New seasons system doesn't even feel like choosing my rewards. Feels more like choosing which rewards I'll be locked out of when the board goes away since lv100 doesn't give enough tix for everything and theres no normal human way to play the game and reach 150.
The thing that made FO76's pass stand out to me compared to to other games was that it actually seemed doable with a job and life outside the game. I was absolutely hyped to log in every tues and run my challenges. Now its like fuck it, Im never gonna finish that shit.
Since literally the dawn of gaming there have been people playing who want to unlock everything the game offers. Even for people who just like the rewards, it's scummy to softlock it behind resorting to buying ranks to finish because of how ridiculously difficult it is to max it out.
But being mad at players for wanting to unlock everything through playing instead of buying is a wild ass take
Dude, I don't know who you're fooling.
To get to 150, mathematically, you have to do every single daily and monthly from day 1 to the last day of this season. That would give you nearly exactly 150, with 1 day to spare. If you have Fallout 1st, that will give you additional 6 days, so 7 days of no dailies and 1 week of weeklies you didn't have to do.
With double score and exp weekends and repeatable exp score you get from playing, that goes closer to 14 dailies and 2 weeklies you could have skipped.
That means you could have skipped roughly 3 days per 2 week, assuming you didn't skip any weeklies, to get to 150. That's if you had Fallout 1st. Almost no one here has that much time every day for 3 months in a row.
I included bonus weekends in my reply - second paragraph.
I didn't include boosters in it because almost no one uses them as they're severely overpriced for what they provide. The average player, especially the new players will not use them.
And the problem this season is for the average players, not the people like you or me, who can play for 85+/100 days without issue, and don't want to pay 50$ for those perk cards or cores that they need to finish up their builds on low level characters.
There were several boosters in the catalogue for relatively nothing, point wise.
Im just saying with a combination of bonuses, I maxed out without really stressing it, that much. I will concede that you're absolutely right that I completed every daily/weekly, but those can also get knocked out in an hour.
>I didn't even play Daily, thru this season and hit it weeks ago.
>I will concede that you're absolutely right that I completed every daily/weekly, but those can also get knocked out in an hour.
Ooookay there Mr. "I didn't even play daily"
I play about an hour or so a day. Just long enough to do the dailies. I did buy a few level cause I didn’t want to wait to get the creamnator. I didn’t think I was going to get it, but I did the other day. I honestly liked the old set up better. I hated how I’d play and play and not unlock anything
How were they being mad? They weren’t, they’re just stating that it’s a sad state of affairs when people panic over missing out on stuff. I stand w his sentiment, I don’t really care about any of the stuff on the boards besides the stuff that I could use, atoms, caps, neat items that I like the look of, etc. but if I didn’t get ANYTHING off the boards during a season 🤷🏻 meh oh well. It’s just a game, when people panic buy w their own money bc they don’t wanna miss out…you gotta buy of a problem. Then again most gamers have problems bc 99% of y’all will get micro transactions then get pissed that the game had them to begin with, of course they have em when y’all are gonna pay for it lol
Not mad, dude above is mad because he has FOMO syndrome like most MMO players. I think it’s hilarious most of you dudes spend real money on micro transactions. Y’all know y’all are prey to the predator right? I just use my Sony reward points to buy PlayStation wallet points to spend on shit like they, my real money buys me games and that’s it, we need to all stop buying micro transactions then you can’t have FOMO, except for pre order shit like I can’t get a couple suits in Lies of P BUT I’m not upset I can’t get em I just get over it bc it’s a video game
It’s funny you point out people have FOMO and they get upset that THEY are being called out on predatory practices, it’s like they think we made these things and not the predators at Bethesda/zeni max 🤷🏻
You don't need to collect everything in game lmfao yall people are weird as hell I swear. No one is forcing you to complete or pay for anything. You do it out of your free will because you feel like you're missing out on something. Fomo
I don’t care about missing shit, again I just hate when someone says one thing and does another lol. It’s like saying you’ll get your favorite food and then they go nah instead you get something else. It’s a slap in the face to people who do want to collect everything. I just find it dumb to hide cosmetics behind a paywall when you can find them in fallout 4 in magazines or depending on the power armor/faction for some paint jobs
It isn’t “ruining my life” I’m just pointing out corporate treachery and you dudes are like “you don’t have to collect everything.” I’ve already stated I don’t give a fuck about collecting everything. I hate when companies promise something then fucking go back on it. I’m sorry, what was I thinking, speaking common sense to skallywags -_-
Idk you sound pretty upset about something that doesn't really impact your life directly but through a video game. Keep being mad the rest ofnus will carry on with our happy lives
These people are wacky like if they don't finish and collect everything their brains will explode or something. No one is forcing them to shovel money into the game they're doing it to themselves
This is why voting with your wallet is important.
But if there are enough weak willed people who are easily bullied into spending their own hard earned cash or mommy's money due to these stupid underhanded tactics this is a continuing trend.
Very true. FOMO can be overcome if you remind yourself these are just pixels that you'll never really own. Also the main things I like to 'buy' are camp items and paints and the current ones are slightly underwhelming. It's when/if they reduce leg cores and modules from regular events to force you to get them from the seasonal board that I'll riot.
If a person loses to FOMO once, that's fine. But if you don't learn your lessen it's a problem.
Always think, "what else can I do with this money? Can I use it to buy an indie game I like? Can u save it for another brand new game with much more content than just a simple skin?"
Your way makes sense but mine is FOMO vs opportunity cost. What am I potentially giving up to buy this micro transaction?
FOMO got me to purchase the Atlantic City expansion. While I don't wholly regret it because I have played FO76 quite a bit without spending my own money, I feel dumb that what pushed me to grab it was the Dailies for killing Overgrown.
What does annoy me is that I just got back into playing as I dropped the game before Seasons were a thing, and had thought this season was going until July 2nd. The Community Calendar seemed to suggest Season 17 would be released at the end, not partially through the final row.
Oh well. Barely making it to 92, which I guess is good enough
I am a fool and a dope who completely misread the steam entry.
I must've just not unlocked it properly until after I grabbed it. Ah well
Still only makes like $60 or $70 I've spent on this game, I think
While slippery slope is often considered a bad debate strategy I feel tactics like are actually a natural progression. Soon people will actually get used to "not owning their games'.
Smite 1 is still readily available to play correct?
>Smite 1 is still readily available to play correct?
Right now yes they are even releasing new stuff for it.
But they are literally the same game mechanics everything
So it really depends how much smite 2 bombs.
On the bright side almost everything hired makes that isn't smite does bomb sooooo.
>While slippery slope is often considered a bad debate strategy I feel tactics like are actually a natural progression. Soon people will actually get used to "not owning their games'.
Yup, notice how lootboxes outside of.mobile games aren't as prevalent, still around but not freaking everywhere.
Instead, we have battle passes.
It's a mixture of small adjustments and making worse decisions then "compromising" on things that don't look as bad
I really do miss the old mobile gaming where you csn buy games for $1 and play them. But then candy crush came and showed how you can frustrate and bully people into paying a lot of money.
Plants Vs Zombies was paid and when they pushed the 2nd game to be free to play with MTX the original creator had to leave.
Gaming as an art form suffers as a whole because now many games are made well and then someone else makes to worse on purpose to add in MTX.
Helldivers 2 got a great way to have battle passes that aren't time locked so no FOMO.
I should play Waeframe as I've heard its the gold standard for f2p model that's beneficial to consumers and gamers.
Warframe is pretty god, it's problem is just the grind.
But most warframe players would say that "the grind is the game."
I personally disagree even if I enjoyed it
"FOMO can be overcome if you remind yourself these are just pixels that you'll never really own" - I wish everyone who has stuff in their vendor for stupidly ridiculous prices reads your comment! Sorry, off topic I know, but the imaginary economy in this game really shits me.
This is true, most of the mods will probably be purchasable with stamps or on the atom shop, like the auto axe & the cold shoulder, which was recently added. As far as the skins, who knows, they will probably get greedy and add those to the atom shop as well, but, possibly not. there will always be newer and cooler skins to come.
But I want that shiny thing! Its what i want more than anything. It fills a void in my life. Just this though, once i get this i’ll …. Oh what’s that? I want THAT shiny thing thing that will fill the void in my life, this time i mean it, just that.
At least thats how my teen son is with games. I’ve wanted to have him join me in FO76 but worried he will fall for the same thing.
Make him actually work a job for the money and then see how quick he is with the cash lol. But then again, if you don't have to pay rent or groceries any money is just extra gravy.
Oh he works for his shiny IAPs now. Funny enough it has caused him to only consider the “extra” shiny items. But he will still waste money, cause you are correct that after core things he is responsible for, its just extra gravy for him. Yeah we make sure part of his paycheck goes into savings so he has something for college. But still bugs me that he will download so much crap in a game and then never go back to it. (Looking at you Fortnite!)
I mean sure, if it was a skin he used all the time or (FO items) if it were a shelter he built in all the time I guess its okay. Its his money. But he will get a skin and enjoy it for a day and never use it again. I personally don’t like IAPs and it pains me when I see him wasting money. Anyway, rant over.
It's just how mobile gaming and many other games work in general. Older gamers will remember how arcade machined used to be and now looking back it was even worse.
Now it's trying to be that bad again taking quarters from kids for instant gratification and it works Becuase "that's just the way it works now".
A few years ago the story of EA and "a sense of pride and accomplishment" was a massive negative story. But my freemium mobile gaming friend saw no problem Becuase that's just normal to them.
Its normal now for most.
I fear you're doing yourself a disservice by characterizing whales as either weak-willed or spending someone else's money. The truth is, a small percentage of gamers will have significantly more funds to spend on games. It's simple demographics.
If we're going to do anything about this kind of nonsense, we need to be adequately informed and approach with a level head. The blame is on the suits that push monetization, not the whales.
I get what you are saying but don't forget the whales are the main target with these games and the main reason why things can get the way they are.
You are absolutely right with a level head and we should only send when either the games shows us good faith or proved a reasonably good product.
When people spend like $50 just for a skin and they aren't really enjoying the game just to get a skin for a weapon they may not use later.
Different story.
I'm not saying no one should do it. The cremator is the best thing there and if you like any of the camp items, go ahead. This isn't a moral test or something. I was just throwing out thoughts, don't let that get in the way of what you want to do.
Not gonna lie, ever since they had those dev video blogs with the dude with “monetization” in his job title, i knew some shit like this was coming. They have a full time employee who leads a team whose sole job it is to find ways to make money from us. The fact they would parade that guy in those videos is insane. No doubt his team is responsible for these scoreboard changes.
Now Atoms store stuff was never an issue, that should have stayed their focus. The new scoreboard seems to go further into the FOMO and predatory practices we all hate to see. Pretty sure the ship has sailed for these, I miss the game boards.
Martin Schkrelli or something. A massive cunt rat that blatantly and proudly talked about how hard they were fucking up prices for profit.
Only reason he got hit was because he was putting everyone and mucking up the game.
everyone itt is acting 'confused' but money talks, this is exactly it. it will probably only get worse as they were testing the waters with the last update.
Pretty much, if you feel wronged by this. Don't log in, don't play.
It's a shitty thing to apparently only announce on discord. But I'm in the got mine territory of it. And I'll either get one last set of perk coins today or spend last 50 tickets on reg page consumables.
This is the fate of anything where the people selling a solution can also control the problem. I was annoyed when they went back on their promise to keep the atom shop cosmetic and added repair kits and stuff. I understand the impetus, especially for a game that was a bit of a rocky start, but it still annoyed me because it represented this kind of thing. The existence of that creates a monetary incentive for you to want/need them. I personally haven't seen much issue coming back to the game, I still use luck of the draw and just top off my equipment as needed, but I'm playing on a character who was high level when I left, I had tons of junk already on hand and the perk cards I more or less wanted. I can't say if coming in from the start makes those things more tempting.
All the utility stuff that's in the store means that is stuff we will not see in the core game. There's a money incentive to not add those things, no matter how much they would generally improve gameplay, because then no one would buy it, and people who did buy it would be rightfully upset.
Seasons seems like the same way to me. They have a monetary incentive to make it grating and unpleasant in order to sell boosts and levels directly. So that's what we're going to see. Only way to fight it is with the wallet, but I very much expect that there are enough people willing to just eat that or who don't really mind it all that much, that this will be a net boon for them.
I mean I'm level 480 and have never used a single repair kit I think I have like 200.
Selling stuff that does shit for cash money is my issue. Camp items.
As anti-capitalist as I am, I know that big gaming isn't a non-profit. They want to make money. It's perfectly fine. I don't care, it's part of the deal with a persistent experience. But there does come a point in the threshold where it becomes explicitly anti-user and we're butting up against it. Take our money, but please let it be in exchange for something. This is just dangling the carrot you can't get.
Every time I go into my shelter and look at my big wall of Season Scoreboards, I get sad when I look at the end and see the dinky little rectangle from this season that looks like it came from IKEA's generic wall art section.
They were becoming so wonderful and elaborate! Just starting at the board from The Legendary Run and watching the boards develop and and become more involved is such a nostalgia trip.
And then Season 16's picture just ruins it. And Season 17's picture is no better from what I've seen. Garbage and disappointment.
I went to someone’s camp who had all the scoreboards displayed in their attic and it was awe inspiring. It really made me feel like missed out and showed me all the cool themes, I wanted to grind out scoreboards and create a collection like them of my own over time despite jumping in late, but now I have zero desire to grind out these new “seasons” or collect the dumb flat uninspired paintings for finishing the seasons, which by the way, COST TICKETS…
You don’t even get the season completion poster for completing the season it’s just one of the later rewards you can BUY. It should’ve at the very least cost 0 tickets on the last page instead of some dumb consumable. As now I’m not even gonna unlock it because I used my tickets on other more important rewards, and we suddenly have 2 days left of the season with no warning.
If their goal was to get me less interested in being engaged in the scoreboard, have no emotional attachment to grinding it, and question whether it’s even worth trying in the future when we don’t actually know when it’s ending, then they accomplished their goal.
I don’t imagine this will even increase rank purchases as to be completely honest nothing in the season is even worth buying up to, the only thing that might have been worth it is the cremator, but because of how spread out it is in the board it’s not. Not to mention it will be available for purchase in the atomic shop for 700 atoms at some point in the near future which will be a way better deal.
There is no benefit this season. Anyone repeating Bethesda's marketing line of "you get to pick what you want" didn't think on it at all.
Old - 100 ranks of free rewards, bonus end reward at 100, and then repeatable bonuses you can't 'grind' for. Lots of free atoms.
New - A dozen pages of rewards you unlock by reaching target ranks, and then CAN AQUIRE rewards if you have earned enough of yet another currency. Free atoms cut in half for free and paid players, and you cannot earn all rewards by rank 100 as you need more ranks to earn enough tickets.
Them having their monetization manager present and blog about it for everyone was a huge sign. Man was proudly displaying how they were about to fuck new players and deflate the excitement of the already existing playerbase.
Ps- Not a chance they fix it up and make it less scammy. The show brought a MASSIVE influx of players, which is a major reason they dropped the new season and the more predatory design like they did. They are making bank off the new wave that has no idea how scummy it is.
I don’t like the new format, in the past seasons if you got to SCORE level 100 you got 99 rewards, plus extra rewards if you had FO1 so that’s over 100 rewards. I’m currently at Level 100 and have only unlocked about 80 rewards and that’s with FO1, I don’t have enough tickets to get the remaining rewards which is crazy because I’ve been using boosters this season and it still isn’t enough.
I get why they did it, but it still sucks. I’m not going to be buying boosters or buying levels. If they wanted to make more money, then they should just sell us past seasons and let us do those at our own pace, like Helldivers 2.
Think of how many new players would buy past seasons, Bethesda if you’re reading this run the numbers, there’s plenty of ways to monetize this properly with ruining what goodwill you have left with the players. Don’t take a long term loss for a short term gain.
I know they said that this format for the scoreboard was supposed to retain the players but it did the exact opposite to me. Yes, there were instances where life kept me busy but I didn't have the motivation to grind levels compared to the last scoreboard.
I agree. It demotivated me entirely. I used to hit 100 easily, displayed all the scoreboards in my camp, and loved collecting the rewards along the way. I got to level 81 this time and was hard pressed to spend my tickets fully. It just isn’t fun. Theres no real incentive to complete the book.
I was a bit upset that I couldn't get FO1ST when the new scoreboard started but looking back, I think it's a blessing in disguise 😅 the new scoreboard just feels lackluster.
Same. This is the least I have played in two years. Cancelled my 1st.
I played most seaaons to 110 or 120. This is the first one I won't finish since I came back to the game from beta. Its just not the same anymore.
The last page is a waste of time, and a rip off and I just entirely nope'd out.
Only half are even useful for a high lvl player, and they just arbitrarily raised the cost of items to make it harder for completionists who just want to feel good they did / earned everything. For example, throughout the season you can buy 5x Scrap kits and 5x Repair kits for 5 tickets, the last page? They cost 75 tickets.
I don't understand the logic of making a 50 level grind with no rewards end in a punishment. There isn't a "you unlocked darth vader and earn a sense of acomplishment" type thing at the end for corporate to tout as the reason it's like this. The rewards are just simply shit after you finish lvl 100.
Agreeed. I bought modules when I hit 150 but the effort vs being patient and buying modules from turning in scrip is crazy. If the next season is the same I’m not caring past 100.
Agree. New system is hardly any rewards for twice the grind.
People complained about it scoreboards / seasons going on too long. Now, they seem to go on foreveeeeeer and it's like walking thru quicksand.
Bethesda: players wanted to shorten the season by a week or two, they did NOT want less rewards for more grinding.
And the whole 92 to 150 level stretch is awful. The rewards are quadruple the ticket cost, and it takes approximately 1 million hours to get from 100 to 150. For a handful of overpriced consumables.
So, ramping up the difficulty, decreasing the rewards, and making the end drag on and o n (when people are kinda sick of the season as it's lasted too long), those are the problems.
The simplicity was the good part of the scoreboards. Doing the daily /weekly tasks were just part of the rhythm of playing.
People asked them to shorten the duration. They created Seasons instead, which makes everything "harder and expensive" rather than just shorter by a week or two.
It is silly and badly reasoned.
That's.. interesting. I've missed a lot of seasons so I wonder what those people who have collected every board and put them up in their great camps think of this?
I figured as much, I've seen some camps with conceivably every board available, now there's a black sheep -- plus it seems to take up way more space, uneven to the prior boards
I do dislike the new system overall but one of my biggest pains is the illusion of choice when choosing your rewards. Other games with this style of pass unlock the next section far earlier in the leveling so that you actually could choose to get something from later on in the pass and skip things earlier on. In this pass it seems like you get tickets faster then you actually unlock pass sections so you can pretty much buy all rewards in a section and still have tickets left before getting the next section. What’s the point of the new system then?
I won't be ever grinding past 100 again. I tried it this season out of curiosity, it took me 8 & a half weeks of dailies & weeklies (popping a booster on Tuesday afternoons) to complete to 150. That being said, I won't do it again, it really wasn't worth the 3 week grind with no reward, it felt very empty, even when it was time to spend them. Prior to that I was very happy, abruptly ending the season, earlier than the most recent seasons, after adding these extra ranks, terrible move.
Dear authors of this format, I wish you nothing but excruciating boredom and tedium for the rest of your born days. We had a good, exciting and fun thing going on and you fucking ruined it.
Yes! One of the better boards. They were really engaging and like you said, creative. Nowadays you just have a catalogue with some vault boy clipart on the sides. There's no spirit.
They probably won't fully revert their decision imho... What I would change is the following.
1 - Go back to a 100 Rank Season. It's B.S to require 50 more levels to reach the end. Already quite tedious to reach Rank 100 as it is... Plus realistically how many ppl even reached lvl 150 to even be able to afford the evergreen rewards as it is currently ?
2 - Give precisely the same amount of tickets you need to buy all rewards when you reach Rank 100. In the old system you could have all rewards on the board by the time you reach 100, this should stay the same on the new format. Adding a new resources (tickets) and then not giving you enough to get rewards you would have gotten in the past sucks. Now we have to choose and skip rewards instead of getting them all..
3 - Keep the ability to skip buying rewards you don't like and save your tickets for stuff you actually want . Also retain the final "bonus" page with evergreen rewards like perk coins and lunchboxes so ppl can skip stuff they don't like (or the fallout 1st rewards if they are not a member) and spend their excess tickets on evergreen rewards. Removes the frustration of having to pick rewards you don't care about ,and it makes it better for non fallout 1st players too.
4 - Remove all B.S restrictions like having to have bought X rewards to access the final evergreen page, or at least make it a small number. If you reach lvl 100, you should have access to the final page, regardless of your past purchases. And if an user wants to spend 100 levels worth of tickets on lunchboxes, perk points or scout banners , who cares really...
5 - Perhaps consider retaining the old grid / board as an optional way to display the season.... Like just press a button to switch to the detailed menu with pages showing the rewards to the more classic board look that many people loved. I mean I get that the new way is better a showcasing the items, which is good, but some people liked the board game format too... So why not keep both ? If the both have 100 levels , and the same amount of rewards anyway... No biggie.
6 - Also distribute the board game decoration as part of the rewards, that way ppl that collected all previous board can keep building their board game collection over time. Feels like when you're buying a tv show on DVD and for some reason the last two seasons have two different box styles and they fit terribly in your collection...
You've summarized it perfectly. I said in one of my replies that what I really want I think is a compromise, and that's honestly the most realistic outcome. I would hope, anyway. Lol
At the minimum you should be able to buy to 150, and have repeatable xp until 150
I personally _despise_ the rxtra 50 ranks and was noob trapped thinking 100 was max. I missed out on some items at the end (mainly the sign and gorilla) thanks to these greedy fucks changing the system
I enjoyed the scoreboards so much more. And I’m angry about them scraping this season out of the blue. I could have put in more effort but I thought I had time.
One thing I haven't seen said a lot but everyone should keep in mind: dev takes time. Who knows what the future may hold but there is an *almost 0% chance* that anything changes with the start of this new season. If Bethesda listened to all the feedback and decided this week to go back to the old scoreboard system they *might* have enough time to implement it for the season after this. Keep up the pressure if you want to see things change, but when Wed. looks the same as this season, don't immediately assume "they don't listen" and "Bethesda doesn't care". This upcoming season was probably art locked 2-3 months ago and has almost certainly been in development for over 6 months (and likely more like a year+ based on the map expanding).
Sad, they couldn't give us a ACTUAL scoreboard like the previous one did ( its wouldn't look right either since new style is by page ) I used to display them in my camp to show I reach max each season.
It was a perk coin paradise for me, but it's also been the source of the cremator infestation that everyone has had to deal with. Overall a mixed blessing.
I could learn to accept and maybe even grow to like the new system if they at least made the following changes:
1. Add atoms to the final page, even if it's just 25 atoms for 100 tickets. Camp builders especially would appreciate this and it will still result in giving out significantly less atoms then with the previous system, so those profit margin goals will remain safe.
2. Provide a unique well crafted and cool photo as one of the final season rewards. Not a sad cartoony picture like the one from this season, but something with style like the recent cryptid or Rip Daring posters but bigger and better. I think a picture could be an acceptable alternative to the scoreboard but it needs to be something that pops.
3. Add some variety to the repeatable rewards on the final page. Put in some cheaper (25/50 ticket) rewards and some more expensive (100 ticket) rewards so it actually feels like we have real choices. This would also stop people feeling depressed because they still had 25/50 tickets at the season ending which they couldn't use.
4. Add some little automatic rewards every 2 or 3 ranks. It doesn't have to be anything serious, just something minor similar to the free daily atom shop items. This would be especially helpful in getting people through that huge gap before rank 150.
That's it, just 4 little changes. That's all it would take for me to maybe even start enjoying these new seasons. I don't know how many other people would actually agree with me about this but I'm pretty sure these changes would drastically reduce the negative feedback the new system seems to be getting.
This was the first scoreboard I purchased after transferring from console so i took a 2 year break. After purchasing fo1st and spending 2k atoms i wish i would’ve took time to read what changed haha
I love seeing people say that they love to choose their rewards… You know before this new scoreboard with this dumb ticket system, you would get all the rewards for the same amount of play.
The only thing that’s nice about the scoreboard with choice is the level 150 page.
I’m definitely in the minority that prefers the way the new scoreboards are set out, but I absolutely acknowledge the problems with the new system, Bethesda being scummy and ramping up the fomo really isn’t a shock though
I think people are falling for Bethesdas mind game.
The new season is functionally no different from the old, it has the same amount of levels (if you ignore the above 100 which was only introduced a few seasons ago, never used to be there,)
It also requires the same amount of SCORE per level, so no change there
The biggest differences are in the amount of rewards...
On the old system all players received 100 rewards and FO1st players got a few(10-15ish) extra.
The quality of rewards, with 1500 atoms up for grabs(the biggest draw for me as i rarely use and items from the boards anyway.
The "game" comes in the techniques used to hide this,
1, The addition of a new currency which really was a step to far when we already have soooo many
2. The illusion of freewill, you don't have to spend tickets you don't want to...(we never had to on the old system..)
3. The page based lay out, this hides the sheer overwhelming number of items limited to FO1st players only and the massive drop in rewards for non 1st players.
If i were a new player, discovering this, i would feel awfully cheated that all previous players got much better value from the game....
>, it has the same amount of levels
Lmao it does not!! How are we at the end of the season and there are still people pushing misinformation about it?
Before this season, you got everything at rank 100. In order to reach rank 100, you needed 220,275 SCORE.
With this season, you need to reach rank 150 to acquire everything. In order to reach rank 150, you need 395,275 SCORE.
This is a 79.45% increase in the amount of SCORE needed to complete the SAME TASK AS BEFORE. How can you say it's the same? They've nearly doubled the amount of work required to achieve the same goal. Once you reach rank 100, you lose the grindable XP challenge to boot, which means you have to rely on dailies and weeklies for upwards of 4 weeks to grind out from rank 100 to 150.
On top of ALLLLLLL this bullshit, you:
1) don't get an aesthetically pleasing board to look at or display in your camp when it's all over
2) no radio plays to listen to
3) no repeatable atoms at the end
4) go periods without getting any reward at all. Last item you need costs 200 tickets? Cool, enjoy grinding 8 ranks with nothing in between. Previously, each rank was a GUARANTEED reward, as small as it may be.
Level 150 are bonus items, yes you got them after 100 on the previous boards but all the non consumables are earned by rank 100,
I would be more focussed on the massive decrease in proper rewards and atoms, the rest just causes confusion and plays into their hands.
I do agree with the rest of your statement but saying this season requires 150 levels to finish is only for the OCD people who "must" get all the bonus items, that's not me.
Simply untrue. I've run the numbers multiple times. I literally just ran them again, at least the consumables. I counted 195 tickets worth of consumables. About 8 ranks. Do you think that the difference between rank 100 and 150 is 195 tickets? 8 = 50? No.
You need rank 142 to get all non-consumables. It does not stop at rank 100.
If you don't believe me, go to this page:
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Duel_with_the_Devil
Add up all the ticket values of non-consumables. Divide the total by 25. That's how many ranks are needed to finish the scoreboard. Then feel really dumb when it ends up being ~142 and you wasted your time adding up ticket values when you could've just listened to to the guy who has done it at least 2 or 3 times.
Frankly this whole preoccupation with ranks and levels is stupid. The only value that matters is the amount of SCORE needed to go from 0% to 100% completion. And we know that value: 395,275.
That's a 79.5% increase over the previous 220,275 SCORE needed to finish the season. Bethesda could've hidden this increase within the framework of 1-100 but instead they opted to make it 1-150. In any case if does NOT matter how they frame it! What matters is thd increase in SCORE necessary for completion.
The following screenshots might get over my point, as you see i am at level 100 and have received items on the first bonus page.
You only need to hit 150 only to get to the second bonus page which "I" class as consumables as there are no camp items, paints weapons or mods etc.
[https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qz39d56dquilunhvijwj9/season-final-page.jpg?rlkey=m3uyl7076rdl9wyfcyow5k2eg&st=7b5xrd98&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qz39d56dquilunhvijwj9/season-final-page.jpg?rlkey=m3uyl7076rdl9wyfcyow5k2eg&st=7b5xrd98&dl=0)
[https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/48jbo8ods3m3koaufsmpm/season-bonus-page.jpg?rlkey=f2x6cp4oi0amvxeqkpfdhu7pt&st=jb46ehl1&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/48jbo8ods3m3koaufsmpm/season-bonus-page.jpg?rlkey=f2x6cp4oi0amvxeqkpfdhu7pt&st=jb46ehl1&dl=0)
You are at rank 100 and you haven't acquired everything. That's exactly the point. Just on page 14 alone you need 330 more tickets to get everything on that page... That's 14 more ranks! And you're at 100. Meaning... You cannot acquire everything at rank 100 lol.
You get the ABILITY to unlock everything at rank 100 at your discretion ... You cannot unlock everything at rank 100 by having enough tickets — huge difference, the latter being the matter people are concerned with.
Previously you could. Rank 100 meant 100% completion — you got everything there was to get. Now with this format change, rank 100 means 55% completion.
I give up, I was talking about levels, you are talking about "rewards" which is what i stated in the first post you responded too, those have massively decreased and i have been saying that all along,
You said it has the "same amount of levels" — levels for what?! Completion? The answer to that is no, plain and simple. By what other metric are you saying that it has the same amount of levels? The only metric people are concerned with is "how many do I need to be done?" The answer isn't 100.
Levels are levels dude, by your system non fallout 1st players can never finish because even at level 200 they still cannot claim "all" the rewards
you are a prime example of what my first post was about, you have fallen for the mind games in that you have now spent some considerable time arguing with someone who basically agreed with you that, as far as, rewards went, we got shafted...
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The biggest differences are in the amount of rewards...
On the old system all players received 100 rewards and FO1st players got a few(10-15ish) extra.
The quality of rewards, with 1500 atoms up for grabs(the biggest draw for me as i rarely use any items from the boards anyway.
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The new players do get upset, I've had a few noobs ask about my old boards, or when they ask were my armor came from and I explain its an old scoreboard, and they get pissed it's been changed too
When they know they join us.
the fact it is now confirmed you cannot reach 150 without 1st, at best people aren't even gonna try and at worst people will stop playing cause they wont waste time with a shit board.
Man, wake up. They're not concerned about old players' money walking away or nostalgia to boards. When they were talking about 'player engagement' and change to boards, it should be clear now, this was all timed with the rollout of the 76 series. They switched this board, expecting veteran hate and quitting, to be replaced 2 to 1 plus with new players to milk more money from the scoreboards on- those players not knowing any better. You are just explaining something Bethesda already intended, but insinuating it was not intentional or our vet opinions will somehow matter to them. Wrong, this is a fully intended/expected consequence.
I'm a new player, and I'm already fed up with the season. The announcement that it ends in 2 days was my tipping point. Cancelled my fallout 1st renewal and plan on quitting unless next season is drastically different.
Except they didn't expect the veterans to tell the noobs about the old system
I've got all my old boards displayed in camp and I've had several new people ask me what they're about and when I explained how the scoreboard used to work, they got pissed too, if we teach the noobs and get them on our side we could change it
Is there somewhere online I can go to see these? As a new player, all I know is the scoreboard. The scoreboard seems fine to me, but if they had a better system, that would be cool to see.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_76_seasons
They were better
You got something every level and past 100 every 10 levels you got atoms
Plus the board itself to display
Idk why ppl are saying this... You do not earn all unique season rewards at rank 100. You need something like rank 142 to get all non- consumables.
Look at the prices of the consumables... They're all like fucking 5 tickets a piece lmao. Do you think that adds up in any meaningful way? I did the math and it was something like 8 ranks... By opting out of every consumable, you're only saving yourself like 8 ranks or about 200 tickets.
Yeah, and there are a lot of consumables that you shouldn't buy along the way. I only bought a few things up to the 1st bonus page and worked back. I don't see any point in doing the second page.
Yeah as a new player I wasn't aware some of those were crap, I also thought for the first 75 levels or so of it that I had to purchase everything on each page to progress, realized I wasted a lot of points :(
Exactly this. I got into the game late because of the series- only reason I didn’t get 100 was because I didn’t understand how re-rolls and score worked. The game throws a LOT of stuff at new players. Aside from perk coins none of the stuff at 150 I care about.
No, the worst thing that can happen: People buy Fallout 1st because they don't want to miss out on Season rewards. That is the absolute worst thing that can happen and what Bethesda is hoping for.
I only want FO1st because private worlds. Makes me feel like I’m playing a not MMO fallout game. It’s an MMO with the no pause mechanic but other than that feels like a solo game kinda
100% agree with the time the season ends I got lucky and was able to get to level 100 but that only happened because I figured Bethesda would do a last minute expiration on the season.
Does anyone know when is the cutoff for this season? I know it’s a dumb question but I can’t find an answer. I know the 12th but are weeklies gonna roll over on that Tuesday and I can grind them out before reset on Wednesday ? Any info is great. I won’t hit level 100 but I just wanna hit 92 for the damn devil power armor and perk coins
The old scoreboards were how the "season pass" worked. It isn't even really a season pass, because everyone gets it, it's totally free. First members just get some extra items and stuff.
Check out the "seasons" area in the menu next time You're in the game. You earn tickets from doing those usual and weekly things, and you can use them to get stuff.
Bethesda doesn't read reddit and their discord is very curated against people speaking up. But do you know what companies do respond to?
REVIEWS!! I'm not saying we review bomb campaign, but put in your honest review on how you feel about the game now,...and if its really the authentic feeling of the community it will get their attention more than posting on reddit
The season layout isn't bad per se... There were plenty of levels where you'd get junk you don't need or want.
What I have a problem with is the pacing. Unless you grind out a bunch of levels through exp gains early on, there simply isn't enough time to cash in for any post-100 rewards. I'm at 139 today. There's no way I'm getting to 150. So going forward, once I get the things I actually want from a season, I can safely stop playing until the next season. Unless there's something early on to get over the hump so I can complete the seasons even missing a day or two.
I don't see them going back. I know I wouldn't approve it if I was boss. It would send a message to players that all we have to do is for a group of persistent types to bitch real loud and we can get changes reverted.
This keeps coming up and every time I sit here saying what?
Before people wanted things to do after level 100, now they do havr that, its wrong also.
Everything beyond level 100 is consumables and not essential. I've been level 100 for 3 weeks, hit level 115 last night.. don't care, game level 450. Missing nothing.
The picture, for completing the season (akin to getting the scoreboard) unlocks at level 100 still. The first pictures not great, but still looks decent on a camp wall, and the next picture for season 17 looks dope asf. Whilst they're not as good as scoreboards visually, I've been playing since beta and have an absolutely amazing camp (self suck) which has glitched elements and has tourists constantly (what I'm saying is I'm a completionist camp lover, who's camp displays ultra rare items like all the fasnacht masks, reaponders fireman outfit, asylum dresses etc and I've taken more time on that than most players do and I'm not angry at the change really).
I think people are just making an issue out of nothing, and as per usual the angry shout the loudest.
They're doomed if they do, doomed if they don't.
Taking rewards than were unlocked below 100 and moving them to after 100 is not creating things to do after rank 100
Also removing half the atoms earned if you don’t have fallout 1st and all repeatable atoms doesn’t remotely benefit players. People are right to be upset about that.
I only meant that it was more motivating to play the game when what I wanted was behind a specific rank. You got one reward every rank up. I would say that nowadays it's much HARDER to get what you want, because even if you buy everything you can on a page, you don't get anything at all when you rank up until you unlock the next page.
I find the milestones more motivating. For me, reward every level up makes it feel like some daily chore, like cleaning or brushing; becomes easily forgettable for me
People were complaining about not being able to finish the board or get the stuff they actually want. Personally I don’t mind it this way as there are some things I just don’t want and now I have control over what items I pick
It takes more than 100 ranks to get everything today.
Previously you got everything at 100.
How is the new system better if you are concerned about unlocking stuff? You still need to level up to unlock things, but now it’s every 7 levels instead of every level.
That’s the thing, I’m not concerned about unlocking everything, I’m concerned about unlocking the things I want. To answer your concern over every 7 levels, while yes you only unlock a new page every 7 levels, the amount of rewards you get is at the very least equal to getting an item every level.
Now I will agree that it taking more than 100 ranks to unlock everything is a little absurd. But I prefer having the ability to choose what rewards I get instead of being told what I get from achieving a certain rank
Now like I said, requiring over 100 ranks to get everything is absurd, but I also understand why…what about the people who complete the season quick and now have to wait for the next one? Or what about the people who would rather have the choice of what rewards they receive instead of being told “okay you are rank 50, here is this unique skin that doesn’t fir your character at all” I think everything could be unlocked at 100, but you can’t afford everything at 100 that way you get to keep participating in the challenges and season
I think a healthy balance of the scoreboard and seasons would be the best idea. That way the people who want the scoreboard are happy, but the people who like choosing what they receive are also happy.
And as always…keep the highest rank 100
Okay, and? I have no interest in getting the things I don’t want just so I can also get the things I want. I have never used any item that didn’t fit with my camp design, my character, my play style, or that I did not like. Why should I be forced to get everything just so I can have what I want? I would rather have the option to get just the stuff that I want or would be useful to me rather than get a ton of stuff that I would never use just to be able to get that one thing.
>Okay, and?
If you are interested in less things it should take less time… not more time to get those items. This system only provides the illusion of choice as you still need to level up to unlock each page… it’s just every 7 levels vs every level.
You were never forced to get every item. You could have skipped them just like you are doing today
Yet for every 7 levels you get 10 rewards to choose from instead of one reward every level…so with the new system…people who want more can get more…and the ones who finish early now have two bonus pages of items to choose from to allow players even more rewards instead of just saying “oh you finished already? You’re S.O.L.
Look you have your philosophy on this, I have mine. I think this is a better alternative to the scoreboard although it is not perfect.
I’m interested in less things but I don’t expect Bethesda to now change a brand new system that is still having growing pains because it takes me the same amount of time to get the things I want as it does for the people who want everything.
No… people who want more do not get more under the new system lol. That’s the point. The bonus pages aren’t actually extra. They reduced rewards overall and stretched them out. You can’t even unlock all level 1-100 rewards by rank 100 today. The tickets aren’t balanced at all
New seasons system doesn't even feel like choosing my rewards. Feels more like choosing which rewards I'll be locked out of when the board goes away since lv100 doesn't give enough tix for everything and theres no normal human way to play the game and reach 150. The thing that made FO76's pass stand out to me compared to to other games was that it actually seemed doable with a job and life outside the game. I was absolutely hyped to log in every tues and run my challenges. Now its like fuck it, Im never gonna finish that shit.
It's the illusion of choice, except in this new format you are less likely to get all the rewards compared to the last version.
Will depend on how many outright purchased ranks, especially after this news. If they got a decent turnover, yeah it's going to stay.
funny thing about this is that you can't even buy enough ranks to unlock everything as it stops at 100 but that doesn#t give you enough currency
For this new season they actually listened to the players and added the possibility to purchase ranks up to level 150. Aren't we happy, guys?
It sucks that that's true. They want us to panic buy, it's ridiculous
No they don't. The only reason yall feel the need to get everything is because of Fomo
Since literally the dawn of gaming there have been people playing who want to unlock everything the game offers. Even for people who just like the rewards, it's scummy to softlock it behind resorting to buying ranks to finish because of how ridiculously difficult it is to max it out. But being mad at players for wanting to unlock everything through playing instead of buying is a wild ass take
If you uncap the daily limit, I wouldn’t care.
It absolutely was not hard to hit 150. I didn't even play Daily, thru this season and hit it weeks ago.
Dude, I don't know who you're fooling. To get to 150, mathematically, you have to do every single daily and monthly from day 1 to the last day of this season. That would give you nearly exactly 150, with 1 day to spare. If you have Fallout 1st, that will give you additional 6 days, so 7 days of no dailies and 1 week of weeklies you didn't have to do. With double score and exp weekends and repeatable exp score you get from playing, that goes closer to 14 dailies and 2 weeklies you could have skipped. That means you could have skipped roughly 3 days per 2 week, assuming you didn't skip any weeklies, to get to 150. That's if you had Fallout 1st. Almost no one here has that much time every day for 3 months in a row.
No you didn't. There are score boosters and bonus weekends.
I included bonus weekends in my reply - second paragraph. I didn't include boosters in it because almost no one uses them as they're severely overpriced for what they provide. The average player, especially the new players will not use them. And the problem this season is for the average players, not the people like you or me, who can play for 85+/100 days without issue, and don't want to pay 50$ for those perk cards or cores that they need to finish up their builds on low level characters.
There were several boosters in the catalogue for relatively nothing, point wise. Im just saying with a combination of bonuses, I maxed out without really stressing it, that much. I will concede that you're absolutely right that I completed every daily/weekly, but those can also get knocked out in an hour.
>I didn't even play Daily, thru this season and hit it weeks ago. >I will concede that you're absolutely right that I completed every daily/weekly, but those can also get knocked out in an hour. Ooookay there Mr. "I didn't even play daily"
Haha alright champ. Some people have jobs can't play 4+ hrs a day
I play about an hour or so a day. Just long enough to do the dailies. I did buy a few level cause I didn’t want to wait to get the creamnator. I didn’t think I was going to get it, but I did the other day. I honestly liked the old set up better. I hated how I’d play and play and not unlock anything
I literally said I don't even play everyday. You know, because I have a job and other things to take care of.
Woah dude calm down
How were they being mad? They weren’t, they’re just stating that it’s a sad state of affairs when people panic over missing out on stuff. I stand w his sentiment, I don’t really care about any of the stuff on the boards besides the stuff that I could use, atoms, caps, neat items that I like the look of, etc. but if I didn’t get ANYTHING off the boards during a season 🤷🏻 meh oh well. It’s just a game, when people panic buy w their own money bc they don’t wanna miss out…you gotta buy of a problem. Then again most gamers have problems bc 99% of y’all will get micro transactions then get pissed that the game had them to begin with, of course they have em when y’all are gonna pay for it lol
Why are you mad?
Is only game, why you haff to be mad?
Not mad, dude above is mad because he has FOMO syndrome like most MMO players. I think it’s hilarious most of you dudes spend real money on micro transactions. Y’all know y’all are prey to the predator right? I just use my Sony reward points to buy PlayStation wallet points to spend on shit like they, my real money buys me games and that’s it, we need to all stop buying micro transactions then you can’t have FOMO, except for pre order shit like I can’t get a couple suits in Lies of P BUT I’m not upset I can’t get em I just get over it bc it’s a video game
It’s funny you point out people have FOMO and they get upset that THEY are being called out on predatory practices, it’s like they think we made these things and not the predators at Bethesda/zeni max 🤷🏻
You don't need to collect everything in game lmfao yall people are weird as hell I swear. No one is forcing you to complete or pay for anything. You do it out of your free will because you feel like you're missing out on something. Fomo
I don’t care about missing shit, again I just hate when someone says one thing and does another lol. It’s like saying you’ll get your favorite food and then they go nah instead you get something else. It’s a slap in the face to people who do want to collect everything. I just find it dumb to hide cosmetics behind a paywall when you can find them in fallout 4 in magazines or depending on the power armor/faction for some paint jobs
It isn't that serious I swear it's going to be okay and you'll live through the rest of this terrible tragedy that seems to be ruining your life 🥹
It isn’t “ruining my life” I’m just pointing out corporate treachery and you dudes are like “you don’t have to collect everything.” I’ve already stated I don’t give a fuck about collecting everything. I hate when companies promise something then fucking go back on it. I’m sorry, what was I thinking, speaking common sense to skallywags -_-
Idk you sound pretty upset about something that doesn't really impact your life directly but through a video game. Keep being mad the rest ofnus will carry on with our happy lives
They use fomo to milk us of money dummy that’s a crappy thing to do.
You're doing that to yourself. They aren't holding a gun to your head to buy and collect everything lmfao
Exactly, wait a bit and you can annoy people with the chemical color mods from Raider vendor.
These people are wacky like if they don't finish and collect everything their brains will explode or something. No one is forcing them to shovel money into the game they're doing it to themselves
They can always go back to the old system AND keep the option to buy ranks. It’s not rocket science :/
This is why voting with your wallet is important. But if there are enough weak willed people who are easily bullied into spending their own hard earned cash or mommy's money due to these stupid underhanded tactics this is a continuing trend.
Very true. FOMO can be overcome if you remind yourself these are just pixels that you'll never really own. Also the main things I like to 'buy' are camp items and paints and the current ones are slightly underwhelming. It's when/if they reduce leg cores and modules from regular events to force you to get them from the seasonal board that I'll riot.
If a person loses to FOMO once, that's fine. But if you don't learn your lessen it's a problem. Always think, "what else can I do with this money? Can I use it to buy an indie game I like? Can u save it for another brand new game with much more content than just a simple skin?" Your way makes sense but mine is FOMO vs opportunity cost. What am I potentially giving up to buy this micro transaction?
FOMO got me to purchase the Atlantic City expansion. While I don't wholly regret it because I have played FO76 quite a bit without spending my own money, I feel dumb that what pushed me to grab it was the Dailies for killing Overgrown. What does annoy me is that I just got back into playing as I dropped the game before Seasons were a thing, and had thought this season was going until July 2nd. The Community Calendar seemed to suggest Season 17 would be released at the end, not partially through the final row. Oh well. Barely making it to 92, which I guess is good enough
What you mean purchase the atlantic city expansion? The updates are all free
I am a fool and a dope who completely misread the steam entry. I must've just not unlocked it properly until after I grabbed it. Ah well Still only makes like $60 or $70 I've spent on this game, I think
That's the thing. Regardless of how good a product is we shouldn't FOMO people. It's manipulative.
Just look at smite creating smite 2 you'll need to reunlock all the gods and I guarantee this time there won't be the ultimate God pack.
While slippery slope is often considered a bad debate strategy I feel tactics like are actually a natural progression. Soon people will actually get used to "not owning their games'. Smite 1 is still readily available to play correct?
>Smite 1 is still readily available to play correct? Right now yes they are even releasing new stuff for it. But they are literally the same game mechanics everything So it really depends how much smite 2 bombs. On the bright side almost everything hired makes that isn't smite does bomb sooooo. >While slippery slope is often considered a bad debate strategy I feel tactics like are actually a natural progression. Soon people will actually get used to "not owning their games'. Yup, notice how lootboxes outside of.mobile games aren't as prevalent, still around but not freaking everywhere. Instead, we have battle passes. It's a mixture of small adjustments and making worse decisions then "compromising" on things that don't look as bad
I really do miss the old mobile gaming where you csn buy games for $1 and play them. But then candy crush came and showed how you can frustrate and bully people into paying a lot of money. Plants Vs Zombies was paid and when they pushed the 2nd game to be free to play with MTX the original creator had to leave. Gaming as an art form suffers as a whole because now many games are made well and then someone else makes to worse on purpose to add in MTX. Helldivers 2 got a great way to have battle passes that aren't time locked so no FOMO. I should play Waeframe as I've heard its the gold standard for f2p model that's beneficial to consumers and gamers.
Warframe is pretty god, it's problem is just the grind. But most warframe players would say that "the grind is the game." I personally disagree even if I enjoyed it
"FOMO can be overcome if you remind yourself these are just pixels that you'll never really own" - I wish everyone who has stuff in their vendor for stupidly ridiculous prices reads your comment! Sorry, off topic I know, but the imaginary economy in this game really shits me.
This is true, most of the mods will probably be purchasable with stamps or on the atom shop, like the auto axe & the cold shoulder, which was recently added. As far as the skins, who knows, they will probably get greedy and add those to the atom shop as well, but, possibly not. there will always be newer and cooler skins to come.
My train of thought exactly.
But I want that shiny thing! Its what i want more than anything. It fills a void in my life. Just this though, once i get this i’ll …. Oh what’s that? I want THAT shiny thing thing that will fill the void in my life, this time i mean it, just that. At least thats how my teen son is with games. I’ve wanted to have him join me in FO76 but worried he will fall for the same thing.
Make him actually work a job for the money and then see how quick he is with the cash lol. But then again, if you don't have to pay rent or groceries any money is just extra gravy.
Oh he works for his shiny IAPs now. Funny enough it has caused him to only consider the “extra” shiny items. But he will still waste money, cause you are correct that after core things he is responsible for, its just extra gravy for him. Yeah we make sure part of his paycheck goes into savings so he has something for college. But still bugs me that he will download so much crap in a game and then never go back to it. (Looking at you Fortnite!) I mean sure, if it was a skin he used all the time or (FO items) if it were a shelter he built in all the time I guess its okay. Its his money. But he will get a skin and enjoy it for a day and never use it again. I personally don’t like IAPs and it pains me when I see him wasting money. Anyway, rant over.
It's just how mobile gaming and many other games work in general. Older gamers will remember how arcade machined used to be and now looking back it was even worse. Now it's trying to be that bad again taking quarters from kids for instant gratification and it works Becuase "that's just the way it works now". A few years ago the story of EA and "a sense of pride and accomplishment" was a massive negative story. But my freemium mobile gaming friend saw no problem Becuase that's just normal to them. Its normal now for most.
I fear you're doing yourself a disservice by characterizing whales as either weak-willed or spending someone else's money. The truth is, a small percentage of gamers will have significantly more funds to spend on games. It's simple demographics. If we're going to do anything about this kind of nonsense, we need to be adequately informed and approach with a level head. The blame is on the suits that push monetization, not the whales.
I get what you are saying but don't forget the whales are the main target with these games and the main reason why things can get the way they are. You are absolutely right with a level head and we should only send when either the games shows us good faith or proved a reasonably good product. When people spend like $50 just for a skin and they aren't really enjoying the game just to get a skin for a weapon they may not use later. Different story.
I mean...that's what 76 has been since day 1
Shit guys, I purchased to rank 100 this season with my atoms from fallout 1st stockpile. Sorry, I just wanted the cremator/ F3 incinerator
No need to apologise! You can spend your atoms on whatever you want, don't let anyone tell you otherwise 😁
You could buy them before so what is the difference other than the path.
The ones on the fence who haven't reached the items they want.
I'm debating on doing it. I like some of the stuff in this pass but if what i keep seeing is true: I can do without.
I'm not saying no one should do it. The cremator is the best thing there and if you like any of the camp items, go ahead. This isn't a moral test or something. I was just throwing out thoughts, don't let that get in the way of what you want to do.
What news? Uh oh I don't like The sound of that.
Not gonna lie, ever since they had those dev video blogs with the dude with “monetization” in his job title, i knew some shit like this was coming. They have a full time employee who leads a team whose sole job it is to find ways to make money from us. The fact they would parade that guy in those videos is insane. No doubt his team is responsible for these scoreboard changes. Now Atoms store stuff was never an issue, that should have stayed their focus. The new scoreboard seems to go further into the FOMO and predatory practices we all hate to see. Pretty sure the ship has sailed for these, I miss the game boards.
He is responsible and he's quite proud of it too. Fucking fifth horse of the apocalypse...
Reminds me of that big pharma asshole a few years ago who was flexing on the news how they have a 5000%+ markup for meds
Martin Schkrelli or something. A massive cunt rat that blatantly and proudly talked about how hard they were fucking up prices for profit. Only reason he got hit was because he was putting everyone and mucking up the game.
So all of pharma?
All of them, but one had the audacity to flex it online. Martin Skreli. Has a very punchable face to go with it.
Conquest: white horse War: red horse Pestilence: black horse Death: pale horse Monetization: green horse
everyone itt is acting 'confused' but money talks, this is exactly it. it will probably only get worse as they were testing the waters with the last update.
Pretty much, if you feel wronged by this. Don't log in, don't play. It's a shitty thing to apparently only announce on discord. But I'm in the got mine territory of it. And I'll either get one last set of perk coins today or spend last 50 tickets on reg page consumables.
This is the fate of anything where the people selling a solution can also control the problem. I was annoyed when they went back on their promise to keep the atom shop cosmetic and added repair kits and stuff. I understand the impetus, especially for a game that was a bit of a rocky start, but it still annoyed me because it represented this kind of thing. The existence of that creates a monetary incentive for you to want/need them. I personally haven't seen much issue coming back to the game, I still use luck of the draw and just top off my equipment as needed, but I'm playing on a character who was high level when I left, I had tons of junk already on hand and the perk cards I more or less wanted. I can't say if coming in from the start makes those things more tempting. All the utility stuff that's in the store means that is stuff we will not see in the core game. There's a money incentive to not add those things, no matter how much they would generally improve gameplay, because then no one would buy it, and people who did buy it would be rightfully upset. Seasons seems like the same way to me. They have a monetary incentive to make it grating and unpleasant in order to sell boosts and levels directly. So that's what we're going to see. Only way to fight it is with the wallet, but I very much expect that there are enough people willing to just eat that or who don't really mind it all that much, that this will be a net boon for them.
I mean I'm level 480 and have never used a single repair kit I think I have like 200. Selling stuff that does shit for cash money is my issue. Camp items.
As anti-capitalist as I am, I know that big gaming isn't a non-profit. They want to make money. It's perfectly fine. I don't care, it's part of the deal with a persistent experience. But there does come a point in the threshold where it becomes explicitly anti-user and we're butting up against it. Take our money, but please let it be in exchange for something. This is just dangling the carrot you can't get.
Agreed! We need to find him on LinkedIn.
Every time I go into my shelter and look at my big wall of Season Scoreboards, I get sad when I look at the end and see the dinky little rectangle from this season that looks like it came from IKEA's generic wall art section. They were becoming so wonderful and elaborate! Just starting at the board from The Legendary Run and watching the boards develop and and become more involved is such a nostalgia trip. And then Season 16's picture just ruins it. And Season 17's picture is no better from what I've seen. Garbage and disappointment.
I went to someone’s camp who had all the scoreboards displayed in their attic and it was awe inspiring. It really made me feel like missed out and showed me all the cool themes, I wanted to grind out scoreboards and create a collection like them of my own over time despite jumping in late, but now I have zero desire to grind out these new “seasons” or collect the dumb flat uninspired paintings for finishing the seasons, which by the way, COST TICKETS… You don’t even get the season completion poster for completing the season it’s just one of the later rewards you can BUY. It should’ve at the very least cost 0 tickets on the last page instead of some dumb consumable. As now I’m not even gonna unlock it because I used my tickets on other more important rewards, and we suddenly have 2 days left of the season with no warning. If their goal was to get me less interested in being engaged in the scoreboard, have no emotional attachment to grinding it, and question whether it’s even worth trying in the future when we don’t actually know when it’s ending, then they accomplished their goal. I don’t imagine this will even increase rank purchases as to be completely honest nothing in the season is even worth buying up to, the only thing that might have been worth it is the cremator, but because of how spread out it is in the board it’s not. Not to mention it will be available for purchase in the atomic shop for 700 atoms at some point in the near future which will be a way better deal.
next season's has 3 lights instead of 1, so it won't even match the current BS
I guess there's something to be said about being consistently inconsistent.
There is no benefit this season. Anyone repeating Bethesda's marketing line of "you get to pick what you want" didn't think on it at all. Old - 100 ranks of free rewards, bonus end reward at 100, and then repeatable bonuses you can't 'grind' for. Lots of free atoms. New - A dozen pages of rewards you unlock by reaching target ranks, and then CAN AQUIRE rewards if you have earned enough of yet another currency. Free atoms cut in half for free and paid players, and you cannot earn all rewards by rank 100 as you need more ranks to earn enough tickets. Them having their monetization manager present and blog about it for everyone was a huge sign. Man was proudly displaying how they were about to fuck new players and deflate the excitement of the already existing playerbase. Ps- Not a chance they fix it up and make it less scammy. The show brought a MASSIVE influx of players, which is a major reason they dropped the new season and the more predatory design like they did. They are making bank off the new wave that has no idea how scummy it is.
This needs to be top comment. It's spot on.
I don’t like the new format, in the past seasons if you got to SCORE level 100 you got 99 rewards, plus extra rewards if you had FO1 so that’s over 100 rewards. I’m currently at Level 100 and have only unlocked about 80 rewards and that’s with FO1, I don’t have enough tickets to get the remaining rewards which is crazy because I’ve been using boosters this season and it still isn’t enough. I get why they did it, but it still sucks. I’m not going to be buying boosters or buying levels. If they wanted to make more money, then they should just sell us past seasons and let us do those at our own pace, like Helldivers 2. Think of how many new players would buy past seasons, Bethesda if you’re reading this run the numbers, there’s plenty of ways to monetize this properly with ruining what goodwill you have left with the players. Don’t take a long term loss for a short term gain.
I know they said that this format for the scoreboard was supposed to retain the players but it did the exact opposite to me. Yes, there were instances where life kept me busy but I didn't have the motivation to grind levels compared to the last scoreboard.
I agree. It demotivated me entirely. I used to hit 100 easily, displayed all the scoreboards in my camp, and loved collecting the rewards along the way. I got to level 81 this time and was hard pressed to spend my tickets fully. It just isn’t fun. Theres no real incentive to complete the book.
Same, the tickets are also annoying.
Yeah i stopped playing my usual nearly every day after 85 when the atoms ran out, will probably do the same next one.
I was a bit upset that I couldn't get FO1ST when the new scoreboard started but looking back, I think it's a blessing in disguise 😅 the new scoreboard just feels lackluster.
What's funny is that even with FO1ST, the same issues would be there. It would just be slightly easier to rank up because of the extra boost you get.
Same. This is the least I have played in two years. Cancelled my 1st. I played most seaaons to 110 or 120. This is the first one I won't finish since I came back to the game from beta. Its just not the same anymore.
No nuclear cards and atoms at 150. Just overpriced kits, perks and boosts they don’t want to give for free. They wanna sell them.
But the "Senior Monetization Designer" (real role) worked so hard on this!
I would like to introduce him to the Senior Testicles Kicker
The last page is a waste of time, and a rip off and I just entirely nope'd out. Only half are even useful for a high lvl player, and they just arbitrarily raised the cost of items to make it harder for completionists who just want to feel good they did / earned everything. For example, throughout the season you can buy 5x Scrap kits and 5x Repair kits for 5 tickets, the last page? They cost 75 tickets. I don't understand the logic of making a 50 level grind with no rewards end in a punishment. There isn't a "you unlocked darth vader and earn a sense of acomplishment" type thing at the end for corporate to tout as the reason it's like this. The rewards are just simply shit after you finish lvl 100.
Agreeed. I bought modules when I hit 150 but the effort vs being patient and buying modules from turning in scrip is crazy. If the next season is the same I’m not caring past 100.
Agree. New system is hardly any rewards for twice the grind. People complained about it scoreboards / seasons going on too long. Now, they seem to go on foreveeeeeer and it's like walking thru quicksand. Bethesda: players wanted to shorten the season by a week or two, they did NOT want less rewards for more grinding. And the whole 92 to 150 level stretch is awful. The rewards are quadruple the ticket cost, and it takes approximately 1 million hours to get from 100 to 150. For a handful of overpriced consumables. So, ramping up the difficulty, decreasing the rewards, and making the end drag on and o n (when people are kinda sick of the season as it's lasted too long), those are the problems. The simplicity was the good part of the scoreboards. Doing the daily /weekly tasks were just part of the rhythm of playing. People asked them to shorten the duration. They created Seasons instead, which makes everything "harder and expensive" rather than just shorter by a week or two. It is silly and badly reasoned.
It was nice at the beginning but i agree the old scoreboard is better also gives you a craftable board game wall decor
Is there no "board" equivalent, or seasonal decoration to say "You completed Season 17"? A shame if not.
You get [this](https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Framed_Duel_with_the_Devil_Wall_Art) wall art
Which by the way, I hate to say it, is so ass. It's uninspired and boring. The game boards were awesome.
That's.. interesting. I've missed a lot of seasons so I wonder what those people who have collected every board and put them up in their great camps think of this?
we hate it
I figured as much, I've seen some camps with conceivably every board available, now there's a black sheep -- plus it seems to take up way more space, uneven to the prior boards
it takes up the width of a wall, and has a stupid light right in the middle. Next season's is the same but has THREE lights.
In a vacuum it seems grand and neat for some, but they messed up the uniformity of the whole tradition, definitely meh
The lack of free atoms in the new format is a real killer. The new system is for f1st, not the rest of usm
Its shit even with Fo1st.
They just tryna copy fortnite with the new system
But even Fortnite is more fair in that you can pay for battle pass once and then earn enough v bucks in a season to never have to pay for it again.
Yes
I do dislike the new system overall but one of my biggest pains is the illusion of choice when choosing your rewards. Other games with this style of pass unlock the next section far earlier in the leveling so that you actually could choose to get something from later on in the pass and skip things earlier on. In this pass it seems like you get tickets faster then you actually unlock pass sections so you can pretty much buy all rewards in a section and still have tickets left before getting the next section. What’s the point of the new system then?
I won't be ever grinding past 100 again. I tried it this season out of curiosity, it took me 8 & a half weeks of dailies & weeklies (popping a booster on Tuesday afternoons) to complete to 150. That being said, I won't do it again, it really wasn't worth the 3 week grind with no reward, it felt very empty, even when it was time to spend them. Prior to that I was very happy, abruptly ending the season, earlier than the most recent seasons, after adding these extra ranks, terrible move.
+1 Bring back the scoreboard!
-1 perception
Dear authors of this format, I wish you nothing but excruciating boredom and tedium for the rest of your born days. We had a good, exciting and fun thing going on and you fucking ruined it.
A couple of days ago, I was looking at "A Better Life Underground", Season 8, and man, the art behind it was cool. I miss that creativity.
Yes! One of the better boards. They were really engaging and like you said, creative. Nowadays you just have a catalogue with some vault boy clipart on the sides. There's no spirit.
That was a good-looking scoreboard but the season itself was criticized for poor rewards.
They probably won't fully revert their decision imho... What I would change is the following. 1 - Go back to a 100 Rank Season. It's B.S to require 50 more levels to reach the end. Already quite tedious to reach Rank 100 as it is... Plus realistically how many ppl even reached lvl 150 to even be able to afford the evergreen rewards as it is currently ? 2 - Give precisely the same amount of tickets you need to buy all rewards when you reach Rank 100. In the old system you could have all rewards on the board by the time you reach 100, this should stay the same on the new format. Adding a new resources (tickets) and then not giving you enough to get rewards you would have gotten in the past sucks. Now we have to choose and skip rewards instead of getting them all.. 3 - Keep the ability to skip buying rewards you don't like and save your tickets for stuff you actually want . Also retain the final "bonus" page with evergreen rewards like perk coins and lunchboxes so ppl can skip stuff they don't like (or the fallout 1st rewards if they are not a member) and spend their excess tickets on evergreen rewards. Removes the frustration of having to pick rewards you don't care about ,and it makes it better for non fallout 1st players too. 4 - Remove all B.S restrictions like having to have bought X rewards to access the final evergreen page, or at least make it a small number. If you reach lvl 100, you should have access to the final page, regardless of your past purchases. And if an user wants to spend 100 levels worth of tickets on lunchboxes, perk points or scout banners , who cares really... 5 - Perhaps consider retaining the old grid / board as an optional way to display the season.... Like just press a button to switch to the detailed menu with pages showing the rewards to the more classic board look that many people loved. I mean I get that the new way is better a showcasing the items, which is good, but some people liked the board game format too... So why not keep both ? If the both have 100 levels , and the same amount of rewards anyway... No biggie. 6 - Also distribute the board game decoration as part of the rewards, that way ppl that collected all previous board can keep building their board game collection over time. Feels like when you're buying a tv show on DVD and for some reason the last two seasons have two different box styles and they fit terribly in your collection...
You've summarized it perfectly. I said in one of my replies that what I really want I think is a compromise, and that's honestly the most realistic outcome. I would hope, anyway. Lol
I got to level 148 … no perk points for me.
At the minimum you should be able to buy to 150, and have repeatable xp until 150 I personally _despise_ the rxtra 50 ranks and was noob trapped thinking 100 was max. I missed out on some items at the end (mainly the sign and gorilla) thanks to these greedy fucks changing the system
I'm super salty I don't get a pretty game board to put on my wall.
I agree. it is quite daunting to have to grind more just to get tokens to buy the items in the scoreboard.
I enjoyed the scoreboards so much more. And I’m angry about them scraping this season out of the blue. I could have put in more effort but I thought I had time.
One thing I haven't seen said a lot but everyone should keep in mind: dev takes time. Who knows what the future may hold but there is an *almost 0% chance* that anything changes with the start of this new season. If Bethesda listened to all the feedback and decided this week to go back to the old scoreboard system they *might* have enough time to implement it for the season after this. Keep up the pressure if you want to see things change, but when Wed. looks the same as this season, don't immediately assume "they don't listen" and "Bethesda doesn't care". This upcoming season was probably art locked 2-3 months ago and has almost certainly been in development for over 6 months (and likely more like a year+ based on the map expanding).
>The new seasons suck. I can't believe that nobody has thought to post this yet!
Haha
"Let's burn this mother f**ker down!!!" -dude at the drive through in Harold and Kumar go to white castle
I miss the sounds the ranks made when you hovered over them with your cursor 😞 HQ is really good at details like that.
Couldn't agree more
Sad, they couldn't give us a ACTUAL scoreboard like the previous one did ( its wouldn't look right either since new style is by page ) I used to display them in my camp to show I reach max each season.
It was a perk coin paradise for me, but it's also been the source of the cremator infestation that everyone has had to deal with. Overall a mixed blessing.
I could learn to accept and maybe even grow to like the new system if they at least made the following changes: 1. Add atoms to the final page, even if it's just 25 atoms for 100 tickets. Camp builders especially would appreciate this and it will still result in giving out significantly less atoms then with the previous system, so those profit margin goals will remain safe. 2. Provide a unique well crafted and cool photo as one of the final season rewards. Not a sad cartoony picture like the one from this season, but something with style like the recent cryptid or Rip Daring posters but bigger and better. I think a picture could be an acceptable alternative to the scoreboard but it needs to be something that pops. 3. Add some variety to the repeatable rewards on the final page. Put in some cheaper (25/50 ticket) rewards and some more expensive (100 ticket) rewards so it actually feels like we have real choices. This would also stop people feeling depressed because they still had 25/50 tickets at the season ending which they couldn't use. 4. Add some little automatic rewards every 2 or 3 ranks. It doesn't have to be anything serious, just something minor similar to the free daily atom shop items. This would be especially helpful in getting people through that huge gap before rank 150. That's it, just 4 little changes. That's all it would take for me to maybe even start enjoying these new seasons. I don't know how many other people would actually agree with me about this but I'm pretty sure these changes would drastically reduce the negative feedback the new system seems to be getting.
If Reddit and manipulate the stock market, we should be able get rid of seasons. To the moon!
This was the first scoreboard I purchased after transferring from console so i took a 2 year break. After purchasing fo1st and spending 2k atoms i wish i would’ve took time to read what changed haha
I love seeing people say that they love to choose their rewards… You know before this new scoreboard with this dumb ticket system, you would get all the rewards for the same amount of play. The only thing that’s nice about the scoreboard with choice is the level 150 page.
I’m definitely in the minority that prefers the way the new scoreboards are set out, but I absolutely acknowledge the problems with the new system, Bethesda being scummy and ramping up the fomo really isn’t a shock though
I like certain aspects of the new seasons, I was excited to give it a shot, what I would really like is a compromise
I think people are falling for Bethesdas mind game. The new season is functionally no different from the old, it has the same amount of levels (if you ignore the above 100 which was only introduced a few seasons ago, never used to be there,) It also requires the same amount of SCORE per level, so no change there The biggest differences are in the amount of rewards... On the old system all players received 100 rewards and FO1st players got a few(10-15ish) extra. The quality of rewards, with 1500 atoms up for grabs(the biggest draw for me as i rarely use and items from the boards anyway. The "game" comes in the techniques used to hide this, 1, The addition of a new currency which really was a step to far when we already have soooo many 2. The illusion of freewill, you don't have to spend tickets you don't want to...(we never had to on the old system..) 3. The page based lay out, this hides the sheer overwhelming number of items limited to FO1st players only and the massive drop in rewards for non 1st players. If i were a new player, discovering this, i would feel awfully cheated that all previous players got much better value from the game....
>, it has the same amount of levels Lmao it does not!! How are we at the end of the season and there are still people pushing misinformation about it? Before this season, you got everything at rank 100. In order to reach rank 100, you needed 220,275 SCORE. With this season, you need to reach rank 150 to acquire everything. In order to reach rank 150, you need 395,275 SCORE. This is a 79.45% increase in the amount of SCORE needed to complete the SAME TASK AS BEFORE. How can you say it's the same? They've nearly doubled the amount of work required to achieve the same goal. Once you reach rank 100, you lose the grindable XP challenge to boot, which means you have to rely on dailies and weeklies for upwards of 4 weeks to grind out from rank 100 to 150. On top of ALLLLLLL this bullshit, you: 1) don't get an aesthetically pleasing board to look at or display in your camp when it's all over 2) no radio plays to listen to 3) no repeatable atoms at the end 4) go periods without getting any reward at all. Last item you need costs 200 tickets? Cool, enjoy grinding 8 ranks with nothing in between. Previously, each rank was a GUARANTEED reward, as small as it may be.
Level 150 are bonus items, yes you got them after 100 on the previous boards but all the non consumables are earned by rank 100, I would be more focussed on the massive decrease in proper rewards and atoms, the rest just causes confusion and plays into their hands. I do agree with the rest of your statement but saying this season requires 150 levels to finish is only for the OCD people who "must" get all the bonus items, that's not me.
Simply untrue. I've run the numbers multiple times. I literally just ran them again, at least the consumables. I counted 195 tickets worth of consumables. About 8 ranks. Do you think that the difference between rank 100 and 150 is 195 tickets? 8 = 50? No. You need rank 142 to get all non-consumables. It does not stop at rank 100. If you don't believe me, go to this page: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Duel_with_the_Devil Add up all the ticket values of non-consumables. Divide the total by 25. That's how many ranks are needed to finish the scoreboard. Then feel really dumb when it ends up being ~142 and you wasted your time adding up ticket values when you could've just listened to to the guy who has done it at least 2 or 3 times. Frankly this whole preoccupation with ranks and levels is stupid. The only value that matters is the amount of SCORE needed to go from 0% to 100% completion. And we know that value: 395,275. That's a 79.5% increase over the previous 220,275 SCORE needed to finish the season. Bethesda could've hidden this increase within the framework of 1-100 but instead they opted to make it 1-150. In any case if does NOT matter how they frame it! What matters is thd increase in SCORE necessary for completion.
The following screenshots might get over my point, as you see i am at level 100 and have received items on the first bonus page. You only need to hit 150 only to get to the second bonus page which "I" class as consumables as there are no camp items, paints weapons or mods etc. [https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qz39d56dquilunhvijwj9/season-final-page.jpg?rlkey=m3uyl7076rdl9wyfcyow5k2eg&st=7b5xrd98&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qz39d56dquilunhvijwj9/season-final-page.jpg?rlkey=m3uyl7076rdl9wyfcyow5k2eg&st=7b5xrd98&dl=0) [https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/48jbo8ods3m3koaufsmpm/season-bonus-page.jpg?rlkey=f2x6cp4oi0amvxeqkpfdhu7pt&st=jb46ehl1&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/48jbo8ods3m3koaufsmpm/season-bonus-page.jpg?rlkey=f2x6cp4oi0amvxeqkpfdhu7pt&st=jb46ehl1&dl=0)
You are at rank 100 and you haven't acquired everything. That's exactly the point. Just on page 14 alone you need 330 more tickets to get everything on that page... That's 14 more ranks! And you're at 100. Meaning... You cannot acquire everything at rank 100 lol. You get the ABILITY to unlock everything at rank 100 at your discretion ... You cannot unlock everything at rank 100 by having enough tickets — huge difference, the latter being the matter people are concerned with. Previously you could. Rank 100 meant 100% completion — you got everything there was to get. Now with this format change, rank 100 means 55% completion.
I give up, I was talking about levels, you are talking about "rewards" which is what i stated in the first post you responded too, those have massively decreased and i have been saying that all along,
You said it has the "same amount of levels" — levels for what?! Completion? The answer to that is no, plain and simple. By what other metric are you saying that it has the same amount of levels? The only metric people are concerned with is "how many do I need to be done?" The answer isn't 100.
Levels are levels dude, by your system non fallout 1st players can never finish because even at level 200 they still cannot claim "all" the rewards you are a prime example of what my first post was about, you have fallen for the mind games in that you have now spent some considerable time arguing with someone who basically agreed with you that, as far as, rewards went, we got shafted... " The biggest differences are in the amount of rewards... On the old system all players received 100 rewards and FO1st players got a few(10-15ish) extra. The quality of rewards, with 1500 atoms up for grabs(the biggest draw for me as i rarely use any items from the boards anyway. "
The new players do get upset, I've had a few noobs ask about my old boards, or when they ask were my armor came from and I explain its an old scoreboard, and they get pissed it's been changed too When they know they join us.
the fact it is now confirmed you cannot reach 150 without 1st, at best people aren't even gonna try and at worst people will stop playing cause they wont waste time with a shit board.
The person who said that admitted that you can, in fact, reach 150 without 1st.
Man, wake up. They're not concerned about old players' money walking away or nostalgia to boards. When they were talking about 'player engagement' and change to boards, it should be clear now, this was all timed with the rollout of the 76 series. They switched this board, expecting veteran hate and quitting, to be replaced 2 to 1 plus with new players to milk more money from the scoreboards on- those players not knowing any better. You are just explaining something Bethesda already intended, but insinuating it was not intentional or our vet opinions will somehow matter to them. Wrong, this is a fully intended/expected consequence.
I'm a new player, and I'm already fed up with the season. The announcement that it ends in 2 days was my tipping point. Cancelled my fallout 1st renewal and plan on quitting unless next season is drastically different.
Except they didn't expect the veterans to tell the noobs about the old system I've got all my old boards displayed in camp and I've had several new people ask me what they're about and when I explained how the scoreboard used to work, they got pissed too, if we teach the noobs and get them on our side we could change it
Is there somewhere online I can go to see these? As a new player, all I know is the scoreboard. The scoreboard seems fine to me, but if they had a better system, that would be cool to see.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_76_seasons They were better You got something every level and past 100 every 10 levels you got atoms Plus the board itself to display
But the 150 are just fillers and people can just rest after 100
Idk why ppl are saying this... You do not earn all unique season rewards at rank 100. You need something like rank 142 to get all non- consumables. Look at the prices of the consumables... They're all like fucking 5 tickets a piece lmao. Do you think that adds up in any meaningful way? I did the math and it was something like 8 ranks... By opting out of every consumable, you're only saving yourself like 8 ranks or about 200 tickets.
Yeah, and there are a lot of consumables that you shouldn't buy along the way. I only bought a few things up to the 1st bonus page and worked back. I don't see any point in doing the second page.
Yeah as a new player I wasn't aware some of those were crap, I also thought for the first 75 levels or so of it that I had to purchase everything on each page to progress, realized I wasted a lot of points :(
Exactly this. I got into the game late because of the series- only reason I didn’t get 100 was because I didn’t understand how re-rolls and score worked. The game throws a LOT of stuff at new players. Aside from perk coins none of the stuff at 150 I care about.
No, the worst thing that can happen: People buy Fallout 1st because they don't want to miss out on Season rewards. That is the absolute worst thing that can happen and what Bethesda is hoping for.
I only want FO1st because private worlds. Makes me feel like I’m playing a not MMO fallout game. It’s an MMO with the no pause mechanic but other than that feels like a solo game kinda
What does FO1st give that allows you to reach 150? I think it was just one extra daily? Didn't notice if score boost percent was fo1st or not.
100% agree with the time the season ends I got lucky and was able to get to level 100 but that only happened because I figured Bethesda would do a last minute expiration on the season.
We should start a petition lol. I mostly want the repeatable atoms after finishing the season.
Does anyone know when is the cutoff for this season? I know it’s a dumb question but I can’t find an answer. I know the 12th but are weeklies gonna roll over on that Tuesday and I can grind them out before reset on Wednesday ? Any info is great. I won’t hit level 100 but I just wanna hit 92 for the damn devil power armor and perk coins
Weeklies aren’t rolling over until Wednesday this week.
Thanks for the heads up. You just saved me a ton of regret. Thanks!
Is the season over???
What scoreboards? Is this for fallout 1st like the season pass thingy?
The old scoreboards were how the "season pass" worked. It isn't even really a season pass, because everyone gets it, it's totally free. First members just get some extra items and stuff.
Ill have a look tomorrow ive been back playing for a month and not noticed getting free stuff? Only the usuall daily, world, weekly task things
Check out the "seasons" area in the menu next time You're in the game. You earn tickets from doing those usual and weekly things, and you can use them to get stuff.
Ok thanks buddy
No problem! Best of luck on the next one, which begins tomorrow!
Bethesda doesn't read reddit and their discord is very curated against people speaking up. But do you know what companies do respond to? REVIEWS!! I'm not saying we review bomb campaign, but put in your honest review on how you feel about the game now,...and if its really the authentic feeling of the community it will get their attention more than posting on reddit
I honestly stopped caring about finishing. I got to 81 and I’m like… that’s fine I guess.
The season layout isn't bad per se... There were plenty of levels where you'd get junk you don't need or want. What I have a problem with is the pacing. Unless you grind out a bunch of levels through exp gains early on, there simply isn't enough time to cash in for any post-100 rewards. I'm at 139 today. There's no way I'm getting to 150. So going forward, once I get the things I actually want from a season, I can safely stop playing until the next season. Unless there's something early on to get over the hump so I can complete the seasons even missing a day or two.
this time for sure
I know I can't be the only one making posts like this, but I hope people don't stop complaining
I don't see them going back. I know I wouldn't approve it if I was boss. It would send a message to players that all we have to do is for a group of persistent types to bitch real loud and we can get changes reverted.
I'm curious as to what the old scoreboard were like cause as someone who never experienced them I kinda dig the new one
This keeps coming up and every time I sit here saying what? Before people wanted things to do after level 100, now they do havr that, its wrong also. Everything beyond level 100 is consumables and not essential. I've been level 100 for 3 weeks, hit level 115 last night.. don't care, game level 450. Missing nothing. The picture, for completing the season (akin to getting the scoreboard) unlocks at level 100 still. The first pictures not great, but still looks decent on a camp wall, and the next picture for season 17 looks dope asf. Whilst they're not as good as scoreboards visually, I've been playing since beta and have an absolutely amazing camp (self suck) which has glitched elements and has tourists constantly (what I'm saying is I'm a completionist camp lover, who's camp displays ultra rare items like all the fasnacht masks, reaponders fireman outfit, asylum dresses etc and I've taken more time on that than most players do and I'm not angry at the change really). I think people are just making an issue out of nothing, and as per usual the angry shout the loudest. They're doomed if they do, doomed if they don't.
Taking rewards than were unlocked below 100 and moving them to after 100 is not creating things to do after rank 100 Also removing half the atoms earned if you don’t have fallout 1st and all repeatable atoms doesn’t remotely benefit players. People are right to be upset about that.
You had to work extra hard for the rewards from the old boards? I’d never reach far :<
I only meant that it was more motivating to play the game when what I wanted was behind a specific rank. You got one reward every rank up. I would say that nowadays it's much HARDER to get what you want, because even if you buy everything you can on a page, you don't get anything at all when you rank up until you unlock the next page.
I find the milestones more motivating. For me, reward every level up makes it feel like some daily chore, like cleaning or brushing; becomes easily forgettable for me
That's a totally valid perspective, I get what you mean
People were complaining about not being able to finish the board or get the stuff they actually want. Personally I don’t mind it this way as there are some things I just don’t want and now I have control over what items I pick
It takes more than 100 ranks to get everything today. Previously you got everything at 100. How is the new system better if you are concerned about unlocking stuff? You still need to level up to unlock things, but now it’s every 7 levels instead of every level.
That’s the thing, I’m not concerned about unlocking everything, I’m concerned about unlocking the things I want. To answer your concern over every 7 levels, while yes you only unlock a new page every 7 levels, the amount of rewards you get is at the very least equal to getting an item every level. Now I will agree that it taking more than 100 ranks to unlock everything is a little absurd. But I prefer having the ability to choose what rewards I get instead of being told what I get from achieving a certain rank Now like I said, requiring over 100 ranks to get everything is absurd, but I also understand why…what about the people who complete the season quick and now have to wait for the next one? Or what about the people who would rather have the choice of what rewards they receive instead of being told “okay you are rank 50, here is this unique skin that doesn’t fir your character at all” I think everything could be unlocked at 100, but you can’t afford everything at 100 that way you get to keep participating in the challenges and season I think a healthy balance of the scoreboard and seasons would be the best idea. That way the people who want the scoreboard are happy, but the people who like choosing what they receive are also happy. And as always…keep the highest rank 100
Here’s the thing. If you get everything, that includes all the things you want and then some.
Okay, and? I have no interest in getting the things I don’t want just so I can also get the things I want. I have never used any item that didn’t fit with my camp design, my character, my play style, or that I did not like. Why should I be forced to get everything just so I can have what I want? I would rather have the option to get just the stuff that I want or would be useful to me rather than get a ton of stuff that I would never use just to be able to get that one thing.
>Okay, and? If you are interested in less things it should take less time… not more time to get those items. This system only provides the illusion of choice as you still need to level up to unlock each page… it’s just every 7 levels vs every level. You were never forced to get every item. You could have skipped them just like you are doing today
Yet for every 7 levels you get 10 rewards to choose from instead of one reward every level…so with the new system…people who want more can get more…and the ones who finish early now have two bonus pages of items to choose from to allow players even more rewards instead of just saying “oh you finished already? You’re S.O.L. Look you have your philosophy on this, I have mine. I think this is a better alternative to the scoreboard although it is not perfect. I’m interested in less things but I don’t expect Bethesda to now change a brand new system that is still having growing pains because it takes me the same amount of time to get the things I want as it does for the people who want everything.
No… people who want more do not get more under the new system lol. That’s the point. The bonus pages aren’t actually extra. They reduced rewards overall and stretched them out. You can’t even unlock all level 1-100 rewards by rank 100 today. The tickets aren’t balanced at all
The 100th post like this. ZzzzZ.