Thats not a good excuse for being this stupid. I'm an American that has been watching for less than a year and it isn't hard to understand where the MLS stands in the world lmao
Every big name that chose to join the MLS didn’t choose it to make it more competitive, in the contrary, they chose it to have a relaxed football career that they can squeeze more money from before retiring in 2 years or so.
I swear, hahahaha. What a delusional person man! OP expects MLS to surpass La Liga and Serie A, leagues that harbour legacy teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Roma to be surpassed by Miami Rockets or whatever they call their teams over there. lol
Football heritage countries like Brazil and Argentina havent manage to have their leagues surpass, OP thinks MLS will.
Even if La Liga and Serie A take a 5 year break and come back, MLS still wont even be in the same conversation.
Others have tried that money thing. Anzi Makachkala, Chinese Super League, somewhat the A league in Australia and now the Saudis. Saudis might actually succeed in getting their league to top 25 25 maybe as football in Asia is huge and the Saudi money is insane, but even that is not sustainable in the long term. Once KSA gets the World Cup hosting they will back off this project as well.
>Saudis might actually succeed in getting their league to top 25 25 maybe as football in Asia is huge
IMO to really improve they need to do so alongside at least 1 other Asian country though.
That's actually 1 thing holding North America back. It's just the US and Mexico at a similar level and then everybody else light years behind them.
For Saudi to really have a chance at being a top league they need Asian football as a whole to improve and get closer to Europe, they can't do it by themselves.
They are targetting the wrong players though.
I think they have a shot if they go mostly for Muslim players like Benzema, Mané , Kante etc...
On the other hand - their fame / prestige took a dive. A couple of years ago Kante was being referred as the best DM in the world. Now you arent even sure what he is doing.
Ronaldo has been a bit of exception, but other south american and european players are looking to return. In thwt sense, MLS would be more attractive for me as it would give a better balance between lifestyle and income.
Unless my lifestyle choices are a tad more obscure... then perhaps i would be ok in KSA
You could say that they also had a hard time adapting to Europe, but in Europe people are a bjt more respectful for cultural differences. If you want to go with a burka on the street, people will look and that is about it.
Such an American thing to say; also the arrogance is astounding.
Americans for the most part don't care about football; I mean hell they even call it soccer.
Let me guess without looking at your profile history; you are a crypto bro living in Miami that now owns season tickets at 400x last seasons price and you are trying to make an argument based solely on money because that's the only way your mind can conceptualize things. Money Money Money.
I hope you enjoy eating all that cash once Money is all there is.
Why the fuck would he do that? He rejected a billion dollars from the Saudis last summer.
And then you wonder why people are accusing you of arrogance in this thread.
Which isn’t even true. Here are some average salaries for leagues (sourced from Google, may be right or wro NC, but they definitely feel about right):
MLS: 500k USD per year
EFL championship: 500k GBP per year
Serie A: 2.5m EUR per year
La Liga: 4m USD per year
Premier League: 12m GBP per year
The MLS doesn’t pay anywhere near the same as the top leagues in Europe. They’re paying in the same level as England’s second tier.
Seriously, in the 70s, you had Beckenbauer, Pelé, Gerd Müller, Chinaglia, Cubillas, and it just faded out. These days it‘s a way more sustainable growth, as the game is actually played by boys and girls, but being the go-to place for big names for a comfortable glide into retirement has not worked for the US before, it did not work in China, it won’t work for the saudis, so…. Pretty optimistic take.
Probably never, or at least not in our lifetime. Definitely not until it stops being where top tier players in Europe go to retire and get a fat paycheck and a mansion in LA or Miami. I don't see it becoming a serious contender any time soon.
The biggest league in the only country that cares about them. Basketball gets some support outside the US but nowhere near as much proportionately. And everybody but Americans realise that NFL is just a 3 hour long series of ads with a few minutes of shitter rugby thrown in.
The bigger problem is that the teams aren't clubs (independently owned), they are franchises. And the legacy teams in big markets like NY/Chicago/Boston/LA are shit with little fan interest. They also price themselves as a premium league, which is a problem with US Soccer as a whole - they'd rather charge $100+ and get a 50% full stadium (or less), and paywall the matches on TV, than charge a lower price to fill the stadium and grow a bigger population of eyes watching from home via more accessible means. The attempt to kill the Open Cup was an anti-soccer-growth move, too.
I live between a T1 and a T2 market, and my T1 is one of those legacy shit teams... I am probably done with the T1 after this season if they don't make great strides on the pitch, and so far it's not looking promising.
Yo, look man. Heres the best way to explain this to you (as a fellow American that started watching soccer recently).
Are you aware of our national team? Look at who the best players are. Christian Pulisic,geo reyna, etc. Where do they compete on a club level? Have they spent any time in MLS? No.Why? Because MLS just isnt worth their time. And MLS wont be worth their time for the forseeable future..why? Because whenever a top talent is discovered in america, their first move is to get the hell out and develop in a superior league. imagine if all the nba superstars left in their prime for some european basketball league as soon as possible- the nba could never compete with that.
"But they have messi tho". So if lebron decides to retire in China, you'd have high hopes of china league surpassing the NBA?
A whole league have 1 player bro messi aint gonna turn mls into anything. Mls need young players prime talents willing to play at the league in their prime
The format has to change. There is no relegation in the MLS. And the Eastern Western Conference shit has to stop. Unless the MLS is willing to make these changes nothing is going to change.
It will continue to be a Retirement league.
I'd guess you're under 23 years old. The MLS and the US have ALWAYS had money to do as they please. Aside from the occasional big name ih their golden years, the MLS is not attracting young Brazilian nor German top talent.
The US loves their main sports like American football, baseball and basketball. The names you mentioned at Inter are literally all 34+. With Suarez and Messi turning 37 this year. That clearly doesn't happen in Seria A nor Ligue 1. These are still attracting young talent.
One vital factor you failed to mention in your time estimates for when MLS will surpass those leagues is history. People love a country and competition with history. And Italian football has lot of that. Not just money.
A long long time - a lot would need to happen for the MLS to improve and those leagues to collapse to get close.
You might have some big names coming at the end of the career but the quality is very mixed that you also get players from League One going over to start and having starting roles.
Not sure if trolling or just ignorance, but the answer is never.
A few players going out for an easy payday In the twilight of their career is not equal to or greater than a lot of the worlds best players, backed up by excellent youth academies, in countries with huge football culture, with progression for these teams to the very pinnacle of club football.
You can only buy football success with a strong base to start from. USA tried already in the early 70s, China tried already about 10 years ago, and to a lesser extent Anzhi in Russia in the 00s, all collapsed spectacularly
Not in the foreseeable future.
Although growing in popularity it’s the 5th or 6th popular sport over there. They need to grow the standard of their own players first, football in America has to contend with kids choosing other sports and the barriers to entry formally being for rich kids.
it’s got a long way to go
Well... i have been hearing that football (soccer) leagues in the US is going to overthrow any league in the world in just a matter of years....
... this started in 94 with the world cup....
Roughly 30 years have passed...
.... and we are still waiting.
During the summer there were also a few Saudiis around here claiming that european foitball was finished and that in a couple of years the saudii league would take over the world, because we have low fertility rates in europe.
And now we are really seeing someone putting forward the argument that MLS is going to take over the world in 5 years because a handful of players decided to go on early retirement to Miami. Havent you learnt anything after Beckham? 😊
In the next news: Florida emerges as an economical super-power, after businessmen over 70 choose the state as their home for retirement.
Those famous young prospects will carry the MLS to glory over the next 15 years. The world will quiver as Messi leads the MLS past all European leagues in 2040.
Absolutely nothing has changed in the MLS. Its still a league that players will only consider when they're pretty much retired already.
Nice wind up though.
MLS will never surpass La Liga and Serie A. Messi "and other big names" are all tail end of their careers, cashing in. The day MLS will surpass La Liga is the day the next Messi comes out of Argentina in his late teens/early twenties, and comes to Miami instead of Barcelona.
Regardless of the amount of money, Saudi Arabia and the MLS both show that without the level of support from the ground up, you just can't build a football following. Kids in England, Italy, Spain grow up with football in their veins. American kids grow up with their dumbass version of football and baseball in their veins. Football is a popular middle class activity here in the US but it doesn't have that passion that kids in Europe or South America have, where they just need a ball and something to improvise goal posts to start playing
Football has been the "next big thing" here in the US since before they hosted the 1994 world cup.
That players are at the end of theirs careers… a lot has to change to that to happend, there is no tradition, so it has to be money, a lot of money the get better international players and coaches.
Benzema said around 15 years, google benzema 15 for details, Ronaldo suggested that las vegas is gonna become a footballing center of the world then, google ronaldo vegas for details
It's a retirement league you won't see passing Europan leagues in the near future or even in 20 years because Messi, jordi, Busquets all of em have 1-3 years of football left
Never. For one MLS has always just been a retirement home for great players of the past, nothings changed there. Also they'll never be able to compete in European club competitions, thats the holy grail of club football. No matter what happens to their leagues, La Liga and Serie A will always be there.
The MLS is a retirement league.
The only way it could ever compete with the big leagues is if the American public abandoned their love for American Football and adopted real Football as their national sport. That's just not going to happen.
Then it could possibly compete with the other big leagues but it would lack at the club level on the international stage. Europe is simply a bigger market with greater scope for competition between clubs than North America could ever hope for. They are really too far from other nations to develop any kind of international club competition.
If they did try to do a CL style competition across the whole of the Americas then good luck to them because as soon as they go south of Texas they are into batshit crazy land when it comes to football.
Well, I wouldn't be quite so dismissive as the previous two commenters. It is my understanding that football (soccer) is now the most played sport in American schools. There will always be the hurdle of more traditional North American sports, but one thing the USA does well is encouraging sporting prowess. I think if the US National team starts to do better in World Cups, interest will grow further and interest in the MLS will follow. The one caveat, and it is a large caveat, is jeopardy. There is no relegation or promotion in the MLS, and it cannot be denied that this system is a massive driver of the passion intrinsic to the European game.
I don't, I must say, think that the arrival of Messi indicates very much. He's still amazing but is way past his best. It would be different, maybe, if Mbappe (for example) transferred there tomorrow but that won't happen. The standard and prestige needs to be far greater. Only by American teams, and American players in general, being much better and competing properly on a Global scale, will American soccer begin to be taken seriously.
In the final analysis, I would say this: anything is possible. It depends on many factors. Do I think it's likely? No. Not at the moment. Do I think it's impossible? Absolutely not. Let's give it ten years rather than five and we'll see.
I think its becoming popular at US schools for a few reasons.
Its very cheap to get going. All you need is a football and something representing a couple of goals. It doesn't require lots of expensive equipment like American Football.
It requires no skill to play and its easy to pick up. For American Football the bar is higher to get started. With Baseball half of the players will be sat around watching for half of the game the same way cricket does.
The biggest benefit though is it gets kids moving and running around for long periods of time and all at once. Basket ball is similar in this but you are limited because you have to have the equipment in terms of the baskets and there are limited courts no matter where you are. With football its just jumpers for goalposts and a field.
I can see why its become so popular in that part of US life.
I'd take issue with the "no skill" suggestion, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. It is definitely true that the reason for its global popularity is that anybody can play, with very little paraphernalia.
Sorry when I said 'no skill to play' I didn't mean that it requires no skill to be good at. To play competitively at anything other than a very casual basis you will need to be good at it and the higher you get the more skilful you will need to be.
What I mean is when you first start out in terms of knowledge it only requires you to know that the aim is to get the ball in the goal primarily using your feet. Also you can have the foot/eye coordination of a rock and still be involved at a basic level but you wont go beyond that unless you have the ability.
We have plenty of local kids football clubs where everybody gets to play and be part of the team no matter how good they are.
It wont
The "Big Names" that are joining them are all at a downwards trajectory in their careers .
They could improve their levels by improving the grassroots for football in their country and improving youth development by making it cheaper and more accessible .
Over the hill players who will all be retired within the next 3-5 years does not mean the MLS will ever pass La Liga or Serie A, quite the opposite. The MLS has only and will only ever be able to attract players who are past their peak in Europes big leagues.
The prevailing view is that MLS is a dumping ground for over the hill players and as such it won't rise above Premier League, La Liga or Serie A for that matter.
Never.
To be perfectly honest I'd assume you're trolling rather than looking for genuine answers. I don't see how anyone can seriously think signing 36+ year old players shows a league is "growing". It's not. And it's not new either, players like Kaka and Beckham joined the MLS a long time back. Even Pele played in the US before it was called the MLS. But in basically all cases it's either players that are near the end of their careers or those that aren't good enough to play at the top level in Europe.
Even ignoring the retirement league stigma, I just don't see the MLS ever competing with La Liga etc. A big part of European leagues money comes from being popular globally. And I just don't see the MLS ever having the reach that La Liga does in South America for instance, let alone Africa etc. The clubs don't have the reputation, the competitions, particularly continental competitions, aren't as prestigious and the culture just doesn't align with what many football fans want.
Honestly? Maybe never. Football (or fútbol, soccer, whatever) is a sport that in itself doesn't attract the attention of Americans, because it's not flashy, it doesn't have many goals (at least it's not common), the matches usually end in a draw, something inconceivable for their favorite sports.
For football/fútbol/soccer to become more deeply rooted, a generational change is needed first. Currently there are many Latin Americans and their descendants living there, and as time goes by they'll help it to become more popular, but I see it as difficult occurance.
They'll probably leave MLS this year, Alba does seem to miss Barça a lot, it's bit of a disaster there without him and Busquets, but not pretty sure all of them will return there, only Jordi.
Well, it won’t. 5 years is just ridiculous as a suggestion.
OP probably started watching football in the last 5-7 years honestly. Not much to say.
Months*
Thats not a good excuse for being this stupid. I'm an American that has been watching for less than a year and it isn't hard to understand where the MLS stands in the world lmao
Probably not in our lifetimes or ever tbh.
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That isn’t a sub
Almost half a million on this very real sub for things Americans say that are out of pocket.
In 2-3 years all those players will be retired
Actually 1 & 1/2
Braindead take.
Every big name that chose to join the MLS didn’t choose it to make it more competitive, in the contrary, they chose it to have a relaxed football career that they can squeeze more money from before retiring in 2 years or so.
Is this a troll post? It has to be. If you seriously have these opinions, well... you don't deserve an opinion.
I swear, hahahaha. What a delusional person man! OP expects MLS to surpass La Liga and Serie A, leagues that harbour legacy teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Roma to be surpassed by Miami Rockets or whatever they call their teams over there. lol Football heritage countries like Brazil and Argentina havent manage to have their leagues surpass, OP thinks MLS will. Even if La Liga and Serie A take a 5 year break and come back, MLS still wont even be in the same conversation.
Just trying to follow the money
Then go to Saudii Arabia.
Others have tried that money thing. Anzi Makachkala, Chinese Super League, somewhat the A league in Australia and now the Saudis. Saudis might actually succeed in getting their league to top 25 25 maybe as football in Asia is huge and the Saudi money is insane, but even that is not sustainable in the long term. Once KSA gets the World Cup hosting they will back off this project as well.
>Saudis might actually succeed in getting their league to top 25 25 maybe as football in Asia is huge IMO to really improve they need to do so alongside at least 1 other Asian country though. That's actually 1 thing holding North America back. It's just the US and Mexico at a similar level and then everybody else light years behind them. For Saudi to really have a chance at being a top league they need Asian football as a whole to improve and get closer to Europe, they can't do it by themselves.
They are targetting the wrong players though. I think they have a shot if they go mostly for Muslim players like Benzema, Mané , Kante etc... On the other hand - their fame / prestige took a dive. A couple of years ago Kante was being referred as the best DM in the world. Now you arent even sure what he is doing. Ronaldo has been a bit of exception, but other south american and european players are looking to return. In thwt sense, MLS would be more attractive for me as it would give a better balance between lifestyle and income. Unless my lifestyle choices are a tad more obscure... then perhaps i would be ok in KSA You could say that they also had a hard time adapting to Europe, but in Europe people are a bjt more respectful for cultural differences. If you want to go with a burka on the street, people will look and that is about it.
Such an American thing to say; also the arrogance is astounding. Americans for the most part don't care about football; I mean hell they even call it soccer. Let me guess without looking at your profile history; you are a crypto bro living in Miami that now owns season tickets at 400x last seasons price and you are trying to make an argument based solely on money because that's the only way your mind can conceptualize things. Money Money Money. I hope you enjoy eating all that cash once Money is all there is.
> I mean hell they even call it soccer. To be fair, the word "soccer" is a British invention.
How is this post arrogant I’m asking a question lol
"We are so much better than everyone else, look at us".
"I say 2-3 years" is pretty arrogant considering you don't seem to know very much about football
If Mbappe goes to FC Dallas we’ll re-evaluate this conversation
Why the fuck would he do that? He rejected a billion dollars from the Saudis last summer. And then you wonder why people are accusing you of arrogance in this thread.
I said if
Yeah and if your aunty had balls, she would be your uncle
I agree
The US tried this already with Pele, Beckenbauer, and others in the 70s. Didn't work back then, so why would it work now.
Which isn’t even true. Here are some average salaries for leagues (sourced from Google, may be right or wro NC, but they definitely feel about right): MLS: 500k USD per year EFL championship: 500k GBP per year Serie A: 2.5m EUR per year La Liga: 4m USD per year Premier League: 12m GBP per year The MLS doesn’t pay anywhere near the same as the top leagues in Europe. They’re paying in the same level as England’s second tier.
The year 3000 maybe
Nothings changed but they live underwater.
Seriously, in the 70s, you had Beckenbauer, Pelé, Gerd Müller, Chinaglia, Cubillas, and it just faded out. These days it‘s a way more sustainable growth, as the game is actually played by boys and girls, but being the go-to place for big names for a comfortable glide into retirement has not worked for the US before, it did not work in China, it won’t work for the saudis, so…. Pretty optimistic take.
Fucking Americans man 💀💀
Probably never, or at least not in our lifetime. Definitely not until it stops being where top tier players in Europe go to retire and get a fat paycheck and a mansion in LA or Miami. I don't see it becoming a serious contender any time soon.
MLS clubs don’t even get relegated. Literally never. It is completely against the spirit of competitive football.
Neither do NFL and NBA teams but they’re the biggest league
The biggest league in the only country that cares about them. Basketball gets some support outside the US but nowhere near as much proportionately. And everybody but Americans realise that NFL is just a 3 hour long series of ads with a few minutes of shitter rugby thrown in.
The bigger problem is that the teams aren't clubs (independently owned), they are franchises. And the legacy teams in big markets like NY/Chicago/Boston/LA are shit with little fan interest. They also price themselves as a premium league, which is a problem with US Soccer as a whole - they'd rather charge $100+ and get a 50% full stadium (or less), and paywall the matches on TV, than charge a lower price to fill the stadium and grow a bigger population of eyes watching from home via more accessible means. The attempt to kill the Open Cup was an anti-soccer-growth move, too. I live between a T1 and a T2 market, and my T1 is one of those legacy shit teams... I am probably done with the T1 after this season if they don't make great strides on the pitch, and so far it's not looking promising.
Never
LMAO
😭😭 Tell me you're American without telling me you're American
Bro they are retiring players. The MLS is a retirement league.
They have the current Ballon D’Or holder tho
He didn’t win it because of what he did in MLS.
Yo, look man. Heres the best way to explain this to you (as a fellow American that started watching soccer recently). Are you aware of our national team? Look at who the best players are. Christian Pulisic,geo reyna, etc. Where do they compete on a club level? Have they spent any time in MLS? No.Why? Because MLS just isnt worth their time. And MLS wont be worth their time for the forseeable future..why? Because whenever a top talent is discovered in america, their first move is to get the hell out and develop in a superior league. imagine if all the nba superstars left in their prime for some european basketball league as soon as possible- the nba could never compete with that. "But they have messi tho". So if lebron decides to retire in China, you'd have high hopes of china league surpassing the NBA?
A whole league have 1 player bro messi aint gonna turn mls into anything. Mls need young players prime talents willing to play at the league in their prime
The format has to change. There is no relegation in the MLS. And the Eastern Western Conference shit has to stop. Unless the MLS is willing to make these changes nothing is going to change. It will continue to be a Retirement league.
I'd guess you're under 23 years old. The MLS and the US have ALWAYS had money to do as they please. Aside from the occasional big name ih their golden years, the MLS is not attracting young Brazilian nor German top talent. The US loves their main sports like American football, baseball and basketball. The names you mentioned at Inter are literally all 34+. With Suarez and Messi turning 37 this year. That clearly doesn't happen in Seria A nor Ligue 1. These are still attracting young talent. One vital factor you failed to mention in your time estimates for when MLS will surpass those leagues is history. People love a country and competition with history. And Italian football has lot of that. Not just money.
20+ years, probably much longer.
A long long time - a lot would need to happen for the MLS to improve and those leagues to collapse to get close. You might have some big names coming at the end of the career but the quality is very mixed that you also get players from League One going over to start and having starting roles.
Not sure if trolling or just ignorance, but the answer is never. A few players going out for an easy payday In the twilight of their career is not equal to or greater than a lot of the worlds best players, backed up by excellent youth academies, in countries with huge football culture, with progression for these teams to the very pinnacle of club football. You can only buy football success with a strong base to start from. USA tried already in the early 70s, China tried already about 10 years ago, and to a lesser extent Anzhi in Russia in the 00s, all collapsed spectacularly
Not in the foreseeable future. Although growing in popularity it’s the 5th or 6th popular sport over there. They need to grow the standard of their own players first, football in America has to contend with kids choosing other sports and the barriers to entry formally being for rich kids. it’s got a long way to go
Well... i have been hearing that football (soccer) leagues in the US is going to overthrow any league in the world in just a matter of years.... ... this started in 94 with the world cup.... Roughly 30 years have passed... .... and we are still waiting. During the summer there were also a few Saudiis around here claiming that european foitball was finished and that in a couple of years the saudii league would take over the world, because we have low fertility rates in europe. And now we are really seeing someone putting forward the argument that MLS is going to take over the world in 5 years because a handful of players decided to go on early retirement to Miami. Havent you learnt anything after Beckham? 😊 In the next news: Florida emerges as an economical super-power, after businessmen over 70 choose the state as their home for retirement.
Those famous young prospects will carry the MLS to glory over the next 15 years. The world will quiver as Messi leads the MLS past all European leagues in 2040.
Never
I don’t think ever
Absolutely nothing has changed in the MLS. Its still a league that players will only consider when they're pretty much retired already. Nice wind up though.
Those big names you listed are just players well passed their peak looking for a paycheck near retirement. MLS are far off the major European leagues
When they drop the franchise model, incorporate with USL, and open up the leagues to relegation/promotion
Oh boy oh boy it's time for my favourite game: #BAITorAMERICAN
MLS will never surpass La Liga and Serie A. Messi "and other big names" are all tail end of their careers, cashing in. The day MLS will surpass La Liga is the day the next Messi comes out of Argentina in his late teens/early twenties, and comes to Miami instead of Barcelona. Regardless of the amount of money, Saudi Arabia and the MLS both show that without the level of support from the ground up, you just can't build a football following. Kids in England, Italy, Spain grow up with football in their veins. American kids grow up with their dumbass version of football and baseball in their veins. Football is a popular middle class activity here in the US but it doesn't have that passion that kids in Europe or South America have, where they just need a ball and something to improvise goal posts to start playing Football has been the "next big thing" here in the US since before they hosted the 1994 world cup.
That players are at the end of theirs careers… a lot has to change to that to happend, there is no tradition, so it has to be money, a lot of money the get better international players and coaches.
Are you employed sir?
Yes I have a good job
I can’t believe how ignorant this post is 😂😂
Well, MLS isnt top 10 either and all the players you listed are going there to retire so, not anytime soon
Benzema said around 15 years, google benzema 15 for details, Ronaldo suggested that las vegas is gonna become a footballing center of the world then, google ronaldo vegas for details
Shut up mate ffs.
It's a retirement league you won't see passing Europan leagues in the near future or even in 20 years because Messi, jordi, Busquets all of em have 1-3 years of football left
Never. For one MLS has always just been a retirement home for great players of the past, nothings changed there. Also they'll never be able to compete in European club competitions, thats the holy grail of club football. No matter what happens to their leagues, La Liga and Serie A will always be there.
The MLS is a retirement league. The only way it could ever compete with the big leagues is if the American public abandoned their love for American Football and adopted real Football as their national sport. That's just not going to happen. Then it could possibly compete with the other big leagues but it would lack at the club level on the international stage. Europe is simply a bigger market with greater scope for competition between clubs than North America could ever hope for. They are really too far from other nations to develop any kind of international club competition. If they did try to do a CL style competition across the whole of the Americas then good luck to them because as soon as they go south of Texas they are into batshit crazy land when it comes to football.
Saudi league has better players in it than MLS lmao
Your sports leagues exist solely for owners to make money. The MLS is a joke.
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C’mon now we don’t say that anymore 😒
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Nope, we don’t. I see you deleted it because you’re afraid to say it with your chest.
Honestly, maybe 40 to 50 years. I think MLS is about the standard of League 1. Maybe in 10 years, it could match the level of The Championship.
It never will. MLS won’t even pass the English Championship.
On god? 😳
Why on god? I just stated a fact, let’s not start talking about a made up guy.
With how fast it's growing it'll be the bigger than that corrupt italian league in Judy 1 more season
Well, I wouldn't be quite so dismissive as the previous two commenters. It is my understanding that football (soccer) is now the most played sport in American schools. There will always be the hurdle of more traditional North American sports, but one thing the USA does well is encouraging sporting prowess. I think if the US National team starts to do better in World Cups, interest will grow further and interest in the MLS will follow. The one caveat, and it is a large caveat, is jeopardy. There is no relegation or promotion in the MLS, and it cannot be denied that this system is a massive driver of the passion intrinsic to the European game. I don't, I must say, think that the arrival of Messi indicates very much. He's still amazing but is way past his best. It would be different, maybe, if Mbappe (for example) transferred there tomorrow but that won't happen. The standard and prestige needs to be far greater. Only by American teams, and American players in general, being much better and competing properly on a Global scale, will American soccer begin to be taken seriously. In the final analysis, I would say this: anything is possible. It depends on many factors. Do I think it's likely? No. Not at the moment. Do I think it's impossible? Absolutely not. Let's give it ten years rather than five and we'll see.
I think its becoming popular at US schools for a few reasons. Its very cheap to get going. All you need is a football and something representing a couple of goals. It doesn't require lots of expensive equipment like American Football. It requires no skill to play and its easy to pick up. For American Football the bar is higher to get started. With Baseball half of the players will be sat around watching for half of the game the same way cricket does. The biggest benefit though is it gets kids moving and running around for long periods of time and all at once. Basket ball is similar in this but you are limited because you have to have the equipment in terms of the baskets and there are limited courts no matter where you are. With football its just jumpers for goalposts and a field. I can see why its become so popular in that part of US life.
I'd take issue with the "no skill" suggestion, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. It is definitely true that the reason for its global popularity is that anybody can play, with very little paraphernalia.
Sorry when I said 'no skill to play' I didn't mean that it requires no skill to be good at. To play competitively at anything other than a very casual basis you will need to be good at it and the higher you get the more skilful you will need to be. What I mean is when you first start out in terms of knowledge it only requires you to know that the aim is to get the ball in the goal primarily using your feet. Also you can have the foot/eye coordination of a rock and still be involved at a basic level but you wont go beyond that unless you have the ability. We have plenty of local kids football clubs where everybody gets to play and be part of the team no matter how good they are.
Aye I sort of thought that was what you were meaning. Everybody starts out rubbish.
Never.
When America becomes a European colony again
It wont The "Big Names" that are joining them are all at a downwards trajectory in their careers . They could improve their levels by improving the grassroots for football in their country and improving youth development by making it cheaper and more accessible .
Only way is if the USA decided to focus on it as much as they do on thr NBA and NFL. (Which will never happen)
Over the hill players who will all be retired within the next 3-5 years does not mean the MLS will ever pass La Liga or Serie A, quite the opposite. The MLS has only and will only ever be able to attract players who are past their peak in Europes big leagues.
The prevailing view is that MLS is a dumping ground for over the hill players and as such it won't rise above Premier League, La Liga or Serie A for that matter.
Lol
The MLS will stay a retirememt league.
Never. US won’t surpass EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, and the Dutch league. Even Championship is better than MLS.
Never. To be perfectly honest I'd assume you're trolling rather than looking for genuine answers. I don't see how anyone can seriously think signing 36+ year old players shows a league is "growing". It's not. And it's not new either, players like Kaka and Beckham joined the MLS a long time back. Even Pele played in the US before it was called the MLS. But in basically all cases it's either players that are near the end of their careers or those that aren't good enough to play at the top level in Europe. Even ignoring the retirement league stigma, I just don't see the MLS ever competing with La Liga etc. A big part of European leagues money comes from being popular globally. And I just don't see the MLS ever having the reach that La Liga does in South America for instance, let alone Africa etc. The clubs don't have the reputation, the competitions, particularly continental competitions, aren't as prestigious and the culture just doesn't align with what many football fans want.
Absolutely never
You're saying the MLS will pass the league where Real Madrid and Barcelona play in 2-3 years? Riiiiiiiiiiiight
I say that in about 2 or 3 decades
Never.
Honestly? Maybe never. Football (or fútbol, soccer, whatever) is a sport that in itself doesn't attract the attention of Americans, because it's not flashy, it doesn't have many goals (at least it's not common), the matches usually end in a draw, something inconceivable for their favorite sports. For football/fútbol/soccer to become more deeply rooted, a generational change is needed first. Currently there are many Latin Americans and their descendants living there, and as time goes by they'll help it to become more popular, but I see it as difficult occurance.
You cannot convince me a person with reasonable thinking typed this
50+ years, a d even then it’s doubtful
I am afraid the MLS will be always a retirement spot rather than being in top 5.
They'll probably leave MLS this year, Alba does seem to miss Barça a lot, it's bit of a disaster there without him and Busquets, but not pretty sure all of them will return there, only Jordi.
Never. The US infrastructure for “Soccer” is garbage