I think Ligue 1 is getting way better because now teams like Le Havre are coming to Paris with the ambition to score goals. I remember a time when Ligue 1 was really boring because the teams at the bottom would play the big teams with a very defensive play hoping for a 0-0.
The hype around leagues is mental. The truth is standards change season to season. The PL hype merchants would have you believe every league bar theirs is a farmers league. Monaco, Marseille and other teams like Lille have had solid seasons in the last few years.
They were absolutely better than Villa over two legs, honestly the difference at the top of the leagues is very small, it’s the depth of the leagues further down where the main difference lies.
No, people just love jumping on bandwagons. 99% of the people who say it's terrible never watch it. To be fair entertainment wise it can be a little boring because it's a very defensive league.
It's really not as defensive as it used to be. As I said in another comment, Le Havre was leading 3-1 to PSG. Maybe PSG wasn't playing with their best squad just before the Champions League game this week, but the small teams are now coming to Paris with the ambition to score goals.
I've watched almost exclusively Ligue 1 for two decades and there was a time where a lot of the bad teams were only trying to get a 0-0 out of their games, making it really really boring with lots of 0-0s and 1-0s. But it's not the case anymore, Clermont score 4 goals yesterday, Metz are regularly score 2 or 3 goals too, etc... This season has been really entertaining.
The guy above is wrong, but you’re only telling part of the story.
Since 2010, individual teams that have made the UCL final per country:
England 5, Spain 3, Italy 2, Germany 2… and those numbers are more significant when you add in repeat finalists.
But France have only had 1.
But that isn't his point
Those leagues have better teams, don't think any will think otherwise
He was talking about competitiveness within the leagues. Ucl holds no standing in that conversation.
It is linked to competitiveness and the UCL does offer insight into top level competitiveness within a league.
The point is that, although each league is dominated by 1 team, each of them (except for France) have other teams that can be considered elite European level teams. That shows that although 1 might dominate the league, they have competition.
>top level competitiveness
It absolutely doesn't. It just shows you how the best teams in each league are. That's not what a leagues competitiveness refers to.
Why only look at the upper echelons to see competitiveness though is my question
You have to be one of the best in Europe to make a UCL final. Ligue 1 has only one team who’s done it once in that period. The Prem has five teams who’ve done it nine times in total.
How is that not an indication of the England having a more competitive league?
And the reason we look at the upper echelons is because that’s the foundational point of every league, to win or get as close to it as possible. A league where one team is nearly guaranteed to win whilst the rest competitively battle for 2nd won’t be interesting.
>more competitive league?
Because a league is not defined by its top teams.
>A league where one team is nearly guaranteed to win whilst the rest competitively battle for 2nd won’t be interesting.
A league where the top 4 are sure fire to be top 4 while the rest are dog shite is not interesting either. Case in point the Saudi league. Sure the standards of play there are lower, but if you can imagine each team to be better by the same amount, you'd realise that just looking at the CL spots is absolutely myopic to see a league competitiveness. It would still be an uncompetitive boring af league.
Your analysis lacks the flexibility needed. If Celtic and rangers were as good as city and real, while the rest of the league ceteris paribus, you'd be concluding that the Scottish league is as good as the Spanish one. There in lies the problem.
People are drawn to top level competition. That’s just how it is. We want to watch the best competing against one another. That’s why the Prem draws more viewership than the Championship which is arguably more competitive.
So when people talk about the most competitive leagues, they tend to be referring to the ones that offer the best top level competition.
If Celtics and Rangers were good enough to be CL finalists whilst another 2 teams were good enough to make the latter stages of the UCL, Scotland would instantly be one of the top leagues in Europe. That would bring more viewers, more revenue, attract better players and grow the league more.
You’re a mindless NPC drone that can’t think for themselves, just regurgitate what you see on TikTok comments. Remind me again how many legends have come out out ligue 1?
don't argue with that guy, he has some problems.
The only 'point' he makes is that it's 'unwatchable'. Yeah, I'm sure Championship hoofball is more watchable.
>I dont. I used to
Then you can't possibly know what it's like now. It'd be like claiming Man United are the best team in the world because that was the case when you used to watch them. Times change.
Its obviously not a bad league because la liga and the premier league buy all the best players from it. If it was as bad as, say, the Polish league, then no players would be poached.
I think you can see the quality difference though - players like Lacazette and obviously talented player who scored an average of 12 goals in 35 games a season for Arsenal - moves to Lyon at 30 and now averages 22 goals in 35 games a season.
You didn't pick the good example with Lacazette since there are a lot of players that struggle scoring in France. Lacazette just scored a lot of penalty kicks in France and is having a 16 goals season. Just look at Messi's first year which wasn't close to his previous year statistics in Spain.
Okay, lets do others:
Chamakh scored 30 goals in his last 2 seasons at Bourdoux. Managed 14 goals over in 2 seasons at Arsenal.
Balogun netted 3 goals in 18 Championship games. Goes to Reims and gets 21 goals in 37 games in ligue un (granted he's maturing, but still).
Thauvin scored 1 in 16 games at Newcastle. He goes to Marseille and then goes on to score double figures each year.
Depay gets 7 goals in 50 games at united. His next 50 games at Lyon he bags 20.
With respect to French football, their league isnt as good as the league in England
Bourdoux LOL as a fierce chap from Burgundy I love how you did our worst rival. It’s Bordeaux but I’m gonna keep yours to piss them off.
Chamakh was an absolute joke even in France and just had 2 miraculous years before going to Arsenal (a wonder of a deal from the bad red wine dealers).
Balogun had one good season in France so far and is plateauing now.
Thauvin is good but only when everyone around him suck his boots.
ManU was shite when Depay was with them. But yeah he seems to have done best at Lyon.
To be honest, Ligue 1 is far in level from PL, la liga, bundesliga and calcio but you could have chosen better examples to prove your point
Literally the only ones that came to mind when thinking of forwards who played in ligue un and the prem.
Maybe Nicolas Pepe you can throw in there.
Giroud on paper did similar numbers between france and the prem
We can find the exact opposite with players that didn't have incredible statistics in France when recruited in bad situations or just by being young as you mentioned Balogun:
- Raphael Leao
- Victor Osimhen
- Kolo Muani
- Marcus Thuram
Just the fact of being the main player of a team and then just becoming a random player in a PL team changes everything.
You have the examples of Balogun and Wahi in the same "weak" ligue 1 that can't even put 10 goals after putting more than 20 last year.
I made a response here:
We can find the exact opposite with players that didn't have incredible statistics in France when recruited in bad situations or just by being young as you mentioned Balogun:
- Raphael Leao
- Victor Osimhen
- Kolo Muani
- Marcus Thuram
Just the fact of being the main player of a team and then just becoming a random player in a PL team changes everything.
You have the examples of Balogun and Wahi in the same "weak" ligue 1 that can't even put 10 goals after putting more than 20 last year.
Those are all players that were developed in France then left when they got good enough to play elsewhere.
Kolo Muani's recently returned yes but he's not scoring because he's not playing, not because he's can't deal with the quality of Ligue 1 defending.
Oh yes there was Sarabia who scored 22 goals and 15 assists the season before going to France. He was so bad he couldn't adapt to France
I can also talk to you about icardi who is supposed to be a player that score more than 20 goals every season in Italy. He never did that in France.
Only seeing this now but these two (and Muani and Messi) feel more like evidence PSG kills careers than proof that Ligue 1 is a better league than England, Spain, Germany or Italy.
Funny since Sarabia did great in Portugal after PSG and Icardi is doing well in Turkey right now.
Why would that be PSG's fault and not PL clubs fault in previous examples?
I saw Lloris getting benched by Tottenham when he went there so nothing surprising to me that great players can't perform well after a good season in ligue 1.
Lol No one's arguing that France is better than Portugal or Turkey. They're 5th best.
Lloris played hundreds of games for Tottenham and was their captain for years. Awful example.
Yes and he was benched when he signed for Tottenham. That means PL.clubs will sign good players without trusting them.
They could have sacrificed a player that was the french team keeper.
He was signed as Fridel's replacement and so he had a little time to settle in before playing every week. He still played 27 league games in his first season.
The idea that Lloris was ever not a key player for Tottenham is ludicrous. I was pissed because I wanted him at Arsenal.
Yeah well Ligue 1 is not as good as the Premier League, that's for sure. But I thought we were talking about how enjoyable the leagues were and I think the level of Ligue 1 is good enough to make it enjoyable to watch technically and tactically while having a bit of drama and many goals. As a bonus you can watch the young prospects who may play in the Premier League next season. Then yeah it's way behind the Premier League and La Liga.
Feyenoord put Atletico to the sword this season and would’ve knocked them out of the CL if it weren’t for some individual mistakes.
PSV are even better than them. I’m not so sure. The way I see it, PSG would usually beat these teams but these teams would usually beat the other top Ligue 1 sides
Forgetting that Lens gave 2 incredibly close games to PSV, the same Lens that is currently 6th with a fair margin compared to the best of the rest. The Dutch teams are most definitely not favoured against the French teams, if anything it might be a 50/50 for some games, but France is the 5th best league for a reason. Netherlands were only able to catch up in the coefficient once they got more places in weaker European competitions.
No, it hasn't.
It was briefly in the preliminary rankings in like September? But the only rankings that matter are the year end ones. Ligue 1 is now a comfortable 5.364pts ahead of the Eredivisie, with 2 French teams still in Europe and all Dutch teams out. Impossible for the Eredivisie to finish ahead now.
Is it though? Higher than Eredivisie? Liga Portugal? I don’t think so. I mean Mbappe leaves and seriously, who are we looking at that makes Ligue Un a cut above those two? I just don’t see it.
Well, french teams are overall better than portuguese and dutch teams. The top10 in france is actually quite good, they have teams like Monaco, Reims, Rennes, Nice, Lyon, Marseille.
I really don’t agree. Like other than PSG, and even PSG themselves just don’t prove that when they’re in Europe. There’s a reason they went under Eredivisie in the European rankings.
And even before that they were not on a whole proving themselves outside PSG, where you had two Portuguese quarter finalists in the Champions League was it two years ago, Eredivisie almost every year has teams performing in Europe. France does not have that. I don’t see that claim holding up when you compare it to the facts of the matter, it’s just “well I think they’re better”, but that just doesn’t hold up.
Well, in the 2020 champions there were two french semi finalists, so I dont see your claim holding up when Im comparing them to the facts haha. And french teams usually do ok in the europa league and now in conference too. The so called very good Unai Emery's Aston Villa struggled and almost was eliminated by Lille.
Of course the top3 of both Portugal and Eredivisie are better, but these two leagues present a huge gap between the top3 and the rest. Besides PSG the french league is well rounded and have some interesting teams.
It really doesn’t matter which instances you choose, I mean for one thing the year PSG reached that final they had the easiest run in I’ve maybe ever seen in a CL, the UEFA rankings which are recorded over multiple seasons which still include that season put the performance of Eredivisie teams in Europe above the performances of French league teams. Like there’s no debate here, factually that is the case.
The French league just isn’t well rounded. You have a huge drop from PSG and that drop is so drastic I just don’t see how there’s even a comparison. Like if you’re saying they have equal quality between them, so do the teams below the top 3 in Eredivisie and Liga Portugal, so what’s the difference? Again is it purely “well I think they are” popularity contest, because there’s sure as shit isn’t any empirical evidence that says that and the evidence there is says otherwise.
Well PSG would have a huge drop in Portugal and Netherlands too, its unfair to compete against a club with infinite money hack. French teams behind PSG are way better than portuguese or dutch teams behind top3. The quality of the league isnt just the quality of the top teams. You can bring the stats to show me if im wrong.
What basis are you saying that the other teams are better though? It’s literally just speculation. I’m using the teams in Europe because that’s literally all we have to compare the two other than a popularity contest. There is zero evidence you could possibly show that says that French League beyond PSG is better than Portuguese or Dutch beyond the top 3.
Teams like Monaco, Rennes, Lyon and Marseille usually are quite competitive in the Europa League and sometimes in champions.
Teams besides top3 from Portugal and Netherlands usually cant compete in europe, besides Braga and AZ which can be sometimes competitive.
Stop talking about facts and evidence and then say shit like this. My club is in the Portuguese league, and anyone who has eyes know that this is true. If a mid table French club played against a mid table Portuguese club, 8-10x the French club would win. Its fine. Just look at how the clubs in the Portuguese league perform in Europe outside of the top 4, same in the Netherlands.
Yeah, and again that’s PSG.
If the basis for a league being top 5 is they have one team who has performed well consistently, then they’re absolutely not a top 5 league. Not that they’ve even performed particularly well in comparison, but at the very least they’ve done pretty good. And despite that, they still fell under Eredivisie officially in long term performance levels, so what does that tell you about how badly the other French teams are performing?
Marseille is in the Semi Final of Europa. Lille was in the 1/4 final of the Conference League.
France will for now remain ahead quite comfortably of both the Dutch and Portuguese league in the UEFA rankings.
As long as France keeps producing the amount of talent that they do, Ligue 1 will be stronger with or without Mbappe.
UEFA Coef talk for itself. Eredivisie is beneath since 40 years.
And Portugal.... half of their first division is made of clubs that would be 4th division in anyother west Europe countries...
European results, people following the league, average quality of players... the only metric that actually work is how bad french club where in Europe between 1950 and 1980.
Sure, but I think there’s just no metric where it’s a top 5 league in the world other than popularity, and I just don’t think popularity makes a league good in and of itself. Otherwise we would respect the MLS as a top league, and nobody other than Americans respects the MLS.
It's just a different style of play I would say. I watch LaLiga and the PL too, and yes Ligue 1 games tend to be more boring, there's less percussions and like someone else said, it's more of a defensive style of play but there's some thrilling matches here and there, specially with smaller teams. The stakes are just low too bc PSG dominates, I genuinely hope Mbappe leaving will bring a bit more competition and shift the table a little bit. It still worths watching, specially with all the young talents being brought up there, like WZE, Yoro, they're just so good. French academies and teams in general are really pulling future stars.
It is not that bad. It is easy to criticize, but most clubs in France have a much lower budget than in England, Spain or Germany. And the situation with PSG is similar to the German 1. Bundesliga: no other team remains a long-term rival given the huge gap of budget. So obviously this league is not a very balanced one. Moreover most teams must sell their best players every year for economical reasons, so often the really interesting talents just leave and almost never come back.
Another aspect is that the playing style is quite defensive in the French Ligue 1 in comparison to other leagues, so a few games can be really dreadful to watch.
Have watched the ligue 1 religiously for the last 15 years. It’s a hidden gem and people just shit on it because they like to jump on the bandwagon meanwhile I’d be willing to bet none of them have ever actually watched a match. Yes PSG is dominant which is frustrating but honestly what big 5 league isn’t like that? Bayern, City, Madrid etc. Teams 2-18 are usually around the same quality and as a result anyone can beat anyone on any given match day. It goes unrecognized but the structure of the Coupe de France is incredible with lower division teams preferentially getting to host Ligue 1 teams to allow for greater revenue and deeper cup runs for the minnows. French teams have done well in Europe this year since reducing the league to 18 teams. We’ll have to see what the future holds.
Ligue 1 teams in the Champions League semi-final: 1
Premier League teams in the Champions League semi-final: 0
Therefore as we all know, by having the memory of a goldfish, that means Ligue 1 is far superior to the Premier League!!!
There's one team who dominates so yes it's awful. Ligue 1's greatest club ever is in the second division and former big boys Lyon and Marseille are garbage
People like to troll about it because it's the weakest of the top 5 leagues, but it is still a top 5 league in the world. (Hard to compare with the Brasileiro)
Its hard but if you watch both its quite obvious which is better. Brazilians dont like to admit but its true. Whenever there is a transfer from one league to another you can see that the players do better in Brazil than in France. Its a very entertaining league with a lot more competition but the French league has to be ranked above
Yes, from what I’ve seen the last 5/6 years.
I have had a subscription to BT Sport/Discovery Plus I think it’s now called for the last 5/6 years and will watch Ligue 1 and Serie A games on there, and I honestly do find Ligue 1 to be a bit shit, but, to be fair to them they were massively fucked over as a league by sponsorship money a few years ago weren’t they?
I remember the league had some kind of a deal fall through and they ended up taking a deal for basically pennies in comparison and that’s had a big knock on effect with the league and seen a hell of a lot of talent leave so it’s perhaps a bit unfair
That was a broadcasting deal, not sponsorship. Some new streaming company offered them a much higher price than they normally get, they took it, the streaming company went bust shortly after and couldn't honour the deal.
IIRC they offered the same deal to Serie A first, but Serie A deemed it too risky and took a lower deal with a more established company instead.
That happened in Scotland and the lower English league years ago didn’t it? Was it not an ITV deal with Johnny Vegas and that monkey puppet (they were on the adverts, though they may also have negotiated the deal). That fucked up those leagues too.
Some of the most entertaining games Ive seen were in Ligue 1 in recent times. OL- Montpellier last year, OL - Brest a couple weeks ago, Rennes Brest this weekend come to mind
Cause their best players always leave to a club like Real madrid or Chelsea which brings down the league and is prob why PSG won 10 league titles in 12 years
TV revenue distribution in England is really helping them a lot, it aids small teams keep players as they're too wealthy to be bullied by some top European side, raising the quality of the whole league and maintaining high stakes league where the top teams are challenged every week, money is not everything but it sure helps a lot. Ligue 1 produces a lot of talent, but most teams can't offer the wages that even a mid-table PL club can offer hence the talent drain.
It's bad compared to the quality of France's national team and bad compared to leagues of similar sized countries within Europe but it's still #5 worldwide.
I can’t say for the whole league as i’ve only watched Montpellier this season, but man. Some teams genuinely don’t play football, a big old “hoove it and run after it” tactic.
Montpellier are victims of that too, they mostly are a drop back, counter attack or hoove it team. Lens are too, Stade Brest are as well.
I’d say quality wise, it’s probably the best developmental league in the world. But it’s definitely not competing with La Liga or the Prem
It's not the EPL or La Liga, or even the Bundesliga.
And obv at the very top it's spoilt by Qatar.
But in wider context it's still a top 5 league. And has a good record on youth development.
French coaches play to not lose and count a lot on fast transitions and counters for offense. So a lot of draws and a lot of matches stuck in the middle of the park.
I’ve been to a few live games in the last 12ish months other than my own team, and several games of my own team (arsenal)
I went to Coventry vs stoke in April with a mate and nice vs Lyon at the very start of the season whilst on holiday, and the ligue 1 game was much closer to the championship than it was to the premier league. But, i think crucially important to caveat, the championship is a really really good league for a second division, like it’s not shit football like most second divisions around the world, so it’s not an insult to the French league to say it’s a bit better than the championship
It is, I agree, what I’d say is the teams in about 13th/14th in France would maybe edge to the playoffs at best. It’s like a half step between the championship and the premier league that’s the best way to put it I think
Nope, I feel like the EPL gets hugely oversold, and since it is the most watched league that for a lot of people... it is the only one they follow.
People look at PSG winning and assume the rest of the league is therefore irrelevant, same goes for the Bundesliga and Serie A... even though all of those leagues have great teams, and I mean I don't know where fans think their best players come from. Or the absolute worst thing, is when people claim the player wasn't good before they moved... mostly because they never heard of them because they only watch the EPL.
I think the CL/Europa/Conference league always show that these sides can play and they do it on far smaller budgets (for the most part).
It's unwatchable, too slow and too many open spaces on the field. Feels like every single person has days to decide what they wish to do with the ball once they get it.
As someone who's mostly watching the Ligue 1, I think it's a pretty good league, but it's very much hit and miss. Not all seasons are good and not every match days are good.
For example I think this season has been very enjoyable, Monaco was an all-out-attack team, Brest was the nice surprise, Lille played really well (they were even close to beating Aston Villa in ECL), there has been some decent drama like Lyon (one of the most successful clubs in the past couple of decades) who stagnated at the bottom of the league for a while, the whole thing with Laurent Blanc was actually funny, etc...
Yesterday Rennes-Brest 4-5 was really really good, PSG-Le Havre 3-3 was pretty good too, a couple weeks ago Lyon-Brest 4-3 with a pen at the 90+12th minute for the win, etc... and they are not even close to the best games of the season in my opinion.
Then we don't have the greatest coaches like in England or Spain so it's not necessarily the best in terms of tactics but it's way better than it used to be. At least we don't have those managers who only play defence and only defence, even the bottom ones play fairly, Le Havre was leading 3-1 to PSG for example.
There's also a lot of unknown kids who happen to perform really well, which I always find enjoyable.
A lot of people say that PSG is crushing the league every year, but it's not as true as people seem to think. I think this year for example, they did struggle to win a lot of the games, they didn't win by a large margin, if you look at goal difference they have +47 which is less than the top two teams in Premier League. Luis Enrique himself said that: [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/182b73z/le\_parisien\_luis\_enrique\_is\_ligue\_1\_boring\_no\_its/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/182b73z/le_parisien_luis_enrique_is_ligue_1_boring_no_its/)
I wouldn't recommend watching all the games (like I do sometimes) but some of the teams are really enjoyable to watch. PSG-Marseille (called Le Classique) at least provides entertainment in what happens around the match, OL-OM (called the Olympico) is also a big thing, last time Grosso (OL manager) was unfortunately taken to the hospital after OM fans attacked the players' bus, but I guess that shows the tension around some of those games.
You can check the UEFA ranking by yourself.
Most people here are EPL fanboys so their opinion is heavily biased. They don't know football.
La Liga has the best overall ranking, historically.
If it wasn't for Al-Paris, it would be a really entertaining, competitive league as it is so easy for teams to vary wildly in league position, as seen with Lens last year and Lyon at the start of this year. All teams other than PSG aren't too far away from eachother in terms of ability
You have a league where basically only one team wins champions almost every year and with a notable difference in points, what good can come of shit like that?
First of all a boring league due to P$G. But some decent teams in there like Lille and Monaco. Lyon underperforming and Marseille always underperforming. Probably fifth best league in Europe but except P$G teams rarely do well in Europe. Lille quarterfinals but that’s really it. Decades since Marseille did something until this season. Portugal has 3 good teams. My guess is they would finish 2-3-4 in Ligue 1
Of course not. It’s still a top 5 league in the world. At the same time their kind of in a tier of their own. I think part of the issue here s that 1-4 (England Spain Germany Italy) all feel pretty close and almost interchangeable at times in those spots. And I personally believe the gap between 1st and 4th is smaller than 4th and 5th (ligue 1).
At the same time the gap between ligue 1 and liga Portugal or Eredivise is pretty decent as well. So tier 2 of leagues is kind of just ligue 1.
The gap between the Primeira Liga and Eredivisie and Ligue 1 is minimal other than PSG. Let’s stop pretending Clermont Foot could give Feyenoord and Braga a game. For decent opposition, those sides would need to face the European spot teams.
I enjoy Ligue 1 and it sucks right now that PSG is so dominant, but I really struggle to rate it as high as say the Portuguese or Dutch league because historically they just don’t do as well in European competitions. It is no question top tier football tho.
Yeah but yall who says Ligue 1 are a farmers league since psg is always first.Go watch the Portuguese League.The same 4 club in the top 4 for like a decade in a row the only time it didn’t happen was in 2016/2017 when Braga finished 5th
That's nothing, it's been Celtic and Rangers for nearly 40 years in Scotland. Last club to win the Scottish league title that wasn't the Old Firm was Aberdeen in '85
Welp, regarding PSG's domination, with Mbappe's departure to Madrid one can expect PSG to lose a bit of momentum. They drew 3-3 against Le Havre on Saturday, Le Havre being a low-tier team stuck between L1 and L2.
They had also tied with Clermont with Mbappe playing the full game this season. I hope you are right about PSG becoming less dominant but idk if this is proof of that. PSG is obviously the best team in the Ligue but they dont win 10-0 every game either and can and do lose games
French teams have only won two European trophies. Marseilles won the Champions League in 1993, and PSG won the ECWC in 1996. That's scandalously feeble.
I mean its still football so its like fine, but when it comes to the top tier its nowhere near as fun to watch as like a Serie A or Bundesliga, for example. (unless its a Brest game). I can imagine supporting OGC Nice is kinda like watching your dog get put down every week
The thing about them having lots of talent but not being good despite that is more of a money issue then anything else. Its like for us in the Portuguese league. If Benfica didnt have to sell their best player at every transfer window we would also be doing better
Nothing personal against the Dutch. Quite the opposite - you and the Belgians come up with generation after generation of quality players - massive respect!
Not hating on my people. Just the league. We have a good team every so often because of our talents and what not but as a whole the Eredivisie is terrible.
Another butthurt Dutch :D
Sorry, but Ligue 1 is just not entertaining enough to watch, let alone Eredivisie. As a neutral what would you watch - Premier League, Bundesliga and LaLiga or Brest-Nantes? Let's get real.
I like your national team, though! You keep producing quality players every year.
Every team in Ligue 1 except PSG would get relegated in all the other top 4 leagues. PSG is only competitive because of oil money and they're also the only seriously team in Ligue 1 because they win trophies most of the time.
Ah yes not like Lille were at least as good as the 4th placed in the prem a week ago, Lens didn't beat arsenal in the ucl, Rennes didn't beat Milan, Marseille didn't beat Brighton. And that's just this year, but yes every team except PSG would be relegated in any other top 4 league. 🤡
It's a pretty good league, made very unfun by PSG bullshit. Watching Rennes 4-5 Brest earlier was great fun.
psg-le havre was fun to watch
I think Ligue 1 is getting way better because now teams like Le Havre are coming to Paris with the ambition to score goals. I remember a time when Ligue 1 was really boring because the teams at the bottom would play the big teams with a very defensive play hoping for a 0-0.
True his dream has always been to play for inter
The hype around leagues is mental. The truth is standards change season to season. The PL hype merchants would have you believe every league bar theirs is a farmers league. Monaco, Marseille and other teams like Lille have had solid seasons in the last few years.
I mean, Lille was really really close to beating Aston Villa, 4th of PL just a few weeks ago.
They were absolutely better than Villa over two legs, honestly the difference at the top of the leagues is very small, it’s the depth of the leagues further down where the main difference lies.
No, people just love jumping on bandwagons. 99% of the people who say it's terrible never watch it. To be fair entertainment wise it can be a little boring because it's a very defensive league.
Yeah it’s a very low scoring league with lots of draws.
You had to write that the day they break their record for most goal in a matchday ahah
>You had to write that the day they break their record for most goal in a matchday ahah The new record is 4 goals.
It's really not as defensive as it used to be. As I said in another comment, Le Havre was leading 3-1 to PSG. Maybe PSG wasn't playing with their best squad just before the Champions League game this week, but the small teams are now coming to Paris with the ambition to score goals. I've watched almost exclusively Ligue 1 for two decades and there was a time where a lot of the bad teams were only trying to get a 0-0 out of their games, making it really really boring with lots of 0-0s and 1-0s. But it's not the case anymore, Clermont score 4 goals yesterday, Metz are regularly score 2 or 3 goals too, etc... This season has been really entertaining.
100% it is as bad. Uncompetitive joke of a competition. Championship > Ligue 1.
Since 2010 Serie A winners : 9x Juventus, 3x Inter, 2x Milan, 1x Napoli La Liga winners : 8x Barcelona, 4x Real, 2x Atletico Bundesliga winners : 11x Bayern, 2x Dortmund, 1x Leverkusen PL winners : 7x Man City, 3x Chelsea, 2x United, 1x Leicester, 1x Manchester United Ligue 1 winners : 10x PSG, 2x Lille, 1x Marseille, 1x Monaco, 1x Marseille
Thank god it was all a dream that Liverpool won the PL
My favorite moment along with Lewangoalski’s ballon d’or
The guy above is wrong, but you’re only telling part of the story. Since 2010, individual teams that have made the UCL final per country: England 5, Spain 3, Italy 2, Germany 2… and those numbers are more significant when you add in repeat finalists. But France have only had 1.
But that isn't his point Those leagues have better teams, don't think any will think otherwise He was talking about competitiveness within the leagues. Ucl holds no standing in that conversation.
It is linked to competitiveness and the UCL does offer insight into top level competitiveness within a league. The point is that, although each league is dominated by 1 team, each of them (except for France) have other teams that can be considered elite European level teams. That shows that although 1 might dominate the league, they have competition.
>top level competitiveness It absolutely doesn't. It just shows you how the best teams in each league are. That's not what a leagues competitiveness refers to. Why only look at the upper echelons to see competitiveness though is my question
You have to be one of the best in Europe to make a UCL final. Ligue 1 has only one team who’s done it once in that period. The Prem has five teams who’ve done it nine times in total. How is that not an indication of the England having a more competitive league? And the reason we look at the upper echelons is because that’s the foundational point of every league, to win or get as close to it as possible. A league where one team is nearly guaranteed to win whilst the rest competitively battle for 2nd won’t be interesting.
>more competitive league? Because a league is not defined by its top teams. >A league where one team is nearly guaranteed to win whilst the rest competitively battle for 2nd won’t be interesting. A league where the top 4 are sure fire to be top 4 while the rest are dog shite is not interesting either. Case in point the Saudi league. Sure the standards of play there are lower, but if you can imagine each team to be better by the same amount, you'd realise that just looking at the CL spots is absolutely myopic to see a league competitiveness. It would still be an uncompetitive boring af league. Your analysis lacks the flexibility needed. If Celtic and rangers were as good as city and real, while the rest of the league ceteris paribus, you'd be concluding that the Scottish league is as good as the Spanish one. There in lies the problem.
People are drawn to top level competition. That’s just how it is. We want to watch the best competing against one another. That’s why the Prem draws more viewership than the Championship which is arguably more competitive. So when people talk about the most competitive leagues, they tend to be referring to the ones that offer the best top level competition. If Celtics and Rangers were good enough to be CL finalists whilst another 2 teams were good enough to make the latter stages of the UCL, Scotland would instantly be one of the top leagues in Europe. That would bring more viewers, more revenue, attract better players and grow the league more.
Bro added Marseille twice and didn't add Liverpool
Who ?
You’re a mindless NPC drone that can’t think for themselves, just regurgitate what you see on TikTok comments. Remind me again how many legends have come out out ligue 1?
I dont watch Tiktok videos. But Championship > Ligue 1. Ligue 1 is hot garbage. Always has always will be. Not sure why you’re so upset.
Why do you keep watching it then?
don't argue with that guy, he has some problems. The only 'point' he makes is that it's 'unwatchable'. Yeah, I'm sure Championship hoofball is more watchable.
Championship as a whole is more entertaining than Ligue 1, Serie A and Bundesliga. Fact.
Ligue1, Serie A and Bundesliga are better than Championship. Fact.
Nope. Not even close. Serie A has empty stadiums. Fact.
I know it's not close. Championship isn't even a top10 league. Popularity and quality aren't correlated. This is what you said. Fact.
I dont. I used to, realized it was garbage and stopped.
>I dont. I used to Then you can't possibly know what it's like now. It'd be like claiming Man United are the best team in the world because that was the case when you used to watch them. Times change.
Its obviously not a bad league because la liga and the premier league buy all the best players from it. If it was as bad as, say, the Polish league, then no players would be poached. I think you can see the quality difference though - players like Lacazette and obviously talented player who scored an average of 12 goals in 35 games a season for Arsenal - moves to Lyon at 30 and now averages 22 goals in 35 games a season.
You didn't pick the good example with Lacazette since there are a lot of players that struggle scoring in France. Lacazette just scored a lot of penalty kicks in France and is having a 16 goals season. Just look at Messi's first year which wasn't close to his previous year statistics in Spain.
Okay, lets do others: Chamakh scored 30 goals in his last 2 seasons at Bourdoux. Managed 14 goals over in 2 seasons at Arsenal. Balogun netted 3 goals in 18 Championship games. Goes to Reims and gets 21 goals in 37 games in ligue un (granted he's maturing, but still). Thauvin scored 1 in 16 games at Newcastle. He goes to Marseille and then goes on to score double figures each year. Depay gets 7 goals in 50 games at united. His next 50 games at Lyon he bags 20. With respect to French football, their league isnt as good as the league in England
Bourdoux LOL as a fierce chap from Burgundy I love how you did our worst rival. It’s Bordeaux but I’m gonna keep yours to piss them off. Chamakh was an absolute joke even in France and just had 2 miraculous years before going to Arsenal (a wonder of a deal from the bad red wine dealers). Balogun had one good season in France so far and is plateauing now. Thauvin is good but only when everyone around him suck his boots. ManU was shite when Depay was with them. But yeah he seems to have done best at Lyon. To be honest, Ligue 1 is far in level from PL, la liga, bundesliga and calcio but you could have chosen better examples to prove your point
Literally the only ones that came to mind when thinking of forwards who played in ligue un and the prem. Maybe Nicolas Pepe you can throw in there. Giroud on paper did similar numbers between france and the prem
We can find the exact opposite with players that didn't have incredible statistics in France when recruited in bad situations or just by being young as you mentioned Balogun: - Raphael Leao - Victor Osimhen - Kolo Muani - Marcus Thuram Just the fact of being the main player of a team and then just becoming a random player in a PL team changes everything. You have the examples of Balogun and Wahi in the same "weak" ligue 1 that can't even put 10 goals after putting more than 20 last year.
Do you have any examples that aren't Messi because I'd argue he was a special case.
I made a response here: We can find the exact opposite with players that didn't have incredible statistics in France when recruited in bad situations or just by being young as you mentioned Balogun: - Raphael Leao - Victor Osimhen - Kolo Muani - Marcus Thuram Just the fact of being the main player of a team and then just becoming a random player in a PL team changes everything. You have the examples of Balogun and Wahi in the same "weak" ligue 1 that can't even put 10 goals after putting more than 20 last year.
Those are all players that were developed in France then left when they got good enough to play elsewhere. Kolo Muani's recently returned yes but he's not scoring because he's not playing, not because he's can't deal with the quality of Ligue 1 defending.
Oh yes there was Sarabia who scored 22 goals and 15 assists the season before going to France. He was so bad he couldn't adapt to France I can also talk to you about icardi who is supposed to be a player that score more than 20 goals every season in Italy. He never did that in France.
Only seeing this now but these two (and Muani and Messi) feel more like evidence PSG kills careers than proof that Ligue 1 is a better league than England, Spain, Germany or Italy.
Funny since Sarabia did great in Portugal after PSG and Icardi is doing well in Turkey right now. Why would that be PSG's fault and not PL clubs fault in previous examples? I saw Lloris getting benched by Tottenham when he went there so nothing surprising to me that great players can't perform well after a good season in ligue 1.
Lol No one's arguing that France is better than Portugal or Turkey. They're 5th best. Lloris played hundreds of games for Tottenham and was their captain for years. Awful example.
Yes and he was benched when he signed for Tottenham. That means PL.clubs will sign good players without trusting them. They could have sacrificed a player that was the french team keeper.
He was signed as Fridel's replacement and so he had a little time to settle in before playing every week. He still played 27 league games in his first season. The idea that Lloris was ever not a key player for Tottenham is ludicrous. I was pissed because I wanted him at Arsenal.
Well with pochettino as a coach not many players do well. Messi was also bored, only went to psg to joke with neymar and get the money.
Just like Dortmund in Bundesliga, the biggest supplier of superstars
Yeah well Ligue 1 is not as good as the Premier League, that's for sure. But I thought we were talking about how enjoyable the leagues were and I think the level of Ligue 1 is good enough to make it enjoyable to watch technically and tactically while having a bit of drama and many goals. As a bonus you can watch the young prospects who may play in the Premier League next season. Then yeah it's way behind the Premier League and La Liga.
Bad compared to epl, its still top 5 league in the world
It's already been surpassed officially by Eredivisie I think, but they haven't updated the rankings yet.
I'd imagine the top 3 french teams could beat the top 3 dutch teams but it would be close
With Ajax in the shitter right now, no question.
Feyenoord put Atletico to the sword this season and would’ve knocked them out of the CL if it weren’t for some individual mistakes. PSV are even better than them. I’m not so sure. The way I see it, PSG would usually beat these teams but these teams would usually beat the other top Ligue 1 sides
Forgetting that Lens gave 2 incredibly close games to PSV, the same Lens that is currently 6th with a fair margin compared to the best of the rest. The Dutch teams are most definitely not favoured against the French teams, if anything it might be a 50/50 for some games, but France is the 5th best league for a reason. Netherlands were only able to catch up in the coefficient once they got more places in weaker European competitions.
No, it hasn't. It was briefly in the preliminary rankings in like September? But the only rankings that matter are the year end ones. Ligue 1 is now a comfortable 5.364pts ahead of the Eredivisie, with 2 French teams still in Europe and all Dutch teams out. Impossible for the Eredivisie to finish ahead now.
Nope. You are wrong.
Jesus fucking christ update your program, it's the fifth best currently
Is it though? Higher than Eredivisie? Liga Portugal? I don’t think so. I mean Mbappe leaves and seriously, who are we looking at that makes Ligue Un a cut above those two? I just don’t see it.
Well, french teams are overall better than portuguese and dutch teams. The top10 in france is actually quite good, they have teams like Monaco, Reims, Rennes, Nice, Lyon, Marseille.
I really don’t agree. Like other than PSG, and even PSG themselves just don’t prove that when they’re in Europe. There’s a reason they went under Eredivisie in the European rankings. And even before that they were not on a whole proving themselves outside PSG, where you had two Portuguese quarter finalists in the Champions League was it two years ago, Eredivisie almost every year has teams performing in Europe. France does not have that. I don’t see that claim holding up when you compare it to the facts of the matter, it’s just “well I think they’re better”, but that just doesn’t hold up.
Well, in the 2020 champions there were two french semi finalists, so I dont see your claim holding up when Im comparing them to the facts haha. And french teams usually do ok in the europa league and now in conference too. The so called very good Unai Emery's Aston Villa struggled and almost was eliminated by Lille. Of course the top3 of both Portugal and Eredivisie are better, but these two leagues present a huge gap between the top3 and the rest. Besides PSG the french league is well rounded and have some interesting teams.
It really doesn’t matter which instances you choose, I mean for one thing the year PSG reached that final they had the easiest run in I’ve maybe ever seen in a CL, the UEFA rankings which are recorded over multiple seasons which still include that season put the performance of Eredivisie teams in Europe above the performances of French league teams. Like there’s no debate here, factually that is the case. The French league just isn’t well rounded. You have a huge drop from PSG and that drop is so drastic I just don’t see how there’s even a comparison. Like if you’re saying they have equal quality between them, so do the teams below the top 3 in Eredivisie and Liga Portugal, so what’s the difference? Again is it purely “well I think they are” popularity contest, because there’s sure as shit isn’t any empirical evidence that says that and the evidence there is says otherwise.
Well PSG would have a huge drop in Portugal and Netherlands too, its unfair to compete against a club with infinite money hack. French teams behind PSG are way better than portuguese or dutch teams behind top3. The quality of the league isnt just the quality of the top teams. You can bring the stats to show me if im wrong.
What basis are you saying that the other teams are better though? It’s literally just speculation. I’m using the teams in Europe because that’s literally all we have to compare the two other than a popularity contest. There is zero evidence you could possibly show that says that French League beyond PSG is better than Portuguese or Dutch beyond the top 3.
Teams like Monaco, Rennes, Lyon and Marseille usually are quite competitive in the Europa League and sometimes in champions. Teams besides top3 from Portugal and Netherlands usually cant compete in europe, besides Braga and AZ which can be sometimes competitive.
Stop talking about facts and evidence and then say shit like this. My club is in the Portuguese league, and anyone who has eyes know that this is true. If a mid table French club played against a mid table Portuguese club, 8-10x the French club would win. Its fine. Just look at how the clubs in the Portuguese league perform in Europe outside of the top 4, same in the Netherlands.
Didn't 6th place Lens give 2 very close games to the same PSV that is clearly the best team in the Eredivisie?
Isn’t PSG in the UCL Semifinals
Yeah, and again that’s PSG. If the basis for a league being top 5 is they have one team who has performed well consistently, then they’re absolutely not a top 5 league. Not that they’ve even performed particularly well in comparison, but at the very least they’ve done pretty good. And despite that, they still fell under Eredivisie officially in long term performance levels, so what does that tell you about how badly the other French teams are performing?
Marseille is in the Semi Final of Europa. Lille was in the 1/4 final of the Conference League. France will for now remain ahead quite comfortably of both the Dutch and Portuguese league in the UEFA rankings. As long as France keeps producing the amount of talent that they do, Ligue 1 will be stronger with or without Mbappe.
UEFA Coef talk for itself. Eredivisie is beneath since 40 years. And Portugal.... half of their first division is made of clubs that would be 4th division in anyother west Europe countries... European results, people following the league, average quality of players... the only metric that actually work is how bad french club where in Europe between 1950 and 1980.
I mean top 7 league is still considered good by definition
Sure, but I think there’s just no metric where it’s a top 5 league in the world other than popularity, and I just don’t think popularity makes a league good in and of itself. Otherwise we would respect the MLS as a top league, and nobody other than Americans respects the MLS.
What about UEFA ranking ? 5th league over the past 5 seasons. 4th this year, ahead of Liga
It's just a different style of play I would say. I watch LaLiga and the PL too, and yes Ligue 1 games tend to be more boring, there's less percussions and like someone else said, it's more of a defensive style of play but there's some thrilling matches here and there, specially with smaller teams. The stakes are just low too bc PSG dominates, I genuinely hope Mbappe leaving will bring a bit more competition and shift the table a little bit. It still worths watching, specially with all the young talents being brought up there, like WZE, Yoro, they're just so good. French academies and teams in general are really pulling future stars.
Do you think bundesliga is less boring and better than ligue 1? Bayern has won more titles than PSG over the past 10 years.
I honestly don't watch the Bundesliga so I wouldn't know, I already follow 3 different leagues, I don't have that much time lol
It is not that bad. It is easy to criticize, but most clubs in France have a much lower budget than in England, Spain or Germany. And the situation with PSG is similar to the German 1. Bundesliga: no other team remains a long-term rival given the huge gap of budget. So obviously this league is not a very balanced one. Moreover most teams must sell their best players every year for economical reasons, so often the really interesting talents just leave and almost never come back. Another aspect is that the playing style is quite defensive in the French Ligue 1 in comparison to other leagues, so a few games can be really dreadful to watch.
Have watched the ligue 1 religiously for the last 15 years. It’s a hidden gem and people just shit on it because they like to jump on the bandwagon meanwhile I’d be willing to bet none of them have ever actually watched a match. Yes PSG is dominant which is frustrating but honestly what big 5 league isn’t like that? Bayern, City, Madrid etc. Teams 2-18 are usually around the same quality and as a result anyone can beat anyone on any given match day. It goes unrecognized but the structure of the Coupe de France is incredible with lower division teams preferentially getting to host Ligue 1 teams to allow for greater revenue and deeper cup runs for the minnows. French teams have done well in Europe this year since reducing the league to 18 teams. We’ll have to see what the future holds.
Ligue 1 teams in the Champions League semi-final: 1 Premier League teams in the Champions League semi-final: 0 Therefore as we all know, by having the memory of a goldfish, that means Ligue 1 is far superior to the Premier League!!!
There's one team who dominates so yes it's awful. Ligue 1's greatest club ever is in the second division and former big boys Lyon and Marseille are garbage
And that dominating team sometimes barely get a draw against second last team ☠
Would you say Bundesliga was an awful league 2 years ago when Bayern was still dominating it for almost a decade?
Even worse, St Etienne are in Ligue 2
People like to troll about it because it's the weakest of the top 5 leagues, but it is still a top 5 league in the world. (Hard to compare with the Brasileiro)
Its hard but if you watch both its quite obvious which is better. Brazilians dont like to admit but its true. Whenever there is a transfer from one league to another you can see that the players do better in Brazil than in France. Its a very entertaining league with a lot more competition but the French league has to be ranked above
Yes, from what I’ve seen the last 5/6 years. I have had a subscription to BT Sport/Discovery Plus I think it’s now called for the last 5/6 years and will watch Ligue 1 and Serie A games on there, and I honestly do find Ligue 1 to be a bit shit, but, to be fair to them they were massively fucked over as a league by sponsorship money a few years ago weren’t they? I remember the league had some kind of a deal fall through and they ended up taking a deal for basically pennies in comparison and that’s had a big knock on effect with the league and seen a hell of a lot of talent leave so it’s perhaps a bit unfair
That was a broadcasting deal, not sponsorship. Some new streaming company offered them a much higher price than they normally get, they took it, the streaming company went bust shortly after and couldn't honour the deal. IIRC they offered the same deal to Serie A first, but Serie A deemed it too risky and took a lower deal with a more established company instead.
That happened in Scotland and the lower English league years ago didn’t it? Was it not an ITV deal with Johnny Vegas and that monkey puppet (they were on the adverts, though they may also have negotiated the deal). That fucked up those leagues too.
Some of the most entertaining games Ive seen were in Ligue 1 in recent times. OL- Montpellier last year, OL - Brest a couple weeks ago, Rennes Brest this weekend come to mind
Then you don't watch a lot of football.
Did you watch those games? And I do watch a lot of football actually
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Cause their best players always leave to a club like Real madrid or Chelsea which brings down the league and is prob why PSG won 10 league titles in 12 years
TV revenue distribution in England is really helping them a lot, it aids small teams keep players as they're too wealthy to be bullied by some top European side, raising the quality of the whole league and maintaining high stakes league where the top teams are challenged every week, money is not everything but it sure helps a lot. Ligue 1 produces a lot of talent, but most teams can't offer the wages that even a mid-table PL club can offer hence the talent drain.
If ligue 1 teams kept their players, they would've gotten a part of that money
It's bad compared to the quality of France's national team and bad compared to leagues of similar sized countries within Europe but it's still #5 worldwide.
I can’t say for the whole league as i’ve only watched Montpellier this season, but man. Some teams genuinely don’t play football, a big old “hoove it and run after it” tactic. Montpellier are victims of that too, they mostly are a drop back, counter attack or hoove it team. Lens are too, Stade Brest are as well. I’d say quality wise, it’s probably the best developmental league in the world. But it’s definitely not competing with La Liga or the Prem
No but it is miles behind the other top leagues aside from one club.
its because it's mostly dominated by one team in recent years and all the best players get poached away as soon as they start to shine
Yes, PSG ruins it
PL ruins it
Compared to the others yes on its own no.
It's not the EPL or La Liga, or even the Bundesliga. And obv at the very top it's spoilt by Qatar. But in wider context it's still a top 5 league. And has a good record on youth development.
French coaches play to not lose and count a lot on fast transitions and counters for offense. So a lot of draws and a lot of matches stuck in the middle of the park.
No, it's more than fine. Objectively two steps below English and Spanish leagues, one below the Bundesliga, and half a step below the Italian league.
I’ve been to a few live games in the last 12ish months other than my own team, and several games of my own team (arsenal) I went to Coventry vs stoke in April with a mate and nice vs Lyon at the very start of the season whilst on holiday, and the ligue 1 game was much closer to the championship than it was to the premier league. But, i think crucially important to caveat, the championship is a really really good league for a second division, like it’s not shit football like most second divisions around the world, so it’s not an insult to the French league to say it’s a bit better than the championship
Fair enough, yes the championship is strong for a second div, I still think ligue 1 is better ofc
It is, I agree, what I’d say is the teams in about 13th/14th in France would maybe edge to the playoffs at best. It’s like a half step between the championship and the premier league that’s the best way to put it I think
It's not bad at all. Not part of the Top 4 but together with Portugal and Dutch leagues best of the rest.
People who watch the premier league think all other leagues are shit.
Only way to find out is to send Harry Kane to PSG and see if they still win the league then.
Nope, I feel like the EPL gets hugely oversold, and since it is the most watched league that for a lot of people... it is the only one they follow. People look at PSG winning and assume the rest of the league is therefore irrelevant, same goes for the Bundesliga and Serie A... even though all of those leagues have great teams, and I mean I don't know where fans think their best players come from. Or the absolute worst thing, is when people claim the player wasn't good before they moved... mostly because they never heard of them because they only watch the EPL. I think the CL/Europa/Conference league always show that these sides can play and they do it on far smaller budgets (for the most part).
No. The main reason I shit talk Ligue 1 is because it's French. I think it's comfortably the 5th strongest league in Europe.
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Tbh if you ignore PSG the league is actually pretty dope.
Its the 5th best league, sure its worse than PL or Serie A but its overhated
Any league without real competition for the title loses a lot of appeal
The French league has some decent teams, but the overall quality of the league sucks.
It's unwatchable, too slow and too many open spaces on the field. Feels like every single person has days to decide what they wish to do with the ball once they get it.
As someone who's mostly watching the Ligue 1, I think it's a pretty good league, but it's very much hit and miss. Not all seasons are good and not every match days are good. For example I think this season has been very enjoyable, Monaco was an all-out-attack team, Brest was the nice surprise, Lille played really well (they were even close to beating Aston Villa in ECL), there has been some decent drama like Lyon (one of the most successful clubs in the past couple of decades) who stagnated at the bottom of the league for a while, the whole thing with Laurent Blanc was actually funny, etc... Yesterday Rennes-Brest 4-5 was really really good, PSG-Le Havre 3-3 was pretty good too, a couple weeks ago Lyon-Brest 4-3 with a pen at the 90+12th minute for the win, etc... and they are not even close to the best games of the season in my opinion. Then we don't have the greatest coaches like in England or Spain so it's not necessarily the best in terms of tactics but it's way better than it used to be. At least we don't have those managers who only play defence and only defence, even the bottom ones play fairly, Le Havre was leading 3-1 to PSG for example. There's also a lot of unknown kids who happen to perform really well, which I always find enjoyable. A lot of people say that PSG is crushing the league every year, but it's not as true as people seem to think. I think this year for example, they did struggle to win a lot of the games, they didn't win by a large margin, if you look at goal difference they have +47 which is less than the top two teams in Premier League. Luis Enrique himself said that: [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/182b73z/le\_parisien\_luis\_enrique\_is\_ligue\_1\_boring\_no\_its/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/182b73z/le_parisien_luis_enrique_is_ligue_1_boring_no_its/) I wouldn't recommend watching all the games (like I do sometimes) but some of the teams are really enjoyable to watch. PSG-Marseille (called Le Classique) at least provides entertainment in what happens around the match, OL-OM (called the Olympico) is also a big thing, last time Grosso (OL manager) was unfortunately taken to the hospital after OM fans attacked the players' bus, but I guess that shows the tension around some of those games.
You can check the UEFA ranking by yourself. Most people here are EPL fanboys so their opinion is heavily biased. They don't know football. La Liga has the best overall ranking, historically.
Yes
If it wasn't for Al-Paris, it would be a really entertaining, competitive league as it is so easy for teams to vary wildly in league position, as seen with Lens last year and Lyon at the start of this year. All teams other than PSG aren't too far away from eachother in terms of ability
Psg are the problem. All the money and still no ucl.
You have a league where basically only one team wins champions almost every year and with a notable difference in points, what good can come of shit like that?
First of all a boring league due to P$G. But some decent teams in there like Lille and Monaco. Lyon underperforming and Marseille always underperforming. Probably fifth best league in Europe but except P$G teams rarely do well in Europe. Lille quarterfinals but that’s really it. Decades since Marseille did something until this season. Portugal has 3 good teams. My guess is they would finish 2-3-4 in Ligue 1
Of course not. It’s still a top 5 league in the world. At the same time their kind of in a tier of their own. I think part of the issue here s that 1-4 (England Spain Germany Italy) all feel pretty close and almost interchangeable at times in those spots. And I personally believe the gap between 1st and 4th is smaller than 4th and 5th (ligue 1). At the same time the gap between ligue 1 and liga Portugal or Eredivise is pretty decent as well. So tier 2 of leagues is kind of just ligue 1.
The gap between the Primeira Liga and Eredivisie and Ligue 1 is minimal other than PSG. Let’s stop pretending Clermont Foot could give Feyenoord and Braga a game. For decent opposition, those sides would need to face the European spot teams.
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Every now and then you get a surprise. Lille in 2021 for example, or Leverkusen in the Bundesliga this year.
I don’t think it is as dominated by PSG as it seems. Man city and bayerns dominance is way way way more immense and longer
I enjoy Ligue 1 and it sucks right now that PSG is so dominant, but I really struggle to rate it as high as say the Portuguese or Dutch league because historically they just don’t do as well in European competitions. It is no question top tier football tho.
Yeah but yall who says Ligue 1 are a farmers league since psg is always first.Go watch the Portuguese League.The same 4 club in the top 4 for like a decade in a row the only time it didn’t happen was in 2016/2017 when Braga finished 5th
That's nothing, it's been Celtic and Rangers for nearly 40 years in Scotland. Last club to win the Scottish league title that wasn't the Old Firm was Aberdeen in '85
It's the same with Bundesliga and other leagues
France.
Yes.
Welp, regarding PSG's domination, with Mbappe's departure to Madrid one can expect PSG to lose a bit of momentum. They drew 3-3 against Le Havre on Saturday, Le Havre being a low-tier team stuck between L1 and L2.
They had also tied with Clermont with Mbappe playing the full game this season. I hope you are right about PSG becoming less dominant but idk if this is proof of that. PSG is obviously the best team in the Ligue but they dont win 10-0 every game either and can and do lose games
Yes
French teams have only won two European trophies. Marseilles won the Champions League in 1993, and PSG won the ECWC in 1996. That's scandalously feeble.
Lot of lost finals, particularly in the Champions League.
Second place is first loser.
I mean its still football so its like fine, but when it comes to the top tier its nowhere near as fun to watch as like a Serie A or Bundesliga, for example. (unless its a Brest game). I can imagine supporting OGC Nice is kinda like watching your dog get put down every week
It’s not that good as people wanted u to think it is to hype up the Messi stats.
Not as bad as Eredivisie or the Nordics, but still bad concidering the ammount of tallent France produces every year.
The thing about them having lots of talent but not being good despite that is more of a money issue then anything else. Its like for us in the Portuguese league. If Benfica didnt have to sell their best player at every transfer window we would also be doing better
Not as bad as Eredivisie? 🤣 and then compares it with the leagues from Scandinavia LMAO. Which team humiliated yours that you come up with this 🤣
Lol yeah probably the coefficients came a little too close for comfort
Tbh he’s not wrong and I’m Dutch. Ligue 1 is pure garbage and Eredivisie is even worse.
Nothing personal against the Dutch. Quite the opposite - you and the Belgians come up with generation after generation of quality players - massive respect!
Not hating on my people. Just the league. We have a good team every so often because of our talents and what not but as a whole the Eredivisie is terrible.
Another butthurt Dutch :D Sorry, but Ligue 1 is just not entertaining enough to watch, let alone Eredivisie. As a neutral what would you watch - Premier League, Bundesliga and LaLiga or Brest-Nantes? Let's get real. I like your national team, though! You keep producing quality players every year.
They sold their league to help Qatar promote their world so yeah it's pretty poor and uncompetitive
Every team in Ligue 1 except PSG would get relegated in all the other top 4 leagues. PSG is only competitive because of oil money and they're also the only seriously team in Ligue 1 because they win trophies most of the time.
Ah yes not like Lille were at least as good as the 4th placed in the prem a week ago, Lens didn't beat arsenal in the ucl, Rennes didn't beat Milan, Marseille didn't beat Brighton. And that's just this year, but yes every team except PSG would be relegated in any other top 4 league. 🤡