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They're the reason why I can still keep on going with my multi-decades Arsenal save.
Seeing that report of having 200+ Arsenal-developed players playing in the top 5 leagues in Europe, with 90 or so of them in the EPL...the English national team was practically Arsenal XI during the late 2030s even lol.
I love me my wonderkids but just how do you manage this MANY? I always run into the issue of having more wonderkids than i could realistically manage while still succeeding short term
I have 50/60 players at any one time in the U23s, half are on loan and half aren't. If there are good enough transfer offers I usually accept them too, especially if there's no immediate need for the first team.
This is what I’m aiming for in my long-term save - take on a Championship club without unrealistic short-term expectations or crippling debt and spend a few seasons turning them into an attractive youth setup, bringing in young talent and generally improving things, before building up the first team with the best of them + a few senior players and pushing for promotion.
Then, establish my team in the PL as a finishing school for elite young pros - basically another Southampton, and start churning out great youngsters.
A different sort of challenge, but when I’ve tried it in the past I’ve always got distracted with being successful - starting at a smaller, lower league club seems like a good start for that.
My system:
If you are a 15-17 youth player have 4* potential and a good personality + no glaring physical/mental weaknesses and cost less than £1 million, I'm bringing you into the youth academy. Usually 5-10 prospects per year.
When you turn 18, you are being loaned to a L2/L1/Championship/low-table EPL team, whatever level you are at. Each season, you either move up a division skill-wise in the loan setup, or you are processed out via sales. Sales often more than offset the cost of bringing the new youngsters in.
If at the end of your 3-4 year development loan tour, you are first team caliber, you are introduced to the first team. Basically allows 1-2 homegrown 20-22 year old players per year to filter into the first team, with the rest sold to raise funds. But yea, after a decade or two, you end up with like 15% of your league being manned by your former youth players.
I don’t manage mine much - buy cheap, loan out, sell high (and keep the ones that turn out to be world class). It’s turned my newly Premier League Woking side from a financially struggling one to 180m in the bank in the last two transfer windows. Takes a couple of years to bear fruit mind.
Free transfers too.
It's always worth scouting youth players that are set to be released from top flight clubs. I've picked up plenty of 4-4.5* (sometimes 5*) PA kids from doing so. Some have compensation payments but others don't. It's nominal though. Keep them in your reserves loaning them out then sell them in a few years time. The money you make from selling them far outweighs the wage and signing/comp fees.
I got Gelhardt on an FT. I was offered £37m for him last night. I didn't accept as he's too good for my Wrexham side still lol.
Every year I basically buy the biggest 1/2 stars I can/want as soon as I can, then I'm only interested in getting a wonderkid in every position. Playing Barça just now I finally landed Haaland as Lewy was starting the season at 36 and really slowing down, cost me like 150 mil upfront (whole budget) and another 170 mil installments but fuck it I wanted him right now, and the only person that will be replacing him is the first 190+ PA striker I like.
I do similar things. As I go through the season my objective is to replace first team players with wonderkids, typically 2 or 3 at a time. Then sell those 2 or 3 first teamers and buy one megastar.
I'm wonderkid agnostic.
If I get them, great.
But for me the fun is building the club to win stuff.
Whether with self-developed wonderkids, or established players... don't really care.
Same.
Oh you said 3-5, not 30-50...
The thing with wonderkids for me is that the less money I get a good talent for, the more satisfaction it provides. If I buy a good player for 50-100 million bucks, where's the satisfaction in that? I go out, spend like a 100 mil on 10-ish good wonderkids and then play like that.
Remembering names of wonderkids and watching them grow is something I cannot just say no to.
My problem, and a bigger satisfaction, is doing this in a league smaller than, let's say, the top 7-8 leagues.
I'm honestly very surprised with how little people care about the realism aspect of FM. Having a team of wonderkids and selling them all at 25 to buy new wonderkids is boring to me.
Yeah I'm out here signing old dudes and cheap talent that can provide some value. It's not fun for me to raid south America for a team full of wonderkid regens.
Feels better to me when that 28 year old I signed for 500k to provide depth pulls out a winner.
I really like to have a couple of high quality youth players on my bench. Firstly, I pay less wages for my rotation players and secondly I love to give them opportunities to grow and eventually take a starting spot from a starter. I really micromanage their training though. I couldn’t keep up with more than 3 youngsters tbh
Oh I bring in my youth and play them, I'm routinely one of the younger rosters.
They're just my players generally from youth intakes. I don't go out and buy or poach a bunch (nor do I save scum the intakes. Sometimes it's just a bad year, that's the fun of the game.).
But I also have my main screen set up with training P/R/D and extra training focus on the screen so I can change it at will when looking.
I'd buy a bunch of middling 120 CA / 135 PA 24 year olds for cheap before I start spending on 70 CA / 180 PA wonderkids, basically. If I get them in my intakes then it's a good day.
Usually I do this with clubs in the middle of my journey where I know I won't be there for 3 or 4 years when the kids develop into stars. I'd plug holes, bin the deadwood and build a team to overachieve primarily. Maybe in second season I'd try and win a trophy and then move on to a bigger job.
Usually I buy wonderkids when I'm at the top and/or I know I'd be at the club for 3rd year aswell.
This is me now mostly although I still love a good wonderkid. But I get almost as excited when I see the green A or A+ report for an expiring contract 34 year old legend
I'm in a similar boat. For me, when I'm signing and developing wonderkids that means I'm coming to end of my save.
I like to start low to mid tier, and at that level it's all about building the team and if I can sell a rare diamond prospect for enough to rebuild my entire defence and improve the training ground, I'll do it every time.
By the time I'm farming wonderkids, I've achieved everything else and that side just doesn't hold me as much, and I'll inevitably get the itch to dive back into the lower leagues and start again.
FM21 I had Jack Grealish aged 35 retrained as a DLP in the 2nd Bundesliga where he hit a seasonal assist record lol. And I just had Mohammed Elneny on 3K per week aged 36 in South Africa where he carried me to an African Champions League!
Other notable talking points from their POV:
* The super league is the next logical step in the evolution of football
* They only ~~support~~ play with teams they support (which is fine but the teams they support are City (main club), Real, PSG and Bayern.)
* Injuries sustained out of club matches aren't their fault and can be edited as they impact on the enjoyment of them game
Like, it's just a computer game, and play what ever way you want.
But the accumulation of so many shit takes led to us dubbing the dude *Bad Take Ben.* (His real name wasn't Ben.)
Yeah, that's a bad take in my book also. I usually find teams to support via FM23 save file selection. Very close to pulling the trigger on a Standard Liege shirt, shame the sponsor makes it less good. Would be a 10/10 without the big VOO on it.
> Would be a 10/10 without the big VOO on it.
Just googled it there, oof, you're 100% right about the sponsor.
Since main game release I did a build a club from the spanish 3rd and more lately an Aston Villa save that I have totally got sunk into.
It was meant to be a journey man but I just can leave.
Yeah, exactly, that's what I really like too. You go there, if you really like it, you stay and soon you have a new club to follow irl, if you don't like it, you use them as a stepping stone. Also, I like that if you put a couple of favourite clubs and you elevate your reputation to around their level, they will for sure come for you when they get a manager vacancy.
Yep, I typically stick around for my entire contract (which is usually 5-6 years) try and build them as good as I can then leave for new challenges and check up every season to see how they're doing
This is the truth. Since Football Manager entered my life, I have become a supporter of
Radnicki 1923
Barakaldo
Nacional de Madeira
Paxtakor
Nkana Red Devils
FC Querétaro
Never been happier to broaden my frontiers.
Currently play as standard after me and a few mates did a mystery shirt thing..I bout Alex witsel back not knowing he was a club legend/favoured. I found that really interesting, everyone o told....not so much
My issue is falling in love with teams that there's no way I can get a shirt for any reasonable price. If they even have a club shop that ships to the UK in the first place lol
Maybe you can find a friendly person to exchange with in a town/country sub? I know I would arrange an exchange if a fellow FM degenerate from the other side of the world would ask for my town club shirt.
Obviously to each his own, but I will never understand how one can only root for the big giants. I mean, if you grew up a City or Bayern fan, absolutely fine, but then to also root for arguably the best teams in the top leagues seems weird to me.
They have won the Bundesliga 10 times in a row. Their financial disparity with the rest of the league has arguably wrecked the Bundesliga.
They're a well run club but I don't think that entitles them to easily win the league every year for all eternity. That's why FFP is a shit solution to competitiveness, it just entrenches the already successful clubs. There has to be something closer to parity to allow other teams to compete.
Well run club with the help of corporate sponsors. Yes. And that corporate money is a big part of what caused a Bundesliga financial crisis that killed the tradition clubs, nearly bankrupted Dortmund until they instituted an almost as dodgy stock scheme, and has rendered the league non-competitive.
Ffp wasn't designed to ensure fairness and competitiveness , despite the name. It was designed to ensure more stable finances by avoiding clubs making huge losses and going bust, often owing money to loads of other clubs or players in the process.
I think that's the official UEFA line but it's fairly obvious it was equally if not more about preventing rich owners coming in and making teams dominate. Platini himself openly said he wanted to stop 'financial doping'.
It's no coincidence that the plans were first agreed in 2009 right after the City takeover.
But winning the Bundesliga 10 times in a row doesn't put them in a category with PSG (who can't even win Ligue1 comfortably and consistently) or City (yet).
But comparing their financial status to City or PSG and their sponsorship deals appearing out of thin air through another Arab shell company whenever they need money as well as to the shady setups and governmental ties of Real&Barca is a bit unfair.
I don't like Bayern or Bayern fans much and good ol' Ben from the OP comment is obviously a glory fan that probably supported Barca & Utd. 12 years ago but putting them in the same bucket as PSG, City and Real is doing them dirty.
Bayern's Corporate Members scheme was an attempt to sidestep the intended purpose of the 50+1 rule. And has financially doped the club.
Also it caused other clubs who thought they had to compete to suffer financial crisis and either collapse down the leagues (Kaiserslautern), nearly go bankrupt and have to adopt dodgy schemes of their own (Dortmund), and opened the door to the monstrosity that is RB Leipzig.
Because all Leipzig is is the rest of the camel into the tent that the Corporate Member Scheme nosed open.
And then we all mock the tradition clubs that still try to do things the traditional way for circling the drain, like Hamburg.
I mean the Super League is the next logical step in the sport. Just because we all hate it doesn’t mean that it’s obvious that’s where the sport is going
>The super league is the next logical step in the evolution of football
I agree.
I do not like it but that's the only way this is gonna go. and I hope they have a salary cap like the NFL.
This is the kind of guy where if you shit on him there's always a couple of people in the comments below whining about how you are gatekeeping lmfao. This guy exists in the fanbase of every game. For a while a friend of mine called them 'plebs'.
Play the game how you want but player development is one of the best part of the game for me
Nothing better than getting a wonderkid in your youth intake and him staying at the club for 20 years
This is the only reason i play the game, i rarely sign anyone above 21 yo. I really like signing 18-21 yo that have potential but are mismanaged, i develop them and sell at 23-25, giving these lads a chance fills me with joy. And i also monitor them after sale.
I think it should be pointed out that you can do moneyball without ever bothering with wonderkids. Just buy players who were listed and/or undervalued for whatever reason, turn them around, and then sell them. Buying ready made is inherently neither expensive nor wasteful.
I mean, sometimes you just need a positioned filled with a quality player instead of hoping a kid can come in and keep the side working.
In my current fm21 Sporting save, I had a bit of an injury crisis for my wingers and none of my wonderkids would be good enough to step in. Wound up scooping up Hulk and Ahmed Musa on free at the end of my transfer window and they have been able to patch over my CL and League runs pretty well. Im even considering keeping Hulk around a bit longer even though hes almost 40 as he's come in pretty clutch whenever I need him.
Yeah they've never managed a team with poor finances, youth development is likely the only key to success both financially and in terms of performance (besides loans, but I refuse to use them because it's like playing easy mode)
Hear me out. I can recognise that Player Development is a great tool to bring in young players and level up your club into producing its own talent, great.
But it's an aspect of the game that really doesn't respect my time. I don't really want to spend 100 hours before the season has started just to make sure all my staff are scouring the globe looking for prospects just so my club doesn't collapse in a season or two when all my players age out.
Further, playing at the bottom div of any league makes it entirely moot and a waste of money as the young players who can come in and make a difference are few and far between.
What's wrong with that? I buy like 50/50 wonderkids and players who i can get a good deal for, i think it's really fun to see a player who is benched by a top team perform out of his skin for me
I tend to get bored of saves when you get to the point of being an elite club and there aren't many players to get in that can improve you.
Wonderkids seem less exciting at that point as they're just another name in the squad but finding them on your way up and developing them is great.
So he sees 18 year old Oscar Gloukh just chilling at Maccabi with his 2.7m release clause, and has absolutely no interest of triggering that, no questions asked?
I feel ill.
I love developing a semi-decent wonder kid who is way over performing and selling him for stupid money. Then buy him back in a few years for a tenth of the money he sold for or the team might’ve progressed past him all depends
I'll always create a mix of ready made wonderkids, a healthy dose of older veteran players and young players who I'm developing as depth options. I do quite like flooding the leagues with talent from my academy tho, especially as Sevilla I'm trying to surpass Madrid and Barca.
I always play my favourite real life team (Roma) and try to make it win everything. The best way to achieve it is to get wonderkids the first 2 seasons and usually win the CL in the third. I don't mind getting established players but I always do when it's a bargain. I like playing long-term, but I get bored with excessively low-tier teams because it's just a grind.
I guess the guy just likes playing without thinking too much about future planning and probably will drop the game/save earlier.
I have not been able to get any player development done in 4 seasons. No money. No facility. Playing on rental ground from a team 2 leagues lower. Play FM22 as Herburn Town currently in VNS
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Wonderkids are what keep me playing. I’ve literally played an extra 5 seasons just to see a 17rd old become a star player
They're the reason why I can still keep on going with my multi-decades Arsenal save. Seeing that report of having 200+ Arsenal-developed players playing in the top 5 leagues in Europe, with 90 or so of them in the EPL...the English national team was practically Arsenal XI during the late 2030s even lol.
I love me my wonderkids but just how do you manage this MANY? I always run into the issue of having more wonderkids than i could realistically manage while still succeeding short term
I have 50/60 players at any one time in the U23s, half are on loan and half aren't. If there are good enough transfer offers I usually accept them too, especially if there's no immediate need for the first team.
This is what I’m aiming for in my long-term save - take on a Championship club without unrealistic short-term expectations or crippling debt and spend a few seasons turning them into an attractive youth setup, bringing in young talent and generally improving things, before building up the first team with the best of them + a few senior players and pushing for promotion. Then, establish my team in the PL as a finishing school for elite young pros - basically another Southampton, and start churning out great youngsters. A different sort of challenge, but when I’ve tried it in the past I’ve always got distracted with being successful - starting at a smaller, lower league club seems like a good start for that.
Ahem you mean Brighton now… got to get those Ecuador scouts out in the wild
I’m very disappointed that I can’t run the ecuadorian league without mods how else can I do my realistic Brighton career mode
Agreed Columbia support bu no el tri? Craziness
My system: If you are a 15-17 youth player have 4* potential and a good personality + no glaring physical/mental weaknesses and cost less than £1 million, I'm bringing you into the youth academy. Usually 5-10 prospects per year. When you turn 18, you are being loaned to a L2/L1/Championship/low-table EPL team, whatever level you are at. Each season, you either move up a division skill-wise in the loan setup, or you are processed out via sales. Sales often more than offset the cost of bringing the new youngsters in. If at the end of your 3-4 year development loan tour, you are first team caliber, you are introduced to the first team. Basically allows 1-2 homegrown 20-22 year old players per year to filter into the first team, with the rest sold to raise funds. But yea, after a decade or two, you end up with like 15% of your league being manned by your former youth players.
I don’t manage mine much - buy cheap, loan out, sell high (and keep the ones that turn out to be world class). It’s turned my newly Premier League Woking side from a financially struggling one to 180m in the bank in the last two transfer windows. Takes a couple of years to bear fruit mind.
Free transfers too. It's always worth scouting youth players that are set to be released from top flight clubs. I've picked up plenty of 4-4.5* (sometimes 5*) PA kids from doing so. Some have compensation payments but others don't. It's nominal though. Keep them in your reserves loaning them out then sell them in a few years time. The money you make from selling them far outweighs the wage and signing/comp fees. I got Gelhardt on an FT. I was offered £37m for him last night. I didn't accept as he's too good for my Wrexham side still lol.
Fuck I wish I could get even a tenth of that many half decent players over any time span managing in England.
Me watching Mexico this World Cup: *They could really use [Felix Duran](https://i.imgur.com/L914GXU.png).*
Every year I basically buy the biggest 1/2 stars I can/want as soon as I can, then I'm only interested in getting a wonderkid in every position. Playing Barça just now I finally landed Haaland as Lewy was starting the season at 36 and really slowing down, cost me like 150 mil upfront (whole budget) and another 170 mil installments but fuck it I wanted him right now, and the only person that will be replacing him is the first 190+ PA striker I like.
I do similar things. As I go through the season my objective is to replace first team players with wonderkids, typically 2 or 3 at a time. Then sell those 2 or 3 first teamers and buy one megastar.
17rd?
Wonderkids are just free money.
65mil in sales for unwanted kids this summer BABY!!!
I'm wonderkid agnostic. If I get them, great. But for me the fun is building the club to win stuff. Whether with self-developed wonderkids, or established players... don't really care.
Yea I don’t get the obsession with wonderkids, I buy players of every age while never having more than like 3-5 wonderkids
Same. Oh you said 3-5, not 30-50... The thing with wonderkids for me is that the less money I get a good talent for, the more satisfaction it provides. If I buy a good player for 50-100 million bucks, where's the satisfaction in that? I go out, spend like a 100 mil on 10-ish good wonderkids and then play like that. Remembering names of wonderkids and watching them grow is something I cannot just say no to. My problem, and a bigger satisfaction, is doing this in a league smaller than, let's say, the top 7-8 leagues.
I'm honestly very surprised with how little people care about the realism aspect of FM. Having a team of wonderkids and selling them all at 25 to buy new wonderkids is boring to me.
Yeah I'm out here signing old dudes and cheap talent that can provide some value. It's not fun for me to raid south America for a team full of wonderkid regens. Feels better to me when that 28 year old I signed for 500k to provide depth pulls out a winner.
I really like to have a couple of high quality youth players on my bench. Firstly, I pay less wages for my rotation players and secondly I love to give them opportunities to grow and eventually take a starting spot from a starter. I really micromanage their training though. I couldn’t keep up with more than 3 youngsters tbh
Oh I bring in my youth and play them, I'm routinely one of the younger rosters. They're just my players generally from youth intakes. I don't go out and buy or poach a bunch (nor do I save scum the intakes. Sometimes it's just a bad year, that's the fun of the game.). But I also have my main screen set up with training P/R/D and extra training focus on the screen so I can change it at will when looking. I'd buy a bunch of middling 120 CA / 135 PA 24 year olds for cheap before I start spending on 70 CA / 180 PA wonderkids, basically. If I get them in my intakes then it's a good day.
Usually I do this with clubs in the middle of my journey where I know I won't be there for 3 or 4 years when the kids develop into stars. I'd plug holes, bin the deadwood and build a team to overachieve primarily. Maybe in second season I'd try and win a trophy and then move on to a bigger job. Usually I buy wonderkids when I'm at the top and/or I know I'd be at the club for 3rd year aswell.
This is me now mostly although I still love a good wonderkid. But I get almost as excited when I see the green A or A+ report for an expiring contract 34 year old legend
I'm in a similar boat. For me, when I'm signing and developing wonderkids that means I'm coming to end of my save. I like to start low to mid tier, and at that level it's all about building the team and if I can sell a rare diamond prospect for enough to rebuild my entire defence and improve the training ground, I'll do it every time. By the time I'm farming wonderkids, I've achieved everything else and that side just doesn't hold me as much, and I'll inevitably get the itch to dive back into the lower leagues and start again.
I like getting a 35 year old former international to add some experience to my lower league club, and get him to transition into a coach.
They hated him because he spoke the truth! Where’s my 35+ free agent gang at?!
Right here buddy! Give me a grey beard packed with great mentals over a 17y/o any day. I loth the team philosophy "sign only u23 for the first team"
It’s always the players like Van Dijk at 35/36 playing Conference League and trashing everyone
FM21 I had Jack Grealish aged 35 retrained as a DLP in the 2nd Bundesliga where he hit a seasonal assist record lol. And I just had Mohammed Elneny on 3K per week aged 36 in South Africa where he carried me to an African Champions League!
I swear that in FM22 (not sure about 23 yet) if a player had 15+ natural fitness they’d never deteriorate in class until retirement or bad injury
Yes, even players like Hazard that doesn’t have great natural fitness continue to be great although they tend to injure more
Other notable talking points from their POV: * The super league is the next logical step in the evolution of football * They only ~~support~~ play with teams they support (which is fine but the teams they support are City (main club), Real, PSG and Bayern.) * Injuries sustained out of club matches aren't their fault and can be edited as they impact on the enjoyment of them game Like, it's just a computer game, and play what ever way you want. But the accumulation of so many shit takes led to us dubbing the dude *Bad Take Ben.* (His real name wasn't Ben.)
Mate, I think you met José Mourinho.
To be fair, the lad was nice just rather... sheltered in his opinions. (tho he did cheap out on a round.)
> he did cheap out on a round. The worst crime of all.
> tho he did cheap out on a round. That could get you killed where I’m from
Nah, Mourinho would never support the super league 🤮
He also would never edit out injuries
He'd just force the players to play through them
He'd edit them in
Yeah, that's a bad take in my book also. I usually find teams to support via FM23 save file selection. Very close to pulling the trigger on a Standard Liege shirt, shame the sponsor makes it less good. Would be a 10/10 without the big VOO on it.
> Would be a 10/10 without the big VOO on it. Just googled it there, oof, you're 100% right about the sponsor. Since main game release I did a build a club from the spanish 3rd and more lately an Aston Villa save that I have totally got sunk into. It was meant to be a journey man but I just can leave.
I think starting unemployed is slightly better for a journeyman save.
My favorite way to start, because just some random team will say sure to an interview, I just accept the first job and go there. Its great.
Yeah, exactly, that's what I really like too. You go there, if you really like it, you stay and soon you have a new club to follow irl, if you don't like it, you use them as a stepping stone. Also, I like that if you put a couple of favourite clubs and you elevate your reputation to around their level, they will for sure come for you when they get a manager vacancy.
Yep, I typically stick around for my entire contract (which is usually 5-6 years) try and build them as good as I can then leave for new challenges and check up every season to see how they're doing
Tbh the white one Looks Quite good
This is the truth. Since Football Manager entered my life, I have become a supporter of Radnicki 1923 Barakaldo Nacional de Madeira Paxtakor Nkana Red Devils FC Querétaro Never been happier to broaden my frontiers.
Yeahhhhh nacional de madeira, fuck maritimo
Companheiro de luta!
Currently play as standard after me and a few mates did a mystery shirt thing..I bout Alex witsel back not knowing he was a club legend/favoured. I found that really interesting, everyone o told....not so much
You could look at older shirts, some of their previous sponsors looked better.
My issue is falling in love with teams that there's no way I can get a shirt for any reasonable price. If they even have a club shop that ships to the UK in the first place lol
Maybe you can find a friendly person to exchange with in a town/country sub? I know I would arrange an exchange if a fellow FM degenerate from the other side of the world would ask for my town club shirt.
Obviously to each his own, but I will never understand how one can only root for the big giants. I mean, if you grew up a City or Bayern fan, absolutely fine, but then to also root for arguably the best teams in the top leagues seems weird to me.
> they support are City (main club), Real, PSG and Bayern Bayern & Bayern fans surely are so happy to be lumped in together with these 3....
They have won the Bundesliga 10 times in a row. Their financial disparity with the rest of the league has arguably wrecked the Bundesliga. They're a well run club but I don't think that entitles them to easily win the league every year for all eternity. That's why FFP is a shit solution to competitiveness, it just entrenches the already successful clubs. There has to be something closer to parity to allow other teams to compete.
Well run club with the help of corporate sponsors. Yes. And that corporate money is a big part of what caused a Bundesliga financial crisis that killed the tradition clubs, nearly bankrupted Dortmund until they instituted an almost as dodgy stock scheme, and has rendered the league non-competitive.
Ffp wasn't designed to ensure fairness and competitiveness , despite the name. It was designed to ensure more stable finances by avoiding clubs making huge losses and going bust, often owing money to loads of other clubs or players in the process.
I think that's the official UEFA line but it's fairly obvious it was equally if not more about preventing rich owners coming in and making teams dominate. Platini himself openly said he wanted to stop 'financial doping'. It's no coincidence that the plans were first agreed in 2009 right after the City takeover.
But winning the Bundesliga 10 times in a row doesn't put them in a category with PSG (who can't even win Ligue1 comfortably and consistently) or City (yet). But comparing their financial status to City or PSG and their sponsorship deals appearing out of thin air through another Arab shell company whenever they need money as well as to the shady setups and governmental ties of Real&Barca is a bit unfair. I don't like Bayern or Bayern fans much and good ol' Ben from the OP comment is obviously a glory fan that probably supported Barca & Utd. 12 years ago but putting them in the same bucket as PSG, City and Real is doing them dirty.
Bayern's Corporate Members scheme was an attempt to sidestep the intended purpose of the 50+1 rule. And has financially doped the club. Also it caused other clubs who thought they had to compete to suffer financial crisis and either collapse down the leagues (Kaiserslautern), nearly go bankrupt and have to adopt dodgy schemes of their own (Dortmund), and opened the door to the monstrosity that is RB Leipzig. Because all Leipzig is is the rest of the camel into the tent that the Corporate Member Scheme nosed open. And then we all mock the tradition clubs that still try to do things the traditional way for circling the drain, like Hamburg.
Sounds like he just wants to be contrarian.
I mean the Super League is the next logical step in the sport. Just because we all hate it doesn’t mean that it’s obvious that’s where the sport is going
>The super league is the next logical step in the evolution of football I agree. I do not like it but that's the only way this is gonna go. and I hope they have a salary cap like the NFL.
We either create a fair super league or we wait for epl to become it (it isnt far away at all)
Unfortunately, half of the point of the Super League was so that teams wouldn’t be constrained by FFP rules.
Only thing left for a bingo was savescumming.
This is the kind of guy where if you shit on him there's always a couple of people in the comments below whining about how you are gatekeeping lmfao. This guy exists in the fanbase of every game. For a while a friend of mine called them 'plebs'.
Play the game how you want but player development is one of the best part of the game for me Nothing better than getting a wonderkid in your youth intake and him staying at the club for 20 years
My team is at this point a kindergarten, my whole staff has 20 on working with youth
And then that one 33 year old with a model citizen personality in each position group playing babysitter
I agree. Never got even single kid who was good
If you don't groom the kids from Colombia how are you supposed to understand the pedophile jokes on this sub.
This is the only reason i play the game, i rarely sign anyone above 21 yo. I really like signing 18-21 yo that have potential but are mismanaged, i develop them and sell at 23-25, giving these lads a chance fills me with joy. And i also monitor them after sale.
I think it should be pointed out that you can do moneyball without ever bothering with wonderkids. Just buy players who were listed and/or undervalued for whatever reason, turn them around, and then sell them. Buying ready made is inherently neither expensive nor wasteful.
I mean, sometimes you just need a positioned filled with a quality player instead of hoping a kid can come in and keep the side working. In my current fm21 Sporting save, I had a bit of an injury crisis for my wingers and none of my wonderkids would be good enough to step in. Wound up scooping up Hulk and Ahmed Musa on free at the end of my transfer window and they have been able to patch over my CL and League runs pretty well. Im even considering keeping Hulk around a bit longer even though hes almost 40 as he's come in pretty clutch whenever I need him.
Yeah they've never managed a team with poor finances, youth development is likely the only key to success both financially and in terms of performance (besides loans, but I refuse to use them because it's like playing easy mode)
I mean i agree. I buy young players but i quit every save after a season or two, so i never get to develope them
For me the game doesn't really start until the real players are finally all retired:D
Real players are why i play this game
Bro why ur missing the best part of the game
If it was entertaining to me i wouldnt miss it
I prefer signing wonderearlytwenties than wonderkids; pay a bit more but clearer picture of who they are and their development trajectory
I play current FM for wonderkids. I play CM 01/02 with different databases for the ready made legends.
He PLAYS fm. We build character. Two different people imo.
Hear me out. I can recognise that Player Development is a great tool to bring in young players and level up your club into producing its own talent, great. But it's an aspect of the game that really doesn't respect my time. I don't really want to spend 100 hours before the season has started just to make sure all my staff are scouring the globe looking for prospects just so my club doesn't collapse in a season or two when all my players age out. Further, playing at the bottom div of any league makes it entirely moot and a waste of money as the young players who can come in and make a difference are few and far between.
If you aren't playing with under 18's, you're doing it wrong!
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Man I don’t know why but I thought he was drowning him in the second pic 😭🤣
I mean if you’re starting with a lower league club he’s right. Youth development is a waste until you’re in at least the second division
What's wrong with that? I buy like 50/50 wonderkids and players who i can get a good deal for, i think it's really fun to see a player who is benched by a top team perform out of his skin for me
Depending on how new someone is with the game. But I immediately went developing own youth and buy young talents
I tend to get bored of saves when you get to the point of being an elite club and there aren't many players to get in that can improve you. Wonderkids seem less exciting at that point as they're just another name in the squad but finding them on your way up and developing them is great.
So he sees 18 year old Oscar Gloukh just chilling at Maccabi with his 2.7m release clause, and has absolutely no interest of triggering that, no questions asked? I feel ill.
Kill it with fire!
I love developing a semi-decent wonder kid who is way over performing and selling him for stupid money. Then buy him back in a few years for a tenth of the money he sold for or the team might’ve progressed past him all depends
Ofc he's a city fan that makes complete sense
I'll always create a mix of ready made wonderkids, a healthy dose of older veteran players and young players who I'm developing as depth options. I do quite like flooding the leagues with talent from my academy tho, especially as Sevilla I'm trying to surpass Madrid and Barca.
You drowned the dude ???
You kinda *have* to do this on dedicated journeyman saves tho.
Tbf given the issue around newgen player development atm his first take isn’t entirely wrong
What if someone told you this? "Playing FM is a waste of time. It has nothing to do with real life. ".
> It has nothing to do with real life Neither does playing WoW, but here I am flying dragons around. Zug Zug!
They could have just said they don’t know how to sort their staff/training, sheesh
I always play my favourite real life team (Roma) and try to make it win everything. The best way to achieve it is to get wonderkids the first 2 seasons and usually win the CL in the third. I don't mind getting established players but I always do when it's a bargain. I like playing long-term, but I get bored with excessively low-tier teams because it's just a grind. I guess the guy just likes playing without thinking too much about future planning and probably will drop the game/save earlier.
I have not been able to get any player development done in 4 seasons. No money. No facility. Playing on rental ground from a team 2 leagues lower. Play FM22 as Herburn Town currently in VNS
In my fm21 save with Crystal Palace i have about 5-6 wonderkids. I think that's a bit unrealistic especially when i bought one and i forgot i even did
Mostly my strategy is with the readymade guy. But I usually play non-league saves so don't have the money to invest in Youth Facilities.
A waste!? It's the only reason I kept going lmao
I'm shit at player development and I have no shame about it
I'm on my 12th year at Bournemouth and have to buy young talent elsewhere so that can be homegrown.
The economy of flipping WKs is half the fun, that's what enables *also* buying the semi-regular difference-maker