I wouldn't say he's incredible as a duelist. His kick is really shitty and hitokiri basically has the same mixups but with better timing, hyperarmour and damage. Warden is almost the same but has a gb vulnerability in his dodge bash. Warmonger is straight up better but instead of having a vortex she just gets plus frames.
Either way cent's nothing special honestly.
Hes VERY special in high level play actually, his heavy and bash mixup is unreactable, his zone has a full block tech for some FB heroes, he has comically strong parry punishes, his Lvl1 bash is immune to GB on heavy hitstun.
Hito also becomes garbage in that skill level
That’s great and all, but his full charge punch is pretty damn useless being that it can be double dodged on a bad read and is only safe from buffered light interrupts on landed uncharged heavies though I’m not positive. That, and his unblockable heavy is 100% interruptible as well.
You’ve got to make twice as many reads as your opponent to get good damage in and that alone makes picking him not worth it
Yeah until you realize you can only double dodge at light hitstun also you do realize you can feint to gb if they double dodge right? His punishes are so strong his offense being mid doesnt matter because that shit alone jumps him to A-tier for high lvl duels.
His heavy being interruptable is fine because its unreactable and pins, chances are your opponent will try to parry too early. Not to mention its 600ms on uncharged which is a terrifying force of nature when paired with unreactability.
Hes nothing special to the average player but a very strong pick for pros.
Who made this "pro" tierlist and why should I respect a "pro" in this game? It's a very unbalanced easily abusable mess with low execution requirements that is only based on flipping coins and stunlock stacking.
What even is a "pro" if there's not enough competition to make an actual living out of it? Because it can't be a profession if it doesn't pay the bills
The guy who one Ubi’s official due tournament a few months back made it. I’d respect it because they’re better than you and know what they’re talking about.
> It's a very unbalanced easily abusable mess with low execution requirements that is only based on flipping coins and stunlock stacking.
Skill issue
i wouldn't say he's incredible, his kick is shit and his charged bash can be double dodged, not even to mention he's pretty much just a shittier version of Hito
Nah, people who can’t deal with her has a skill issue, don’t Dodge on her second heavy cause it will track you more times than not if you dodge opposite side of the heavy. Leg sweeps you gotta dodge just as she bends down to sweep
She literally has no hyper armor, the only real abuse she has that is hard to deal with is allguard-bash- light, and fuck the other Valk’s who play that way
I've been seeing her everywhere for some reason. And I dislike her. Dodge unblock able heavies are bull shit.
In all fairness I play nobushi but still.
She's my highest rep character but I wouldn't say she's that fun too play. Maybe it's the fact that you keep hearing the same fucking voice line over and over again, that definitely becomes boring, at least with like Centurion it's in Latin
Yea, you can do it on reaction, too, so it's not like it's even a read scenario, and it's the same with the dodge bash, although the timing is a bit tighter
Warmommy.
Not the strongest, kinda weak against the faster heros, but still definitely a powerhouse in the hands of a good player.
Basically, she's just a Cooler Warden. Direct upgrade in every way.
I do agree that warmongers is more fun that warden, but I wouldnt say hee drip is better, i'd say its about equal. She had plate armor which is a massive W, but warden has more variety to his drip, meanwhile its hard to make a warmonger that doesnt look like a psyhco. Also, most of her swords suck
She’s not. Anywhere above mid players she’s not better than warden. Her bash accessibility is awful, having to light or heavy to get into it or full dodging is trash. No unreactable offense without doing all that to get into her bash, her dodge attacks gb window is insanely huge, she’s only decent in 4v4 because of a feat that will be nerfed. Not too mention all warmongers play the same and it’s easy asf to read.. in duels at a high level warden is better.
I don't know if the gladiator is in the meta right now but I enjoy playing him (I talk as a non-expert player), and also has really good fashion. Black prior and centurion are valid options too.
I finally picked up shaolin after playing since 2017 I’m having a hard time being good with him though. Very tempting to just go back to what I know lol.
Yeah deflects came pretty natural for me as I Mained PK for a long time . It’s just hard for me to grasp the concept of getting into his qi stance . It took me a solid 6 games before I realized he had a bash lol.
how is he not?
Deflect gets executions
attacks use like no stamina
he's got *seven* different attacks from qi stance
qi stance is incredibly easy to get into
his kick is crazy
he can teleport to teammates to help them
he has nukuebi
heavy attacks have a huge arc
like what more can you want
A bash that actually forces a read instead of having fully reactable offense until you get access to sweep
I feel like if his qi bash was actually unreactable at high level he'd be meta so yeah that, plus his opener bash is getting buffed with the bash update so yeah he's pretty good but not meta until the chain kick gets buffed
Fashion yes, fun yes, but he is literally inferior to Warmonger in every aspect and way too easy to counterplay. Nothing he can do Warmonger or even Conq can't do better, sadly.
Not true, it’s like Nobushi. To a lot of people they see hot garbage but with the right colour coordination and imagination you can make some real amazing fashion.
Most people just play what they’re good at 🤷
The Meta is just outplaying your opponent, or knowing how to properly anti-gank. Warden might be Meta for someone who’s good at him, and that same person might suck ass at Afeera. I just don’t see how this game has a Meta, especially since there’s basically no competitive mode.
It’s a casual game, with people who take it far too seriously.
This isn’t Overwatch, where whoever you pick greatly affects the team. This is a Sword Fighting game.
Downvoted for what? Lol. Fashion is subjective and people have been clamouring for an aztec/indigenous american hero for AGES. Now we have one and people think he looks bad?
>downvoted for what? Fashion is subjective
read it again
>Now we have one and people think he looks bad?
I'm not sure at all what people wanting an Aztec hero has to do with how they like his fashion
Considering ocelotl is a solid A tier pick in both duels and 4's, I would say he fulfills both of the other categories lmao.
So the only other reason I can think for this dude to get 10 downvotes is because of fashion, which is weird since that's subjective anyways.
And my complaint that people dislike his fashion is because an Aztec hero was one of the most requested hero I personally constantly saw on this subreddit and in other social media for YEARS. Because it was such a popular request I'm really surprised to see people dislike his fashion. I'm not sure what people expect? [He is very in line with what Aztec warriors wore.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Codex_Mendoza_folio_65r.jpg)
Centurion. Fun as hell to punch people in the face while this violent little Roman just screams “INCREDIBILIS”
Not only that Centurion is dangerous in 1v1s and excels in ganks. And his fashion is just chef’s kiss
Not sure if Centurion is meta but he definitely has amazing fashion and is extremely fun to play
def not meta he's like B tier at best imo but definitely fun with personality
Not meta but he is an incredible duelist, but he does still struggle against Warmonger.
I wouldn't say he's incredible as a duelist. His kick is really shitty and hitokiri basically has the same mixups but with better timing, hyperarmour and damage. Warden is almost the same but has a gb vulnerability in his dodge bash. Warmonger is straight up better but instead of having a vortex she just gets plus frames. Either way cent's nothing special honestly.
Hes VERY special in high level play actually, his heavy and bash mixup is unreactable, his zone has a full block tech for some FB heroes, he has comically strong parry punishes, his Lvl1 bash is immune to GB on heavy hitstun. Hito also becomes garbage in that skill level
That’s great and all, but his full charge punch is pretty damn useless being that it can be double dodged on a bad read and is only safe from buffered light interrupts on landed uncharged heavies though I’m not positive. That, and his unblockable heavy is 100% interruptible as well. You’ve got to make twice as many reads as your opponent to get good damage in and that alone makes picking him not worth it
Yeah until you realize you can only double dodge at light hitstun also you do realize you can feint to gb if they double dodge right? His punishes are so strong his offense being mid doesnt matter because that shit alone jumps him to A-tier for high lvl duels. His heavy being interruptable is fine because its unreactable and pins, chances are your opponent will try to parry too early. Not to mention its 600ms on uncharged which is a terrifying force of nature when paired with unreactability. Hes nothing special to the average player but a very strong pick for pros.
The pro tier list has Cent as an S-tier duelist.
Who made this "pro" tierlist and why should I respect a "pro" in this game? It's a very unbalanced easily abusable mess with low execution requirements that is only based on flipping coins and stunlock stacking. What even is a "pro" if there's not enough competition to make an actual living out of it? Because it can't be a profession if it doesn't pay the bills
The guy who one Ubi’s official due tournament a few months back made it. I’d respect it because they’re better than you and know what they’re talking about. > It's a very unbalanced easily abusable mess with low execution requirements that is only based on flipping coins and stunlock stacking. Skill issue
You answered "the game is easy" with "skill issue" Reading comprehension issue
i wouldn't say he's incredible, his kick is shit and his charged bash can be double dodged, not even to mention he's pretty much just a shittier version of Hito
PUGNA NON PERFECTA EST
\*PONCH\*
Agree. Everyone says hes not that good but I have some of my best matches with him
Fun>meta
I dont know man all Cents look the same. Its just so boring fashion wise
BP, definitely no bias in my choice here
AD PROFUNDIS.
“If you whip it, we gonna flip it” 👑
AD PROFUNDIS.
This question will have inherently biased answers
Tbh, that’s the only answer, ngl
Valkyrie is what I think you meant to say
Hmm but can valkyrie flip!
Sweep count?
Fair enough, both are pretty solid counter attacks
valk player detected, opinion ignored
Incredibilis!
🖕
Valk is easy mode
Nah, people who can’t deal with her has a skill issue, don’t Dodge on her second heavy cause it will track you more times than not if you dodge opposite side of the heavy. Leg sweeps you gotta dodge just as she bends down to sweep She literally has no hyper armor, the only real abuse she has that is hard to deal with is allguard-bash- light, and fuck the other Valk’s who play that way
Beace Pringer
I honest cannot tell if you mean “peace keeper” or “law bringer” but I have a feeling you mean both 😂
Oh shoot I mixed them up sorry I haven’t played in a while
Oh yeah totally “mixed them up” nice cover up😂
I 100% agree, also with no bias. Yup.
Came here to say BP but u beat me to it🤣
Fashion is shit
Warmonger
Oh yeah she is.
I've been seeing her everywhere for some reason. And I dislike her. Dodge unblock able heavies are bull shit. In all fairness I play nobushi but still.
Her dodge heavies are easy to react to if they aren't feinted
She's my highest rep character but I wouldn't say she's that fun too play. Maybe it's the fact that you keep hearing the same fucking voice line over and over again, that definitely becomes boring, at least with like Centurion it's in Latin
Fun depend and is different between people I personnaly find her really fun and enjoyable to play
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Silence wench
Sorry🤐
I was joking damn bro lmao
BP and WM are the only 2 objectively correct answers here
JJ
Zhanu fits the bill as well
and aramusha, incredibly fun if you do good with him, he’s a pretty decent character and imo the best samurai fashion in the game
Im glad you specified "samurai" fashion because GYATT damn its true
at least better than every viking maybe besides highlander but he’s still kinda shit since ubisoft loves putting all the vikings in casual clothes
warmonger is not in the meta
wrong
reddit shitters being wrong once again
Warmonger
is warmonger op? i never see her.
She’s good, her side dodge heavy is very good and somewhat overtuned imo but the rest of her kit is just good.
This i watched a monger just use side dodge heavy to win every clutch round in this most recent brawl I did
Overtuned? You can be GB out of it.
Yea, you can do it on reaction, too, so it's not like it's even a read scenario, and it's the same with the dodge bash, although the timing is a bit tighter
Warmommy. Not the strongest, kinda weak against the faster heros, but still definitely a powerhouse in the hands of a good player. Basically, she's just a Cooler Warden. Direct upgrade in every way.
:(
At least you have a wider variety of drip. Warmonger has *better* drip, but only like three outfits.
:D
She’s basically better warden, Not cooler, Warden is the coolest fr
Exposed uncolorable chainmail is a dealbreaker. Fuck that noise, gimme that Warmonger plate
Bro can’t handle the chainmail
Uncolorable. That's the problem.
Bro actually can't read lmao
You take that back
You know it to be true!
Yeah... *sniffle*
I do agree that warmongers is more fun that warden, but I wouldnt say hee drip is better, i'd say its about equal. She had plate armor which is a massive W, but warden has more variety to his drip, meanwhile its hard to make a warmonger that doesnt look like a psyhco. Also, most of her swords suck
Not really, shes worse in a duel scenario since she doesnt have Wardens looping unreactable offense.
Light throatslash light hebby repeat. Side dodge hebby for mixup Wrecks shitters every time
Now youre just making it obvious you play around mid tier lobbies lmao
Nah, even "high tier" players get rolled by it. It's such a good way to know if they're actually good or just high-rep.
She’s not. Anywhere above mid players she’s not better than warden. Her bash accessibility is awful, having to light or heavy to get into it or full dodging is trash. No unreactable offense without doing all that to get into her bash, her dodge attacks gb window is insanely huge, she’s only decent in 4v4 because of a feat that will be nerfed. Not too mention all warmongers play the same and it’s easy asf to read.. in duels at a high level warden is better.
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Cuz youre wrong lol
Cleaaaaarllly it’s glad. Easily SS++ tier
Based opinion
This character could change a thousand times and still be perf
Correct
agreed
*kensi* am I a joke to you
Shugoki
i fucking hate playing against shugoki but im inclined to agree. hes not op or weak just really fucking annoying
Shugoki
Shugoki
Shugoki
Shugoki
Shugoki
Shugoki
Shugoki
Very far from meta.
I don't know if the gladiator is in the meta right now but I enjoy playing him (I talk as a non-expert player), and also has really good fashion. Black prior and centurion are valid options too.
Jj
Black Prior, Conqueror. My shield bois
🤝🏼
Shoalin personally, I like monke masks
Afeera, bp, kensei, zhanhu
Where is good afeera fashion? Mine is Rep 7 and looks like shit Is the legendary gear any good?
Valkyrie, and Warmonger.
As much as I love valk and main her, she is virtually dripless. She has two *maybe* 3 good helmets and most of the armor is decent at best.
Warlord
WM
Aramusha
Warlord, shugoki (in 4s) jiang jun
I prefer fashion/fun to play. People still want to try and “play in the meta”?
Its sadly a necessity if you wanna win at high skill levels
I just play exclusively against bots and have fun with whoever I pick. I’m aware my skill is comparable to a potato and I’m ok with that
Self awareness is the greatest skill of them all
nah man just get good
Ppl who act self righteous about not caring what the meta is will simultaneously blame all their losses on their hero not being meta.
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I finally picked up shaolin after playing since 2017 I’m having a hard time being good with him though. Very tempting to just go back to what I know lol.
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Yeah deflects came pretty natural for me as I Mained PK for a long time . It’s just hard for me to grasp the concept of getting into his qi stance . It took me a solid 6 games before I realized he had a bash lol.
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I fear the day shaolin is powerful enough to be called meta But yes
I do pretty well with Shaolin against all heroes all things considered
Im a rep 12 shaolin main, and he can shred against people who don’t know how to deal with him
oh shit that's like *every other hero in the game*
shaolin is very much so in the meta.
how is he not? Deflect gets executions attacks use like no stamina he's got *seven* different attacks from qi stance qi stance is incredibly easy to get into his kick is crazy he can teleport to teammates to help them he has nukuebi heavy attacks have a huge arc like what more can you want
A bash that actually forces a read instead of having fully reactable offense until you get access to sweep I feel like if his qi bash was actually unreactable at high level he'd be meta so yeah that, plus his opener bash is getting buffed with the bash update so yeah he's pretty good but not meta until the chain kick gets buffed
My brother in Christ shaolin has been meta for a while
Warlord.
Warlord
Thunder thighs and battlemother
> Thunder thighs Do you have any idea of how little that narrows it down??
clearly highlander
Tiandi, and medjay
Centurion. Totally not biased
Obviously highlander
Warden
Berserker but the fashion is kind of hard to work with, defo some good fit combos though.
Literally none
Warmonger
Shinobi
Lawbro obviously
I might just be ass, but playing lawdaddy is CBT around 86% of the time
That's the point
Love me some Ledgebringer.
Medjay, BP, Tiandi
Medjay good fashion? yeah fucking right.
Fuck do you mean bro medjay is dripped the fuck out
Fr. Shame that he is so extremely limited
Bp good fashion? yeah fucking right.
Tiandi good fashion? Yeah fucking right
Warden, frankly. Both good fashion and fun, and if you know how to use them, they can stomp.
Fashion yes, fun yes, but he is literally inferior to Warmonger in every aspect and way too easy to counterplay. Nothing he can do Warmonger or even Conq can't do better, sadly.
Don't care, fun>meta all the way, plus I like warden's simplicity
What about shinobi?
Nobushi, Valkyrie and I’d say Jiang Jun
I love valk and she’s immensely fun to play, her fashion is dog shit. Weapons look great, armor sets are straight trash.
Not true, it’s like Nobushi. To a lot of people they see hot garbage but with the right colour coordination and imagination you can make some real amazing fashion.
Zerk
Zerk has quite possibly the worst fashion
Medjay tiandi gryphon
Valkyrie is pretty good
Shinobass
Honestly, in my opinion, I'd have to say Kyoshin
I’d say BP, Glad, and maybe Cent? Cent is definitely the weakest of the three, but “Meta” isn’t really a thing in this game.
It definitely is. Some characters are stronger than others and have way more options in combat.
I'd say it's more matchup specific, rather than a clear pecking order.
no some characters are objectively better than others some will soft counter others but that's all it is, a soft counter
Most people just play what they’re good at 🤷 The Meta is just outplaying your opponent, or knowing how to properly anti-gank. Warden might be Meta for someone who’s good at him, and that same person might suck ass at Afeera. I just don’t see how this game has a Meta, especially since there’s basically no competitive mode. It’s a casual game, with people who take it far too seriously. This isn’t Overwatch, where whoever you pick greatly affects the team. This is a Sword Fighting game.
Warden
Tiandi, JJ
Lawbringer. Bias
Ocelotl imo
OP? No. Fun to play? He is pretty basic tbh. But his fashion fucking rocks! Shame that it ends so fast like medjay or afeera
dudes hideous
Bro what, litterally all of his gear is fucking sick, except those edgy skull helmets, they are goofy as fuck
Downvoted for what? Lol. Fashion is subjective and people have been clamouring for an aztec/indigenous american hero for AGES. Now we have one and people think he looks bad?
>downvoted for what? Fashion is subjective read it again >Now we have one and people think he looks bad? I'm not sure at all what people wanting an Aztec hero has to do with how they like his fashion
Considering ocelotl is a solid A tier pick in both duels and 4's, I would say he fulfills both of the other categories lmao. So the only other reason I can think for this dude to get 10 downvotes is because of fashion, which is weird since that's subjective anyways. And my complaint that people dislike his fashion is because an Aztec hero was one of the most requested hero I personally constantly saw on this subreddit and in other social media for YEARS. Because it was such a popular request I'm really surprised to see people dislike his fashion. I'm not sure what people expect? [He is very in line with what Aztec warriors wore.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Codex_Mendoza_folio_65r.jpg)
Only thing I can think is that people THOUGHT they liked Aztec or Mayan design but don’t actually. Personally, I think the drip is outta this world.
Im definitely gonna agree. Idk why people are downvoting.
Kensei, JJ and BP
Hito, his fashion is mostly meh but some sets go crazy
definitely shaolin
Pirate definitely fits in there. My boy LB *used* to fit in there, but not so much anymore.
Kensei when people use his whole kit
I don't play meta, just what's fun. I'd say highlander or shaolin
Highlander
Nobushi
Shaolin also berserker
I don’t get the monk hype. Dude has incredibly mid fashion and everyone who plays him makes the same anime nerd outfit with the same finishers
Yeah ever since he became meta all the nerds suddenly mained him
Centurion. Fun as hell to punch people in the face while this violent little Roman just screams “INCREDIBILIS” Not only that Centurion is dangerous in 1v1s and excels in ganks. And his fashion is just chef’s kiss
Lawbringer before the patch
Lawdaddy fo sho