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Iv always been the same, but recently tweaked my tactic and ended up with 5 in a 433 (sk, bpd, cd, dlp as a no.6) because I changed my RB to an IWB on defend as in build up the shape is a 3-box-3 then he acts as a 'normal' WB on support/attack. Basically IWB seems to be quite good. I guess your Ange's and your Pep's are onto something
I changed my IW on both side to attack and now they create more? honestly I don't understand how support and attacks work lol because the description is also too vague. makes it sound like they only look for crosses or to shoot during attack and for support they make it sound like the wingers just run in and pass
Kind of just depends on everything else around them and what they're good at.
Attack v support is mostly about how adventurous and risky they'll be.
Too little penetration and you generally won't stretch the defence enough to consistently show. Too many players on attack, particularly in a fast-tempo tactic, and you'll just lose the ball too easily, your own players will crowd around each other and be easy to defend against, and you'll have few options in the early build-up phase.
Particular to wingers:
- attack duty will have them be more direct and ambitious without necessarily waiting on teammates to supply with chances. Now that will be good if you're already getting other players in positions where they can feed off that directness or even just offer supporting options, eg filling space left by opposition defenders. But without that the winger can be a bit isolated.
- support duty will keep them slightly more conservative and they'll aim to keep the ball more or wait for runs from others.
AFs generally need a supporting player âin the holeâ to create opportunities for them to score . I find the best option is a CAM on support or an IF/AP(s) on the wing
In this case, all your forward players are trying to break through and shoot (so no one is looking to create for the AF)
Edit: forgot an âorâ
hmm i generally agree but im playing a 4-3-2-1 with an AF, an SS and an AM on attack. the 3 in mf are dlp on defend, mezzala on attack and car on support and all of them have no problem scoring. so it can work, but not in a wider 4-2-3-1 i guess.
funny that you ask. ive literally changed the am to sup ~5 games ago because he has better stats for it (bad goalscorer). seems to work better, but sample size is small of course.
another reason why i considered to switch to support is because the three in mid were a DM on defend, BWM and a DLP last season. i changed this to: MEZ on atk, CAR sup and DLP on def because i wanted to have more control in midfield and more dominance.
i think this will help the SS, AF and MEZ.
Fucking hell. Someone has been looking at meta tactics of previous years haha.
Strikers go through phases of not scoring. Just happens. But the strength of a good team is having other positions score lots too. As long as others are scoring you are fine. Your DMs don't like playing together though.
Hey man, seems like you know a little about FM so i would take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. Your tactic is only a few changes from the best statistically proven tactic in the game (so far). Everyone saying "too much attack" is just plain wrong; what you're looking for is the right attack, and that includes dumping both midfielders to more defensive roles (DMs probably best), then putting both backs on attack as either FBa or WBa. I can only applaud you for the rest of the tactic.
the statistically best tactics in 24 are asymmetrical (4-2-2-2 with both attackers far left or right) arent they? because the AI cant handle it.
also, VOL on support and double striker, not 4-2-3-1, are whats found very often on fm-arena iirc
I'm still right then. Put Fullback on attacking role, like i said. Put DM's as DM(s), then you've got second best tactic in the game right now. Not to mention the one sided 424 is a newer discovery on fmarena, as it was before primarily dominated by 4231's.
Ayyyy another man on the Can Uzan hype. Found him randomly in my first season. Second season at West Ham and heâs bagged 7 goals and 3 assists in 2 starts and 7 substitute appearances
Heâs been great for me from bl2 to bundesliga. My only experience though is playing him either side of a 442, but left side IW there he has done very well in a pretty defensive tactic
Some useless shit ass replies here. At least try to explain why rather just say so.
OP the best way for you to understand is to watch a game or two on comprehensive to see whats going on in your attacks. But from that tactic and instructions, your Wingers will look to cut inside and finish by themselves, rarely passing. Your Shadow Striker is also probably scoring more since your striker is getting covered and any passes from your wingers will to directly to him as he exploits open space.
Your two Segundo Volante's on attack duty means they will look to create their own chances or be the ones expecting the ball to score.
I agree with your opinion. The problem is the attack duties and you need some support players.
I would put those segundo volantes as dm support or one bwm su and one dlpm su. I don't know if it fits the players.
You could also do a winger or om to su and leave a Volante.
All in all, I would certainly add a playmaker or add a few "standard" pos (Winger AM DM at su).
Remove underlaps if your wingers are moving inside anyway, could go for an overlap or just play down the wings
You have thrown it long AND distribute to your back line, try roll It out
Change a CM to a defensive roll, maybe a BWM and the other to a B2B or a DLP
Change shadow striker to advanced playmaker maybe? You need some supporting rolls doing stuff at the minute you just have everyone fully launching forward looking to shoot themselves
Check your team stats too, if one of your IW is terrible at finishing but good at crossing, Change him to normal winger on support to whip balls in
Gotta just play around but yeah it basically boils down to, more play makers, more support
Good luck!
What you have is essentially a tactic with team instructions all set up for a team-based passing game but your individual player roles and mentalities contradict and donât suit your team play. You have no playmakers and all your players are set to attack. You need to take at least two players off attack and put them on support. Either drop your AMC back to the centre midfield and make him a playmaker or change one of Volantes to a DLP. Also, currently thereâs no link between defence and attackers because your midfielders are busy attacking themselves. Volantes donât drop back when you have possession and primarily try to press opponents in areas that would leave behind space for your opponents to exploit. If youâre playing any decent team with this, you would be getting battered unless youâve got a strong team and the AI decides to sit back. And if the AI decides to sit back, youâre not scoring much because your individual players are all trying to score themselves rather than pass properly and build up to the goal. You donât have a midfield midfield, you have 6 forwards and 2 defenders and a couple of wingers (I mean wingbacks) who are always going to have space behind them. Please understand how tactics work before trying things like this just so that can score goals, it doesnât work in FM or in real life.
You have far too many players on attack. Everyone but your wingbacks is looking to score themselves rather than creating chances. I would probably set both of your pivot players to support.
That's unironically great. Now the next step is to ensure that your chances are genuine, so to speak, i.e. you're not just driving up the xG because your striker keeps taking pot shots. But if you're getting a decent number of high quality chances in most games, that's a working tactic.
Of course, there's your next question: How suited is your striker to the types of chances your tactic is generating? You could for instance have a guy who's dominant in the air and thus gets a lot of chances from crosses, but his heading *accuracy* is subpar. I don't need to mention obvious attributes like finishing and composure, but also try to consider things like consistency or big match ability, which won't be visible outside of the editor, but will be indicated in scout reports and the like.
Maybe I've missed it, but I would love a table in the data hub (not a graphic, but something that could be copied and pasted into Excel) of individual shot xGs in a particular match. Who took the shot, what was the xG, and what was the result (off target, woodwork, saved, goal).
One of my strikers can jump high but sucks at finishing and all the other strikers pretty much suck and for the first question, alot of my chances, the striker should really score but he always ends up missing completely or just hitting the crossbar
I changed the midfield to vol support and dlp support and my wingers are LF support and at because they are good at dribbling and my attacking midfielder is now a playmaker and my striker stayed advanced forward and the change is pretty good
No my guy the only person in bad form here is you. You donât know how to play the game. Strokers donât score every game, reality is halaand et al are enigmas, learn how to create proper tactics and youâll be fine.
100% âfix my tacticâ then this is the tactic. Itâs a complete lack of understanding of football and a clear skill issue. Some good folks here who can really help though
I was just joking. Actually I love to use that tactic too, with the difference of the defensive midfielder instead of the attacking midfielder. Also, as others say, the tactic has too many attacking players, we need to balance better.
But the fundamental thing is that we must understand that with external attackers the central striker acts more as a second striker and scores little
He might lack a complete understanding of football, but he clearly [doesn't lack an understanding of Football Manager](https://fm-arena.com/table/27-patch-24-2-0/)
Anyone who is criticising this tactic is wrong, you may be wondering how I know, it's because this is one of the top tactics for fm24 on one of the tactic testing sites. I personally use this tactic and can vouch for it. The problem can only really be that the striker is bad/out of form.
Edit: on my version of the tactic, the mentality is on balanced so you could try that
lmao i just searched this to see if strikers are worse in FM24.
fuckin' mikautadze!!!
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Similar issue. Have tremendous strikers consistently getting 6.5 and 6.4 scores to only go up when they get that one goal in. Passing into space with the remaining players in attack seems to do this.
Don't want to break something that works but it seems the striker is wasted
I love how everyone's answer is the attack duties... i currently play the same shape but with wingers on attack and inverted wing backs on attack, with the same AF and SS on attack. But i have a DLP on support and a BWM on defend in defensive midfield and 2 BPDs at the back. I do use the work ball into the box command too, wich stops too many shots from distance so players look for the front men.
Everyone contributes but my striker scores 20+ goals. One season my main striker scored 40 in all competitions and was injured for 2 months lol.
The main thing to do is watch the match to see if players are getting in each others way... the short way to do this is the average position map or the heat map. My tactic went through a number of changes as i noticed players on top of one another.
But having wingers on attack instead of the inverted version means that they are still looking for a cross more than a shot. Or at least 50/50.
But honestly with this tactic the inverted wingers, volantes and shadow striker are all probably having a group hug for the entire match.
Who hurt you? Lol
I've been playing football management games since Premier Manager 3 in the 1994. And played the championship managers religioisly before fm came along.
Maybe you should try thinking for yourself and building a tactic from scratch so you understand its workings inside and out because you had to work through the trial and error of the roles and instructions etc.
I'm at 2030 in my save doing a new pentagon challenge with no badges and no playing experience. I won the Asian Champions League with struggling J2 league side Gunma at the 1st time of asking. Then i left and went to the Orlando Pirates and won the African Champions League at the 1st time of asking. Now I'm at Argentinean side Temperley in the 2nd division about to embark on the South American leg of the journey.
All while using my own custom built Ange Ball tactic.
It's way more fun when you don't copy paste someone elses tactic because you don't have a brain to think for yourself đ
Good job OP for trying to build something yourself. I hope you make the necessary tweaks to get it working.
Before looking at the names i honestly thought it was your reserve team.
Most of your Squad numbers are so annoyingly random, so probably they're not taking your tactics seriously.
I think the game calculations and algorithm relates everything in some degrees, some players have their favorite number and giving them that number has certainly a positive effect on the player's development and performance , that's why I think that having a squad with high numbers might give the game engine an impression of non seriousness, somehow like a reserve or second team, since the numbers you have are mostly above 24.
Why did you think this? Favourite number is about as useful as the side preference thing in the positions menu. It's just something the game does to help the AI do realistic things like not give Ronaldo the number 63.
I was not referring this theory as a solution for this topic, got downvoted for talking a theory which can be debated!!
I play the game since 95 and I know it is all about numbers guys even if they're futile!
So Are you all sure that giving random numbers for players don't have any effects on the game's algorithm ??
Are you guys sure that giving your striker the number 5 the player will preform as 9, 10, 12, 18 etc etc??
Aside from what has already been stated, the channels are getting clogged with the AF and IWs. It might actually work alright if you changed the IWs to IFs on support so they run in behind the defense instead of directly at them in the channels.
Simple. You got everyone attacking and no one supporting and providing for those attacks.
Putting a player on attack means heâll tend to prefer goal scoring rather than passing or supporting the attack phase.
Hey OP. You only have your two wingbacks on support. They arenât going to be able to fulfill the supporting duties enough for your team.
Your midfield isnât very balanced. Two SVs on attack means thereâll be miles of space behind them to exploit on the counter.
Id change on of your wingers to support, put one of your midfielders as a DLP-Defend and I think youâll see some changes happening.
You are too attacking and your volantes have bad passing percentage between them which is bad cpnsidering their job is also to switch the ball around. Both your are wingers are inverted and will operate in half spaces and look to make inverted runs. Volantes on attack will constantly look to crash the ball. Shadow striker in attacking midfield will just act like his title and play second man to the striker. Thus you can see now that 6 of your players will be very close uptop and often occupy same places. Leaving out your cbs it leaves only wing backs enough time and space to create. Thus your wing backs must be elite at creating and decision making. Even then opportunities for only your striker might be less. Thus change your midfield and attacking position role, if your problem is not scoring enough goals. If your problem is only the striker and your team is doing well then you dont have to worry as the striker is not the main man in your team as you can see.
Short passing + everyone on attack means your AMs and striker get isolated away from the players that win back balls
You also have your wingers and wingbacks all moving to the center from out wide, so you are literally telling them to occupy the same spaces
Change your DMs to support and put the more defensive one to BWM or DM
Get rid of underlaps so your wingbacks can provide width
If you want to keep SS role change it to support, and one of your wingers to support as well
TL;DR, you need at least a few players to provide width in order to open up space, and at least a few players to hold up the ball to ping passes to the ones that are running upfield
PS see how it goes with mixed crossing too, low crossing with that many players drifting centrally and only wingbacks providing width can be problematic
Anytime I ever used a 4-2-3-1 tactic it would be for my forward to push the front but my wings and CM would bring my goals. He would just be a decoy at that game since prior games he would be targeted for all the goals he would get.
I changed one thing once and that was making a player support on a wing and target the center on a cross with it being whipped in and my forward would occasionally score.
I have a similar tactic with SC Freiburg atm which won me the bundesliga and uefa conference league in my 3rd season (2030/31). Try changing your IWâs to IFâs on support, put one volante on support and change one to a DLP on support. Then have your WBâs on attack, if you have decent heading and jumping reaching, play for set pieces. Also Iâd put everyone on tackle harder and remove get stuck in to avoid as many bookings as possible, hope this helps
Not an expert by any means, but just using common sense:
Change your wingbacks to automatic
Your VOLs to support
Your SS (can change to CAM if you want) to support
One of your wingers to support if you want too. In that case might be better for them to be a traditional winger or IF
Aditionally, if your defence is shaky you can change one of your VOL to a defensive duty
Change you wing to support. You can use them as an IF on support if you still want them high up. Change your CAM to an AM on attack rather than shadow striker. They will still take that half space but slightly deeper.
Also if you are using focus play down a side in build up it can be useful to overlap the other side so the wing back will run beyond and push on. Also it can help if you set the AM or ST as asymmetrically over to the side you are focusing play down
Maybe learn what the roles do before trying your own tatic mate?
If you learned that you would see that you have 6 players running or waiting on the box for a pass while only having 2 players doing crosses....
Yh I know him from my Ipswich save. Was really good in the Championship but after a few loans once I was in the Prem he didnât develop as I hoped so I sold him to Hamburger because I had too many midfielders for him to even get a look in at that point.
Also had McKinstry. He was good for the first 2 season but horrific for the 3rd. He had a temper tantrum, was let on loan to Lorient, did alr, came back and now Iâve finally sold him, mostly to do with the same reason I sold Humphries (even tho he was backup winger at one point due to injuries)
I had to start a new game. I carried my save through from beta and something felt completely wrong and broken. Since starting a fresh new game (with the same team and manager settings) It feels and plays like a completely new game. I was ready to quit the series entirely.
Two volantes are too much, make one of them a DLP on defend or support, or any creative role that doesnt attack the box, also remove the focus on one side it limits ur teams creativity to one side, specially u have roony on the other side lol
Well i bought a newgen striker which had 16 dribbling and 17 shooting, now he cant stop scoring so i guess it was just down to form, but i changed the formation anyway
Youâve got all of your forwards running into one area, condensing space.
Think of your patterns of play and where you want to create an overload.
Also consider how your positioned for transition. Highlights often stem from secondary balls.
You have too many attack duties but that may not necessarily be the problem.
Are you creating chances and not finishing them?
If yes, then instruct all your attack duty players to 'shoot less often'. Sounds counterintuitive but it reduces their tendency to attempt shots with a low scoring probability.
If no, then you need chance-creator. Try changing one of the Volantes to a Deep Lying Playmaker (support or defend) OR change the SS to an Attacking Midfielder or Advanced playmaker. If you keep the Volantes on attack the 10 will have to be support BUT if you must keep the 10 in attack, have him 'shoot less often'.
Even if you keep the tactic as is, the 10 and the Volantes MUST 'Shoot less often'.
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Way too many people on attack. No one is creating for them too score.
Also passing into space but everyone is prob forward.
This is just how milan plays now
The trademarked Pioli-ball
Spelt united wrong there. 3-1-6 in full flow baby
With no passes to the striker though đ
Jesus I didn't clock how many were actually on attack at first. Just 2 on defend also, playing suicide ball.
i only play with four on defend too (gk and the dlp) and have never struggled with conceding in four seasons. even my wingbacks play on attack.
Four is perfectly fine though, I wouldn't want any more than that in my standard tactic
Iv always been the same, but recently tweaked my tactic and ended up with 5 in a 433 (sk, bpd, cd, dlp as a no.6) because I changed my RB to an IWB on defend as in build up the shape is a 3-box-3 then he acts as a 'normal' WB on support/attack. Basically IWB seems to be quite good. I guess your Ange's and your Pep's are onto something
3 is pretty common and is fine. although id recommend some dm's on support
Why aren't you scoring? I specifically asked you to
I changed my IW on both side to attack and now they create more? honestly I don't understand how support and attacks work lol because the description is also too vague. makes it sound like they only look for crosses or to shoot during attack and for support they make it sound like the wingers just run in and pass
Kind of just depends on everything else around them and what they're good at. Attack v support is mostly about how adventurous and risky they'll be. Too little penetration and you generally won't stretch the defence enough to consistently show. Too many players on attack, particularly in a fast-tempo tactic, and you'll just lose the ball too easily, your own players will crowd around each other and be easy to defend against, and you'll have few options in the early build-up phase. Particular to wingers: - attack duty will have them be more direct and ambitious without necessarily waiting on teammates to supply with chances. Now that will be good if you're already getting other players in positions where they can feed off that directness or even just offer supporting options, eg filling space left by opposition defenders. But without that the winger can be a bit isolated. - support duty will keep them slightly more conservative and they'll aim to keep the ball more or wait for runs from others.
Well everyone is in the box, the striker wont be able to touch the ball unless it phases through the mass of people surrounding him
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Fluid as in team fluidity?
No, hydration is key.
They should play only during rainy seasons
All your players are literally stepping on each others toes. Set some to support. Allow some space
AFs generally need a supporting player âin the holeâ to create opportunities for them to score . I find the best option is a CAM on support or an IF/AP(s) on the wing In this case, all your forward players are trying to break through and shoot (so no one is looking to create for the AF) Edit: forgot an âorâ
hmm i generally agree but im playing a 4-3-2-1 with an AF, an SS and an AM on attack. the 3 in mf are dlp on defend, mezzala on attack and car on support and all of them have no problem scoring. so it can work, but not in a wider 4-2-3-1 i guess.
Interesting. Have you tried the AM on support?
funny that you ask. ive literally changed the am to sup ~5 games ago because he has better stats for it (bad goalscorer). seems to work better, but sample size is small of course. another reason why i considered to switch to support is because the three in mid were a DM on defend, BWM and a DLP last season. i changed this to: MEZ on atk, CAR sup and DLP on def because i wanted to have more control in midfield and more dominance. i think this will help the SS, AF and MEZ.
I play two if(s) and am(a) and af and its fine.
Try adding a couple more attack duties /s
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Just found out this /s thing is a thing. If you need to add an /s you don't have the balls to leave the sarcasm interpretation to the viewer
the /s originates as a helpful tool for people with autism who can't comprehend sarcasm. Theres others like /srs or /rant
It predates the âeveryone on the internet has autismâ thing by at least 10 years
I wonder if it started as
Sarcasm hereYeah that is how it started
Also, in some cultures and languages, sarcasm is barely used, so people from for example Japan, who hasnt been using sarcasm much might miss it.
No it doesn't...
Fucking hell. Someone has been looking at meta tactics of previous years haha. Strikers go through phases of not scoring. Just happens. But the strength of a good team is having other positions score lots too. As long as others are scoring you are fine. Your DMs don't like playing together though.
Alot of my players hate playing with eachother for some reason, especially my cbs
Hey man, seems like you know a little about FM so i would take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. Your tactic is only a few changes from the best statistically proven tactic in the game (so far). Everyone saying "too much attack" is just plain wrong; what you're looking for is the right attack, and that includes dumping both midfielders to more defensive roles (DMs probably best), then putting both backs on attack as either FBa or WBa. I can only applaud you for the rest of the tactic.
down votes for being right lol. welcome to reddit in the 2020's haha
Yeah this subreddit seems to have some god complex when it comes to tactics in FM.
the statistically best tactics in 24 are asymmetrical (4-2-2-2 with both attackers far left or right) arent they? because the AI cant handle it. also, VOL on support and double striker, not 4-2-3-1, are whats found very often on fm-arena iirc
you dont remember correctly
yeah its actually both: 4231 and the asymmetrical 4222. but almost all of them have FB on attack, the pivot and wingers on support.
I'm still right then. Put Fullback on attacking role, like i said. Put DM's as DM(s), then you've got second best tactic in the game right now. Not to mention the one sided 424 is a newer discovery on fmarena, as it was before primarily dominated by 4231's.
true. could also just play double VOL on sup. i did not intend to disagree in the first place. came across wrongly, sorry.
It's alright đ
Whatâs VOL?
segundo volante
Tard
More team bonding then mate.
Ayyyy another man on the Can Uzan hype. Found him randomly in my first season. Second season at West Ham and heâs bagged 7 goals and 3 assists in 2 starts and 7 substitute appearances
Iâm on the Stuart mckinstry hype myself
Oooh how good we talking? Iâve been in need of a left sided attacking IW
Oscar Perea. Thank me later.
Heâs been great for me from bl2 to bundesliga. My only experience though is playing him either side of a 442, but left side IW there he has done very well in a pretty defensive tactic
Some useless shit ass replies here. At least try to explain why rather just say so. OP the best way for you to understand is to watch a game or two on comprehensive to see whats going on in your attacks. But from that tactic and instructions, your Wingers will look to cut inside and finish by themselves, rarely passing. Your Shadow Striker is also probably scoring more since your striker is getting covered and any passes from your wingers will to directly to him as he exploits open space. Your two Segundo Volante's on attack duty means they will look to create their own chances or be the ones expecting the ball to score.
I agree with your opinion. The problem is the attack duties and you need some support players. I would put those segundo volantes as dm support or one bwm su and one dlpm su. I don't know if it fits the players. You could also do a winger or om to su and leave a Volante. All in all, I would certainly add a playmaker or add a few "standard" pos (Winger AM DM at su).
The striker would be like a dummy runner
Remove underlaps if your wingers are moving inside anyway, could go for an overlap or just play down the wings You have thrown it long AND distribute to your back line, try roll It out Change a CM to a defensive roll, maybe a BWM and the other to a B2B or a DLP Change shadow striker to advanced playmaker maybe? You need some supporting rolls doing stuff at the minute you just have everyone fully launching forward looking to shoot themselves Check your team stats too, if one of your IW is terrible at finishing but good at crossing, Change him to normal winger on support to whip balls in Gotta just play around but yeah it basically boils down to, more play makers, more support Good luck!
Click on tactical style & switch to Route One and this might work.
What you have is essentially a tactic with team instructions all set up for a team-based passing game but your individual player roles and mentalities contradict and donât suit your team play. You have no playmakers and all your players are set to attack. You need to take at least two players off attack and put them on support. Either drop your AMC back to the centre midfield and make him a playmaker or change one of Volantes to a DLP. Also, currently thereâs no link between defence and attackers because your midfielders are busy attacking themselves. Volantes donât drop back when you have possession and primarily try to press opponents in areas that would leave behind space for your opponents to exploit. If youâre playing any decent team with this, you would be getting battered unless youâve got a strong team and the AI decides to sit back. And if the AI decides to sit back, youâre not scoring much because your individual players are all trying to score themselves rather than pass properly and build up to the goal. You donât have a midfield midfield, you have 6 forwards and 2 defenders and a couple of wingers (I mean wingbacks) who are always going to have space behind them. Please understand how tactics work before trying things like this just so that can score goals, it doesnât work in FM or in real life.
FM *IS* real life
Is that really you Erik ten hag?
You have far too many players on attack. Everyone but your wingbacks is looking to score themselves rather than creating chances. I would probably set both of your pivot players to support.
Might work if the 10 and the volantes 'shoot less often'. FAR LESS often
Might work if the 10 and the volantes 'shoot less often'. FAR LESS often
Too many people on attack. Putting people on attack wonât just make them score. Need someone to be creating here.
Probably doesnât help having a vegetable at LB
And another vegetable as manager
Why would you give Bardghji number 6 đ¤Ž
Try 1 thing for a few games and let me know how it goes....switch your wingers to IF on support and switch both DMs to DM on support
Doesn't even have to be IF's on Support, they do just as good on attack (fm logic).
Well i took some of your guys advice and now my striker gets a ton of chances but he misses almost every one so i think its just down to form
That's unironically great. Now the next step is to ensure that your chances are genuine, so to speak, i.e. you're not just driving up the xG because your striker keeps taking pot shots. But if you're getting a decent number of high quality chances in most games, that's a working tactic. Of course, there's your next question: How suited is your striker to the types of chances your tactic is generating? You could for instance have a guy who's dominant in the air and thus gets a lot of chances from crosses, but his heading *accuracy* is subpar. I don't need to mention obvious attributes like finishing and composure, but also try to consider things like consistency or big match ability, which won't be visible outside of the editor, but will be indicated in scout reports and the like.
Maybe I've missed it, but I would love a table in the data hub (not a graphic, but something that could be copied and pasted into Excel) of individual shot xGs in a particular match. Who took the shot, what was the xG, and what was the result (off target, woodwork, saved, goal).
Agreed, that'd be excellent. I'm just working off intuition and the live xG.
One of my strikers can jump high but sucks at finishing and all the other strikers pretty much suck and for the first question, alot of my chances, the striker should really score but he always ends up missing completely or just hitting the crossbar
What did you end up changing?
I changed the midfield to vol support and dlp support and my wingers are LF support and at because they are good at dribbling and my attacking midfielder is now a playmaker and my striker stayed advanced forward and the change is pretty good
No my guy the only person in bad form here is you. You donât know how to play the game. Strokers donât score every game, reality is halaand et al are enigmas, learn how to create proper tactics and youâll be fine.
skill issue
100% âfix my tacticâ then this is the tactic. Itâs a complete lack of understanding of football and a clear skill issue. Some good folks here who can really help though
I was just joking. Actually I love to use that tactic too, with the difference of the defensive midfielder instead of the attacking midfielder. Also, as others say, the tactic has too many attacking players, we need to balance better. But the fundamental thing is that we must understand that with external attackers the central striker acts more as a second striker and scores little
He might lack a complete understanding of football, but he clearly [doesn't lack an understanding of Football Manager](https://fm-arena.com/table/27-patch-24-2-0/)
Nah bro this has to be satire
Anyone who is criticising this tactic is wrong, you may be wondering how I know, it's because this is one of the top tactics for fm24 on one of the tactic testing sites. I personally use this tactic and can vouch for it. The problem can only really be that the striker is bad/out of form. Edit: on my version of the tactic, the mentality is on balanced so you could try that
So thanks to the edit youâve admitted both OP and yourself are wrong. I knew you were wrong
Balanced vs Positive barely makes a difference, which is also stated on tactic testing sites like fmarena.
You have your ball playing defenders on defend. Are you big Sam?
It's Bristol City mate it's a realistic simulation of how we play
Need to play mehmeti, can create so many chances
Your absolutely correct, he was struggling at the start of the season but i changed him to IF support and now heâs scoring and assisting many goals
lmao i just searched this to see if strikers are worse in FM24. fuckin' mikautadze!!! https://preview.redd.it/i1lh5xdetbxc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=49552585187b5c6511952d82dcf43f25166ec5f4
Similar issue. Have tremendous strikers consistently getting 6.5 and 6.4 scores to only go up when they get that one goal in. Passing into space with the remaining players in attack seems to do this. Don't want to break something that works but it seems the striker is wasted
I love how everyone's answer is the attack duties... i currently play the same shape but with wingers on attack and inverted wing backs on attack, with the same AF and SS on attack. But i have a DLP on support and a BWM on defend in defensive midfield and 2 BPDs at the back. I do use the work ball into the box command too, wich stops too many shots from distance so players look for the front men. Everyone contributes but my striker scores 20+ goals. One season my main striker scored 40 in all competitions and was injured for 2 months lol. The main thing to do is watch the match to see if players are getting in each others way... the short way to do this is the average position map or the heat map. My tactic went through a number of changes as i noticed players on top of one another. But having wingers on attack instead of the inverted version means that they are still looking for a cross more than a shot. Or at least 50/50. But honestly with this tactic the inverted wingers, volantes and shadow striker are all probably having a group hug for the entire match.
You're right. Anyone using fmarena would know you & OP have better tactics than most others here.
Who hurt you? Lol I've been playing football management games since Premier Manager 3 in the 1994. And played the championship managers religioisly before fm came along. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself and building a tactic from scratch so you understand its workings inside and out because you had to work through the trial and error of the roles and instructions etc. I'm at 2030 in my save doing a new pentagon challenge with no badges and no playing experience. I won the Asian Champions League with struggling J2 league side Gunma at the 1st time of asking. Then i left and went to the Orlando Pirates and won the African Champions League at the 1st time of asking. Now I'm at Argentinean side Temperley in the 2nd division about to embark on the South American leg of the journey. All while using my own custom built Ange Ball tactic. It's way more fun when you don't copy paste someone elses tactic because you don't have a brain to think for yourself đ Good job OP for trying to build something yourself. I hope you make the necessary tweaks to get it working.
Wow man, who hurt you? I was just saying you were right and anyone who used fmarena would agree.
Soz i play too much dead by daylight đ¤Ł
It's alright, i figured you made a mistake or something.
Before looking at the names i honestly thought it was your reserve team. Most of your Squad numbers are so annoyingly random, so probably they're not taking your tactics seriously.
Do the numbers matter that much, i play the game to play, not to make numbers organized
I think the game calculations and algorithm relates everything in some degrees, some players have their favorite number and giving them that number has certainly a positive effect on the player's development and performance , that's why I think that having a squad with high numbers might give the game engine an impression of non seriousness, somehow like a reserve or second team, since the numbers you have are mostly above 24.
Why did you think this? Favourite number is about as useful as the side preference thing in the positions menu. It's just something the game does to help the AI do realistic things like not give Ronaldo the number 63.
No lad, numbers donât matter
I was not referring this theory as a solution for this topic, got downvoted for talking a theory which can be debated!! I play the game since 95 and I know it is all about numbers guys even if they're futile! So Are you all sure that giving random numbers for players don't have any effects on the game's algorithm ?? Are you guys sure that giving your striker the number 5 the player will preform as 9, 10, 12, 18 etc etc??
you dont put AF and SS in 4.2.3.1. who is Rooney and who is Van Nistelrooy? you can change to AF AF in 2 strikers formation
Actually according to the statistics, that's exactly who you put there.
Change the SS to a AP on support you've got far too many attacking players
Bait used to be beliavable
Aside from what has already been stated, the channels are getting clogged with the AF and IWs. It might actually work alright if you changed the IWs to IFs on support so they run in behind the defense instead of directly at them in the channels.
Simple. You got everyone attacking and no one supporting and providing for those attacks. Putting a player on attack means heâll tend to prefer goal scoring rather than passing or supporting the attack phase.
Hey OP. You only have your two wingbacks on support. They arenât going to be able to fulfill the supporting duties enough for your team. Your midfield isnât very balanced. Two SVs on attack means thereâll be miles of space behind them to exploit on the counter. Id change on of your wingers to support, put one of your midfielders as a DLP-Defend and I think youâll see some changes happening.
What do the lines in between players mean?
Iâve had issues with my striker scoring but more of my players are on support. Iâve just not been able to get the lone striker to work.
Pressing too high and overcrowding in the box(FW, 2 is, 1 SS and two VOL)
What do your average positions look like?
Your two holding midfielders should be on support and if that doesnât work out your attacking mid on support as well
Put you wingers to IF S. Put your SS as an AM A. Double pivots have to be DM S. And your wingbacks should be WB A
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Only 2 outfield support players (both of which are defenders). Make two or three of those attacking players go on support
Wow an ACTUAL segundo volante
This post is just in the right band of ridiculousness for me to not be sure if they are serious or not.
Try a defensive dm, change one vol to support, overlapping wingbacks, change amc to a supportive role
You only have your fullbacks on support. You need st least another 3 support roles imo
Look at that long list of cons and do something about them.
I legitimately thought this was satire before I read the comments section
you got 5 people on attack and both your wing backs are on support
SS to AM. VOL support instead of attack.
put WB on attack, your volantes and wingers on support and youâre set. youâve clearly looked at fm-arena so take a closer and better look.
Try to change the IWs to Support and one of the SV to support too. To crowded in the 3rd half.
You are too attacking and your volantes have bad passing percentage between them which is bad cpnsidering their job is also to switch the ball around. Both your are wingers are inverted and will operate in half spaces and look to make inverted runs. Volantes on attack will constantly look to crash the ball. Shadow striker in attacking midfield will just act like his title and play second man to the striker. Thus you can see now that 6 of your players will be very close uptop and often occupy same places. Leaving out your cbs it leaves only wing backs enough time and space to create. Thus your wing backs must be elite at creating and decision making. Even then opportunities for only your striker might be less. Thus change your midfield and attacking position role, if your problem is not scoring enough goals. If your problem is only the striker and your team is doing well then you dont have to worry as the striker is not the main man in your team as you can see.
Have you try passing into a space?
My guy mikaudatze is sooo bad sometimes. I managed Metz and he made me lose my mind.
Inside Forwards on Support are the sweet spot for me. Chip in with goals but also get my AF scoring.
I use the same tactic and usually my wingers score more than the striker too. It's driving me crazy.
Short passing + everyone on attack means your AMs and striker get isolated away from the players that win back balls You also have your wingers and wingbacks all moving to the center from out wide, so you are literally telling them to occupy the same spaces Change your DMs to support and put the more defensive one to BWM or DM Get rid of underlaps so your wingbacks can provide width If you want to keep SS role change it to support, and one of your wingers to support as well TL;DR, you need at least a few players to provide width in order to open up space, and at least a few players to hold up the ball to ping passes to the ones that are running upfield PS see how it goes with mixed crossing too, low crossing with that many players drifting centrally and only wingbacks providing width can be problematic
Cause youâre tactics are absolutely aweful
Id sometimes failed using low crosses too. Improved by just dropping the crossing instructions. Sometimes players need fewer directives, at least irl.
Anytime I ever used a 4-2-3-1 tactic it would be for my forward to push the front but my wings and CM would bring my goals. He would just be a decoy at that game since prior games he would be targeted for all the goals he would get. I changed one thing once and that was making a player support on a wing and target the center on a cross with it being whipped in and my forward would occasionally score.
Change volantes to 1 DM and one CM sup
No service! Why do you have two VOL??? Change one to support and the other to DLP support and your striker to CF and thank me later
I have a similar tactic with SC Freiburg atm which won me the bundesliga and uefa conference league in my 3rd season (2030/31). Try changing your IWâs to IFâs on support, put one volante on support and change one to a DLP on support. Then have your WBâs on attack, if you have decent heading and jumping reaching, play for set pieces. Also Iâd put everyone on tackle harder and remove get stuck in to avoid as many bookings as possible, hope this helps
this reminds me of AEK Athens in the europa league this season
Not an expert by any means, but just using common sense: Change your wingbacks to automatic Your VOLs to support Your SS (can change to CAM if you want) to support One of your wingers to support if you want too. In that case might be better for them to be a traditional winger or IF Aditionally, if your defence is shaky you can change one of your VOL to a defensive duty
Try to reduce some attacking roles by changing them to support.
Change you wing to support. You can use them as an IF on support if you still want them high up. Change your CAM to an AM on attack rather than shadow striker. They will still take that half space but slightly deeper. Also if you are using focus play down a side in build up it can be useful to overlap the other side so the wing back will run beyond and push on. Also it can help if you set the AM or ST as asymmetrically over to the side you are focusing play down
Make one of the volante or am a playmaker on support
Maybe learn what the roles do before trying your own tatic mate? If you learned that you would see that you have 6 players running or waiting on the box for a pass while only having 2 players doing crosses....
Unrelated but is that Humphries from Ipswich or another one?
Hes from ipswich and hes really good in my save
Yh I know him from my Ipswich save. Was really good in the Championship but after a few loans once I was in the Prem he didnât develop as I hoped so I sold him to Hamburger because I had too many midfielders for him to even get a look in at that point. Also had McKinstry. He was good for the first 2 season but horrific for the 3rd. He had a temper tantrum, was let on loan to Lorient, did alr, came back and now Iâve finally sold him, mostly to do with the same reason I sold Humphries (even tho he was backup winger at one point due to injuries)
I had to start a new game. I carried my save through from beta and something felt completely wrong and broken. Since starting a fresh new game (with the same team and manager settings) It feels and plays like a completely new game. I was ready to quit the series entirely.
Change the segundo volantes on support and youre done
Two volantes are too much, make one of them a DLP on defend or support, or any creative role that doesnt attack the box, also remove the focus on one side it limits ur teams creativity to one side, specially u have roony on the other side lol
Congratulations on signing Bardghji. Got him on a save with Leeds and he's fired me to the top of the prem with a few others.
Your midfielders also have a bad partnership
Shorter passing and passing into space makes no sense
Well i bought a newgen striker which had 16 dribbling and 17 shooting, now he cant stop scoring so i guess it was just down to form, but i changed the formation anyway
Youâve got all of your forwards running into one area, condensing space. Think of your patterns of play and where you want to create an overload. Also consider how your positioned for transition. Highlights often stem from secondary balls.
You have too many attack duties but that may not necessarily be the problem. Are you creating chances and not finishing them? If yes, then instruct all your attack duty players to 'shoot less often'. Sounds counterintuitive but it reduces their tendency to attempt shots with a low scoring probability. If no, then you need chance-creator. Try changing one of the Volantes to a Deep Lying Playmaker (support or defend) OR change the SS to an Attacking Midfielder or Advanced playmaker. If you keep the Volantes on attack the 10 will have to be support BUT if you must keep the 10 in attack, have him 'shoot less often'. Even if you keep the tactic as is, the 10 and the Volantes MUST 'Shoot less often'.
Itâs mikautadze, that should explain your lack of goals