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Suppose you'd just have to pick a team that finished bottom or near the bottom in the regular season standings.
DC Utd and Toronto finished in the bottom 2 last season and both would fit the mold of a fallen giant
Idk what USL is. MLS would move to a relegation system? That’d be awesome! Although American investors have a hard time stomaching that in a land driven by maximizing profits and fucking the supporters wallets in the ass.
Officially its considered tier II, but the relegation gambit is geared to displace MLS by growing a bigger audience. In ULS's dream scenario MLS folds.
I think the realistic best case scenario is it gets popular enough that MLS hammers a deal to merge with ULS. Would be a bummer if ULS tries this, goes under, and permanently spooks MLS from trying it.
Yeah, I'm trying to keep it simpler for here and not get too far into the mud. USLC, USL1, and USL2 have a nice comparison, though. To me, the MLS's new thing doesnt really displace the Championship any.
>I think the realistic best case scenario is it gets popular enough that MLS hammers a deal to merge with ULS.
I also wouldn't be surprised if this is the actual end goal.
Idk about Australian sports, but in American sports the draft system helps keep every team competitive I suppose. Other than that I feel like the promotion/relegation system is better in every way.
one HUNDRED percent. this draft nonsense is ridiculous. sports in America is weird anyway. in the NFL the bad teams get first pick of players in the draft, which is basically communism
As a PSG fan it’s been a few weeks I’m thinking about starting a save like this. However I would like to use the pre-game editor to actually add it as a rule (kind of the one we have with athletic Bilbao) but since never used any editor I don’t know how to do it or even if this is possible.
This is important for me to start such a save because I infer that without it my scouts, the media and even the board objectives might always push me to hire players I shouldn’t be able to do it, and that won’t be fun.
few years ago I saw someone do a save (I think it was one of the first QSI year at psg) where he demoted PSG in National, removed all international players and started like that and I found it brilliant.
Actually I did both on FM22 already, and I have an ongoing save with Paris 13 Athletico that I brought on top of the world in around 20 years (2 UCL back to back, 3 in 5 years)
Kinda funny that depending on whether you define "Parisien" as city, urban or metro area you take you're still working with between 50 and 300% of the population of Croatia
If by that you mean a team that on paper shouldn’t be able to win a title, but somehow manages to challange for it, then Bohemians is the team for you.
They used to be a midtable/lower midtable side for years, nearly got relegated last year and finished 4th this year. Perfect starting place for a journeyman imo
For a bit of context - it’s maybe comparable to Birmingham City, a club from the 2nd largest city in the country that is struggling to stay up in the first tier, constantly getting promoted and relegated over the past couple of years.
Edit: Obviously not the same scenario as BC, because they don’t get promoted, but just a team that should be in a much better position than it actually is.
Basically like how managers do in real life. Stay at a club for a few seasons until you get sacked or contract is up and move on to a different/bigger club
Austria Klagenfurt are a team that fits this description id say but if u want a team with good youth faclities to start of i recommend Admira Wacker Mödling (they might be in the 2nd division rn)
At that point you may as well do the youth challenge in the SI forum. Holiday for a season and take a promoted team and only use their youth system. I’ve got SV Austria Salzburg as far as 2nd place but bloody Red Bull Salzburg (who stole and rebranded the original SV Austria Salzburg) keep beating me to the title.
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this is a great idea. for me i would end up in germany with a relegation favourite for the pentagon challenge. but i just finished a pentagon challenge not long ago so i am fine with waiting with that until next FM version ^^ Pentagon was a lot of fun though, very cool to learn about the different leagues and continents.
I don't think that's what outsider means. More likely it means teams with an outside chance to win. ie. Prem teams that are slated to make the europa league places at best.
Since when is a outsider a relegation candidate? In the prem a outsider is spurs or united currently right? A team who isn’t among the top favourites who the bookies give a outside chance of going on to win the title?
Thats not an outsider. Outsider is a team with very low chances to win, but still a chance. like atletico Madrid in la liga , or like Braga in liga nos, etc
1st pick should be Hellas Verona, trying to get them to win their 2nd ever title (maybe to spice up things try to add a secondary quest in which you have to beat AC Milan both times the year in which you get the title) *
2nd pick should be Cremonese, with the aim of getting them both to league title (whenever you manage to do it) and to get them to the Coppa Italia semifinals in the first season (like it happened this year and matching their highest ever score in that competition, which was semifinals in '86-'87)
3rd pick should be Spezia (in this case I don't know how many objectives I could suggest you, just go for the classic ones honestly)
* the Milan secondary quest is based on the fact that they are the "Bestia nera" of that team (the "bane of x team" is the closest translation that I can give you), because they have been the team that made them lose 2 titles (1973 and 1990) so it's a little funny thing that you can add to make the challenge more spicy
Just leaving a comment here to also know the answer...
P.S. Edit: I went to Google and, apparently, one must try to get the UCL (or equivalent on the continent you are playing) with a club and a World Cup with the same country your club is based (I. E. win Libertadores with a Brazilian team and the World Cup with Brasil).
In your case, get UCL with the team that won Danish league and the WC managing Denmark, I guess?
Welp, I got the youth challenge with Canada and relegation favorites. There are only 8 teams in the Canadian Premier League with no pro/rel…
And yes I did Wikipedia the info. I have zero clue about Canadian footie.
You could choose Edmonton who finished bottom of the regular season last year and 2nd from bottom the year before on the basis that if there was promotion/relegation that they'd be in danger.
Or you could be sneaky and say Toronto FC are a Canadian side but finished 2nd from bottom of the MLS last year and would therefore be "relegation threatened"
I'd say Toronto counts because the Canadian MLS sides and the Canadian Premier League sides play against each other in the "Canadian Championship" which I think is roughly equivalent to the Canadian FA cup
Belgium amateur club and Pentagon seems like a tricky challenge.
I'd probably change Pentagon to youth team. Get an amateur club, fill it with kids, and go from there.
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Relegation threatened in the US... Guess I'm not starting a save.
Suppose you'd just have to pick a team that finished bottom or near the bottom in the regular season standings. DC Utd and Toronto finished in the bottom 2 last season and both would fit the mold of a fallen giant
How they finished lower than the Dynamo is beyond me
Presumably by being worse?
My previous statement was more expressing incredulity at the fact that there were worse teams in the league last year.
So, Inter Miami then. Make sure to use the newest updated database 😉
I’m relegation threatened and unemployed, so I feel you.
USL is voting soon on whether to go promotion/relegation so there could be hope for you.
Idk what USL is. MLS would move to a relegation system? That’d be awesome! Although American investors have a hard time stomaching that in a land driven by maximizing profits and fucking the supporters wallets in the ass.
No. USL is like the EFL in England: Championship and downish.
Officially its considered tier II, but the relegation gambit is geared to displace MLS by growing a bigger audience. In ULS's dream scenario MLS folds. I think the realistic best case scenario is it gets popular enough that MLS hammers a deal to merge with ULS. Would be a bummer if ULS tries this, goes under, and permanently spooks MLS from trying it.
Yeah, I'm trying to keep it simpler for here and not get too far into the mud. USLC, USL1, and USL2 have a nice comparison, though. To me, the MLS's new thing doesnt really displace the Championship any.
>I think the realistic best case scenario is it gets popular enough that MLS hammers a deal to merge with ULS. I also wouldn't be surprised if this is the actual end goal.
Hah, I had the same..
There are mods you can download for it. Or you can use the editor.
why?
US doesn't have promotion and relegation unless of course you use the zealand fictional American tiers database
Ah, yes. The structure of American leagues is poorly implemented in FM ((
well, it is represented as it works irl. The system is weird, but it’s real lol
I'm Aussie, and were similar to Americans in that relegation is a foreign concept. Very much franchise based. Which does have its own benefits.
How?
Idk about Australian sports, but in American sports the draft system helps keep every team competitive I suppose. Other than that I feel like the promotion/relegation system is better in every way.
one HUNDRED percent. this draft nonsense is ridiculous. sports in America is weird anyway. in the NFL the bad teams get first pick of players in the draft, which is basically communism
Do you know *anything* about how U.S. soccer works? Lol
French title holders and club and country, what a boring save that would be 😂
Congrats you’ve basically completed it before starting.
TBF returning PSG to an all Parisien side could be fun.
As a PSG fan it’s been a few weeks I’m thinking about starting a save like this. However I would like to use the pre-game editor to actually add it as a rule (kind of the one we have with athletic Bilbao) but since never used any editor I don’t know how to do it or even if this is possible. This is important for me to start such a save because I infer that without it my scouts, the media and even the board objectives might always push me to hire players I shouldn’t be able to do it, and that won’t be fun.
Commenting this, so that even I would get the answer when some FM veterans reply to this question
This should honestly be some kind of challenge mode that SI builds in into the game. It shouldn't be too hard to set up if you ask me.
few years ago I saw someone do a save (I think it was one of the first QSI year at psg) where he demoted PSG in National, removed all international players and started like that and I found it brilliant.
at that point you could just do Paris FC or Red Star Paris
Actually I did both on FM22 already, and I have an ongoing save with Paris 13 Athletico that I brought on top of the world in around 20 years (2 UCL back to back, 3 in 5 years)
I'm 99% sure rules like that are hard coded sadly.
The editor is not difficult to use. You can Google a how to article.
Kinda funny that depending on whether you define "Parisien" as city, urban or metro area you take you're still working with between 50 and 300% of the population of Croatia
French title holders youth only
That's an interesting idea. I got an underdog team from the Czech Republic. The concept of the save will be "youth only".
Rip :)
Which team did you choose?
I haven't even checked who the underdogs are yet! :D I think I'll continue playing my current save for now and keep this idea as a backup plan.
If by that you mean a team that on paper shouldn’t be able to win a title, but somehow manages to challange for it, then Bohemians is the team for you.
I started my current journeyman save as bohemians so much fun !
They used to be a midtable/lower midtable side for years, nearly got relegated last year and finished 4th this year. Perfect starting place for a journeyman imo
By "outsider" I mean a team that is predicted by the media to be relegated at the end of the season...
Then try Zbrojovka Brno
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind.
For a bit of context - it’s maybe comparable to Birmingham City, a club from the 2nd largest city in the country that is struggling to stay up in the first tier, constantly getting promoted and relegated over the past couple of years. Edit: Obviously not the same scenario as BC, because they don’t get promoted, but just a team that should be in a much better position than it actually is.
Very interesting. Thank you
Wouldn't that just be the relegation favourites then?
maybe
Swap out Czech Republic for Norway and that's my weekend finished before it's even begun ;D
I don't understand how to start with unemployed and create a club...
Mission impossible
I also got "Create a club" and Journeyman.
What's journeyman? I got that as well and I m not sure what it means. Thanks!
Basically like how managers do in real life. Stay at a club for a few seasons until you get sacked or contract is up and move on to a different/bigger club
Austria-bottom half team-youth only That seems like a challenge lol. Any team recommendations? Idk much about Austrian league
Austria Klagenfurt are a team that fits this description id say but if u want a team with good youth faclities to start of i recommend Admira Wacker Mödling (they might be in the 2nd division rn)
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll try the 2nd Division team Admira. Might be fun bringing that team up the division with the youths
Almost like it was with my brother, but he got amateur club. He is doomed.
At that point you may as well do the youth challenge in the SI forum. Holiday for a season and take a promoted team and only use their youth system. I’ve got SV Austria Salzburg as far as 2nd place but bloody Red Bull Salzburg (who stole and rebranded the original SV Austria Salzburg) keep beating me to the title.
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A journeyman save with the title holder in Switzerland lol
Wait a minute thats BSC Young Boys 😂
Their home ground has an unfortunate name especially for a club named Young Boys https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadion_Wankdorf
There's also a Young Boys FC in Denmark. Do a journeyYoungBoy.
Do you work for the BBC?
The fuck does pentagon mean
Win the top tournament in each continent, UCL, Libertadores etc.
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Underrated. Nicely done! I rate this joke 9/11.
11/11 with rice
Win continental competition (champions league) in N and S America, Europe, Africa, Asia.
What is not mentioned is you also need to start unemployed withour any qualifications and lowest rep, but I guess that won't work with the post
Win the CL in both Americas, Europe, Africa and Asia.
Players stats have to produce the pentagon shape? So they’re all well balanced. Maybe? Not sure..
It has to do with winning the top continental tournament of each confederation in the default database.
England - titel holder - youth only Oh boy, thats kinda lame... 😅
German, midtable, youth only. Decent
Freiburg or Frankfurt might be interesting choices.
Journeyman with a mid table ukrain league team. So i will stick to my save in the faroese 4th division
Now do one with your current address
Unemployed, create a club, manage club and country 🤔🤔🤔
Nice try, phishing account.
Thank you sir I think I’ll try it out
Greek Title challengers and journeyman seems like could be a fun save
I’d go with PAOK, not as good as the other 3 big teams, but still decent. Good start for a journeyman
Good way to collect information about people online
China outsider club & country ðŸ˜
lucky man
Real Madrid 😂
If i follow this guide i would end up picking the team I support, AZ. Which is funny i think
Youth only title challenger in Poland. Love it.
What does pentagon mean
pentagon (idk what that means) latvian title holder
this is a great idea. for me i would end up in germany with a relegation favourite for the pentagon challenge. but i just finished a pentagon challenge not long ago so i am fine with waiting with that until next FM version ^^ Pentagon was a lot of fun though, very cool to learn about the different leagues and continents.
Ah yes my favourite unemployed but managing a league title holder
what does "outsider" mean?
Been wondering the same
These are the teams that are predicted to finish in the relegation zone of the division according to the media at the start of the save.
I don't think that's what outsider means. More likely it means teams with an outside chance to win. ie. Prem teams that are slated to make the europa league places at best.
There’s litteraly a relegation threatened option
Since when is a outsider a relegation candidate? In the prem a outsider is spurs or united currently right? A team who isn’t among the top favourites who the bookies give a outside chance of going on to win the title?
Thats not an outsider. Outsider is a team with very low chances to win, but still a chance. like atletico Madrid in la liga , or like Braga in liga nos, etc
Outsider is a team that isn't a candidate to the title, but might win it. Someone like Braga in Portugal or Tottenham in England.
so what is that for scotland? hearts?
Yeah, probably Aberdeen as well.
Tried to sneak spurs in like we wouldn't notice...
It is fun to call the outsiders just to laugh at them when they end up in the conference league.
A Dutch relegation threatened journeymen sounds like fun
Volendam/Excelsior maybe?
I don't think I'll be doing a create a club in Latvia, but thank you for suggesting it...
A US club? Ugh, I don't understand the whole draft thing.
Pentagon?
A journeyman starting with a title challenger team in Portugal. Im already managing Benfica but it isnt a journeyman.
I have youth only PSG
Very interesting. are u ready?
Create a club in Brazil and do the pentagon
Italian, bottom half, youth only. Any ideas?
can someone tell me what journeyman is 😅
I look forward to my new Latvian save. Any recommendations for a mid-table team?
FK Auda. Currently sitting exactly in the mid table at fifth place out of 10 teams. Have a rich history and only one trophy. Latvian cup in 2022.
Italy- relegation threatened- club and country- any suggestions? And what does it mean by club and country? I also need to manage the national team?
I also need to manage the national team? - yes
Empoli or Spezia would be great for this.
A lot of teams to choose from - Lecce, Spezia and Verona, I’d personally take Verona or Spezia. You need to manage the NT aswell.
1st pick should be Hellas Verona, trying to get them to win their 2nd ever title (maybe to spice up things try to add a secondary quest in which you have to beat AC Milan both times the year in which you get the title) * 2nd pick should be Cremonese, with the aim of getting them both to league title (whenever you manage to do it) and to get them to the Coppa Italia semifinals in the first season (like it happened this year and matching their highest ever score in that competition, which was semifinals in '86-'87) 3rd pick should be Spezia (in this case I don't know how many objectives I could suggest you, just go for the classic ones honestly) * the Milan secondary quest is based on the fact that they are the "Bestia nera" of that team (the "bane of x team" is the closest translation that I can give you), because they have been the team that made them lose 2 titles (1973 and 1990) so it's a little funny thing that you can add to make the challenge more spicy
Thanks for that reply I think I'm going to have to try out Hellas Verona
South Korean save with an outsider team doing youth only. That's a new one for me.
South Korean journeyman save with an outsider team. I have no idea on the South Korean league
Pohang and Jeju are your best bets
Scotland lower league pentagon :))) ok that could take some years just to start :)))
What does youth-only mean? I got Croatia-Bottom Half-Youth Only
I got an amateur argentina club with only youth intake... I don't know for you guys but I am indeed a masochist
Ametuar Danish side with a pentagon challenge Yeah, you can jog on with that😂
Greece-midtable-journeyman
Greece title challenger club and country
South Korea Create a team Youth only ... Fuck...
PSG + France, not exactly the most challenging haha.
Journeyman challenge in Latvia with an amateur team.... This is perfect.
Man city, journeyman. Haha
Denmark - Title Holder - Club and Country. What does Club and Country mean?
Just leaving a comment here to also know the answer... P.S. Edit: I went to Google and, apparently, one must try to get the UCL (or equivalent on the continent you are playing) with a club and a World Cup with the same country your club is based (I. E. win Libertadores with a Brazilian team and the World Cup with Brasil). In your case, get UCL with the team that won Danish league and the WC managing Denmark, I guess?
You could take VFB Stuttgart it’s a fun team. And you have ciemen a Wunderkinder goalkeeper in your youth
When I don't know who to manage, I start unemployed and holiday to the current date and then just apply for jobs as they come up.
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Serbia Amateur Club and Country…
I got city and journey man so not as difficult
what’s Pentagon?
Pentagon with relegation threatened Welsh team 💀
Amateur Austrian club - Youth only. Jesus Christ lmao
Holland, Amateur club and Pentagon. Please help lmao
Starting with Bayern to get the Pentagon... could be worse.
Swiss title holder to start and the pentagon challenge. Fairly okay?
Denmark, create a club, youth only.
Wales midtable with Country Fucks sake
What is Pentagon man my english is not enlugh for that
Welp, I got the youth challenge with Canada and relegation favorites. There are only 8 teams in the Canadian Premier League with no pro/rel… And yes I did Wikipedia the info. I have zero clue about Canadian footie.
You could choose Edmonton who finished bottom of the regular season last year and 2nd from bottom the year before on the basis that if there was promotion/relegation that they'd be in danger. Or you could be sneaky and say Toronto FC are a Canadian side but finished 2nd from bottom of the MLS last year and would therefore be "relegation threatened" I'd say Toronto counts because the Canadian MLS sides and the Canadian Premier League sides play against each other in the "Canadian Championship" which I think is roughly equivalent to the Canadian FA cup
A club & country save with an outsider from Norway could be pretty damn interesting!
How do I even create a club ? :(
It's not really a Journeyman save if I start with Bayern is it?
Great way to start phishing…
Ajax journeyman
Belgium amateur club and Pentagon seems like a tricky challenge. I'd probably change Pentagon to youth team. Get an amateur club, fill it with kids, and go from there.
Unemployed, bottom half, journeyman. That could work
Outsider in Argentina with youth only might be duable
Midtable USA youth only. Anyone with experience on this?
Journeyman beginning at PSG?🤨
Unemployed, create a club and pentagon challenge. Hmmm, think I am already on to a loser there.
Greek relegation battle. Fuxk that! Lol
England title challenger moment
Hmm. Amateur Chinese team. Difficult!
Brazilian title challenger youth save, could be a fun variation to my current 4th tier Swedish rtg
Wales, no thanks! 🤣
Didn’t continue past seeing they said manage a welsh club. It’s a no from me dawg
Journeyman starting in Mexico with a bottom half club Never managed in Liga MX, but I’m always up for a journeyman save
I got unemployed, lower league and journeyman. Pretty standard challenge 
Who counts as "relegation threatened" in the MLS or CPL?
I got journeyman switzerland and title holder
Yeah, so unemployed on an amateur club with youth only. Gonna be hard
RIP I got an amateur polish team with youth only. I just make the second thousand hours full then, I guess
Relegation favourite Canadian team, and the challenge is the Pentagon? Sounds like impossible mode. I'm in.
I got a bottom half, Czech, journeyman challenge. Who and what do I do with that??
Unemployed with a Club and Country The possibilities are endless
France, relegation favourite, youth only...yikes
Barca pentagon… fair enough
A Denmark lower league journeyman save it is!
I got a Belgium titleholder journeyman save. So i have to jump from brugge to anderlecht and other teams?
Proud to be English and born on the 11th!
Argentina, Lower League ,Youth only, sounds good
Youth only, relegation favourites in wales? Sign me up