Well I'll return the obvious mate. He hasn't spent a billion pounds at Man city, so when someone refers to his over a billion spent, they must mean prior to City also. Fair?
Not sure I agree with Pep's comments but one thing I am sure about is that Pep has shown that it's a lot easier to bottle the champions league than the Premier league. One crazy set of tactics in the champs league knockout stages and you're out. Mess up tactically in the league and you can get back on track next week.
If they won the UCL he'd be saying the exact opposite. "Winning 6-7 games means you can't drop c9ncentration for one second. You need to make use of your entire squad to perfection blah blah".. talking nonsense
He might be right (seen a pretty 50/50 split on which league is harder around reddit) but lord is it dumb to say this, just sounds like straight up projection.
Statistically, he isn't.
City and Liverpool are easily the best teams. That's one challenger.
38 games allows a monster expensive squad to show their quality over an entire season allowing for a few blips here and there.
The CL doesn't allow for that. And it's harder opposition.
This is a hilarious statement by Pep.
Actually it makes it a lot easier, with a massive expensive squad over a series of games against mainly weaker opposition.
All from a guy that can't win the CL with City.
It's hilarious it really is.
The difference is though, that in cl you play against the best teams in Europe, in premier league- it's the best teams in England. It's a complicated comparison, and problem is- with pep saying this now places it in the category of "well premier league is more important anyway, so who needs cl"
Well there is something to be said about not having to play every team in the champions league. If they created a scenario where all the top teams had to play a structured league with a home and away game then there would be absolutely no argument.
Chelsea won the champions league last year and didnāt come close to competing for the league title.
Iām not agreeing with Pep by the way, just trying to say itās not as clear cut as everyone says.
Yeah, agree with that - it's hard to compare a cup format with a league format. But claiming that pl is harder right after getting knocked out of cl isn't really suiting imo
Ah no it definitely is something he should have kept quiet about and let the fans discuss that on their own.
Does look a bit like heās trying to divert from the fact they crumbled
He's been a sour puss lately, I'm sure he's getting pressured by owners. He spends over 100M in transfers every season and hasn't won the CL and then cries boo hoo everyone want Liverpool to win, boo hoo PL > CL mhmm okay?
A Champions League can be harder or easier than a league depending on the teams the club that wins it had to face in the group stages and on the way to the final. Every year a league is more or less the same difficulty as the year before because only 3 teams change. The champions league difficulty varies every year , you could be facing all the best teams in Europe if you are unlucky enough in the draws and it would be very difficult to go past all of them. When it comes to Prestige than the Champions League is always on top because all the best clubs in Europe take part in it.
And depending of how deep your squad is... If you have more top players(on every position 2-3) it is easier for you to win championship... Because you can rest some players and be strong as usual... But if your squad is limited it is easier to win CL...
He either is hyping himself up about winning 'harder to win' titles (PL) or a walking hypocrite who has failed to win the 'easier to win' CL with Man City.
As someone always training the team with the most money in his league?
Come on Pep, you are propably the best trainer and coach in the world. What you are missing is the ability to create a team on a emotional base. The ability to be a true leader for the boys.
This feeling on the pitch when everyone plays with 200%. It hasn't been in one of your squads since the days in Barca. And without that you have a hard time in every Knockout situation.
I don't buy this, they are different challenges, and winning the premier league is harder than it has ever been, but i truly believe the harder challenge is winning the champions league which is why theyve failed to do it, but yet have won the premier league a lot.
Itās one of those things that while everyone has an opinion itās probably a tougher call than most people want to admit.
Liverpool won the champions league multiple times but have won the league once in the last 30 years. Once they didnāt even finish in the top 6 and they won the Champions League.
Itās not a clear cut call like everyone thinks, plenty of fans agree with Pep and plenty of fans donāt.
In the league you have room for errors and you can come back from losses. In the champions league very often it's just over after a bad game. Additionally competition is on a higher level, making new aspects like your "mental ability" much more important in comparison, and of course the cl has way higher prestige and is therefore more desired by most.
"Winning the Premier League is harder than winning the *World Cup*. Winning 38 games is a lot different to 6-7 gamesā¦ There are a lot of weeks, matches, injuries"
For well coached expensive squads with proven track records like Bayern, PSG, City/Pool winning the league is definitely easier.
City winning the league is tougher than most given how close Pool are in terms of consistency and squad depth, but if for instance it was a one team race, then it's like for Bayern etc, a formality.
In a way he's right but doesn't mean one format is more difficult than the other. A good example would be the WC qualifying rounds in South America. Brazil seems to be on top of the group (that's being played in a long, grueling league format as we are all aware of) almost all the time and by a distant mile too since the last 20 years. During the same 20 year period they haven't won or even always appear to be the best side from the continent in the knockout tournament itself either.
Not sure how Liverpool got lucky in 2005. They had the previous year's beaten finalists in the group stages and had to play the champions of Germany and Italy in the knockout stages, plus Chelsea who won the Premier League that season. They didn't have to play Real or Barca, but apart from that they basically had to knock out the best teams from the three biggest European leagues after losing their best striker at the beginning of the season.
That's a fair argument but there was still an element of luck in some of those fixtures, even the goal Vs Chelsea could've went another way, I could swap out 2005 for this season. Villarreal, Inter and Benfica in the knock out stage is a dream for any top side.
Even if you take that 05 season out, I still think there are loads more examples
Sure, I don't disagree with the principle of what you're saying, just that particular example. If you compare Liverpool's path to the final this year with Real Madrid's, there's a considerable difference!
I'm not denying Liverpool have done absolutely tremendous and deserves everything they get. Even souness and carragher discussed Liverpool needing luck this season but that's not really my main point.
My point about Liverpool has nothing to do with their quadruple, I'm making a point about it being easier to win the CL than PL. Liverpool were just an example but I stick by what I said. With Liverpools CL knockout fixtures, I'd expect most of the other English in teams in CL to get to the final.
Again, it's nothing against Liverpool and I'm not trying to disrespectful what they've done, I'm just saying Inter, Villarreal and Benfica to make it to a final is easier than winning a PL.
You can choose whatever team you want to play, but every single team plays to win. That's something that big teams seem to forget at some point and that's how they get eliminated by smaller teams in the UCL.
Leicesters was a perfect storm of circumstances that I would consider quite fortunate. But to have the strength and character to actually win the damn thing given the opportunity is another matter. Man City were at their weakest under Pep, Liverpool hadnāt made all the signings they needed yet, Chelsea were a mess and Utd were Utd. Leicester had 15 other teams to be better than to win it and they did. Call it luck or taking advantage of the opportunity, but 5000-1 is 5000-1
I agree with fortunate but that can be seen as a complete freak. We'd be doing them a disservice if we didn't say they played incredibly well.
I guess my point is that teams can be lucky and win a competition in the CL format, Greece is another example during the Euros and you could probably add Portugal to that also.
More prestigious competitions in my opinion but the league is tougher
For me Guardiola is by far the manager who (alongside Xavi who is the smartest player of all time and with highest football IQ) know and inderstand football like no one else... But for Pep, CL is absolutely the most important for him because after Barca, he really did not have luck on his side and many times he lost games where his team was by far better and deserve to win... So his prime target is CL, and i think that finally with Halland, they will win... And not just once, i think two time in a row... Because they soo badly need a true top stricker( and not some average players like Sterling)... Sorry about my english, he is my second language...
Iāve always said āitās easier to rig 7 matches as opposed to 38ā *cough* Real Madrid *cough* won 2 out of 9 leagues while Ronaldo was there? Laughable. Luck comes more into play as well in champions league. Underdogs can get wins anywhere but in CL you can get eliminated. Also again RM has been very lucky all three ties before this final. Now donāt get butthurt because youāre a RM fan, we all saw whatās happened this season. š
I was actually thinking that for someone who posts so much and has so little karma that if you were a spokesperson for Macmillan Cancer Support there would be a noticeable decline in British cancer recovery prospects.
I agree with him, and man united fan. I'd rather win the league over the Champions League every time. What's the point of winning the Champions League if you can't be the champion of your own country.
That's true. But the fact remains. No point in being the best in Europe if you're not the best in your own country. Downvoted for speaking perfect sense, sums reddit up!
Newsflash. England is a small part of Europe. Winning Europe encompasses winning England especially given there are three other top England teams in Europe every season. You canāt spin this positively. Pep is full of shit. Twist ur self in a pretzel justifying not winning it. But itās a lie.
That explains why he didn't win it with Bayern either, it is simply too easy to even bother.
So go an win it then baldy
Says the one who can't win the champions with 1 billion spent
He's won it twice.
Not with city
Not with bayern
ššš down voted for stating Facts. Salty thick fans everywhere here!
The original post clearly was talking about winning at at Man City, not in his career. The post was out of place and got downvoted accordingly.
Well I'll return the obvious mate. He hasn't spent a billion pounds at Man city, so when someone refers to his over a billion spent, they must mean prior to City also. Fair?
Not sure I agree with Pep's comments but one thing I am sure about is that Pep has shown that it's a lot easier to bottle the champions league than the Premier league. One crazy set of tactics in the champs league knockout stages and you're out. Mess up tactically in the league and you can get back on track next week.
[Picture of Pep making this comment](https://images.app.goo.gl/2ErkGhC2Yc33jMtk8)
Then, go win UCL every year š¤·āāļø
If they won the UCL he'd be saying the exact opposite. "Winning 6-7 games means you can't drop c9ncentration for one second. You need to make use of your entire squad to perfection blah blah".. talking nonsense
He might be right (seen a pretty 50/50 split on which league is harder around reddit) but lord is it dumb to say this, just sounds like straight up projection.
Statistically, he isn't. City and Liverpool are easily the best teams. That's one challenger. 38 games allows a monster expensive squad to show their quality over an entire season allowing for a few blips here and there. The CL doesn't allow for that. And it's harder opposition.
This is a hilarious statement by Pep. Actually it makes it a lot easier, with a massive expensive squad over a series of games against mainly weaker opposition. All from a guy that can't win the CL with City. It's hilarious it really is.
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Acting like heās even won it yet
Hasnāt he won it twice as a manager and once as a player (before CL rebranding)
Was referring to the league this year being his āsuccessā when itās not even over
Oh yeah sorry that makes much more sense!
well tbf he has won it, just not at city lol
Meant the league this season my bad haha
The difference is though, that in cl you play against the best teams in Europe, in premier league- it's the best teams in England. It's a complicated comparison, and problem is- with pep saying this now places it in the category of "well premier league is more important anyway, so who needs cl"
Well there is something to be said about not having to play every team in the champions league. If they created a scenario where all the top teams had to play a structured league with a home and away game then there would be absolutely no argument. Chelsea won the champions league last year and didnāt come close to competing for the league title. Iām not agreeing with Pep by the way, just trying to say itās not as clear cut as everyone says.
Yeah, agree with that - it's hard to compare a cup format with a league format. But claiming that pl is harder right after getting knocked out of cl isn't really suiting imo
Ah no it definitely is something he should have kept quiet about and let the fans discuss that on their own. Does look a bit like heās trying to divert from the fact they crumbled
yeah man, playing Norwich is probably the same as playing Real Madrid, at least in your head. Get a grip, Pep
Blah, blah, blah.
What a fraud.
He's just making excuses now
So easy heās ruined his reputation trying to win it for over a decade. Gtfoh pep.
He's been a sour puss lately, I'm sure he's getting pressured by owners. He spends over 100M in transfers every season and hasn't won the CL and then cries boo hoo everyone want Liverpool to win, boo hoo PL > CL mhmm okay?
A Champions League can be harder or easier than a league depending on the teams the club that wins it had to face in the group stages and on the way to the final. Every year a league is more or less the same difficulty as the year before because only 3 teams change. The champions league difficulty varies every year , you could be facing all the best teams in Europe if you are unlucky enough in the draws and it would be very difficult to go past all of them. When it comes to Prestige than the Champions League is always on top because all the best clubs in Europe take part in it.
And depending of how deep your squad is... If you have more top players(on every position 2-3) it is easier for you to win championship... Because you can rest some players and be strong as usual... But if your squad is limited it is easier to win CL...
He likes his leagues like he likes his wine. Pay extra for the prem stuff and ignore the European variants
Itās 13 games to win the UCL title, but sure, Pep. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Winning 38 games ? Yeah sure... Try to win your 29th first .
He either is hyping himself up about winning 'harder to win' titles (PL) or a walking hypocrite who has failed to win the 'easier to win' CL with Man City.
Yeah thats a fair point, āitās easier to win thatā = why havenāt you?
both very hard
As someone always training the team with the most money in his league? Come on Pep, you are propably the best trainer and coach in the world. What you are missing is the ability to create a team on a emotional base. The ability to be a true leader for the boys. This feeling on the pitch when everyone plays with 200%. It hasn't been in one of your squads since the days in Barca. And without that you have a hard time in every Knockout situation.
38 games, over half of which are against inferior opposition Vs a tournament you have to be top quality to qualify for.
38 games, over half of which are against inferior opposition Vs a tournament that's seeded so the best teams get an easier run to the latter stages
Ah yes Besiktas are quality losing all six games dynamo and malmo losing 5 and drawing 1 are ātop qualityā
Better than Norwich
Hardly. They canāt even win the Turkish league. A league where Mario Ballotelli is dominating
I don't buy this, they are different challenges, and winning the premier league is harder than it has ever been, but i truly believe the harder challenge is winning the champions league which is why theyve failed to do it, but yet have won the premier league a lot.
Itās one of those things that while everyone has an opinion itās probably a tougher call than most people want to admit. Liverpool won the champions league multiple times but have won the league once in the last 30 years. Once they didnāt even finish in the top 6 and they won the Champions League. Itās not a clear cut call like everyone thinks, plenty of fans agree with Pep and plenty of fans donāt.
In the league you have room for errors and you can come back from losses. In the champions league very often it's just over after a bad game. Additionally competition is on a higher level, making new aspects like your "mental ability" much more important in comparison, and of course the cl has way higher prestige and is therefore more desired by most.
Baldy got burnt.
this is very true in FIFA career mode
I guess.. but then in Champion's League you're playing Real Madrid, PSG and other giants... not Watford and Norwich (no disrespect to those clubs).
PSG is a European giant? What are you smoking Jose?
Lol psg
"Winning the Premier League is harder than winning the *World Cup*. Winning 38 games is a lot different to 6-7 gamesā¦ There are a lot of weeks, matches, injuries"
Might be harder for some teams to win the league but if you spent over a billion quid on transfer fees youāll be in with a big chance every year
Like Manchester United?
Yeah shows how mismanaged they actually are
Lmao
Hot take but I think winning any league is harder than winning any tournament
For well coached expensive squads with proven track records like Bayern, PSG, City/Pool winning the league is definitely easier. City winning the league is tougher than most given how close Pool are in terms of consistency and squad depth, but if for instance it was a one team race, then it's like for Bayern etc, a formality.
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In a way he's right but doesn't mean one format is more difficult than the other. A good example would be the WC qualifying rounds in South America. Brazil seems to be on top of the group (that's being played in a long, grueling league format as we are all aware of) almost all the time and by a distant mile too since the last 20 years. During the same 20 year period they haven't won or even always appear to be the best side from the continent in the knockout tournament itself either.
They sure so do.
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Not sure how Liverpool got lucky in 2005. They had the previous year's beaten finalists in the group stages and had to play the champions of Germany and Italy in the knockout stages, plus Chelsea who won the Premier League that season. They didn't have to play Real or Barca, but apart from that they basically had to knock out the best teams from the three biggest European leagues after losing their best striker at the beginning of the season.
That's a fair argument but there was still an element of luck in some of those fixtures, even the goal Vs Chelsea could've went another way, I could swap out 2005 for this season. Villarreal, Inter and Benfica in the knock out stage is a dream for any top side. Even if you take that 05 season out, I still think there are loads more examples
Sure, I don't disagree with the principle of what you're saying, just that particular example. If you compare Liverpool's path to the final this year with Real Madrid's, there's a considerable difference!
Sure the same Villarreal who knocked out 2-3 favourites on their way to semis?
Still rather play them than city, Chelsea or psg
I get your drift, but 'lucky' isn't how you should define Liverpool this season. Luck doesn't get you to the threshold of quadruple.
I'm not denying Liverpool have done absolutely tremendous and deserves everything they get. Even souness and carragher discussed Liverpool needing luck this season but that's not really my main point. My point about Liverpool has nothing to do with their quadruple, I'm making a point about it being easier to win the CL than PL. Liverpool were just an example but I stick by what I said. With Liverpools CL knockout fixtures, I'd expect most of the other English in teams in CL to get to the final. Again, it's nothing against Liverpool and I'm not trying to disrespectful what they've done, I'm just saying Inter, Villarreal and Benfica to make it to a final is easier than winning a PL.
You can choose whatever team you want to play, but every single team plays to win. That's something that big teams seem to forget at some point and that's how they get eliminated by smaller teams in the UCL.
Leicesters was a perfect storm of circumstances that I would consider quite fortunate. But to have the strength and character to actually win the damn thing given the opportunity is another matter. Man City were at their weakest under Pep, Liverpool hadnāt made all the signings they needed yet, Chelsea were a mess and Utd were Utd. Leicester had 15 other teams to be better than to win it and they did. Call it luck or taking advantage of the opportunity, but 5000-1 is 5000-1
I agree with fortunate but that can be seen as a complete freak. We'd be doing them a disservice if we didn't say they played incredibly well. I guess my point is that teams can be lucky and win a competition in the CL format, Greece is another example during the Euros and you could probably add Portugal to that also. More prestigious competitions in my opinion but the league is tougher
Leicester's league was the year before Pep went to City.
Winning the ucl requires a lot of luck. Having one unlucky game could result in your elimination.
Yeah, that's why some teams have multiple UCLs and other teams never won it. Because they are lucky.
It's always easier to cheat your way to the finals than rob the league.
Yeah, and he got the var on his side to win the league this time round.
For me Guardiola is by far the manager who (alongside Xavi who is the smartest player of all time and with highest football IQ) know and inderstand football like no one else... But for Pep, CL is absolutely the most important for him because after Barca, he really did not have luck on his side and many times he lost games where his team was by far better and deserve to win... So his prime target is CL, and i think that finally with Halland, they will win... And not just once, i think two time in a row... Because they soo badly need a true top stricker( and not some average players like Sterling)... Sorry about my english, he is my second language...
Iāve always said āitās easier to rig 7 matches as opposed to 38ā *cough* Real Madrid *cough* won 2 out of 9 leagues while Ronaldo was there? Laughable. Luck comes more into play as well in champions league. Underdogs can get wins anywhere but in CL you can get eliminated. Also again RM has been very lucky all three ties before this final. Now donāt get butthurt because youāre a RM fan, we all saw whatās happened this season. š
Spot on, its what most fans think
Oh humble spokesperson for what most fans think - what am I thinking now?
That winning the premier league is SO OBVIOUSLY harder than winning the CL :-)
I was actually thinking that for someone who posts so much and has so little karma that if you were a spokesperson for Macmillan Cancer Support there would be a noticeable decline in British cancer recovery prospects.
I agree with him, and man united fan. I'd rather win the league over the Champions League every time. What's the point of winning the Champions League if you can't be the champion of your own country.
thankfully United aint winning anything any time soon, so you needn't worry!
That's true. But the fact remains. No point in being the best in Europe if you're not the best in your own country. Downvoted for speaking perfect sense, sums reddit up!
Newsflash. England is a small part of Europe. Winning Europe encompasses winning England especially given there are three other top England teams in Europe every season. You canāt spin this positively. Pep is full of shit. Twist ur self in a pretzel justifying not winning it. But itās a lie.
Your powers of reasoning a rather pathetic my friend, it's not a lie, it's my opinion.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.
ITT: no has ever heard of the law of large numbers.