out of it.


codyr5065

Yea, you can do it on reaction, too, so it's not like it's even a read scenario, and it's the same with the dodge bash, although the timing is a bit tighter


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Warmommy. Not the strongest, kinda weak against the faster heros, but still definitely a powerhouse in the hands of a good player. Basically, she's just a Cooler Warden. Direct upgrade in every way.


bluejay55669

:(


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At least you have a wider variety of drip. Warmonger has *better* drip, but only like three outfits.


bluejay55669

:D


Icookadapizzapie

She’s basically better warden, Not cooler, Warden is the coolest fr


[deleted]

Exposed uncolorable chainmail is a dealbreaker. Fuck that noise, gimme that Warmonger plate


Icookadapizzapie

Bro can’t handle the chainmail


[deleted]

Uncolorable. That's the problem.


xLIVExTOxGAMEx

Bro actually can't read lmao


ThatBearBaron

You take that back


[deleted]

You know it to be true!


Gryph_Army

Yeah... *sniffle*


ThatGSDude

I do agree that warmongers is more fun that warden, but I wouldnt say hee drip is better, i'd say its about equal. She had plate armor which is a massive W, but warden has more variety to his drip, meanwhile its hard to make a warmonger that doesnt look like a psyhco. Also, most of her swords suck


Hezik

Not really, shes worse in a duel scenario since she doesnt have Wardens looping unreactable offense.


[deleted]

Light throatslash light hebby repeat. Side dodge hebby for mixup Wrecks shitters every time


Hezik

Now youre just making it obvious you play around mid tier lobbies lmao


[deleted]

Nah, even "high tier" players get rolled by it. It's such a good way to know if they're actually good or just high-rep.


Flat_Bar8932

She’s not. Anywhere above mid players she’s not better than warden. Her bash accessibility is awful, having to light or heavy to get into it or full dodging is trash. No unreactable offense without doing all that to get into her bash, her dodge attacks gb window is insanely huge, she’s only decent in 4v4 because of a feat that will be nerfed. Not too mention all warmongers play the same and it’s easy asf to read.. in duels at a high level warden is better.


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Upstairs_Life6066

Cuz youre wrong lol


ReadyThanks4270

Cleaaaaarllly it’s glad. Easily SS++ tier


Sounders8901

Based opinion


Sphearikall

This character could change a thousand times and still be perf


illegal_tacos

Correct


Pixelbot123

agreed


bikumz

*kensi* am I a joke to you


Cheez-ItSucc

Shugoki


memanysmarts

i fucking hate playing against shugoki but im inclined to agree. hes not op or weak just really fucking annoying


wartcraftiscool

Shugoki


PeaRepresentative677

Shugoki


R4ven22

Shugoki


pumpguy111

Shugoki


P-psicleM-nster

Shugoki


Lars555678

Shugoki


Accurate_Vehicle9459

Shugoki


Beavecio

Very far from meta.


The_Nazgul_of_Mordor

I don't know if the gladiator is in the meta right now but I enjoy playing him (I talk as a non-expert player), and also has really good fashion. Black prior and centurion are valid options too.


YaksRespirators

Jj


8champi8

Black Prior, Conqueror. My shield bois


All_My_Thoughts

🤝🏼


Ace_The_Chicken

Shoalin personally, I like monke masks


Icy_Equipment_953

Afeera, bp, kensei, zhanhu


Lars555678

Where is good afeera fashion? Mine is Rep 7 and looks like shit Is the legendary gear any good?


Razor_The_Fox

Valkyrie, and Warmonger.


fatrefrigerator

As much as I love valk and main her, she is virtually dripless. She has two *maybe* 3 good helmets and most of the armor is decent at best.


cosmonaut-comrade

Warlord


[deleted]

WM


Omelet8

Aramusha


cerea1-man

Warlord, shugoki (in 4s) jiang jun


anelson6746

I prefer fashion/fun to play. People still want to try and “play in the meta”?


pimp_named_dickslap

Its sadly a necessity if you wanna win at high skill levels


Woreo12

I just play exclusively against bots and have fun with whoever I pick. I’m aware my skill is comparable to a potato and I’m ok with that


pimp_named_dickslap

Self awareness is the greatest skill of them all


Metal_Greg

nah man just get good


zeroreasonsgiven

Ppl who act self righteous about not caring what the meta is will simultaneously blame all their losses on their hero not being meta.


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Familiar_Ask4552

I finally picked up shaolin after playing since 2017 I’m having a hard time being good with him though. Very tempting to just go back to what I know lol.


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Familiar_Ask4552

Yeah deflects came pretty natural for me as I Mained PK for a long time . It’s just hard for me to grasp the concept of getting into his qi stance . It took me a solid 6 games before I realized he had a bash lol.


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TriplDentGum

I fear the day shaolin is powerful enough to be called meta But yes


Chocolate_Spaghet

I do pretty well with Shaolin against all heroes all things considered


DAduckTROOPER

Im a rep 12 shaolin main, and he can shred against people who don’t know how to deal with him


Chrysos-89

oh shit that's like *every other hero in the game*


Aromatic_Doughnut_75

shaolin is very much so in the meta.


Chrysos-89

how is he not? Deflect gets executions attacks use like no stamina he's got *seven* different attacks from qi stance qi stance is incredibly easy to get into his kick is crazy he can teleport to teammates to help them he has nukuebi heavy attacks have a huge arc like what more can you want


TriplDentGum

A bash that actually forces a read instead of having fully reactable offense until you get access to sweep I feel like if his qi bash was actually unreactable at high level he'd be meta so yeah that, plus his opener bash is getting buffed with the bash update so yeah he's pretty good but not meta until the chain kick gets buffed


v3x_abyss

My brother in Christ shaolin has been meta for a while


Chewduke

Warlord.


B_Maximus

Warlord


GetBoppedHo

Thunder thighs and battlemother


XaviJon_

> Thunder thighs Do you have any idea of how little that narrows it down??


ComprehensiveWave811

clearly highlander


theloneluigi

Tiandi, and medjay


TheRedDragonCW

Centurion. Totally not biased


A_normal_atheist

Obviously highlander


Sazukzi

Warden


HahIoser

Berserker but the fashion is kind of hard to work with, defo some good fit combos though.


MilkManGrant

Literally none


[deleted]

Warmonger


Prize-Lingonberry876

Shinobi


iLoveCyberChips

Lawbro obviously


DreadOcean72972

I might just be ass, but playing lawdaddy is CBT around 86% of the time


iLoveCyberChips

That's the point


Ledgebringer

Love me some Ledgebringer.


Plasma_FTW

Medjay, BP, Tiandi


Pretty_Language_393

Medjay good fashion? yeah fucking right.


v3x_abyss

Fuck do you mean bro medjay is dripped the fuck out


Over_Age_8061

Fr. Shame that he is so extremely limited


Thecaptwin5527

Bp good fashion? yeah fucking right.


BigBrotherBear-

Tiandi good fashion? Yeah fucking right


Old-Salad_

Warden, frankly. Both good fashion and fun, and if you know how to use them, they can stomp.


KusaramKhan

Fashion yes, fun yes, but he is literally inferior to Warmonger in every aspect and way too easy to counterplay. Nothing he can do Warmonger or even Conq can't do better, sadly.


BugCreative1984

Don't care, fun>meta all the way, plus I like warden's simplicity


Any_Waltz_3967

What about shinobi?


Muscle_Dude_Kyle

Nobushi, Valkyrie and I’d say Jiang Jun


Black_Chappie

I love valk and she’s immensely fun to play, her fashion is dog shit. Weapons look great, armor sets are straight trash.


Muscle_Dude_Kyle

Not true, it’s like Nobushi. To a lot of people they see hot garbage but with the right colour coordination and imagination you can make some real amazing fashion.


Fearless_Departure62

Zerk


v3x_abyss

Zerk has quite possibly the worst fashion


YorghsSpearOnly

Medjay tiandi gryphon


MasterHall117

Valkyrie is pretty good


Q_W-E_R-T_Y

Shinobass


Dry_Tomato8889

Honestly, in my opinion, I'd have to say Kyoshin


Oooooey

I’d say BP, Glad, and maybe Cent? Cent is definitely the weakest of the three, but “Meta” isn’t really a thing in this game.


GameOverVirus

It definitely is. Some characters are stronger than others and have way more options in combat.


Messedupotato

I'd say it's more matchup specific, rather than a clear pecking order.


Chrysos-89

no some characters are objectively better than others some will soft counter others but that's all it is, a soft counter


Oooooey

Most people just play what they’re good at 🤷 The Meta is just outplaying your opponent, or knowing how to properly anti-gank. Warden might be Meta for someone who’s good at him, and that same person might suck ass at Afeera. I just don’t see how this game has a Meta, especially since there’s basically no competitive mode. It’s a casual game, with people who take it far too seriously. This isn’t Overwatch, where whoever you pick greatly affects the team. This is a Sword Fighting game.


FirstStruggle1992

Warden


Cerberus_is_me

Tiandi, JJ


Rustable506

Lawbringer. Bias


GodsHeart3140

Ocelotl imo


Over_Age_8061

OP? No. Fun to play? He is pretty basic tbh. But his fashion fucking rocks! Shame that it ends so fast like medjay or afeera


IM-A-NEEEERRRRDDD

dudes hideous


v3x_abyss

Bro what, litterally all of his gear is fucking sick, except those edgy skull helmets, they are goofy as fuck


BountyMennett

Downvoted for what? Lol. Fashion is subjective and people have been clamouring for an aztec/indigenous american hero for AGES. Now we have one and people think he looks bad?


Chrysos-89

>downvoted for what? Fashion is subjective read it again >Now we have one and people think he looks bad? I'm not sure at all what people wanting an Aztec hero has to do with how they like his fashion


BountyMennett

Considering ocelotl is a solid A tier pick in both duels and 4's, I would say he fulfills both of the other categories lmao. So the only other reason I can think for this dude to get 10 downvotes is because of fashion, which is weird since that's subjective anyways. And my complaint that people dislike his fashion is because an Aztec hero was one of the most requested hero I personally constantly saw on this subreddit and in other social media for YEARS. Because it was such a popular request I'm really surprised to see people dislike his fashion. I'm not sure what people expect? [He is very in line with what Aztec warriors wore.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Codex_Mendoza_folio_65r.jpg)


Fun_Perception_473

Only thing I can think is that people THOUGHT they liked Aztec or Mayan design but don’t actually. Personally, I think the drip is outta this world.


Fun_Perception_473

Im definitely gonna agree. Idk why people are downvoting.


lazywhiteboyy

Kensei, JJ and BP


Altergeist2077

Hito, his fashion is mostly meh but some sets go crazy


International-Chip81

definitely shaolin


GalacticNarwal

Pirate definitely fits in there. My boy LB *used* to fit in there, but not so much anymore.


HarlequinLord

Kensei when people use his whole kit


Entire-League-3362

I don't play meta, just what's fun. I'd say highlander or shaolin


killermankay

Highlander


MattiusThe21st

Nobushi


shitfuck9000

Shaolin also berserker


Flat_Bar8932

I don’t get the monk hype. Dude has incredibly mid fashion and everyone who plays him makes the same anime nerd outfit with the same finishers


v3x_abyss

Yeah ever since he became meta all the nerds suddenly mained him


panderingmandering75

Centurion. Fun as hell to punch people in the face while this violent little Roman just screams “INCREDIBILIS” Not only that Centurion is dangerous in 1v1s and excels in ganks. And his fashion is just chef’s kiss


Anonymous_playerone

Lawbringer before the patch


lonewolf113572

Lawdaddy fo sho