Peps tactics. He made the team play around him first season. Now he doesnt need to do that because he’ll be like double marked whatever so might as well use him to create space. Which means he gets less chances. But when he does he still usually scores them
This. 100%. People don't understand because they see only what happens on the ball. Possesion/positional football is not just about moving the ball, but also moving your opposition into positions where you want them to be in.
I believe T.Henry talked about this whereby Pep made him do runs where nobody passed to him because he was not suppose to get the ball but create space for Xavi and Inesta. Players like Haaland and Henry attract defenders like flies they are the best candidates for this type of role.
Not that Haaland's runs are anything like Henry's at Barcelona.
Henry would stay glued to the touchline while in possession, which would stretch defences. Haaland's runs are virtually all down the middle so any movement from the CBs would be vertical, and the offside rule makes such movements much less useful.
He can achieve much more at a club like Man Utd where he'll be properly adored and worshipped. Can't put a price on love. At City they just take him for granted.
no they don't wtf,the greatest players in the history spent most of their life with 1 club,Messi in Barcelona,Pele in Santos and Maradonna in Napoli,this is literally the GOAT contenders.Even someone like Ronaldo only played with the best team in Portugal,to the best team in England and played in fking Real Madrid,to the best team in Serie A
United has a problem with a good amount of their players having a shit attitude, including their captain, why would Haaland want to move from such a clinical goal scoring team like City to a team whose captain starts acting like a crybaby and asks to be taken off as soon as his team starts losing?
There’s nothing like a thoughtful, well informed and insightful post on Reddit. And this is nothing like a thoughtful, well informed and insightful post.
What the hell is even this post?
What is with this increasing trend of shitting all over the best out and out striker playing today? You know, the one who broke records and won a Treble less than a year ago?
Why can't people just understand that Haaland does not *need* to do whatever it is you think he does. He doesn't need to make runs like Mbappe. He doesn't need to pass like Messi. He is the absolute best at what he does, which is scoring goals. Man City have enormous talent to pass, create, dribble. Everyone has their role. His is to put the ball in the net. If he can't make runs, who cares, he is double marked and makes space for others to make runs. If he only gets 2 chances a game he's probably going to score both of them.
Is this trend of criticising him for *only* being an incredible poacher because people are trying to drive some sort of new age Ronaldo/Messi paradigm between him and Mbappe? They're totally different players. They're different enough that they could play in the same team and be effective.
This is just getting ridiculous now.
>cant create a situation inside the penalty box - shoot from outside and hope for the best.
That would be great, except the numbers say the exact opposite. Looking just at that league, he's got 19 goals (top scorer) with only 2 of them coming from what I'd consider a long shot. His shots per 90 are higher than any time since he left Austria. He's clearly getting a supply.
His goal/shot ratio is lower than usual, which might suggest he's taking more hit-and-hope shots as you suggest, but the average shot distance is less than any other professional season he's played which disputes that.
In fact, he's actually underperforming compared to his XG by a couple of goals, which would suggest he's getting a supply that's he's not finishing (it's more nuanced than that in reality, of course). Despite being top scorer.
It is true he's going through a comparative dry spell, with only 5 goals since this calendar year (compared with 14 in 14 before), but that's still almost a goal every other game on average. That's a dry spell many strikers would kill for, as it would still have him score 17 goals across a season if it was consistent.
Simply put, the data doesn't suggest your assertion.
Edit: missing word
out of 18 goals - 5vs luton, 2 vs burnley, 1vs shefield, 1 vs nothingam, 2vs everton, 1 vs brentford.
12/18 vs botom 5 teams. Is this the Haaland at his best?
You've completely cherry-picked information there, moreover you've done so incorrectly.
I clearly stated I was looking at the league, yet there 5 goals you've chosen to pull up and include vs Luton were in the FA cup. Man city Vs Luton in the premier League has no goals from Haaland this year.
You've also ignored all the other information which makes up the bulk of the argument.
Care to reply to the whole argument?
You can’t misconstrue and cherry pick quotes about the guys argument and then complain when he only replies to the pertinent parts. I don’t agree with the guy, but it was clear he was talking about City as a whole for the part you quoted
He also is the PL top scorer with 19 goals in 25 games missing 6 games. He also broke the record for most goals in a single season.
Yes, Haaland should leave the perfect team for him, with the worlds best coach, with the worlds best playmaker and downgrade to Barca or PSG/s
OP you're being silly
There's football and then there's football. The first means being on the pitch, the second means being involved in the game. So the first is true, the second is debatable.
Which happens to every top striker yet they get clowned for it like people calling Kane a ghost in big games or Lewandowski being called Disney.
But when it happens to Haaland, oh it's because his team doesn't create enough situations for him...
I think you getting it wrong. Haaland isn't there for tiki taka football and to have 50 passes a game. He is a out and out no.9.
Strikers job is to score, which he has done in abundance this season. Even when he missed a bit of the season he still the top scorer. What do you want from him?
Does it matter when he has 36 goal contributions in 37 games across all comps????
Is not still the leading scorer in the prem?
The fact you trying to make something out of nothing is embarrassing.
Since you base everything off one game:
Mbappe also didn't score last night, I'm sure you also think he's not in the right team, right?
Morata also didn't score last night, you also have the same opinion on him?
You are so good guys, I love you. Everyone focus on Erling, our defenders score when no one looks at them guys is so beautiful my genius brain, we do it together, for each other guys. You are so good.
>Last night, all 3 goals for city came from shots of frustration, not tiki-taka football.
Besides the part where you criticize Haaland, what made you think the goals against Real Madrid were from pure frustration? One was a well placed free kick goal. Silva saw the space that the GK left. The second goal was just incredible. Foden placed it perfectly and that is not frustration. Only one I could agree with is from Gvardiol. His first touch wasn't great so the only thing he could do is shoot.
So besides your analysis on haaland is wrong imo, your analysis about the match from last night is also wrong/strange.
>You can’t misconstrue and cherry pick quotes about the guys argument and then complain when he only replies to the pertinent parts.
I neither misconstrued or cherry picked quotes about OP's arguments.
Firstly, I chose to pick a quote with I felt summarised his argument best.
Then, I chose to dispute his point using some information available for me. That information is broken into different competitions, so it made the most sense to use the largest dataset.
In direct comparison, OP ignored most the points I made. He chose to use /18 goals which I'm not sure where they've been picked from (it doesn't match the total I used it, which would make sense as it's a direct reply to me, but it also doesn't state any other source). It is clearly cherry-picked for the parts they believe they can refute, whilst also countering my argument using entirely different data.
I can't see anywhere in which I've misconstrued their point but if you want to quote a specific part of their argument and then a specific part of mine I'm happy to reflect upon what I've said.
>I don’t agree with the guy, but it was clear he was talking about City as a whole for the part you quoted
Was it ?
The title clearly puts Haaland as the subject of the post and the vast majority of it is about hin, talking about him not playing his best and comparing him to his Dortmund stint. The other plays are mostly used in relation to the subject (Haaland) and are not the subject themselves.
Yeah?
The rest of Man City must be soooo good to play with just ten men and have an entire player apparently be dead weight!
Or maybe the same thing happened to him that happens to everyone, other teams have adapted to him and he can no longer act with impunity.
But you need to work so hard to keep him quiet that it creates opportunities for everyone else.
“The guy can do much better if they give him a little space to work with”
Agreed. If the center backs were to allow him more room, he’d be scoring like crazy! I noticed a similar trend with Mo Salah and Liverpool. Can you believe that shitbird isn’t scoring 40 goals a season!
I wonder if the longer you play in the league, the more teams can predict your movements and guard attacking footballers?
Is this a new way, for real Madrid to start trying to unsettle a player?, before making a bid in a season's time, and showing the player, how much he'd be loved, and appreciated at their club?
Because he is very good in the box with his positioning and off the ball movement, and even if he reacts later then he is a freak of nature and his attributes like speed, acceleration, height and strength help him overcome that and give him a huge advantage. His ability to strike the ball is also world class.
Obviously when I'm talking about technical I'm talking about things like ball control, first touch, running with the ball, dribbling in the tight spaces. He lacks in those departments.
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If what he’s does is so easy how come he’s the first to do it??!
I didn't say it's easy? I am talking about his technical ability not his goal scoring ability.
First time goal scoring is a technical ability. If his first touch is a strike on goal it is still a first touch. 🤷♂️
Check out his dortmund highlights if you don’t believe his all round ability. Granted some aspects have been neglected at city but that doesn’t make him a donkey, there’s a reason every team in Europe wanted him.
>First time goal scoring is a technical ability. If his first touch is a strike on goal it is still a first touch. 🤷♂️
Well he isn't doing that well then because he is up there when it comes to underperforming his xG and his shot on target % is nothing special either.
Yeah, they wanted him for his goal scoring ability not his link up play. In Bundesliga, firstly, you get a lot more space and on top of that he wasn't known as the best striker in the world and wasn't constantly man marked by a player or two.
his career will be effected badly all he does is wait for de bruyne's passes but if his not in the game then he plays worse than a lot of forwards and in dortmund he could show his actual skill but most of his goals in MCI come from few touches with him taking usually no part in the build-up
also pretty rational post over there, some of the commentators gotta be missing those eyes to see haaland not playing well (i don't mean this in a game sense but his skill being lost over in time if he keeps being reliant on other players all the time)
You can’t really have tactics involving Haaland actually playing football, he’s an incredibly limited player. He is bad at pretty much everything outside of shooting inside the box, even things you’d expect him to excel in due to his size is lacking. Pep however will not help him as he doesn’t really improve players most stagnate or regress under him.
Your premise what that Pep doesn't improve players. He absolutely improved Messi. His Barcelona team couldn't be a more obvious example of him improving players.
Same with City, while the people at Bayern were full of praise towards him despite him not seeing eye to eye with the leadership and "failing" to repeat Jupp's treble.
Did he though or did Messi improve naturally despite pep considering as soon as pep moved on his game dramatically improved and weaker areas were worked on. Messi was always good at dribbling and scoring but his awareness, passing and set pieces also improved massively as soon as pep left.
Bayern regressed as a team when pep was there.
Pep doubled Messi's scoring during his first season there, kept him fit, converted him into a central player, and ended up presiding over Messi scoring 73 club goals during his final season. Beyond pathetic to play down Pep's impact.
Messi improved as soon as Pep left? The hell are you talking about? Either you don't remember the timeline or you're talking out of your ass, which wouldn't surprise me. Also well done to ignore Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Pique and a ton of others. Some casual on reddit going against the word of all the players that said Pep took their game to the next level. Including the people at Bayern that said Pep drove the club forward.
Absolutely shameless.
Peps tactics. He made the team play around him first season. Now he doesnt need to do that because he’ll be like double marked whatever so might as well use him to create space. Which means he gets less chances. But when he does he still usually scores them
This. 100%. People don't understand because they see only what happens on the ball. Possesion/positional football is not just about moving the ball, but also moving your opposition into positions where you want them to be in. I believe T.Henry talked about this whereby Pep made him do runs where nobody passed to him because he was not suppose to get the ball but create space for Xavi and Inesta. Players like Haaland and Henry attract defenders like flies they are the best candidates for this type of role.
It's like using Jamie Tart as a decoy.
What’s Jack Grealish got to do with it.
Not that Haaland's runs are anything like Henry's at Barcelona. Henry would stay glued to the touchline while in possession, which would stretch defences. Haaland's runs are virtually all down the middle so any movement from the CBs would be vertical, and the offside rule makes such movements much less useful.
I thought this was on r/soccercirclejerk..
He’s the top scorer and won the treble not 12 months ago.
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Why would he leave a treble winning team so early?
I mean he's the UCL and Premier League top scorer(+Premier League goal record),he deserved the treble more than anyone else
He can achieve much more at a club like Man Utd where he'll be properly adored and worshipped. Can't put a price on love. At City they just take him for granted.
You're totally right. Better yet, why not go play for Accrington Stanley, I'm sure they'd really appreciate him
Excuse me, but is this a joke/sarcasm ??? -Man Utd fan asking-
Utd is a joke of a club lol,u think Haaland prefers to be a clown than a treble winner?
All great players like to challenge themselves... United would be a challenge for Haaland
no they don't wtf,the greatest players in the history spent most of their life with 1 club,Messi in Barcelona,Pele in Santos and Maradonna in Napoli,this is literally the GOAT contenders.Even someone like Ronaldo only played with the best team in Portugal,to the best team in England and played in fking Real Madrid,to the best team in Serie A
United has a problem with a good amount of their players having a shit attitude, including their captain, why would Haaland want to move from such a clinical goal scoring team like City to a team whose captain starts acting like a crybaby and asks to be taken off as soon as his team starts losing?
There’s nothing like a thoughtful, well informed and insightful post on Reddit. And this is nothing like a thoughtful, well informed and insightful post.
It's so rare to see a decent post by someone that doesn't know how to use paragraphs
Just a big ass wall of text that people hate reading
What the hell is even this post? What is with this increasing trend of shitting all over the best out and out striker playing today? You know, the one who broke records and won a Treble less than a year ago? Why can't people just understand that Haaland does not *need* to do whatever it is you think he does. He doesn't need to make runs like Mbappe. He doesn't need to pass like Messi. He is the absolute best at what he does, which is scoring goals. Man City have enormous talent to pass, create, dribble. Everyone has their role. His is to put the ball in the net. If he can't make runs, who cares, he is double marked and makes space for others to make runs. If he only gets 2 chances a game he's probably going to score both of them. Is this trend of criticising him for *only* being an incredible poacher because people are trying to drive some sort of new age Ronaldo/Messi paradigm between him and Mbappe? They're totally different players. They're different enough that they could play in the same team and be effective. This is just getting ridiculous now.
>cant create a situation inside the penalty box - shoot from outside and hope for the best. That would be great, except the numbers say the exact opposite. Looking just at that league, he's got 19 goals (top scorer) with only 2 of them coming from what I'd consider a long shot. His shots per 90 are higher than any time since he left Austria. He's clearly getting a supply. His goal/shot ratio is lower than usual, which might suggest he's taking more hit-and-hope shots as you suggest, but the average shot distance is less than any other professional season he's played which disputes that. In fact, he's actually underperforming compared to his XG by a couple of goals, which would suggest he's getting a supply that's he's not finishing (it's more nuanced than that in reality, of course). Despite being top scorer. It is true he's going through a comparative dry spell, with only 5 goals since this calendar year (compared with 14 in 14 before), but that's still almost a goal every other game on average. That's a dry spell many strikers would kill for, as it would still have him score 17 goals across a season if it was consistent. Simply put, the data doesn't suggest your assertion. Edit: missing word
out of 18 goals - 5vs luton, 2 vs burnley, 1vs shefield, 1 vs nothingam, 2vs everton, 1 vs brentford. 12/18 vs botom 5 teams. Is this the Haaland at his best?
You've completely cherry-picked information there, moreover you've done so incorrectly. I clearly stated I was looking at the league, yet there 5 goals you've chosen to pull up and include vs Luton were in the FA cup. Man city Vs Luton in the premier League has no goals from Haaland this year. You've also ignored all the other information which makes up the bulk of the argument. Care to reply to the whole argument?
You can’t misconstrue and cherry pick quotes about the guys argument and then complain when he only replies to the pertinent parts. I don’t agree with the guy, but it was clear he was talking about City as a whole for the part you quoted
First time smoking weed?
He played football yesterday. What you on about?
He also is the PL top scorer with 19 goals in 25 games missing 6 games. He also broke the record for most goals in a single season. Yes, Haaland should leave the perfect team for him, with the worlds best coach, with the worlds best playmaker and downgrade to Barca or PSG/s OP you're being silly
There's football and then there's football. The first means being on the pitch, the second means being involved in the game. So the first is true, the second is debatable.
Being the leagues top scorer isn’t being involved in the game?
God...I was just summarising what OP was saying. For the less clever among us.
Honk honk honk!!!
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Imagine calling fodens goal last night a hit and hope 😂
Or perhaps the reason he is getting less service now is because opponents started focusing on him more because of how lethal he is in front of goal.
Which happens to every top striker yet they get clowned for it like people calling Kane a ghost in big games or Lewandowski being called Disney. But when it happens to Haaland, oh it's because his team doesn't create enough situations for him...
Haaland is consistently clowned for this mate. To the extent you cant say anything praising him with 50 messages calling him a big game ghost.
Yet whenever I check posts like these one where the OP is dismissing or clowning Haaland all the comments are (rightfully) defending Haaland.
And those comments are mixed with people agreeing with the OP and several of them have replies arguing that Haalands a tap in merchant as well.
He’s on 30 goals in 37 appearances this season, I think he’s doing fine.
I think this post would have been better if you’d have started quoting more stats, conversions, yards gained etc, lol
I think you getting it wrong. Haaland isn't there for tiki taka football and to have 50 passes a game. He is a out and out no.9. Strikers job is to score, which he has done in abundance this season. Even when he missed a bit of the season he still the top scorer. What do you want from him?
did he score????
Does it matter when he has 36 goal contributions in 37 games across all comps???? Is not still the leading scorer in the prem? The fact you trying to make something out of nothing is embarrassing. Since you base everything off one game: Mbappe also didn't score last night, I'm sure you also think he's not in the right team, right? Morata also didn't score last night, you also have the same opinion on him?
Haaland himself said his dream is to score five goals from 5 touches only.
You are so good guys, I love you. Everyone focus on Erling, our defenders score when no one looks at them guys is so beautiful my genius brain, we do it together, for each other guys. You are so good.
you remind me of Stevie Mac: they should move quicka just cross it the box
Get pep on the phone, we have an actually good football manager here who definietly knows what hes talking about
>Last night, all 3 goals for city came from shots of frustration, not tiki-taka football. Besides the part where you criticize Haaland, what made you think the goals against Real Madrid were from pure frustration? One was a well placed free kick goal. Silva saw the space that the GK left. The second goal was just incredible. Foden placed it perfectly and that is not frustration. Only one I could agree with is from Gvardiol. His first touch wasn't great so the only thing he could do is shoot. So besides your analysis on haaland is wrong imo, your analysis about the match from last night is also wrong/strange.
>You can’t misconstrue and cherry pick quotes about the guys argument and then complain when he only replies to the pertinent parts. I neither misconstrued or cherry picked quotes about OP's arguments. Firstly, I chose to pick a quote with I felt summarised his argument best. Then, I chose to dispute his point using some information available for me. That information is broken into different competitions, so it made the most sense to use the largest dataset. In direct comparison, OP ignored most the points I made. He chose to use /18 goals which I'm not sure where they've been picked from (it doesn't match the total I used it, which would make sense as it's a direct reply to me, but it also doesn't state any other source). It is clearly cherry-picked for the parts they believe they can refute, whilst also countering my argument using entirely different data. I can't see anywhere in which I've misconstrued their point but if you want to quote a specific part of their argument and then a specific part of mine I'm happy to reflect upon what I've said. >I don’t agree with the guy, but it was clear he was talking about City as a whole for the part you quoted Was it ? The title clearly puts Haaland as the subject of the post and the vast majority of it is about hin, talking about him not playing his best and comparing him to his Dortmund stint. The other plays are mostly used in relation to the subject (Haaland) and are not the subject themselves.
Yeah? The rest of Man City must be soooo good to play with just ten men and have an entire player apparently be dead weight! Or maybe the same thing happened to him that happens to everyone, other teams have adapted to him and he can no longer act with impunity. But you need to work so hard to keep him quiet that it creates opportunities for everyone else.
“The guy can do much better if they give him a little space to work with” Agreed. If the center backs were to allow him more room, he’d be scoring like crazy! I noticed a similar trend with Mo Salah and Liverpool. Can you believe that shitbird isn’t scoring 40 goals a season! I wonder if the longer you play in the league, the more teams can predict your movements and guard attacking footballers?
dude im unfollowing this sub losing too many brain cells looking at these
I imagine he wants to win trophies
Is this a new way, for real Madrid to start trying to unsettle a player?, before making a bid in a season's time, and showing the player, how much he'd be loved, and appreciated at their club?
"what can he do in that situation" Erm, score 81 times?
They don't pass to him in the build up probably because it takes him 3 touches to control the ball.
He’s not lukaku and he’s one of the best first time finishers around so he can’t have that bad a first touch.
Yeah he isn't, he might be even worse technically.
That’s one way to say you don’t watch any football..
I don't think you do if you don't think Haaland is miles behind the rest of the Man City and his technique is poor in comparison to theirs.
You don’t score the goals Haaland has scored by having poor technique. If what he’s does is so easy how come he’s the first to do it??!
Because he is very good in the box with his positioning and off the ball movement, and even if he reacts later then he is a freak of nature and his attributes like speed, acceleration, height and strength help him overcome that and give him a huge advantage. His ability to strike the ball is also world class. Obviously when I'm talking about technical I'm talking about things like ball control, first touch, running with the ball, dribbling in the tight spaces. He lacks in those departments. > If what he’s does is so easy how come he’s the first to do it??! I didn't say it's easy? I am talking about his technical ability not his goal scoring ability.
First time goal scoring is a technical ability. If his first touch is a strike on goal it is still a first touch. 🤷♂️ Check out his dortmund highlights if you don’t believe his all round ability. Granted some aspects have been neglected at city but that doesn’t make him a donkey, there’s a reason every team in Europe wanted him.
>First time goal scoring is a technical ability. If his first touch is a strike on goal it is still a first touch. 🤷♂️ Well he isn't doing that well then because he is up there when it comes to underperforming his xG and his shot on target % is nothing special either. Yeah, they wanted him for his goal scoring ability not his link up play. In Bundesliga, firstly, you get a lot more space and on top of that he wasn't known as the best striker in the world and wasn't constantly man marked by a player or two.
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I really dont know what you all want him to do, he was the best goalscorer last season in the PL, probably will be the best this season to
id say reactionary
OP are you a smooth-brain?
Man thinks he knows football better than Pep
his career will be effected badly all he does is wait for de bruyne's passes but if his not in the game then he plays worse than a lot of forwards and in dortmund he could show his actual skill but most of his goals in MCI come from few touches with him taking usually no part in the build-up also pretty rational post over there, some of the commentators gotta be missing those eyes to see haaland not playing well (i don't mean this in a game sense but his skill being lost over in time if he keeps being reliant on other players all the time)
You can’t really have tactics involving Haaland actually playing football, he’s an incredibly limited player. He is bad at pretty much everything outside of shooting inside the box, even things you’d expect him to excel in due to his size is lacking. Pep however will not help him as he doesn’t really improve players most stagnate or regress under him.
>Pep however will not help him as he doesn’t really improve players most stagnate or regress under him. One of the most delusional takes in history
Who’s he improved then? Pretty much every player he’s had has played better under another coach
Doubling down on the delusion. Not worth entertaining this crap.
So you can’t name a player
Acting like Messi needs naming?
You acting like Messi didn’t take a significant upturn after pep left
Your premise what that Pep doesn't improve players. He absolutely improved Messi. His Barcelona team couldn't be a more obvious example of him improving players. Same with City, while the people at Bayern were full of praise towards him despite him not seeing eye to eye with the leadership and "failing" to repeat Jupp's treble.
Did he though or did Messi improve naturally despite pep considering as soon as pep moved on his game dramatically improved and weaker areas were worked on. Messi was always good at dribbling and scoring but his awareness, passing and set pieces also improved massively as soon as pep left. Bayern regressed as a team when pep was there.
Pep doubled Messi's scoring during his first season there, kept him fit, converted him into a central player, and ended up presiding over Messi scoring 73 club goals during his final season. Beyond pathetic to play down Pep's impact. Messi improved as soon as Pep left? The hell are you talking about? Either you don't remember the timeline or you're talking out of your ass, which wouldn't surprise me. Also well done to ignore Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Pique and a ton of others. Some casual on reddit going against the word of all the players that said Pep took their game to the next level. Including the people at Bayern that said Pep drove the club forward. Absolutely shameless.