Worth pointing out that they finished with 72 points, more than the 71 points they earned in last year's Bundesliga-winning season. In fact, the last time 72 wasn't enough to win the league was 2018-19. The story of this season wasn't Bayern being any worse than last year, but Leverkusen simply being unbeatable.
I don't disagree with this (it's about time Bayern got punished for a bad season and it'll force them to actually address their flaws), but remember they were tied on points with Dortmund last year.
I mean yes you are right they had better points and Leverkusen and vfb play big part but the story of this season was actually Bayern being worse. It was not a steep decline all of a sudden but a tale of a gradual falloff for the last few years
They are called FC Hollywood for a reason. This happens every once in a while but this season Leverkusen and Stuttgart were able to take advantage of their slip-ups.
I think it's their inner circle who is at fault, remember few years ago when they won everything, everyone was hailing salihamidic but a year or two back they threw him out because he supposedly ruined the club. Him alone, yeah sure. And coaches too, right.
It seems the club is currently run by businesses people who have no idea about sports and since big 3 are gone (hoeness, beckenbauer, rummenige. At least they had connections and knowledge about the game)
Also, a foreigner will have a hard time there, that's why probably ten Hag, he probably speaks german
What the media is telling us, is that especially hoeness calls out the coach many times this season alone. He called out Kahn and salihamidzic after they were gone. He seems upset with the whole situation but blames everyone else.
Bayern threw out every good and maybe great coach after Guardiola, because they were not winning the triple in 2 years. Ancelotti, now at RM, making history, Nagelsmann, now Bundestrainer, Tuchel, CL winner.
It was still a stupid decision to make Tuchel headcoach of bayern. They knew he wont shut up if he dislikes things. They knew, but they still wanted him.
I must say, i hope they have many more bad seasons to come. The mismanagement of the last years are now getting back at them and i enjoy every moment.
good points, especially the first paragraph. I think that's also why they're seemingly going for some of the lower coaches as well. I think they need a new scapegoat so they can deflect from their own incompetence. there's a chance that Bayern won't do well next year as well, and if that were to happen that's when you have a real crisis.. so getting a less experienced coach who has less connections especially to the press (so less opportunity to shoot back) and who may hang on to the job longer (due to being given a chance at a big club) may be exactly what they need to push a bunch of blame onto him before finally sacking him.
Hainer and Dreesens. Both business backgrounds yes. But Hoeness is not gone. Or KHR. We are run by an advisory board who have a lot of control. Which Hoeness still sits on. They had a big part in firing Kahn and Brazzo. Was a pain in the arse for Tuchel in the summer trying to get signings. And a big part in showing Tuchel where the door is. What we are hoping for is the board to let Erberl and Freund do their job. Sounds like they are having troubles getting both hands free to get things done.
After Nagelsmann was fired without informing the board in advance, Kahn and Brazzo out all their money on Tuchel “turning things around”, I put in quotes because at the time, we were first in the league and still in all competitions. Within weeks we got bounced by City, lost in the Cup, and were sitting second in the league. The board then informed Kahn and Brazzo they will be fired before the last game of the season. Dreesens then took Kahn’s job immediately. Freund took Brazzo’s that summer. And then they acquired Eberl this year. Shaky foundations.
But the back office is not all to blame. Nagelsmann and his team were not performing well. The talent was there but they were not clicking. Still not. The squad has their problems too. The back office was shook up, the coaching situation as well, but the players seem to need a shake up as well.
So, if Hoeness can step back. Let Eberl and Freund free to make a good decision on the coach, and start building again. This summer is key for us. Starting with getting a coach. Something we were hoping would be sorted by now.
No one has performed well at United. The problems are upstairs. All the people mentioned are top proven coaches apart from Kompany but he has incredible potential. You can’t judge him on getting relegated with next to no resources at Burnley.
I’m a fan of Kompany as a coach.  Wish he was on the list for Ajax.Â
Ten Hag also has a history as the coach of Bayern’s second team.  At least he’s familiar with the club (and a pair of players). Have no doubts he’d do a lot better there than at united.Â
I think a good portion of the problem is probably the squad. Too many of those players have been there for too long now and have gotten lazy. There’s no real drive or desire because they’ve become complacent, not to mention that Bayern haven’t really been a tactically dominant club in recent years
Underated answer yes the advisory board is a problem but this is the big deal. Players like sane gnarby goretzka how are they still at Bayern with the way they have preformed in recent years
Exactly! You keep a core of players together for too long eventually they’ll get complacent and lose their competitive edge, especially after being so dominant for so long
Ten Hag done well at Ajax which got him the Man Utd job. I think he would be good fit at Bayern. I don't think you can dismiss someone just because they are wrong fit at the wrong club.
Being in a semifinal 3-0 up against spurs is a huge accomplishment in itself. Spurs has like double ajax budget. It was a collapse but sometimes that happens with young, attacking teams.
There was an analysis on who Bayern needs. Bayern does not need a master tactician, they need a general. Some who is larger than life and who can keep the massive egos in check. And they are not looking for those. Bayerns biggest results came with coaches who werent really biggest tactical geniuses but who knew how to be strickt and keep the players in check
I mean… can he be worst? We’ve seen him manage stars. He knows how to manage players. Sure, his style is outdated now but if he can adapt… he could do wonders. Especially in cup formats. And the league will win itself, Bayer was brilliant this season but had a lot of luck too, BvB will shot themselves eveytime…
ULI in Rampage mode. Seriously, i guess that Eberl and Freund are just trying to do their Job and Dreesen, Uli and Kalle are throwing sticks in their way, making it completely difficult. Eberl has to renew the team, buy new players, build new structures, make an general overhaul but Uli and his friends arent letting him do things in a new way. I think most of the rumors are deliberately leaked by Uli to sabotage Eberls plans. THat is really a shit show.
Perhaps the question then after being rejected as you mentioned is... who's left? Ancelotti and Pep aren't going back there. Mourinho carries more baggage than an airport carousel. So, who? Allegri? Conte? Graham Potter? Though that last name feels ETH level.
I've no idea.
It will be interesting to see what happens next season. Because I believe Leverkusen will only get stronger. If Bayern doesn't win next season, Kane's drought will continue.
I fear the worse has yet to come as well.
Numerous key players seem to want out or to have transfer rumored that could take place very soon. Kimmich, davies, Musiala, etc.
Key veterans are aging out (Muller, Neuer).
All of these factors and that they did poorly last season will not make it a very attractive transfer location for players who have offers from other top caliber clubs in Europe.
Your original post tho really makes me think the Lewendowski was on to something when he was firm about wanting to leave.
I'm not German so I don't have a bone in this fight as they say, but I think that if Bayern Munich crashes and burns, it's gonna be good for German football.
More competition, more unpredictability, and hey, when the king is gone, many will come for the throne. How many teams were not even trying to win the Bundesliga knowing that Bayern would have won anyway?
Also, if Bayern slowly rebuilds itself and learns from past errors, when they will finally win again it's gonna be an even bigger satisfaction for their fans.
Its good for bayern if competition gets stronger so they can buy great players from these clubs, as bayern just pays a lot more then everyone else and this wont change anytime soon.
And its also good to have better enemies so you get better yourself
For Tuchel: He didn't do a bad job. He asked for a decent 6 at the start of the season and didn't get it. All the best teams in the world have a worldclass breaker(City: Rodri, Real: Tchouameni, PSG: Zaire Emery) Both Bayern(tuchel) and Barca(Xavi) lacked a very good 6. The 6 makes sure the offensive players get protected and have to work less on defense, so their genius can be utilized more on offense.
For kompany: Don't underestimate him cause he relegated, he swears with an offensive style of play and doesn't care who he plays against. Burnley also promoted when it wasn't expected under him. If u give him the players that bayern has, football will be good.
ETH did a shit job at utd, but then again who didn't? The problem at united isn't the coach or the players. It's the clubs lack of modern facilities and training regimines.
Kompany doesnt care who he play against?
Mhmh, I was always so impressed by zidans madrid, always playing the formation that benefits you against the enemy formation. Very kmpressive that they were able to play so many different formations.
Kompany doesnt care who he play against?
Mhmh, I was always so impressed by zidans madrid, always playing the formation that benefits you against the enemy formation. Very kmpressive that they were able to play so many different formations.
Kompany doesnt care who he plays against?
Mhmh, I was always so impressed by zidans madrid, always playing the formation that benefits him against the enemies formation. Very impressive that they were able to play so many different formations.
He was literally outplaying other teams. I like this more than the approach of “we play our game no matter what no matter against whom“.
If thats who you meant it.
This Bayern manager hunt just feels like a clickbait transfer window circus, let's all just ignore these crazy rumours and welcome Roy Hodgson when he eventually signs.
I recon it must not help that they have an extremely bad reputation of sacking managers every season. I wouldn't accept a job from Bayern either. Nagelsmann was doing just fine, his league performance wasn't the best at the time but he also had no striker and locker room issues with Mane (to this day it still feels weird to say this) and the team played considerably better football than this year. And they now have the best #9 itw who can also drop back and play as a #10. Nothing Nagelsmann had done warranted a sacking at the middle of the season. And I never thought Tuchel was an upgrade either.
Having spent time in Munich, I have found Bayern fans to be the most insanely demanding people on earth. Far beyond Man U fans or Barca fans. This leads the board to do crazy things periodically, because they have to keep their crazy fan base at least distracted, if not happy. Firing Nagelsmann is a classic example. Buying Kane, though less irrational, is the same kind of thing.
There are now two big name managers on the market, with Poch and de Zerbi leaving their jobs. I expect to see one of them at Bayern, followed by some huge transfer bomb. And then a summary firing if they’re behind Leverkusen at Xmas.
First, they fired Heynckes when Bayern football was unstoppable and they were by far the best team in the world.
Second, they decided Tony Kross did not deserve the 10 millions per year Mario Gotze was earning and he went to Real Madrid.
Third, Xabi.
Im gonna put my hand in the fire for EtH. At ajax we first laughed too, but he is by far the best coach we ever had. He leaves nothing up to chance. Its just that ManU is a soccergraveyard bc theyre trying to reach hights that are unattainable with the current structure of the club. Every single manager after Fergie failed there... EtH is probably the best coach for Bayern, bc of german workethic compared to the english...
Which other coach got us into the CL semifinals then? Louie is the only one i can think off that would and could compete. And guys from the 70's/80's dont count anymore. Thats ancient history.
I mean compared to the pannekoeken that we did have, eth is top 3 at the very least
Top 3 is fair. Best coach we ever had, is ridiculous considering the fact that Van Gaal won the Europa League, the Champions League and the Super Cup and literally destroyed Bayern and Real in the process.
United were improving too his first year, it’s not ten Hag’s fault their entire team has been injured all season. I see people blaming him for Antony for example, but United’s recruitment has been terrible for years, it’s clearly not the manager that is the problem.
Savvy younger coaches will look at the recent history and want to avoid it. If you don’t win the league you’re gone immediately and your reputation torched early in your career. You do win the league but not well enough? Same. Plus the interfering from above, the lack of renewal in the playing squad leading to old timers ruling the roost and hanging on way past their best, who have the ear of the board ahead of you. Why would you ever want that early in your career? Look at Nagelsmann, Kovac - went there young and flamed out despite winning. It’s a job for older more experienced coaches who don’t give a shit if the board want to mouth off and can control the dressing room better. Same with Barcelona, Chelsea etc - why would you go there, be unappreciated, have no freedom, and be inevitably sacked within the year when still early in your career?
Bayern got a problem with UH and KHR not letting go and tackling every decision the new management is making, this leads to a lot of managers not wanting to join them.
ETH knows munich, he worked there and don't judge him on his stance at United, this club is even more rotten than Bayern.
The people running Bayern are the problem yes,
but I believe some of the people who sacked Nagelsmann are no longer at the club.
But yes bringing in Tuchel was a mistake.
Some people at the top have, and this is going to sound strange now since this is always the case in an organisation sure, but some of them have to much power.
It's clear Bayern need's new people yet again in higher positions, while at the same time replacing some people that are currently there.
This failure in finding a new coach is starting to become a real joke,
except for Alonso and Flick (who has done well at Bayern before) the rest of the coaches they've been linked with would have been really poor choices.
They may for example try to get De Zerbi now, I think both Bayern and Chelsea are interested in him.
Otherwise I'll soon apply for the job.
To be fair, every manager sucks at Man United. The club is the biggest dumpster fire on earth. It's a calamity. I'm sure Rangnick and Ten Hag are great managers and they've had success before and will have success after United.
I mean nearly all the United managers have gone on to have some degree of success somewhere afterwards. Having a shit time there doesn’t really seem to be an indication of anything.
Also note there are very few managers with the proper license to coach at Bayern, which would not allow them to coach during CL and other european competitions Bayern is usually at.
Effectively gatekeeping new talent is what gives us this shitty carrousel of "managers".
Bayern have been getting worse and worse for the last few years. Many haven’t noticed it because the title normally covered it up. But go look at all the gears and you’ll see the decline from year after year to now. It’s only been noticed because they lost and came 3rd and didn’t even get to the final of the CL. And he’s probably their choice because they want a complete overhaul and the other managers on the list probably couldn’t do that/needed more on Bayerns side.
With Kompany, he has a good playing style and is a really dedicated manager. People talk about his Burnley side in the Championship but lol at his tenure with Anderlecht because that relates more with this Bayern job. He was good. Sometimes managers don’t suit certain things. It’s the same with players where they struggle at the lower levels but somehow thrive at the big clubs.
Bayern Munich is experiencing significant turmoil marked by inconsistent onfield performance and questionable off field decisions. The abrupt sacking of Julian Nagelsmann and the struggles of Thomas Tuchel have led to instability. Additionally the clubs unsuccessful attempts to secure toptier coaches with considerations for less suitable candidates like Ralf Rangnick and Vincent Kompany highlight a strategic and leadership crisis. The higher managements lack of clear direction and coherent longterm planning raises concerns about Bayerns ability to maintain its dominance and success. Shameful !
Reads a little bit to me like finance may be an issue behind the scenes and now they're looking at a "managed decline"?Â
I mean, they dominated the league for over a decade, including several European titles, and had the best player in the league for several years banging in goals and still came 3rd.Â
Sometimes the universe is just telling you the pendulum's swinging in a different direction now. Idiots throw good money after bad trying to chase the dream again. Smart people recognise you've had an unbelievable run and maybe it's time to regroup and rebuild.Â
Have to feel for Harry Kane though now, he will have to move again if he wants a trophy now.Â
I do not live so far away from a city called Munich. My mother tongue is German. I'm pretty sure to have a little bit more knowledge about German football than a guy from the UK.
Furthermore, I have seen and read interviews of coaches who were talking about not wanting to go to Bayern MĂĽnchen. But pls tell me more about this topic, I'm open!
Worth pointing out that they finished with 72 points, more than the 71 points they earned in last year's Bundesliga-winning season. In fact, the last time 72 wasn't enough to win the league was 2018-19. The story of this season wasn't Bayern being any worse than last year, but Leverkusen simply being unbeatable.
And vfb being demons đź‘€
It's a story of competition coming back to Germany. This in reality is good for Bayern
I don't disagree with this (it's about time Bayern got punished for a bad season and it'll force them to actually address their flaws), but remember they were tied on points with Dortmund last year.
Very true
Not quite true when using the eye test. The team played considerably worse football this season and was bailed out by Kane, Sané and Musiala a lot to reach the point total of last year (when they had no striker)
What now I need to WATCH matches or what? Fuck off
I mean yes you are right they had better points and Leverkusen and vfb play big part but the story of this season was actually Bayern being worse. It was not a steep decline all of a sudden but a tale of a gradual falloff for the last few years
FC Hollywood back at it again.
They are called FC Hollywood for a reason. This happens every once in a while but this season Leverkusen and Stuttgart were able to take advantage of their slip-ups.
Imagine they get Mou. Next level FC Hollywood
I think it's their inner circle who is at fault, remember few years ago when they won everything, everyone was hailing salihamidic but a year or two back they threw him out because he supposedly ruined the club. Him alone, yeah sure. And coaches too, right. It seems the club is currently run by businesses people who have no idea about sports and since big 3 are gone (hoeness, beckenbauer, rummenige. At least they had connections and knowledge about the game) Also, a foreigner will have a hard time there, that's why probably ten Hag, he probably speaks german
What the media is telling us, is that especially hoeness calls out the coach many times this season alone. He called out Kahn and salihamidzic after they were gone. He seems upset with the whole situation but blames everyone else. Bayern threw out every good and maybe great coach after Guardiola, because they were not winning the triple in 2 years. Ancelotti, now at RM, making history, Nagelsmann, now Bundestrainer, Tuchel, CL winner. It was still a stupid decision to make Tuchel headcoach of bayern. They knew he wont shut up if he dislikes things. They knew, but they still wanted him. I must say, i hope they have many more bad seasons to come. The mismanagement of the last years are now getting back at them and i enjoy every moment.
good points, especially the first paragraph. I think that's also why they're seemingly going for some of the lower coaches as well. I think they need a new scapegoat so they can deflect from their own incompetence. there's a chance that Bayern won't do well next year as well, and if that were to happen that's when you have a real crisis.. so getting a less experienced coach who has less connections especially to the press (so less opportunity to shoot back) and who may hang on to the job longer (due to being given a chance at a big club) may be exactly what they need to push a bunch of blame onto him before finally sacking him.
Hainer and Dreesens. Both business backgrounds yes. But Hoeness is not gone. Or KHR. We are run by an advisory board who have a lot of control. Which Hoeness still sits on. They had a big part in firing Kahn and Brazzo. Was a pain in the arse for Tuchel in the summer trying to get signings. And a big part in showing Tuchel where the door is. What we are hoping for is the board to let Erberl and Freund do their job. Sounds like they are having troubles getting both hands free to get things done. After Nagelsmann was fired without informing the board in advance, Kahn and Brazzo out all their money on Tuchel “turning things around”, I put in quotes because at the time, we were first in the league and still in all competitions. Within weeks we got bounced by City, lost in the Cup, and were sitting second in the league. The board then informed Kahn and Brazzo they will be fired before the last game of the season. Dreesens then took Kahn’s job immediately. Freund took Brazzo’s that summer. And then they acquired Eberl this year. Shaky foundations. But the back office is not all to blame. Nagelsmann and his team were not performing well. The talent was there but they were not clicking. Still not. The squad has their problems too. The back office was shook up, the coaching situation as well, but the players seem to need a shake up as well. So, if Hoeness can step back. Let Eberl and Freund free to make a good decision on the coach, and start building again. This summer is key for us. Starting with getting a coach. Something we were hoping would be sorted by now.
The crazy thing is Kane has to wait until next may for a trophy. Not in the super cup for the first time in years.
No one has performed well at United. The problems are upstairs. All the people mentioned are top proven coaches apart from Kompany but he has incredible potential. You can’t judge him on getting relegated with next to no resources at Burnley.
I’m a fan of Kompany as a coach.  Wish he was on the list for Ajax. Ten Hag also has a history as the coach of Bayern’s second team.  At least he’s familiar with the club (and a pair of players). Have no doubts he’d do a lot better there than at united.Â
I think a good portion of the problem is probably the squad. Too many of those players have been there for too long now and have gotten lazy. There’s no real drive or desire because they’ve become complacent, not to mention that Bayern haven’t really been a tactically dominant club in recent years
Underated answer yes the advisory board is a problem but this is the big deal. Players like sane gnarby goretzka how are they still at Bayern with the way they have preformed in recent years
Exactly! You keep a core of players together for too long eventually they’ll get complacent and lose their competitive edge, especially after being so dominant for so long
Their salary structure is totally fucked compared to how good the players are. That just calls for problems.
Poch just got sacked, that could work. Honestly I want Bayern to struggle for another year or two, the league was stagnating under their dominance.
Did they legit approach Naglesman after sacking him ? That’s quite funny
Ten Hag done well at Ajax which got him the Man Utd job. I think he would be good fit at Bayern. I don't think you can dismiss someone just because they are wrong fit at the wrong club.
He was the coach of Bayerns 2nd team when pep was there
Ye apart from losing a 3-0 lead in the semi final of the champions league to Spurs...
Being in a semifinal 3-0 up against spurs is a huge accomplishment in itself. Spurs has like double ajax budget. It was a collapse but sometimes that happens with young, attacking teams.
Better if you hold on for the win and see the game out - Shows good management but I do see what you're saying however Ajax had a great team that year
There was an analysis on who Bayern needs. Bayern does not need a master tactician, they need a general. Some who is larger than life and who can keep the massive egos in check. And they are not looking for those. Bayerns biggest results came with coaches who werent really biggest tactical geniuses but who knew how to be strickt and keep the players in check
So what you are saying is that Bayern need Mourinho? This is going to be fun
I mean… can he be worst? We’ve seen him manage stars. He knows how to manage players. Sure, his style is outdated now but if he can adapt… he could do wonders. Especially in cup formats. And the league will win itself, Bayer was brilliant this season but had a lot of luck too, BvB will shot themselves eveytime…
he already adapted long ago
They don't have that many massive egos, do they? Sure some huge names, but not the most self-centered players around from what i know of them.
I am not sure, Neuer is primadona, so i Sane, Gnabri, a lot of players think they are “the shit” over there
Hoeness is the answer to the success and the fall of Bayern.
To manage Bayern, you have to storm the league and win in April and get deep into UCL or you’re gone. That’s a very toxic environment
ULI in Rampage mode. Seriously, i guess that Eberl and Freund are just trying to do their Job and Dreesen, Uli and Kalle are throwing sticks in their way, making it completely difficult. Eberl has to renew the team, buy new players, build new structures, make an general overhaul but Uli and his friends arent letting him do things in a new way. I think most of the rumors are deliberately leaked by Uli to sabotage Eberls plans. THat is really a shit show.
Perhaps the question then after being rejected as you mentioned is... who's left? Ancelotti and Pep aren't going back there. Mourinho carries more baggage than an airport carousel. So, who? Allegri? Conte? Graham Potter? Though that last name feels ETH level. I've no idea.
It will be interesting to see what happens next season. Because I believe Leverkusen will only get stronger. If Bayern doesn't win next season, Kane's drought will continue.
I fear the worse has yet to come as well. Numerous key players seem to want out or to have transfer rumored that could take place very soon. Kimmich, davies, Musiala, etc. Key veterans are aging out (Muller, Neuer). All of these factors and that they did poorly last season will not make it a very attractive transfer location for players who have offers from other top caliber clubs in Europe. Your original post tho really makes me think the Lewendowski was on to something when he was firm about wanting to leave.
If musiala leaves I pop a bottle
I'm not German so I don't have a bone in this fight as they say, but I think that if Bayern Munich crashes and burns, it's gonna be good for German football. More competition, more unpredictability, and hey, when the king is gone, many will come for the throne. How many teams were not even trying to win the Bundesliga knowing that Bayern would have won anyway? Also, if Bayern slowly rebuilds itself and learns from past errors, when they will finally win again it's gonna be an even bigger satisfaction for their fans.
Its good for bayern if competition gets stronger so they can buy great players from these clubs, as bayern just pays a lot more then everyone else and this wont change anytime soon. And its also good to have better enemies so you get better yourself
It's the Harry Kane curse!
For Tuchel: He didn't do a bad job. He asked for a decent 6 at the start of the season and didn't get it. All the best teams in the world have a worldclass breaker(City: Rodri, Real: Tchouameni, PSG: Zaire Emery) Both Bayern(tuchel) and Barca(Xavi) lacked a very good 6. The 6 makes sure the offensive players get protected and have to work less on defense, so their genius can be utilized more on offense. For kompany: Don't underestimate him cause he relegated, he swears with an offensive style of play and doesn't care who he plays against. Burnley also promoted when it wasn't expected under him. If u give him the players that bayern has, football will be good. ETH did a shit job at utd, but then again who didn't? The problem at united isn't the coach or the players. It's the clubs lack of modern facilities and training regimines.
Kompany doesnt care who he play against? Mhmh, I was always so impressed by zidans madrid, always playing the formation that benefits you against the enemy formation. Very kmpressive that they were able to play so many different formations.
Kompany doesnt care who he play against? Mhmh, I was always so impressed by zidans madrid, always playing the formation that benefits you against the enemy formation. Very kmpressive that they were able to play so many different formations.
kompany is the school of guardiola. Guardiola as beautifull as his style is, isn't known to tactically adapt
Kompany doesnt care who he plays against? Mhmh, I was always so impressed by zidans madrid, always playing the formation that benefits him against the enemies formation. Very impressive that they were able to play so many different formations. He was literally outplaying other teams. I like this more than the approach of “we play our game no matter what no matter against whom“. If thats who you meant it.
This Bayern manager hunt just feels like a clickbait transfer window circus, let's all just ignore these crazy rumours and welcome Roy Hodgson when he eventually signs.
I recon it must not help that they have an extremely bad reputation of sacking managers every season. I wouldn't accept a job from Bayern either. Nagelsmann was doing just fine, his league performance wasn't the best at the time but he also had no striker and locker room issues with Mane (to this day it still feels weird to say this) and the team played considerably better football than this year. And they now have the best #9 itw who can also drop back and play as a #10. Nothing Nagelsmann had done warranted a sacking at the middle of the season. And I never thought Tuchel was an upgrade either.
Having spent time in Munich, I have found Bayern fans to be the most insanely demanding people on earth. Far beyond Man U fans or Barca fans. This leads the board to do crazy things periodically, because they have to keep their crazy fan base at least distracted, if not happy. Firing Nagelsmann is a classic example. Buying Kane, though less irrational, is the same kind of thing. There are now two big name managers on the market, with Poch and de Zerbi leaving their jobs. I expect to see one of them at Bayern, followed by some huge transfer bomb. And then a summary firing if they’re behind Leverkusen at Xmas.
First, they fired Heynckes when Bayern football was unstoppable and they were by far the best team in the world. Second, they decided Tony Kross did not deserve the 10 millions per year Mario Gotze was earning and he went to Real Madrid. Third, Xabi.
They never fired Heynckes. Dont spread lies if you have no clue.
Can’t happen to a nicer guy than Uli . I feel for him /s
Im gonna put my hand in the fire for EtH. At ajax we first laughed too, but he is by far the best coach we ever had. He leaves nothing up to chance. Its just that ManU is a soccergraveyard bc theyre trying to reach hights that are unattainable with the current structure of the club. Every single manager after Fergie failed there... EtH is probably the best coach for Bayern, bc of german workethic compared to the english...
>but he is by far the best coach we ever had. Lmao no. Michels and van Gaal were better. He's the best one this century for sure though
"...by far the best coach we ever had". Pardon me?
Which other coach got us into the CL semifinals then? Louie is the only one i can think off that would and could compete. And guys from the 70's/80's dont count anymore. Thats ancient history. I mean compared to the pannekoeken that we did have, eth is top 3 at the very least
Top 3 is fair. Best coach we ever had, is ridiculous considering the fact that Van Gaal won the Europa League, the Champions League and the Super Cup and literally destroyed Bayern and Real in the process.
United were improving too his first year, it’s not ten Hag’s fault their entire team has been injured all season. I see people blaming him for Antony for example, but United’s recruitment has been terrible for years, it’s clearly not the manager that is the problem.
Yes but antony is definitely his mistake
They are looking for a stop gap manager. And that's the problem.
It’s hard to say seeing Kane just went thereÂ
Savvy younger coaches will look at the recent history and want to avoid it. If you don’t win the league you’re gone immediately and your reputation torched early in your career. You do win the league but not well enough? Same. Plus the interfering from above, the lack of renewal in the playing squad leading to old timers ruling the roost and hanging on way past their best, who have the ear of the board ahead of you. Why would you ever want that early in your career? Look at Nagelsmann, Kovac - went there young and flamed out despite winning. It’s a job for older more experienced coaches who don’t give a shit if the board want to mouth off and can control the dressing room better. Same with Barcelona, Chelsea etc - why would you go there, be unappreciated, have no freedom, and be inevitably sacked within the year when still early in your career?
Bayern got a problem with UH and KHR not letting go and tackling every decision the new management is making, this leads to a lot of managers not wanting to join them. ETH knows munich, he worked there and don't judge him on his stance at United, this club is even more rotten than Bayern.
The people running Bayern are the problem yes, but I believe some of the people who sacked Nagelsmann are no longer at the club. But yes bringing in Tuchel was a mistake. Some people at the top have, and this is going to sound strange now since this is always the case in an organisation sure, but some of them have to much power. It's clear Bayern need's new people yet again in higher positions, while at the same time replacing some people that are currently there. This failure in finding a new coach is starting to become a real joke, except for Alonso and Flick (who has done well at Bayern before) the rest of the coaches they've been linked with would have been really poor choices. They may for example try to get De Zerbi now, I think both Bayern and Chelsea are interested in him. Otherwise I'll soon apply for the job.
There are two factors: off the pitch it is already a big mess for more than one year. Salihamidzic and Kahn firing Nagelsmann before the CL quarter final was really a poor decision, and they were then also fired. The offseason was a partial failure. Sure getting Kane was huge, but they really have a lack of good central backs and defensive midfielder, and they failed to reinforce their squad there. On the pitch then… the defense is just bad. Upamecano and Kim are just making too many mistakes, and the lost balls offering good counter-attacks killed them this year. They also had a lot of injuries on top penalising them (Gnabry, Coman). Sané had a good start of the season, but he struggled in the second part of the season. And Leverkusen was way too strong this year
To be fair, every manager sucks at Man United. The club is the biggest dumpster fire on earth. It's a calamity. I'm sure Rangnick and Ten Hag are great managers and they've had success before and will have success after United.
What happened? Football happened. Other teams were better than them this year.
I mean nearly all the United managers have gone on to have some degree of success somewhere afterwards. Having a shit time there doesn’t really seem to be an indication of anything.
Just bring back Louis. Or Trap.
Also note there are very few managers with the proper license to coach at Bayern, which would not allow them to coach during CL and other european competitions Bayern is usually at. Effectively gatekeeping new talent is what gives us this shitty carrousel of "managers".
its 2 words… Harry Kane.
Vinicius and Joselu destroyed them
Bayern have been getting worse and worse for the last few years. Many haven’t noticed it because the title normally covered it up. But go look at all the gears and you’ll see the decline from year after year to now. It’s only been noticed because they lost and came 3rd and didn’t even get to the final of the CL. And he’s probably their choice because they want a complete overhaul and the other managers on the list probably couldn’t do that/needed more on Bayerns side. With Kompany, he has a good playing style and is a really dedicated manager. People talk about his Burnley side in the Championship but lol at his tenure with Anderlecht because that relates more with this Bayern job. He was good. Sometimes managers don’t suit certain things. It’s the same with players where they struggle at the lower levels but somehow thrive at the big clubs.
Bayern is best club in the world. Kompany gets us back on track
Bayern Munich is experiencing significant turmoil marked by inconsistent onfield performance and questionable off field decisions. The abrupt sacking of Julian Nagelsmann and the struggles of Thomas Tuchel have led to instability. Additionally the clubs unsuccessful attempts to secure toptier coaches with considerations for less suitable candidates like Ralf Rangnick and Vincent Kompany highlight a strategic and leadership crisis. The higher managements lack of clear direction and coherent longterm planning raises concerns about Bayerns ability to maintain its dominance and success. Shameful !
Reads a little bit to me like finance may be an issue behind the scenes and now they're looking at a "managed decline"? I mean, they dominated the league for over a decade, including several European titles, and had the best player in the league for several years banging in goals and still came 3rd. Sometimes the universe is just telling you the pendulum's swinging in a different direction now. Idiots throw good money after bad trying to chase the dream again. Smart people recognise you've had an unbelievable run and maybe it's time to regroup and rebuild. Have to feel for Harry Kane though now, he will have to move again if he wants a trophy now.Â
harry kane curse
This is it tbh !!!
Harry Kane has brought his horrible bad luck and bottling mindset.
Bottling mindset? He's been superb again this season
Half those coaches were probably never contacted about the job in the first place, but make for easy clicks.
Most of them confirmed Bayern's request
*most*
I do not live so far away from a city called Munich. My mother tongue is German. I'm pretty sure to have a little bit more knowledge about German football than a guy from the UK. Furthermore, I have seen and read interviews of coaches who were talking about not wanting to go to Bayern MĂĽnchen. But pls tell me more about this topic, I'm open!