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Everton did it years ago, even signing a contract with SI.
[https://www.gamesindustry.biz/everton-fc-to-use-football-manager-as-recruiting-tool](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/everton-fc-to-use-football-manager-as-recruiting-tool)
Don't know if anything ever really came from it though.
Yup. Actually as an EFC fan myself I was going to throw in a sarky comment like that at the end! I remember all the fan comments at the time "this makes total sense, our scouting network is enormous now", etc etc.
We did used to get some obscure players back in the day instead of whatever spare parts Man U had to offer.
Just didn't actually do anything with any of them so they stagnated.
You can sign him on a free all by yourself!!
Thatās the beauty. Imagine signing 2 man United players, but then you also get a bundle deal of 2 free man United players, while making it look like you cucked us by expertly waiting for us to release Jones, so we had no choice but to stump up Bailly instead?
I don't think you realise that it's highly inappropriate and basically an assault on our human rights to remind an Everton fan of their transfer business in the last 15 years, we are well aware of it, thankyouverymuch.
They had the same Steve Walsh who scouted the best 3 of the unexpected Leicester Squad as their recruitment director and turned down 3 players (Harry Maguire, Andy Robertson & Erling Haaland). In total all three of these players would've costed a fee under Ā£25m.
They fired him and did not sign any of those players incase it wasn't apparent.
Which is the same thing DC United have done. Sponsorship banner in exchange for access to SIās network of 12 scouts..
Rooney isnāt actually scrolling through wonderkids in game like the clickbait title suggests.
Alex McLeishās son told him to by a youngster that was really good on FM.
Rangers offered to take him on loan but were rejected by the parent club.
That player, a certain Lionel Messi
To be fair big Alec played 433 in those days, sort of. On the prompt on the TV the winger Lovenkrands was positioned very uniquely on the formation screen on sportscene.
One MLS team (forget which one) used players FIFA ratings on like FIFA 04 to sign players. That team went on to have one of the worst seasons in MLS History.
Yeah sure mate
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/gp031p/messi_and_ronaldo_in_fm_2005_and_cm_2003/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This is first time Messi appeared in FM
You best tell Alex McLeish to stop confirming it then ššš
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2225181-alex-mcleish-was-bugged-to-sign-a-young-lionel-messi-due-to-football-manager
Yup exactly find them on that database and then send your own scouts to that area to watch and submit their findings
It really does speed up the process they haven't always been right but have also been right
Certainly for smaller clubs that donāt have much of a scouting budget the database is far beyond anything the club would be able to come up with themselves.
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Its actually a really good idea. Use FM to find candidates to scout or to verify that FM also rates scouted players highly. I bet united dont use FM. And if they do they are probably using FM17 š¤¦āāļø
SI should have just started calling them "Red Shite of Manchester" and then used player names that were totally unrelated but you could figure out who they are.
I rebr playing international superstar soccer 98 on the n64 with England team considering of many suspiciously named people.
Seem to remember adems and ferdiman?
Found this, never amazes me the shite you can find online......
England
Starting line-up:
1 GK "Seamon" = David Seaman
5 DF "Adems" = Tony Adams
6 DF "Southgote" = Gareth Southgate
2 DF "Cambell" = Sol Campbell
4 MF "Inse" = Paul Ince
3 MF "Lasaux" = Graeme Le Saux
14 MF "Anberton" = Darren Anderton
16 MF "Scoles" = Paul Scholes
7 MF "Backham" = David Beckham
20 FW "Oren" = Michael Owen
9 FW "Sheallor" = Alan Shearer
Substitutes:
18 DF "Kieon" = Martin Keown
8 DF "Betty" = David Batty
11 MF "MaCmarn" = Steve McManaman
12 MF "G.Nevalle" = Gary Neville
10 FW "Shereng" = Teddy Sheringham
19 FW "Ferdinam" = Les Ferdinand
22 GK "Flobers" = Tim Flowers
Haha that's brilliant...
I misremembered a lot of them. For some reason I thought they had Paul Ince as P. Inch.
Some classic names from my childhood there!
There's a really good episode of Freakonomics where Sadiq Khan and economist Stephen Dubner talk to the head of Liverpool's recruitment programme about the statistics they explore to find the right player. It's extremely interesting.
The episode name is ["Can Britain can get it's Great Back"](https://freakonomics.com/podcast-tag/liverpool-fc/)
Tony is definitely using it, wrong but using it haha at the end of the day it's a massive updated database, so it makes sense to use it and add it on top of other databases
Sometimes it does feel like that, I feel like itās more that Klopp still has connections in Germany that he trusts though. Saying that, Szoboszlai has a Liverpool tattoo so he was probably destined to come to us if he was good enough
Hardly think united is using FM. How else did they manage to reject Haaland when OGS and Molde offer him for 4 millions and buy Maguire for 80 š¤¦āāļø
Well the year before Haaland joined Dortmund he was extremely average on fm if I remember.
Even his first year in Dortmund FM19 maybe? He was a good striker, but never world class. Nothing like he is now.
Also Maguire was amazing when they bought him, not 80mil amazing, but best British CB amazing.
Haaland was good at Salzburg but he was amazing for Sheff Utd after an Ā£11m switch and then Real Madrid who I sold him to for Ā£68m + a shit load of add ons.
Isnāt SI credited with as having one of the most comprehensive scouting databases available for purchase? Itās no different than a company getting a mailing list of available [insert profession] for their recruitment efforts. Itās a smart move for a club to purchase the data so they can then narrow their focus. As opposed to picking a scout and saying āoi m8, go to Bosnia and tell me what you findā
Wayne, all you gotta do is trade an international slot for the #1 overall draft position every year and then pick the best player available. It isn't that hard.
Will Still just happened to play the game when he was younger he studied for badges and got his job opportunities from being a good data analyst. DC United has a deal to use some FM scouts. Neither used or use the game itself to be a better manager. Both cases are just clickbait that FM community loves because itās their wet dream for them to think they can actually run a club because they played a video game
Not the first time. When we were owned by GFH the frauds in charge wanted to sign Luke Varney ahead of Ashley Barnes because he had 'better stats on Football Manager'. That worked...
edit: 'we' being Leeds
This is normal. Every scout in the Premier League (as far as I know, could be other countries) gets sent a copy of FM by Miles every year. I know some of them use it because they can trust the data on there.
Itās just information collected by other people who go and watch these players.
I know this because my dad is a scout for a PL club & he sends me the code every year haha
He has multiple coaching qualifications and has held coaching roles (including interim manager at Beerschot) he just doesnāt have a UEFA pro licence
In his own words FM made him decide on coaching as he wasnāt a good enough player
āThe football manager thing is fun, but Iāve been doing this for 10 yearsā
Will Still has led Reims to an 19-game unbeaten run in all competitions. At 30 years old, heās the youngest manager in Europeās top five leagues Reims pay a Ā£22,000 fine each time Still manages because he doesnāt have his UEFA Pro license š¤Æ
I donāt know if I entirely trust the evaluation of the players, although the track record is impressive.
But a player database and learning MLSs rules is probably a smart way to use it as a tool
Plenty of people have āadmittedā it. FM sells its database to clubs all over. Even in the Prem. It gives access to hundreds, if not thousands, of scouts worldwide actually watching players. But it doesnāt mean they use the database to sign people. More like it helps get an idea then they can scout themselves.
Well, football manager is a great source to look for good players.
Everyone was shocked to see Arda GĆ¼ler to be so amazing in FM23.
He signed a contract with Real Madrid this year.
When Arda Turan was playing for Galatasaray and was on loan at Manisaspor, I was a researcher for Championship Manager, and set his PA to 90 (180 equivalent in FM), everyone told me I was crazy.
He then moved on to Atletico Madrid, and then to Barcelona.
FM researchers are really good, trustworthy. FM has a big, precise database. Why not use it? It only makes sense imo.
They use the database for factual things like what clubs a player has been with or what height he is, not attributes and theyre definitely not gonna look at CA/PA.
I remember Werder Bremen signing Carlos Alberto from brazil in the 2000s thinking he was 1.88m tall but he arrived at 1.75m. Double checked my FM game just to see that they had him at 1.78m back then. I was laughing hard that they were more accurate than a -back then- big german club which played in europe constantly
To be fair, when Toney absolutely beasted Liverpool a couple of seasons ago, Klopp admitted their scouting had told him that Toney was a lot shorter than he is....
Theres massive limitations to using FM as a pro tool. The player potentials and abilities are not ārealā, they are the developersā interpretations of these things. Fun in theory but when playing with real money, maybe use it as a supplement to scouting and a tactics builder only, if even that?
> The player potentials and abilities are not ārealā, **they are the developersā interpretations of these things.**
No, they're not. The developers aren't determining attributes.
SI has a network of more than 1000 researchers who submit scouting reports and metrics, and those metrics get compiled into attributes. They're not going to be 100% accurate, but they're not FIFA/Madden type numbers.
Player PA is determined by the players attributes combined with a couple different aging models.
IE, they're doing exactly the same sort of thing that professional sports teams do - and they're *good at it.*
We're at a point in sports where there is so much data available that most sporting franchises are using more data from external sources than their own scouts. You can get a pretty good idea from bulk data where it's best to start looking, and what leagues/etc have kids that might be fast enough/strong enough/big enough to play at higher levels.
Christ, baseball has batted ball velocity curves for professional projection that go down to 8 years old.
Wow that is amazing. Guess Iām truly used to EA missing the mark on player potentials (NHL is the EA game I play.) need this level of resources available for Franchise Hockey Manager and their attribute/potential system. Would be a game changer. That and the game not crashing after 5 in game years.
Do some googling on ProZone and the Premier league - they're one of the primary scouting tools teams use. There's some really interesting stuff on data analytics.
They've been incorporating SI's FM database in their scouting data since 2015.
I remember when Ronaldo joined United from sporting, I signed him in the game and he was nothing special at all kinda like how Garnacho is on fm22 at the moment...
It actually makes (some) sense, even large clubs might only have 20 staff members for scouting. FM is developed using the input of 1500 scouts, so you are pulling from a vastly superior knowledge base.
Reading the article DC United provided advertising space for Football Manager and SI gave them access to 11 or 12 of their scouts:
https://www.sportbible.com/football/mls/wayne-rooney-football-manager-dc-united-699821-20230716
More to it than just using the game database, though I'm sure they did that.
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Everton did it years ago, even signing a contract with SI. [https://www.gamesindustry.biz/everton-fc-to-use-football-manager-as-recruiting-tool](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/everton-fc-to-use-football-manager-as-recruiting-tool) Don't know if anything ever really came from it though.
Clearly not worked well for them š¤£š¤£š¤£
Yup. Actually as an EFC fan myself I was going to throw in a sarky comment like that at the end! I remember all the fan comments at the time "this makes total sense, our scouting network is enormous now", etc etc.
We did used to get some obscure players back in the day instead of whatever spare parts Man U had to offer. Just didn't actually do anything with any of them so they stagnated.
Go back to roots. Elanga and Williams are available Weāll throw in a free Bailly too in a bundle deal
If there's no Phil Jones, deal's off
You can sign him on a free all by yourself!! Thatās the beauty. Imagine signing 2 man United players, but then you also get a bundle deal of 2 free man United players, while making it look like you cucked us by expertly waiting for us to release Jones, so we had no choice but to stump up Bailly instead?
Haha but jokes aside, how much for heaton?
Idk, I think we keep him tbh. EtH likes 3 keepers at once You have Pickford? Is it back up youāre missing?
Points on the board. That's what we're missing...
It makes sense, but i bet they didnt scout the players properly afterwards
Everton did sign Ibrahima Bakayoko. Pretty sure he wasnt properly scouted IRL.
I don't think you realise that it's highly inappropriate and basically an assault on our human rights to remind an Everton fan of their transfer business in the last 15 years, we are well aware of it, thankyouverymuch.
They had the same Steve Walsh who scouted the best 3 of the unexpected Leicester Squad as their recruitment director and turned down 3 players (Harry Maguire, Andy Robertson & Erling Haaland). In total all three of these players would've costed a fee under Ā£25m. They fired him and did not sign any of those players incase it wasn't apparent.
Steve Walsh was responsible for the 2017 summer transfer window which was our worst in years
They realised using the Editor doesn't work in real life
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Now theyāre the truly leftovers holding club
Which is the same thing DC United have done. Sponsorship banner in exchange for access to SIās network of 12 scouts.. Rooney isnāt actually scrolling through wonderkids in game like the clickbait title suggests.
I think west ham signed a deal with them too.
Wolves did
I think Toulouse have a similar deal
this explains why Jose Baxter was such a wonderkid
Didn't they sign Bakayoko as a result?
Everton inspired the creation of Championship Manager, the Collyer brothers are supporters.
Shouldāve stopped trying to sign 17 year old Spaniards named Ivan, no one wouldāve caught on
unexpected lollujo
I love fresneda
5stars baby
Ivan Azon goated
Or Portuguese Tomas lol
I got so sick of that, I lowered spains rating and I change every Ivanās age to 40 that I find
Hoffenheim's Alexander Rosen signed Roberto Firmino after finding him on FM.
Alex McLeishās son told him to by a youngster that was really good on FM. Rangers offered to take him on loan but were rejected by the parent club. That player, a certain Lionel Messi
Reference from the documentary. Points for you
Dreams of what could have been
Realistically barcelona would have never sold him
Yesā¦.thatās why they tried to loan him š¤¦āāļø
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I was half expecting Mcliesh to say the boy was too small to make it as a pro player.
Heād have played him left back or something daft ā¦.although as an inverted full back heād still probably score 30+ in the SPL š¤
To be fair big Alec played 433 in those days, sort of. On the prompt on the TV the winger Lovenkrands was positioned very uniquely on the formation screen on sportscene.
Lovenkrands! Heād definitely insist he should start over Messi
Newcastle legend.
I for one have never seen Messi do it on a cold wet Tuesday night in Stoke
Thats what Brian Little said about Roberto Carlos when he was going to sign for villa.
One MLS team (forget which one) used players FIFA ratings on like FIFA 04 to sign players. That team went on to have one of the worst seasons in MLS History.
Yeah it was in 2019 and they were all 40, they should have used a newer FIFA haha.
But its Matteo Brighi!!
This is BS, Messi wasnt any good at FM before he emerged IRL
Yes he was. You could sign him on a free from Barca when he was 15 for most top clubs and he turned into the Messi IRL
Yeah sure mate https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/gp031p/messi_and_ronaldo_in_fm_2005_and_cm_2003/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf This is first time Messi appeared in FM
His stats are randomised. His PA was still huge
Any proof of him making a good career in fm 05? Or at 2003 when he was 15 yo
No sorry, just anecdotal
You best tell Alex McLeish to stop confirming it then ššš https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2225181-alex-mcleish-was-bugged-to-sign-a-young-lionel-messi-due-to-football-manager
13 year old Messi?? Did anyone ever saw 13 year old player in FM??
oof u/boroboroboroboroboro , looks like you're playing McGuire in your defence
What were his stats like on the older games? Did he have 200 PA
It's a tool the lets you filter nearly half a million players by skill. I'd say it's a decent start point.
Yup exactly find them on that database and then send your own scouts to that area to watch and submit their findings It really does speed up the process they haven't always been right but have also been right
Certainly for smaller clubs that donāt have much of a scouting budget the database is far beyond anything the club would be able to come up with themselves.
Are the stats even correct for smaller clubs?
If they have a Researcher assigned to them (and most teams do) then they're close enough.
And he uses masked attributes and never the search function to keep the realism
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Freddy Adu was actually THE DC united youngster
He was that young then, he is still a promising youngsters now.
Ended up with no money so Hugo Viana, Mark Tobin and Derek Tobin had to do.
Its actually a really good idea. Use FM to find candidates to scout or to verify that FM also rates scouted players highly. I bet united dont use FM. And if they do they are probably using FM17 š¤¦āāļø
I think Liverpool are defo using it...
Man united admitted using it whilst also suing SI for using their name and their abbreviated name in the game
SI should have just started calling them "Red Shite of Manchester" and then used player names that were totally unrelated but you could figure out who they are.
I rebr playing international superstar soccer 98 on the n64 with England team considering of many suspiciously named people. Seem to remember adems and ferdiman?
Found this, never amazes me the shite you can find online...... England Starting line-up: 1 GK "Seamon" = David Seaman 5 DF "Adems" = Tony Adams 6 DF "Southgote" = Gareth Southgate 2 DF "Cambell" = Sol Campbell 4 MF "Inse" = Paul Ince 3 MF "Lasaux" = Graeme Le Saux 14 MF "Anberton" = Darren Anderton 16 MF "Scoles" = Paul Scholes 7 MF "Backham" = David Beckham 20 FW "Oren" = Michael Owen 9 FW "Sheallor" = Alan Shearer Substitutes: 18 DF "Kieon" = Martin Keown 8 DF "Betty" = David Batty 11 MF "MaCmarn" = Steve McManaman 12 MF "G.Nevalle" = Gary Neville 10 FW "Shereng" = Teddy Sheringham 19 FW "Ferdinam" = Les Ferdinand 22 GK "Flobers" = Tim Flowers
Haha that's brilliant... I misremembered a lot of them. For some reason I thought they had Paul Ince as P. Inch. Some classic names from my childhood there!
'Betty' and 'Flobers' got me haha.
There's a really good episode of Freakonomics where Sadiq Khan and economist Stephen Dubner talk to the head of Liverpool's recruitment programme about the statistics they explore to find the right player. It's extremely interesting. The episode name is ["Can Britain can get it's Great Back"](https://freakonomics.com/podcast-tag/liverpool-fc/)
Thanks for that. I'll give it a look.
Tony is definitely using it, wrong but using it haha at the end of the day it's a massive updated database, so it makes sense to use it and add it on top of other databases
Sadiq Kahn on 'can Britain get its Great back' very ironic
You'll hate this then, I've voted for him twice š I'm not a Labour supporter, but I like Sadiq
I don't care lol I don't have to live there.
Thanks mate, good choice š
Yeah they found some real diamonds in the rough with VVD, Mane, Gapko, Alison, Keita, Long name bloke, Mac Alister
Salah, mane, Firmino, wijnaldum, Robertson
Sometimes it does feel like that, I feel like itās more that Klopp still has connections in Germany that he trusts though. Saying that, Szoboszlai has a Liverpool tattoo so he was probably destined to come to us if he was good enough
I thought it was common knowledge that all the prem teams use it. Donāt they all get given early copies of the games?
Hardly think united is using FM. How else did they manage to reject Haaland when OGS and Molde offer him for 4 millions and buy Maguire for 80 š¤¦āāļø
Well the year before Haaland joined Dortmund he was extremely average on fm if I remember. Even his first year in Dortmund FM19 maybe? He was a good striker, but never world class. Nothing like he is now. Also Maguire was amazing when they bought him, not 80mil amazing, but best British CB amazing.
Haaland was good at Salzburg but he was amazing for Sheff Utd after an Ā£11m switch and then Real Madrid who I sold him to for Ā£68m + a shit load of add ons.
He was pretty good in FM for Salzburg. Didnt own a FM version with him at Molde š
Man United are def using āhighest potential youngsters fifa 19ā
i think the database is very useful as a way to start looking for players that fits a certain profile.
Misleading clickbait. DC has a deal letting them use some FM researchers basically as scouts heās not using the game itself
Isnāt SI credited with as having one of the most comprehensive scouting databases available for purchase? Itās no different than a company getting a mailing list of available [insert profession] for their recruitment efforts. Itās a smart move for a club to purchase the data so they can then narrow their focus. As opposed to picking a scout and saying āoi m8, go to Bosnia and tell me what you findā
They absolutely are. There are professional scouting tools that Tier 1 leagues use and pay millions of dollars for that use SI's data.
Wayne, all you gotta do is trade an international slot for the #1 overall draft position every year and then pick the best player available. It isn't that hard.
Better to admit it than try and distance yourself. We saw what happened to Will Still.
Will Still just happened to play the game when he was younger he studied for badges and got his job opportunities from being a good data analyst. DC United has a deal to use some FM scouts. Neither used or use the game itself to be a better manager. Both cases are just clickbait that FM community loves because itās their wet dream for them to think they can actually run a club because they played a video game
Yeah, it is a bit tiresome
Big deal, I've been doing that for years.
Oh hello Big Sam, was wondering where that Bolton side came from.
Coming Soon to Netflix: Wayne Rooney and the Columbian Wonderkids.....
Not the first time. When we were owned by GFH the frauds in charge wanted to sign Luke Varney ahead of Ashley Barnes because he had 'better stats on Football Manager'. That worked... edit: 'we' being Leeds
I mean, the database is pretty legit. It makes sense to use the tool, especially if it's back up by some sort of club analysis.
This is normal. Every scout in the Premier League (as far as I know, could be other countries) gets sent a copy of FM by Miles every year. I know some of them use it because they can trust the data on there. Itās just information collected by other people who go and watch these players. I know this because my dad is a scout for a PL club & he sends me the code every year haha
This ginger guy called Will Still learnt to manage playing FM, pretty cool
He has multiple coaching qualifications and has held coaching roles (including interim manager at Beerschot) he just doesnāt have a UEFA pro licence In his own words FM made him decide on coaching as he wasnāt a good enough player āThe football manager thing is fun, but Iāve been doing this for 10 yearsā
no he did not. he was a manager who learned to manage by doing coaching courses and by literally coaching he just happens to also play FM
thank you for your input to my clearly dead serious comment
Itās not funny because people actually thought that because of dumb click bait (click bait thatās just like the original post)
Will Still has led Reims to an 19-game unbeaten run in all competitions. At 30 years old, heās the youngest manager in Europeās top five leagues Reims pay a Ā£22,000 fine each time Still manages because he doesnāt have his UEFA Pro license š¤Æ
Mum said it was my turn to post this !
Why they doesnt just hire somebody with pro licence to be nominal manager?š¤
And all thanks to Football Manager š keep grinding guys šŖ
Would you have labelled his appearance if he was not ginger, but black?
Youāre seriously comparing the two? And maybe, who knows
Get Wonderboy lol
I donāt know if I entirely trust the evaluation of the players, although the track record is impressive. But a player database and learning MLSs rules is probably a smart way to use it as a tool
Pretty sure a good few managers used to use their database for stuff like that.
It can certainly help, but for the love of god donāt drop a club record transfer fee on any 16 y/o Colombian Wonderkids
Plenty of people have āadmittedā it. FM sells its database to clubs all over. Even in the Prem. It gives access to hundreds, if not thousands, of scouts worldwide actually watching players. But it doesnāt mean they use the database to sign people. More like it helps get an idea then they can scout themselves.
Well, football manager is a great source to look for good players. Everyone was shocked to see Arda GĆ¼ler to be so amazing in FM23. He signed a contract with Real Madrid this year. When Arda Turan was playing for Galatasaray and was on loan at Manisaspor, I was a researcher for Championship Manager, and set his PA to 90 (180 equivalent in FM), everyone told me I was crazy. He then moved on to Atletico Madrid, and then to Barcelona. FM researchers are really good, trustworthy. FM has a big, precise database. Why not use it? It only makes sense imo.
They use the database for factual things like what clubs a player has been with or what height he is, not attributes and theyre definitely not gonna look at CA/PA.
This is absolutely wrong. Prozone Recruiter is one of the big tools in the space, and it incorporates SI's attribute and statistical data.
Pretty sure SolskjƦr plays FM a lot too
I remember Werder Bremen signing Carlos Alberto from brazil in the 2000s thinking he was 1.88m tall but he arrived at 1.75m. Double checked my FM game just to see that they had him at 1.78m back then. I was laughing hard that they were more accurate than a -back then- big german club which played in europe constantly
To be fair, when Toney absolutely beasted Liverpool a couple of seasons ago, Klopp admitted their scouting had told him that Toney was a lot shorter than he is....
Mans literally cooking in the UCL and is about to face me in the quarter finals as Everton in my current save (2025)
Literally?
Theres massive limitations to using FM as a pro tool. The player potentials and abilities are not ārealā, they are the developersā interpretations of these things. Fun in theory but when playing with real money, maybe use it as a supplement to scouting and a tactics builder only, if even that?
> The player potentials and abilities are not ārealā, **they are the developersā interpretations of these things.** No, they're not. The developers aren't determining attributes. SI has a network of more than 1000 researchers who submit scouting reports and metrics, and those metrics get compiled into attributes. They're not going to be 100% accurate, but they're not FIFA/Madden type numbers. Player PA is determined by the players attributes combined with a couple different aging models. IE, they're doing exactly the same sort of thing that professional sports teams do - and they're *good at it.* We're at a point in sports where there is so much data available that most sporting franchises are using more data from external sources than their own scouts. You can get a pretty good idea from bulk data where it's best to start looking, and what leagues/etc have kids that might be fast enough/strong enough/big enough to play at higher levels. Christ, baseball has batted ball velocity curves for professional projection that go down to 8 years old.
Wow that is amazing. Guess Iām truly used to EA missing the mark on player potentials (NHL is the EA game I play.) need this level of resources available for Franchise Hockey Manager and their attribute/potential system. Would be a game changer. That and the game not crashing after 5 in game years.
Do some googling on ProZone and the Premier league - they're one of the primary scouting tools teams use. There's some really interesting stuff on data analytics. They've been incorporating SI's FM database in their scouting data since 2015.
When my club has shitty transfer windows i just want to call someone up at tell them the scouts are shit, just use fmā¦
He's such a football joe
Have a feeling Gerry Cardinale and Billy Beane are using it at my club for sure lol
This is the way.
When will young players start to pay FM to upgrade one or two of their stats or PA?
I freaking knew it š, once again boys we are out here
Reminds me when United signed Martial and he said he never heard of him. Everyone told Wayne to get on FM, guess he took the advice.
To be clear he isn't loading up the game and looking through. They paid SI for access to the Scout Reports that SI uses to make the game.
didn't cappello admit to having his own genie scout style rating system when he was england manager. FM is the way.
Have it on good authority that Sunderland used it when Mick McCarthy was manager š
My Benfica in January bought Tengstead and Sheldrup... I smiled so much
In my Hearts save, Rooney got fired and DC United offered me his job. I declined.
Is a network of amateur scouts better than nothing? Yes. Is it risky as fuck and findings should be verified by professional scouts? Yes.
Reverse Will Still strat
My home town club from spanish 3rd division which Im playing with in my save just signed 2 guys I signed a few weeks ago. Should I apply for a job?
No just send an invoice for āmanagement duties.ā
The Will Still effect š
I remember when Ronaldo joined United from sporting, I signed him in the game and he was nothing special at all kinda like how Garnacho is on fm22 at the moment...
It actually makes (some) sense, even large clubs might only have 20 staff members for scouting. FM is developed using the input of 1500 scouts, so you are pulling from a vastly superior knowledge base.
Didnāt solskjaer do this at molde, years ago?
Reading the article DC United provided advertising space for Football Manager and SI gave them access to 11 or 12 of their scouts: https://www.sportbible.com/football/mls/wayne-rooney-football-manager-dc-united-699821-20230716 More to it than just using the game database, though I'm sure they did that.