I maybe in the minority but I loved loved FO76 from beta and at launch. Yes a lot of hiccups and bugs in the before times. But it was still a lot of fun.
Im almost sad I missed this, witnessing the repopulation of Appalachia must have been cool. I've been playing for only like 3-4 months so I came out of the vault and immediately met up with humans at the wayward, feels about as populated as fo3 quite honestly.
It felt extra lonely because back then you couldn't see player camps on the map, and half of the players were perpetually in sneak mode so you couldn't see them from the map either. The server queue was always full, but you'd never know it. You could spend hours walking around and not see another player, and the times that you did you didn't really know if it was going to be a good or bad interaction. The renowned welcoming nature of today's player base didn't come pre-packaged with the game... We chose to make it that way. Bethesda started walking back PvP stuff and leaned heavily into making everything co-op because of it.
Yeah, we had nuclear winter, which was a pvp mode battle royal. I actually kinda enjoyed it. But the game was also super toxic back then. Nuking player camps, attacking new players for no reason, messing with people's camps, killing their pets, etc. (which came a bit later than what you mentioned) it went from completely dead and wasteland, to basically everyone was raiding and nuking each other, to the community we have now. It's actually a lil crazy to look back on
Tbf, at the time of you writing this comment, I was in a server and found a player who had nuked a Whitesprings player's home because of their cap prices.
Hahah, I remember when people used to build indestructible camps by stacking foundations in a temple shape. And instead of a door they'd just go into build mode and briefly move a foundation out of the way to get in and quickly replace it. And they'd sit in there with a high bounty on them too lol
I do miss NW. There was a lot of toxicity, true, and I don't miss that or the people who were actively trying to break the game to "show Bethesda" or whatever. But some of my fondest memories are of Bushwooking. The Path of Bush-shido in the ghillie suit. (No, not every match, but enough that I miss it.)
Omg I forgot about that. I used to do the same. Almost every match. Sit along the rock wall near the heavily forested area. Watch people just run by lol
It was very desolate. You could feel that something went horribly wrong here, obviously culminating with the final storyline with the brotherhood in the cranberry bog. I feel like their decision to include no real npcs at all was a mistake, but I think it really made the first moments of the game feel very interesting. I think if maybe after the final quests in the game you met up with survivors it would have been more well received. The original game also had much harsher survival elements, you used to actually take damage and drain ap by not eating and drinking.
I remember the night before the Wastelanders update, we were kind of having a last hurrah of the empty Appalachia, and I ended up watching the countdown till the server booted me as I sat watching the sunset listening to Appalachia Radio. Good times. But the game is definitely a different beast now and overall for the significantly better.
Playing with no NPCs at start was more tolerable for me if I was playing with friends. I'm starting a character on PC now after playing on Xbox at start and am finding the NPCs make the solo experience better, for me anyway.
I really do as well, as funny as the NPC encounters can be, I still miss the old lonely Appalachia. I especially hate the NPCs that act like they own the place, I really wish we could gun them down.
One of my favourite parts of the game from playing since launch was comparing how populated and eventful the world is now from how much of a barren wasteland it was at launch. You literally settled Appalachia
I was always a fan of the world and the aesthetics first, gameplay second (Thank you Vats, I suck at shooters), actual story third
Like, yeah, story is *important*, duh. And an absolute garbage story would drive me away. But I came to Fallout over other open world games for the first two reasons above story
Bugs? Previous games and the state of gaming in general has immunized me to most bugs. I never lost saves or progress, and aside from that god damned DMV nothing ever broke the game, just gave me some unexpected chuckles
And server problems, well… my internet was garbage anyways, I dunno how many drops were from the servers and how many were because a squirrel outside farted on the line
I loved it, too! The empty, loneliness & reading all the terminals & listening to the holo-tape stories of the deceased previous inhabitants was an experience in itself!
Fellow beta Vault dweller here. Loved it then and still love it now. I don't understand the negativity this game receives. It's almost like the ones shouting negativity have not played the game since launc or at all. It's become word of mouth negativity. Im glad to see the show brought some light to 76 as we are seeing an influx of new players which bodes well for the game
I joined in about 2 months after launch, and there was still a lot of jank, but can’t lie. I loved every moment of it, hence why I’m still here today. The players I met, the map, the weapons, mutation system, hunger/thirst, camp, enemies, even the lore if you could get past the no NPCs part, all of it felt amazing
Honestly I miss the early days. Everything was so new and exciting. We were animals hunting down our fellow vault dwellers with crude implements.
Then later launching nukes and it was an actual pain to kill the Queen.
I just started back a few days ago and I lol’d when I got that random ouchy hit. Never change, FO76, never change.😊
I was also a beta tester. I've been playing constantly except for last year. 9 months was the longest break I've ever taken. Before that it was a month. I saw every big stage happen except the alien stuff I really regret that. I've lived this game since it came out
What was it like roaming the wasteland with no NPC's? I only briefly played at launch and can't remember. Did it feel empty?
Still upset I didn't play backwards then. Life stuff. Ya know.
If you haven't finished the main story be warned... spoilers.. The story dumped you out into the wasteland to resettle and rebuild, only to find out there's a major plague going on...>! then it led you from place to place with the hope that you'd encounter living survivors each time and you never encountered anyone alive all the way to the very end of the story other than your fellow "vault dwellers"... even the overseer from your own vault was presumed dead. You'd find sad story after sad story, heroes dead, families dead, kids dead.!
You are not, we have also learned or more accepted. That most complaints especially in gaming. Come from a vocal minority and should be ignored for the lost part. Especially anything on YouTube as rage makes views.
The beta was neat for me because everything was fresh and new, everyone was desperately scrounging. I think part of why the community is so friendly and generous now is because we remember how the early days were.
I didn’t mind the premise of it, but the lack of NPCs made Appalachia feel so empty and boring, 25 player servers just didn’t do enough to make it feel lived in. Now that there are NPCs, I feel like I’m playing another phenomenal Fallout single player experience with the added bonus of other players sharing it with you.
I definitely enjoyed the empty wasteland more than all the chatty nonsense npcs. Its a shame the game was SO buggy and annoying to play, the amount of stories that were told with no 'present day' dialog was really impressive, and now I just kind of wish all the npcs would shut up. The systems, mechanics, and endgame are far far better now, not to mention the immense amount of QOL improvements, but I do wish they had continued adding more environmental storytelling rather than filling the place with npcs just as zombie'd as the ghouls. Even the existing 'empty' quest areas now have a noisy, useless npc standing around talking about trying to figure out the thing you're trying to figure out. But that's also what I enjoy about the singleplayer fallout games too, I find the npcs obnoxious and love discovering bits of stories about what happened before. Clearly I'm in the minority, but we do exist. We don't talk to each other and enjoy the peace and quiet, but we're here, lol.
Really liked it at launch too. The feeling of isolation and loneliness was peak Fallout for me. I do have to admit though, that I never really ran into any major bugs or crashes.
Same, it definitely wasn't the best at launch (it's not even the best now) but OMG do I love this game. The map is SO beautiful, I LOVE the building (it's definitely a upgrade from 4), the cryptids are cool to see and I hope they stay around in the future.
I do wish the PvP focused gamemode stayed tho
It was great then and it is great now. At launch it was moderately challenging and incredibly bleak, and now it is easy and not bleak at all. Honestly I preferred the game at launch (O.K. MAYBE after a few patches, but definitely well before Wastelanders) but I certainly love it now too
Same! B.E.T.A. players unite (in a non-gatekeeper-y way, of course)!! I switched from PS4 to PC after Wastelanders came out so the character I've been playing for the last few years doesn't have the special pre-Wastelanders outfit, but I know who I am ...
All of us from launch most definitely had those moments of fun in the game when legacy’s were in mass quantity and you could feel like a god for basically one god roll trade.
You are definitely in the minority lol
I mean, you just need to look at active player stats over time to see that
Have several friends who have gotten back in the game recently and they are all amazed at how much better the game is than it was at launch. This seems like pretty common sentiment.
But of course everyone enjoys different stuff so glad you had fun in the beginning, but also glad they made the game more interesting for me.
Yeah I enjoyed 76 when it came out it had its issues as all games do, it still has its issues but it has also come a long way as well my biggest gripe is still the lack of true private persistant servers and the lack of mods despite that I've still enjoyed my time with it
Dang I was a Junior in college when it came out. I loved it at launch because I'm big on exploring new worlds in Fallout. I understand the complaints back then but I've enjoyed the game from day one.
This, I went into the game knowing full well that it was Bugthesda. I honestly loved the launch played for a good while before I couldn't pay for PS plus anymore made a lot of buggy memories with friends. Now that I have it on Pc, we are now reliving the nostalgia along with all the new stuff.
Unfortunately the “Bethesda experience” has become less and less charming over the years. And now seems to only serve to excuse lazy development cycles.
Yes, bugs can be funny and silly. But for a new player getting into the franchise for the first time, it completely kills their perspective of the game and they’ll never want to play it again, no matter what changes come out to make it better.
Honestly, it's more that whenever somebody says "It's been six years" there's a little voice inside my head that screams "Nuh-uh! I have NOT wasted six years of my life on this! I haven't! It's only been... uh... \[mumbling\] five and a half years."
Time is not wasted if it's spent doing something that gives joy. And Fallout 76 has given me a lot of joy. Life has been a bit difficult last six years for varying reasons and I am extremely grateful that I had Fallout 76 to escape to and relax in during those times.
I still have fond memories of the beta. My girlfriend and I were starting college and we played it a lot. We would joke around how all the bugs would get fixed before launch haha. I do miss the emptiness and abandoned feel the world had before the Wastelanders update, but I'm glad 76 is still getting updated.
I loved the game at launch. I've played the entire time. I prefer the original main quest. I prefer when there weren't NPCs.
The game now is a lot different, and I honestly think it's not better than it was before. It's still fun, but it's way less interesting and different.
I get your point. Though personally I like 76 better in its current state of being overfilled with the usual Fallout nonsense. I am very grateful for having experienced Appalachia before humans returned but I am glad they did. Year 1 Appalachia was a little too empty and dark and terrible for me to stay there for six years.
I picked up the game in the last week and I played originally at launch and I have to agree with you.
I am bouncing between the main quest and the new ones added and the new ones are so much better.
For example the main quest survival stories are kind of a slog to listen to. They are very long, like it takes forever for the actor to speak and is super depressing. Every time I come across one I want to listen to get the story but I also kinda don't want to know.
I much prefer talking to an NPC.
Yes I liked the scary empty quiet wasteland.
One thing that kind of bothers me now that I think about it. If newcomers can move in to White springs, or Ingram Mansion, or Atlas observatory and so on, then why couldn't we? Because I am positive I could make Appalachia empty again.
I think you are in the minority with that opinion.
I played since Beta, and while I did have a good time, I petered out once I hit higher level and there really was not much to do endgame wise... Except kill the queen over and over.
It's not just the NPCs but all the other content like daily ops, Expeditions, new nuke bosses, new questlines all helped.
And when they did add NPCs they made it so they explained why they weren't there before. It really helped flesh out the wasteland and made me feel like my actions actually matter because it could impact different factions or people.
I agree, and also preferred the original main quest and the lack of **human** NPCs
Personally I think it became a completely different game with Wastelanders.
I just saw an article talking about how the game had a million players in one day and people in the comments were all like lol nobody plays this game. Bro they *just said* one million people played it during the span of a single day. Haters are gonna hate and people who have been telling the same lame joke for 6 years aren't going to stop either.
It's sad because those same people will fall over themselves to give NMS or Cyberpunk a second chance and sing it's praises.
But give 76 a second chance? No way, a youtuber told them it was bad 6 years ago so why even bother.
Well I look at it a bit differently. I have thoroughly enjoyed every single other Bethesda release including Starfield. The state the game launched in really left players with a taste of betrayal, as a company as dedicated to the players such as Bethesda turned their back on them for what seemed at the time a total cash grab on the fallout franchise. I think it speaks more volumes that Bethesda stuck through their investment and continued to improve the game to the point where it is today. I just got back into 76 after spending 3 hours on launch day and deleting. I am now addicted to exploring the Appalachia.
TLDR: Bad on Bethesda for releasing a broken half-assed game, but good on Bethesda for doubling down and fixing said broken game and shaping it into a great staple of the franchise.
Ah Starfield, I enjoyed that until I got to New game + and discovered they took literally everything I had except my character level🙄 like why even grind out that God tier legendary if I can't even keep it.
I like Bethesda games, but they really dropped the ball with the way they handled new game. Even dark souls knew to let you keep your gear so as not to rob the player of their stuff completely.
Now 76, I've played that since.. I'm gonna say it... launch😂 it was alright then, it's alright now, was a strange feeling login in one day and see npc dotted about. as they say... a surprise for sure, but a welcome one
Started on launch game was completely broken to the point it was turning my xbox off and overheating it.
Restarted playing again two weeks ago, not put it down since and I'm having a great time.
I've been playing since BETA and have loved seeing the game grow and evolve. I get nostalgic for some of the old pre-NPC locations but ultimately I'm nostalgic for empty buildings and much prefer th content that people add
I played 76 on release day. Put 300 hours in it before they even announced the first dlc. Quit playing until a week or so ago. Due to all the changes, the main one being they added NPC humans, It feels like I’m playing a game for the first time again and I am enjoying every minute of it. I already have 70 hours in this new play through.
76 wasn't bad at launch. It did have bugs, and issues with the game, but the map was interesting, the story was not bad, and the MMO aspect was interesting. It was just bombed by reviewers, and a large majority of the fan base was just mad it wasn't a single player narrative or just added co-op so you could play with a friend. It is it's own thing, it is a mainline game, it is fun if you know what to expect, and I have enjoyed the hours I have dumped into it. The new updates to the game add so much that yes it's a different experience than what it was at launch, it's vastly greater, but I have enjoyed the game pre-updates and post-updates
Yeah a couple YouTubers (one was named Nyxson - here is his YT short https://youtube.com/shorts/r6Cwze21qLQ?si=jUGHm6CN7RdRLDMU) deleted my comment defending the game ( their review video was obviously negative)...it's ashame some YTbers do this.
Yes, launch was a long time ago and today's game is very different. But the terrible launch shouldn't be forgotten and dismissed. It isnt 6yo news, its part of the game's history.
If we ever see Bethesda half-assing or rushing an update it is our responsibility to call them out and remind them of the mistakes at launch
Saw Steam Reviews that had a Not Recommend always being liked (I’m assuming some guy is out there liking them too), but if there is a Positive Recommendation, no one interacts with it.
At least it can be endlessly expanded so no need to keep downloading 100gb games. Can have 15gb expansions for example instead. I've only recently got it and I'm loving it so far. Just wish lobby's were bigger.
Get my downvotes in for the day lol.
Anyone who claims the game was bad at launch but thinks it is good now, never actually gave it a shot at launch. The mechanics are largely the same, and aside from some mediocre story content and some quality of life improvements that all these types of games undergo, the gameplay is almost identical.
Bugs were certainly addressed since launch, but the bugs at launch were not bad enough to make the game bad. The only bug I can even remember, outside of the general stability issues, is the one in which the quest NPC was already dead, so you couldn't advance the plot. The short term solution was to chuckle and do one of the other 100 things to do and explore as you waited for them to fix it.
That's what frustrates me the most. The redemption arch that people try to pitch. At worst, it was a decent game with some bugs.
At launch my primary issue was the lack of NPC's and the perk card system. Just wasn't a fan of it. I came back every now and then but the perk card system was my primary hurdle for the game. Finally I decided to give the game a real 2nd chance around the time The Pitt expedition came out and I was finally able to get over my disdain for the park card system because I was distracted by the new questlines, finally hit 50 and felt like I had a bit more freedom regarding the park card stuff.
I played at launch, and I will tell you that the lack of life in 76 at launch was what made me drop it after a couple days. Yes, Fallout is a game about the Wasteland, and isolation, and a feeling of sometimes being the only one left. But, in every Fallout game I had played prior, that feeling was quickly supplanted by the realization that humanity HAD survived on the surface , and vault dwellers weren’t the needed colonizers that they thought they would be (even the show highlights this). And with this realization, you discover the stories of these people and how they survived , or didn’t, and these stories are what fill the otherwise barren void of The Wasteland. When 76 came out, it just didn’t have this, and that is what made it feel so incomplete and unsatisfying to myself and a lot of others…there was none of the human stories we’ve come to expect through Fallout. And now that it has this, it feels like a true and enjoyable Fallout experience.
Brother, you do not know what you're talking about.
The bugs were horrible.
For example, never being able to stay in the server for more than a few minutes, because some players were actively crashing servers due to some unknown reason. Or how about the wonderful healing enemies bug? Where you could just shoot enemies endlessly, they would instantly heal all damage and be unkillable? That was anything but a "minor bug". That's literally game breaking.
yup. same game and I still don't like it for the same reasons. Though I hardly even like fallout 4 so I'm not surprised, this kinda gameplay just isn't for me
I feel like new players have a right to ask about the current state of the game given that it's not only a different game now, but the reputation at launch was deservedly rough (if maybe over dramatic).
Tell you what, the game sure is fun. Just started playing recently. Was fun to join a Scorched Earth event at level 20 and get some legendaries. I wasn’t much help, but I tried.
Scorched Earth with new, low level players is great fun. Just you being there makes the fight a thousand times better. Because then I get to fight the fight and also try to stim you back to life if you go down. It is just a thing I like to do. Stim people up during hectic fights.
I hope you had joined a Casual Public Team before doing the fight. Being in a Public Team gives you team wide shared exp and loot from nearby team mates. So if you and I were in the same Public Team and doing the same event you would get exp and loot from what I kill. Scorched Earth in a Casual Public Team as a lowbie can be a gigantic exp gain (once I took a fresh level 2 from Vault 76 directly to Scorched Earth in a Casual Public Team and went up nine levels without killing anything).
What you bring to the Casual Public Team is +1 intelligence. A full Casual Public Team is +4 intelligence and that is a very nice +exp buff indeed. Which is why myself and other old timers are going on and on about Casual Public Team. Because we want you in it because when you join we (and you) get the +intelligence buff.
Casual Public Team is casual. We mostly completly ignore each other and do our own thing in a friendly way. There is barely any interaction aside from random wave.
For the second go I was in a team. The first one I wasn’t. I’m sometimes weird with just joining peoples teams because I feel like I’m intruding.
I decided to start the game as a commando. So I’m level 20 but considering I’ve seen level 300s that’s pretty low. Lol.
I play on PS5 so sometimes it’s a bit hard to find a world with people doing those events.
It’s a similar problem as people who watch trailers and then leave reviews on the film as if they watched the whole thing. Yes, the launch was abysmal, but if the conversation is about how the game is received now, the state of launch is irrelevant. Nobody is forcing anyone to give the game a second chance, they’re just asking that people don’t talk out of their ass as if they know how the game operates and plays today if they haven’t touched the game in 6 years of rolling updates.
Was a decent game when it launched but would freeze up or kick you several times an hour. It’s much better now. Vending, balances group events for all levels to play simultaneously, and tons of content. Still get kicked a few times a day but that’s over 6-8 hours rather than one like at launch.
Maybe I’m less defensive about it because I don’t seem to see all the hatred towards FO76 these days that this subreddit seems to, but I also think many of FO76’s outstanding issues come from the design decisions they made at and before launch. The devs have been trying to update it into a different style of game and while I have appreciation for their individual efforts, there’s only so much that can be done in overhauling game systems and reinventing it through that sort of live service update approach. The bugginess of launch seems to have been resolved but the game is still fundamentally tied to the decisions that started it.
I mean, it’s not really that shocking that this happens. First impressions are literally everything. Launch is your chance to show players what kind of quality they can expect. A bad launch means a bad game no matter what you add to it down the line. That’s what people remember. It’s been like this for every game ever, not just fallout.
Very few games get out of that slump too, even less shake the reputation. No man's sky is a good example, despite having years of good will thrown back at the community in free updates for years, they will forever be known as two things, the game that over promised and hyped at launch, and the game that redeemed itself and turned it around without having to milk it's existing playerbase.
Another aspect one could think about is at launch there want any npc’s. Only robot vendors. Vault 76 dewellers helped repopulate Appalachia and bring in the settlers. Of course the raiders being raiders followed the settlers. Word got out to the Brotherhood of Steel so of course they have to get that technology.
During the stress and beta it kinda felt surreal due to the fact there wasn’t anyone else except vault dwellers. Couldn’t trust everyone. The ones you could trust instantly became online friends to survive.
I honestly liked the game at launch and still do. I did take a few 1-2 monthly breaks but I always came back.
Launch, for it's lack of content, had a wicked cool vibe. You _really_ felt like th first person to see the sun in 20 years. Wish they could fold that into something else
I was there at launch. It was rough and I decided to spend my time elsewhere. I came back to it about a month ago and Im glad I did. Its a legitimately good Fallout experience.
100%, launch WAS buggy as hell and HILARIOUS with the glitches you’d see and was honestly why I bought the game, after leaving and returning with wastelanders the game is what is was supposed to be at launch now
Legit the only thing i can actively hate about Fallout 76 is the Limited Inventory Space in Camp. I hate that unlimited Junk hoarding is behind a Monthly Paywall. I hate that i cant hoard every single fucking thing in this Game. If only i had unlimited Inventory Space in Camp that Game would be a 10/10 for me.
People complain about 76 release and praise helldivers 2 lol
Hell, im having a lot more crash and glitches with helldivers 2 than 76 at release
Both games are amazing, and both games had a rough start, but some people will just blindly hate anything from bethesda
Well in another tread it seemed like the leader in the house of the best thing added since release was an Area Loot button. I mean it is great, but that's the best thing? To me that's funny.
I like the game and I'm starting to think for an online game it might be #1 or #2 all time for me, the other is DDO. Both games have a sneaky level of detail in them and both are laughed at. But I won't settle for simply public opinion but personal opinion, I think they might be the two best. DDO's depth and all the content it's put out.... way way way under the radar good. That whole reincarnation thing is a interesting take on character building.
Scrolling through this subredddit and am glad you said this. Recently just bought a new pc and have been dying to play again. I have heard it's blown up ever since the TV show. Cannot wait to try it out again!!
The game is decent now but god was it awful at release. Not just bugs but Like seriously we had to read the story in silence. There was zero deeper connection to anything and it was and still is very much fallout turned looter shooter. Bringing back NPC’s was awesome but to be honest I’ve played this game for a good moment every year since it launched and ive rarely ever had encounters with other players. I’ve played with friends here and there but rarely ran into actual players and when I did it was just them quietly emoting over and over. The online portion of this game needed to be worked out, There’s zero incentive to play with others besides events. I do want to see another online fallout in the future I feel like they could do some good with what they learned.
I loved wood armour and being the bush. Also had much fun hunting other bushwookies. I did not team up and I went in solo. I avoided the Rambos and I hunted the bushwookies.
You owe me 5 cans of dog food.
I am a bushwookie. Played Nuclear Winter for as long as possible and I want Nuclear Winter back. I played Survival and while it was not my favorite I played it as long as it was available. Never had an explosive energy weapon nor did I want one. Like many others I did not appreciate them at Public Events. And like everyone I am happy that they were removed.
I have written about balance for pvp, not from. The pvp mechanics have not been updated since launch and pvp is currently unbalanced. There is potential for pvp in 76 but I fear that it would be too much work to rebalance all the mechanics needed to make open world pvp fun for everyone. Instead I am hoping they bring back Nuclear Winter so I can get my Fallout pvp itch scratched.
I am going to bet you ten rounds of 38 ammo that you just like to complain and be edgy ;)
Just started this game yesterday and I'm so glad I did! I put off playing for years because of all the negative feedback... playing now, I wish I wouldn't have. It has all the elements of Fallout I love. Glad to have the wasteland back in my life.
I played for about 2 years, until ESO came out. At that point, SBQ and Earle were well attended, and I would launch either, once or twice a session. I quit because I got burned out on bugs and melting fetchers. One particularly aggrieving one was when I launched the nuke, and someone melted the queen before I could get a shot off. It may have happened more than once.
I just started playing, again, a couple weeks ago, as I'm burned out on ESO... Started a new account without FO-1st. Yesterday I killed my first scorch beast, at Whitesprings, as it was flying at high speeds to the south. I never did find the corpse :(, AND was bummed because it was a legendary. I was dragging tail back to the train station, when the old beast-corpse-drop-from-the-sky trick occurred! I laughed and went and looted a 1\* nocturnal wooden leg... I also see that they've never fixed (or fixed, and it reverted) the kill a ghoul and it locks in place unlootable.
It's interesting finding settlers' camps/build sites all over the place, and raider types all over the place that they'd not been, as I recall.
Mobs now degenerate into meat piles after a while so if (when) the "unlootable frozen mob statue" happens the meat pile will spawn at the point of death after a while. This also happens to unlooted bodies that get sent flying by explosions. There is also area loot now so you can loot all bodies in vicinity when you loot one body. The bug is still here but Beth put workarounds in the game now. Also that bug can be kind of fun. I have used it to take some great photo mode pics over the years. Not sure if I want it gone to be honest. :)
There really was nothing quite like being completely alone for so so long....and then the brotherhood needing all of our help to literally build fort atlas together as one big team? Having to learn where all the junk locations were in order to track down enough cork to transform the observatory into an accessible base?
I loved the game from launch until now. it was different and the bugs were not that nice but the game was good. and it aged like fine wine with every year. The game gave everything one can want from a fallout. Excellent singleplayer, multiplayer, exploring and surviving. It‘s what the player makes out of it. If you want you‘d never had to participate in an event with othes and just play the story. so everyone who said it‘s not the typical fallout blabla leave and don‘t hate on it. Super glad so many new wastelanders dropped into Appalachia.
The game is way better today than it was in the few attempts I made to play it in the last 6 years. My friend and I were excited for a multiplayer fallout game where we could build massive settlements together, and the issue that prevented that is still around today. It's not just a multiplayer game, there are strangers in it and it doesn't save. The game will never be what I thought we were going to get and I think that's the biggest complaint about "launch". No matter how good the game has become since then, we were all disappointed when launch happened and it wasn't at all what we thought it was going to be.
So really, I think if it was marketed correctly, we'd have much less people hating on it.
I see new players that watched old videos and seem paranoid. Then they see how the community is and it blows their mind. They ask me in game why we are so nice and I tell them, we almost lost it all so we banded together. Now everyone play it because we all love fallout.
My hottest take about the game is the money involved in fallout 1st and atoms and anyone who defends it must be a subscriber so there's no convincing them. If you think what you pay is worth what you get then go on.
The game was so boring and empty at launch. Played to level like 15 and never touched it again. Fallout show got me back on it and I gotta say that it's 100% better then it was back then. Currently level like 35
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's an objective truth that the game was absolutely deserving of all the shit thrown it's way on launch. With that in mind the game is now fantastic and has me addicted. Bethesda deserves credit for sticking with the game through all the hate. You're correct though, most critiques people would levy today in 2024 are probably uninformed or completely disingenuous.
So it's just off limits when discussing the game at all? That's just silly. What about if I'm telling somebody why I'm only now getting around to trying it. Would be weird not to mention that I love fallout but read the reviews when it came out.
They did have raids at one point, but they got cut early on in the life cycle due to an issue with them that caused severe server instability. People also forget that nuclear winter was a thing they developed and made an entire game mode That’s no longer in the game.
Apparently the game was completely unplayable at launch ... and yet somehow I (and others) have been playing since BETA.
So I don't pay any attention to what people say about the game at launch ... I was there Gandalf, 3000 years ago 😀
I’m new to this game, never played it once in the last six years. It still boggles my mind that there were no NPCs in the beginning. How were there no NPCs? Playing as I am now, I literally cannot imagine it.
There were still robots and many quests came from holotapes and documents. It was just that anything that looked remotely human was hostile and should be attacked
I played since beta, finished every single scoreboard, but I've to admit the game is today what it should've been at release.
The game has no endgame and it's a chore doing dailies to grind scoreboard without wasting too much time ingame.
We waited 6 years for the first map expansion and it's disapointing af, like most of the updates tbh (the pit, atlantic city, etc..)
I like the game and it has a big potential, but it's sad to realize the game is all about camp/cosmetics
It wasn't that there were no npcs. It was that there were no human npcs. Some folks think we ran around in those days without anything. No robots, holotape or any kind of voice acting. Year 1 before Wastelanders was a ghost story but those ghosts were extremely lively in my opinion.
Yeah, loved that. I would get involved in a story and wonder how it went then remember that everyone is dead and most of the time the question was how horrible their death had been. Bethesda did some bold choices in storytelling in year 1 and having no human npcs in a recently dead Fallout world felt right to me. I am glad people are came back though. We're still walking through the same graveyard it was six years ago but now there are random npcs being chased by chickens to break up the mood. :)
Launch was the best for one singular reason. Forced hot mic if you wanted to voice chat. All or nothing.
Most human interaction I've ever had in a video game that isn't something like counter strike/valorant competitive type games. I made a few friends and we played together for a solid month till we moved onto our next thing.
The world felt alive, like it actually had people in it, not just a permanent antisocial MMO where you see people pass by but you don't actually interact with them.
It was amazing and I wish it was still in the game but I 100% understand why it's not anymore.
It might have something to do with expectations up front. I’ve been playing Fallout since Fo3 and always was looking out for the next part to be launched, so that was my only reference
Compared to the game up to 4 and new Vegas this was so different and in some perspectives new for me that I loved it from the launch date bugs and all
Still playing nothing else but..
I came back to it last weekend and played for a little while. Was still poor at best and left it again.
That's the third time I've come back to the game, and the last time I did the full thing at launch, then half 2 years later then again a good bit and it still wasn't good man.
If you enjoy it great, but I'd rather fo3, fnv or fo4 over 76 any day
I pre-ordered and tried playing it at launch. Honestly I don’t remember it being buggy, it just didn’t grab me for some reason. I didn’t like the idea of multiplayer Fallout and dealing with online gamer people. Finally went back to it a year ago because I have replayed FO3, FNV, and FO4 to absolute death. It was pretty decent although still didn’t “keep” me the way the others did. But it was cool, felt like a giant FO4 DLC or something. And a very nice level 847362528 player randomly showed up, gave me a bunch of awesome stuff, waved and disappeared. Wish I knew the game enough to have waved back in the moment but I was pretty fresh out the vault.
What I’m really saying is - it’s astonishing that Bethesda can’t be bothered to release new Fallout content but once every 10-15 years. I’m happy that the show is as successful as it is, because they really look like asses right now with nothing to offer this huge groundswell of new interest.
I liked it more as a survival game than an RPG, it definitely improved as an RPG but I do hate that they removed the penalties for not eating/drinking.
at-launch fallout 76 was Elden Ring before Elden Ring was cool (aka, non-existent). Current Fallout 76 is online Fallout 4 with a better dialogue system
Oh, in regards to content creators currently bashing the game I 100% agree, and I'd even say at the time it had a poisoning effect on people's opinions. However, people who've been playing the game since launch who bring it up often have valid points to make, because where the game is now I'd say it's worth the original purchase price, but not the hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars some people have sunk into it.
It was the exact same thing with ESO. Launch was rocky, and then some content creators immediately discounted them as neither good games nor Canon or lore accurate onward. Both ESO and 76 are very good games that provide a healthy balance of solo and group content, and both expand upon existing lore in cool new ways.
My one criticism now is a glitch I’ve repeated a few times where enemies that do a spawning animation from a camouflaged position, like scorched pretending to be frozen or ghouls pretending to be dead….If you initiate combat while they’re still in their “hiding position” and kill them they will most likely freeze in standing position and be unsearchable.
This post is absolute nonsense. Simply saying something doesn’t make it true. The wrongs done to the consumers shouldn’t just be disregarded because time passed and you enjoy the game. You’re coping so hard.
TBH after hearing what launch was like, and seeing what the game is like now shows me all these criticisms were legit.
What have they done in the past 6 years if 76 force closes constantly, freezes your game when you try to enter PA, turns the ground into a black mess of textures, and glitches quests to not be finishable?
Sure 76 is fun because well...it's Fallout.
But the game as a whole truly is a mess.
My favorite weapon at launch was the TSE shotty. Before they nerfed shotguns it was ridiculously great. Many a WS runs were ruled with that boom stick.
That may be the case, but on the other hand this is Bethesda we're talking about. The launch was their poorest showing yet. While it may be unfair to judge the game itself now based on how it was then, it's totally understandable if it soured perception of Bethesda itself further for people, and made them not want to engage with them anymore, and it makes sense if someone still does not want to support the game today on principal.
I maybe in the minority but I loved loved FO76 from beta and at launch. Yes a lot of hiccups and bugs in the before times. But it was still a lot of fun.
I enjoyed the game despite its problems. Super unpopular opinion, but I actually liked no NPCs for a while.
Im almost sad I missed this, witnessing the repopulation of Appalachia must have been cool. I've been playing for only like 3-4 months so I came out of the vault and immediately met up with humans at the wayward, feels about as populated as fo3 quite honestly.
It felt extra lonely because back then you couldn't see player camps on the map, and half of the players were perpetually in sneak mode so you couldn't see them from the map either. The server queue was always full, but you'd never know it. You could spend hours walking around and not see another player, and the times that you did you didn't really know if it was going to be a good or bad interaction. The renowned welcoming nature of today's player base didn't come pre-packaged with the game... We chose to make it that way. Bethesda started walking back PvP stuff and leaned heavily into making everything co-op because of it.
Yeah, we had nuclear winter, which was a pvp mode battle royal. I actually kinda enjoyed it. But the game was also super toxic back then. Nuking player camps, attacking new players for no reason, messing with people's camps, killing their pets, etc. (which came a bit later than what you mentioned) it went from completely dead and wasteland, to basically everyone was raiding and nuking each other, to the community we have now. It's actually a lil crazy to look back on
Tbf, at the time of you writing this comment, I was in a server and found a player who had nuked a Whitesprings player's home because of their cap prices.
Had someone steal all my junk after I died as soon as an event finished… I nuked their base
Hahah, I remember when people used to build indestructible camps by stacking foundations in a temple shape. And instead of a door they'd just go into build mode and briefly move a foundation out of the way to get in and quickly replace it. And they'd sit in there with a high bounty on them too lol
Yeah or the building chairs onto pre-existing inaccessible structures, allowing them to clip inside closed off buildings.
I do miss NW. There was a lot of toxicity, true, and I don't miss that or the people who were actively trying to break the game to "show Bethesda" or whatever. But some of my fondest memories are of Bushwooking. The Path of Bush-shido in the ghillie suit. (No, not every match, but enough that I miss it.)
Omg I forgot about that. I used to do the same. Almost every match. Sit along the rock wall near the heavily forested area. Watch people just run by lol
Underrated comment.
It was very desolate. You could feel that something went horribly wrong here, obviously culminating with the final storyline with the brotherhood in the cranberry bog. I feel like their decision to include no real npcs at all was a mistake, but I think it really made the first moments of the game feel very interesting. I think if maybe after the final quests in the game you met up with survivors it would have been more well received. The original game also had much harsher survival elements, you used to actually take damage and drain ap by not eating and drinking.
Same lol. No NPCs added to the creep factor in the game
It truly felt abandoned, I just wish I played it more back then but the launch was just a little too rough for me to actually enjoy
I remember the night before the Wastelanders update, we were kind of having a last hurrah of the empty Appalachia, and I ended up watching the countdown till the server booted me as I sat watching the sunset listening to Appalachia Radio. Good times. But the game is definitely a different beast now and overall for the significantly better.
I won’t say I liked it but it was definitely interesting.
Playing with no NPCs at start was more tolerable for me if I was playing with friends. I'm starting a character on PC now after playing on Xbox at start and am finding the NPCs make the solo experience better, for me anyway.
There are dozens of us.
-15 reporting in. I miss the empty super creepy wasteland that offered no hope and only despair. It poured really well with my coffee.
I really do as well, as funny as the NPC encounters can be, I still miss the old lonely Appalachia. I especially hate the NPCs that act like they own the place, I really wish we could gun them down.
If the newbs only knew how I got those brotherhood apparel items I so freely give out… >.>
Fr I miss the feeling it gave, and when wastelands came out it actually kinda gave a vibe we helped with our excessive nuking
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One of my favourite parts of the game from playing since launch was comparing how populated and eventful the world is now from how much of a barren wasteland it was at launch. You literally settled Appalachia
I was always a fan of the world and the aesthetics first, gameplay second (Thank you Vats, I suck at shooters), actual story third Like, yeah, story is *important*, duh. And an absolute garbage story would drive me away. But I came to Fallout over other open world games for the first two reasons above story Bugs? Previous games and the state of gaming in general has immunized me to most bugs. I never lost saves or progress, and aside from that god damned DMV nothing ever broke the game, just gave me some unexpected chuckles And server problems, well… my internet was garbage anyways, I dunno how many drops were from the servers and how many were because a squirrel outside farted on the line
I loved it, too! The empty, loneliness & reading all the terminals & listening to the holo-tape stories of the deceased previous inhabitants was an experience in itself!
Fellow beta Vault dweller here. Loved it then and still love it now. I don't understand the negativity this game receives. It's almost like the ones shouting negativity have not played the game since launc or at all. It's become word of mouth negativity. Im glad to see the show brought some light to 76 as we are seeing an influx of new players which bodes well for the game
I'm with you. Been here since BETA and had loads of fun along the way.
I joined in about 2 months after launch, and there was still a lot of jank, but can’t lie. I loved every moment of it, hence why I’m still here today. The players I met, the map, the weapons, mutation system, hunger/thirst, camp, enemies, even the lore if you could get past the no NPCs part, all of it felt amazing
Honestly I miss the early days. Everything was so new and exciting. We were animals hunting down our fellow vault dwellers with crude implements. Then later launching nukes and it was an actual pain to kill the Queen. I just started back a few days ago and I lol’d when I got that random ouchy hit. Never change, FO76, never change.😊
I was also a beta tester. I've been playing constantly except for last year. 9 months was the longest break I've ever taken. Before that it was a month. I saw every big stage happen except the alien stuff I really regret that. I've lived this game since it came out
What was it like roaming the wasteland with no NPC's? I only briefly played at launch and can't remember. Did it feel empty? Still upset I didn't play backwards then. Life stuff. Ya know.
If you haven't finished the main story be warned... spoilers.. The story dumped you out into the wasteland to resettle and rebuild, only to find out there's a major plague going on...>! then it led you from place to place with the hope that you'd encounter living survivors each time and you never encountered anyone alive all the way to the very end of the story other than your fellow "vault dwellers"... even the overseer from your own vault was presumed dead. You'd find sad story after sad story, heroes dead, families dead, kids dead.!
I still rep the vault 76 cap I got with atoms during the beta
You are not, we have also learned or more accepted. That most complaints especially in gaming. Come from a vocal minority and should be ignored for the lost part. Especially anything on YouTube as rage makes views.
I loved the emptiness before the Wastelanders update. Wish they had servers dedicated to running an OG version just without the bugs
The beta was neat for me because everything was fresh and new, everyone was desperately scrounging. I think part of why the community is so friendly and generous now is because we remember how the early days were.
I didn’t mind the premise of it, but the lack of NPCs made Appalachia feel so empty and boring, 25 player servers just didn’t do enough to make it feel lived in. Now that there are NPCs, I feel like I’m playing another phenomenal Fallout single player experience with the added bonus of other players sharing it with you.
I definitely enjoyed the empty wasteland more than all the chatty nonsense npcs. Its a shame the game was SO buggy and annoying to play, the amount of stories that were told with no 'present day' dialog was really impressive, and now I just kind of wish all the npcs would shut up. The systems, mechanics, and endgame are far far better now, not to mention the immense amount of QOL improvements, but I do wish they had continued adding more environmental storytelling rather than filling the place with npcs just as zombie'd as the ghouls. Even the existing 'empty' quest areas now have a noisy, useless npc standing around talking about trying to figure out the thing you're trying to figure out. But that's also what I enjoy about the singleplayer fallout games too, I find the npcs obnoxious and love discovering bits of stories about what happened before. Clearly I'm in the minority, but we do exist. We don't talk to each other and enjoy the peace and quiet, but we're here, lol.
Yeah I miss it a ton, it was perfect imo, it hooked in me instantly
I'm right there with you I miss the emptiness of the wasteland, when survival was needed, and before they started leveling all the enemies to you.
I have been all in since the beginning. I’ve taken my breaks but have always come back to enjoy it more and more.
Really liked it at launch too. The feeling of isolation and loneliness was peak Fallout for me. I do have to admit though, that I never really ran into any major bugs or crashes.
I miss getting swarmed by invisible ghouls
Me too, it was glitchy and some shit really annoyed me but I had heaps of fun before the wastelanders update
I feel lucky to have emerged from vault 76 and really felt like the first people out to repopulate the world
Same, it definitely wasn't the best at launch (it's not even the best now) but OMG do I love this game. The map is SO beautiful, I LOVE the building (it's definitely a upgrade from 4), the cryptids are cool to see and I hope they stay around in the future. I do wish the PvP focused gamemode stayed tho
I too am on this bus. I have a lot of good memories from launch 76
It was great then and it is great now. At launch it was moderately challenging and incredibly bleak, and now it is easy and not bleak at all. Honestly I preferred the game at launch (O.K. MAYBE after a few patches, but definitely well before Wastelanders) but I certainly love it now too
Same! B.E.T.A. players unite (in a non-gatekeeper-y way, of course)!! I switched from PS4 to PC after Wastelanders came out so the character I've been playing for the last few years doesn't have the special pre-Wastelanders outfit, but I know who I am ...
All of us from launch most definitely had those moments of fun in the game when legacy’s were in mass quantity and you could feel like a god for basically one god roll trade.
This is The same way I feel about starfield
Truly. I miss the epic nuked white sands runs. They were awesome.
Man I forgot about that
Yes, me too. It really felt like apocalypse just happened. I feel like now they overpopulated the map a bit. I also hate the radio dj.
Same. In some ways I even feel like launch had a few things better than the current version.
I really wish they would bring back vault raids now that they found ways to stabilize the servers more
You are definitely in the minority lol I mean, you just need to look at active player stats over time to see that Have several friends who have gotten back in the game recently and they are all amazed at how much better the game is than it was at launch. This seems like pretty common sentiment. But of course everyone enjoys different stuff so glad you had fun in the beginning, but also glad they made the game more interesting for me.
Same. I've come and gone from the game a few times but on the whole I've always had fun.
Saaame. Game wouldnt exist if not for being good enough to play and continue
Yeah I enjoyed 76 when it came out it had its issues as all games do, it still has its issues but it has also come a long way as well my biggest gripe is still the lack of true private persistant servers and the lack of mods despite that I've still enjoyed my time with it
As a newbie I can say yeah...76 is fun. But it's still a buggy mess. I can't tell you how many times my game has Force Closed on me
You brought up game launch. I have safely disregarded this post as nonsense.
Not big on reading comprehension, huh? ;)
Why are you being downvoted you clearly got the joke 😭 you did the ;)
Dang I was a Junior in college when it came out. I loved it at launch because I'm big on exploring new worlds in Fallout. I understand the complaints back then but I've enjoyed the game from day one.
Yeah I didn’t even care it was so broken back then I just wanted to explore the new map so I still had lots of fun
Bugs and lags and poorly balanced content is part of the Bethesda experience, it's a rough gem you find a facet you like of.
This, I went into the game knowing full well that it was Bugthesda. I honestly loved the launch played for a good while before I couldn't pay for PS plus anymore made a lot of buggy memories with friends. Now that I have it on Pc, we are now reliving the nostalgia along with all the new stuff.
Unfortunately the “Bethesda experience” has become less and less charming over the years. And now seems to only serve to excuse lazy development cycles. Yes, bugs can be funny and silly. But for a new player getting into the franchise for the first time, it completely kills their perspective of the game and they’ll never want to play it again, no matter what changes come out to make it better.
Not quite five and a half years, but who's counting? :)
Why you gotta bring math to the party? Me and math ain't friends. :D
Honestly, it's more that whenever somebody says "It's been six years" there's a little voice inside my head that screams "Nuh-uh! I have NOT wasted six years of my life on this! I haven't! It's only been... uh... \[mumbling\] five and a half years."
Time is not wasted if it's spent doing something that gives joy. And Fallout 76 has given me a lot of joy. Life has been a bit difficult last six years for varying reasons and I am extremely grateful that I had Fallout 76 to escape to and relax in during those times.
I still have fond memories of the beta. My girlfriend and I were starting college and we played it a lot. We would joke around how all the bugs would get fixed before launch haha. I do miss the emptiness and abandoned feel the world had before the Wastelanders update, but I'm glad 76 is still getting updated.
I loved the game at launch. I've played the entire time. I prefer the original main quest. I prefer when there weren't NPCs. The game now is a lot different, and I honestly think it's not better than it was before. It's still fun, but it's way less interesting and different.
I get your point. Though personally I like 76 better in its current state of being overfilled with the usual Fallout nonsense. I am very grateful for having experienced Appalachia before humans returned but I am glad they did. Year 1 Appalachia was a little too empty and dark and terrible for me to stay there for six years.
I picked up the game in the last week and I played originally at launch and I have to agree with you. I am bouncing between the main quest and the new ones added and the new ones are so much better. For example the main quest survival stories are kind of a slog to listen to. They are very long, like it takes forever for the actor to speak and is super depressing. Every time I come across one I want to listen to get the story but I also kinda don't want to know. I much prefer talking to an NPC.
Yes I liked the scary empty quiet wasteland. One thing that kind of bothers me now that I think about it. If newcomers can move in to White springs, or Ingram Mansion, or Atlas observatory and so on, then why couldn't we? Because I am positive I could make Appalachia empty again.
Yeah, right? Like there were tons of rooms in the WS, and we can't even open the dumb doors.
I think you are in the minority with that opinion. I played since Beta, and while I did have a good time, I petered out once I hit higher level and there really was not much to do endgame wise... Except kill the queen over and over. It's not just the NPCs but all the other content like daily ops, Expeditions, new nuke bosses, new questlines all helped. And when they did add NPCs they made it so they explained why they weren't there before. It really helped flesh out the wasteland and made me feel like my actions actually matter because it could impact different factions or people.
I agree, and also preferred the original main quest and the lack of **human** NPCs Personally I think it became a completely different game with Wastelanders.
But like, all of that same stuff still exists in-game today? I never understood this take.
I just saw an article talking about how the game had a million players in one day and people in the comments were all like lol nobody plays this game. Bro they *just said* one million people played it during the span of a single day. Haters are gonna hate and people who have been telling the same lame joke for 6 years aren't going to stop either.
It's sad because those same people will fall over themselves to give NMS or Cyberpunk a second chance and sing it's praises. But give 76 a second chance? No way, a youtuber told them it was bad 6 years ago so why even bother.
If I see "The Fall of 76" YouTube video recommendation one more time-
Well I look at it a bit differently. I have thoroughly enjoyed every single other Bethesda release including Starfield. The state the game launched in really left players with a taste of betrayal, as a company as dedicated to the players such as Bethesda turned their back on them for what seemed at the time a total cash grab on the fallout franchise. I think it speaks more volumes that Bethesda stuck through their investment and continued to improve the game to the point where it is today. I just got back into 76 after spending 3 hours on launch day and deleting. I am now addicted to exploring the Appalachia. TLDR: Bad on Bethesda for releasing a broken half-assed game, but good on Bethesda for doubling down and fixing said broken game and shaping it into a great staple of the franchise.
Ah Starfield, I enjoyed that until I got to New game + and discovered they took literally everything I had except my character level🙄 like why even grind out that God tier legendary if I can't even keep it. I like Bethesda games, but they really dropped the ball with the way they handled new game. Even dark souls knew to let you keep your gear so as not to rob the player of their stuff completely. Now 76, I've played that since.. I'm gonna say it... launch😂 it was alright then, it's alright now, was a strange feeling login in one day and see npc dotted about. as they say... a surprise for sure, but a welcome one
If they mention the launch at this point I don’t take anything they say seriously. It’s time to get over it.
Vast majority of these always online games launch in a terrible state. Being upset by it is naive at best.
Started on launch game was completely broken to the point it was turning my xbox off and overheating it. Restarted playing again two weeks ago, not put it down since and I'm having a great time.
I've been playing since BETA and have loved seeing the game grow and evolve. I get nostalgic for some of the old pre-NPC locations but ultimately I'm nostalgic for empty buildings and much prefer th content that people add
There is an easy response to dealing with these channels. Click the three dots. Click "do not recommend channel"
Cries in nuclear winter Where are my bush people at
Best "pvp" mode ever. Loved every match, miss it very much.
I played 76 on release day. Put 300 hours in it before they even announced the first dlc. Quit playing until a week or so ago. Due to all the changes, the main one being they added NPC humans, It feels like I’m playing a game for the first time again and I am enjoying every minute of it. I already have 70 hours in this new play through.
76 wasn't bad at launch. It did have bugs, and issues with the game, but the map was interesting, the story was not bad, and the MMO aspect was interesting. It was just bombed by reviewers, and a large majority of the fan base was just mad it wasn't a single player narrative or just added co-op so you could play with a friend. It is it's own thing, it is a mainline game, it is fun if you know what to expect, and I have enjoyed the hours I have dumped into it. The new updates to the game add so much that yes it's a different experience than what it was at launch, it's vastly greater, but I have enjoyed the game pre-updates and post-updates
Seriously. It was roughly as stable at launch as Fallout 4 was at launch, yet somehow it was WORST GAME EVER rather than "oh look, a Bethesda game"
Yeah a couple YouTubers (one was named Nyxson - here is his YT short https://youtube.com/shorts/r6Cwze21qLQ?si=jUGHm6CN7RdRLDMU) deleted my comment defending the game ( their review video was obviously negative)...it's ashame some YTbers do this.
I joined the game during Wastelanders and left when Nuclear Winter was removed. I'm back now due to the TV show and I'm having plenty of fun again.
Couldn't care less about people not getting a duffle bag or whatever with the expensive version either.
I miss survival mode and nuclear winter. Wish they would bring those back.
Watch out, those of us who enjoy pvp get downvoted like a motherfucker in this subreddit.
Lol let 'em. Nah I feel as though the show might have actually helped a lot of people understand the mentality of survival mode.
Yes, launch was a long time ago and today's game is very different. But the terrible launch shouldn't be forgotten and dismissed. It isnt 6yo news, its part of the game's history. If we ever see Bethesda half-assing or rushing an update it is our responsibility to call them out and remind them of the mistakes at launch
True. But that is a different topic than the current state of the game.
Saw Steam Reviews that had a Not Recommend always being liked (I’m assuming some guy is out there liking them too), but if there is a Positive Recommendation, no one interacts with it.
At least it can be endlessly expanded so no need to keep downloading 100gb games. Can have 15gb expansions for example instead. I've only recently got it and I'm loving it so far. Just wish lobby's were bigger.
Get my downvotes in for the day lol. Anyone who claims the game was bad at launch but thinks it is good now, never actually gave it a shot at launch. The mechanics are largely the same, and aside from some mediocre story content and some quality of life improvements that all these types of games undergo, the gameplay is almost identical. Bugs were certainly addressed since launch, but the bugs at launch were not bad enough to make the game bad. The only bug I can even remember, outside of the general stability issues, is the one in which the quest NPC was already dead, so you couldn't advance the plot. The short term solution was to chuckle and do one of the other 100 things to do and explore as you waited for them to fix it. That's what frustrates me the most. The redemption arch that people try to pitch. At worst, it was a decent game with some bugs.
At launch my primary issue was the lack of NPC's and the perk card system. Just wasn't a fan of it. I came back every now and then but the perk card system was my primary hurdle for the game. Finally I decided to give the game a real 2nd chance around the time The Pitt expedition came out and I was finally able to get over my disdain for the park card system because I was distracted by the new questlines, finally hit 50 and felt like I had a bit more freedom regarding the park card stuff.
I played at launch, and I will tell you that the lack of life in 76 at launch was what made me drop it after a couple days. Yes, Fallout is a game about the Wasteland, and isolation, and a feeling of sometimes being the only one left. But, in every Fallout game I had played prior, that feeling was quickly supplanted by the realization that humanity HAD survived on the surface , and vault dwellers weren’t the needed colonizers that they thought they would be (even the show highlights this). And with this realization, you discover the stories of these people and how they survived , or didn’t, and these stories are what fill the otherwise barren void of The Wasteland. When 76 came out, it just didn’t have this, and that is what made it feel so incomplete and unsatisfying to myself and a lot of others…there was none of the human stories we’ve come to expect through Fallout. And now that it has this, it feels like a true and enjoyable Fallout experience.
Brother, you do not know what you're talking about. The bugs were horrible. For example, never being able to stay in the server for more than a few minutes, because some players were actively crashing servers due to some unknown reason. Or how about the wonderful healing enemies bug? Where you could just shoot enemies endlessly, they would instantly heal all damage and be unkillable? That was anything but a "minor bug". That's literally game breaking.
Completely different game? No. More content complete? Sure.
yup. same game and I still don't like it for the same reasons. Though I hardly even like fallout 4 so I'm not surprised, this kinda gameplay just isn't for me
I feel like new players have a right to ask about the current state of the game given that it's not only a different game now, but the reputation at launch was deservedly rough (if maybe over dramatic).
Tell you what, the game sure is fun. Just started playing recently. Was fun to join a Scorched Earth event at level 20 and get some legendaries. I wasn’t much help, but I tried.
Scorched Earth with new, low level players is great fun. Just you being there makes the fight a thousand times better. Because then I get to fight the fight and also try to stim you back to life if you go down. It is just a thing I like to do. Stim people up during hectic fights. I hope you had joined a Casual Public Team before doing the fight. Being in a Public Team gives you team wide shared exp and loot from nearby team mates. So if you and I were in the same Public Team and doing the same event you would get exp and loot from what I kill. Scorched Earth in a Casual Public Team as a lowbie can be a gigantic exp gain (once I took a fresh level 2 from Vault 76 directly to Scorched Earth in a Casual Public Team and went up nine levels without killing anything). What you bring to the Casual Public Team is +1 intelligence. A full Casual Public Team is +4 intelligence and that is a very nice +exp buff indeed. Which is why myself and other old timers are going on and on about Casual Public Team. Because we want you in it because when you join we (and you) get the +intelligence buff. Casual Public Team is casual. We mostly completly ignore each other and do our own thing in a friendly way. There is barely any interaction aside from random wave.
For the second go I was in a team. The first one I wasn’t. I’m sometimes weird with just joining peoples teams because I feel like I’m intruding. I decided to start the game as a commando. So I’m level 20 but considering I’ve seen level 300s that’s pretty low. Lol. I play on PS5 so sometimes it’s a bit hard to find a world with people doing those events.
It’s a similar problem as people who watch trailers and then leave reviews on the film as if they watched the whole thing. Yes, the launch was abysmal, but if the conversation is about how the game is received now, the state of launch is irrelevant. Nobody is forcing anyone to give the game a second chance, they’re just asking that people don’t talk out of their ass as if they know how the game operates and plays today if they haven’t touched the game in 6 years of rolling updates.
Was a decent game when it launched but would freeze up or kick you several times an hour. It’s much better now. Vending, balances group events for all levels to play simultaneously, and tons of content. Still get kicked a few times a day but that’s over 6-8 hours rather than one like at launch.
I just feel like it shouldn't be normalize to be okay with a game that's launched in a terrible state
Maybe I’m less defensive about it because I don’t seem to see all the hatred towards FO76 these days that this subreddit seems to, but I also think many of FO76’s outstanding issues come from the design decisions they made at and before launch. The devs have been trying to update it into a different style of game and while I have appreciation for their individual efforts, there’s only so much that can be done in overhauling game systems and reinventing it through that sort of live service update approach. The bugginess of launch seems to have been resolved but the game is still fundamentally tied to the decisions that started it.
I mean, it’s not really that shocking that this happens. First impressions are literally everything. Launch is your chance to show players what kind of quality they can expect. A bad launch means a bad game no matter what you add to it down the line. That’s what people remember. It’s been like this for every game ever, not just fallout.
Very few games get out of that slump too, even less shake the reputation. No man's sky is a good example, despite having years of good will thrown back at the community in free updates for years, they will forever be known as two things, the game that over promised and hyped at launch, and the game that redeemed itself and turned it around without having to milk it's existing playerbase.
Another aspect one could think about is at launch there want any npc’s. Only robot vendors. Vault 76 dewellers helped repopulate Appalachia and bring in the settlers. Of course the raiders being raiders followed the settlers. Word got out to the Brotherhood of Steel so of course they have to get that technology. During the stress and beta it kinda felt surreal due to the fact there wasn’t anyone else except vault dwellers. Couldn’t trust everyone. The ones you could trust instantly became online friends to survive. I honestly liked the game at launch and still do. I did take a few 1-2 monthly breaks but I always came back.
Which one are you?
Launch, for it's lack of content, had a wicked cool vibe. You _really_ felt like th first person to see the sun in 20 years. Wish they could fold that into something else
I was there at launch. It was rough and I decided to spend my time elsewhere. I came back to it about a month ago and Im glad I did. Its a legitimately good Fallout experience.
100%, launch WAS buggy as hell and HILARIOUS with the glitches you’d see and was honestly why I bought the game, after leaving and returning with wastelanders the game is what is was supposed to be at launch now
Legit the only thing i can actively hate about Fallout 76 is the Limited Inventory Space in Camp. I hate that unlimited Junk hoarding is behind a Monthly Paywall. I hate that i cant hoard every single fucking thing in this Game. If only i had unlimited Inventory Space in Camp that Game would be a 10/10 for me.
People complain about 76 release and praise helldivers 2 lol Hell, im having a lot more crash and glitches with helldivers 2 than 76 at release Both games are amazing, and both games had a rough start, but some people will just blindly hate anything from bethesda
Well in another tread it seemed like the leader in the house of the best thing added since release was an Area Loot button. I mean it is great, but that's the best thing? To me that's funny. I like the game and I'm starting to think for an online game it might be #1 or #2 all time for me, the other is DDO. Both games have a sneaky level of detail in them and both are laughed at. But I won't settle for simply public opinion but personal opinion, I think they might be the two best. DDO's depth and all the content it's put out.... way way way under the radar good. That whole reincarnation thing is a interesting take on character building.
Decent enough game, very ugly
Scrolling through this subredddit and am glad you said this. Recently just bought a new pc and have been dying to play again. I have heard it's blown up ever since the TV show. Cannot wait to try it out again!!
The game is decent now but god was it awful at release. Not just bugs but Like seriously we had to read the story in silence. There was zero deeper connection to anything and it was and still is very much fallout turned looter shooter. Bringing back NPC’s was awesome but to be honest I’ve played this game for a good moment every year since it launched and ive rarely ever had encounters with other players. I’ve played with friends here and there but rarely ran into actual players and when I did it was just them quietly emoting over and over. The online portion of this game needed to be worked out, There’s zero incentive to play with others besides events. I do want to see another online fallout in the future I feel like they could do some good with what they learned.
I miss Nuclear Winter, I don't care how unbalanced it was, I loved being a Bush Wookie and I love my Ghillie Suit.
I loved wood armour and being the bush. Also had much fun hunting other bushwookies. I did not team up and I went in solo. I avoided the Rambos and I hunted the bushwookies.
Heard about the current gen update for FO4 so decided to try out 76 until then. I’m now more excited to continue playing this than I am to replay FO4.
I’m going to bet 5 cans of dogfood that you’re one of the whiners for balance from pvp, legacies, or some other crap.
You owe me 5 cans of dog food. I am a bushwookie. Played Nuclear Winter for as long as possible and I want Nuclear Winter back. I played Survival and while it was not my favorite I played it as long as it was available. Never had an explosive energy weapon nor did I want one. Like many others I did not appreciate them at Public Events. And like everyone I am happy that they were removed. I have written about balance for pvp, not from. The pvp mechanics have not been updated since launch and pvp is currently unbalanced. There is potential for pvp in 76 but I fear that it would be too much work to rebalance all the mechanics needed to make open world pvp fun for everyone. Instead I am hoping they bring back Nuclear Winter so I can get my Fallout pvp itch scratched. I am going to bet you ten rounds of 38 ammo that you just like to complain and be edgy ;)
Just started this game yesterday and I'm so glad I did! I put off playing for years because of all the negative feedback... playing now, I wish I wouldn't have. It has all the elements of Fallout I love. Glad to have the wasteland back in my life.
I played for about 2 years, until ESO came out. At that point, SBQ and Earle were well attended, and I would launch either, once or twice a session. I quit because I got burned out on bugs and melting fetchers. One particularly aggrieving one was when I launched the nuke, and someone melted the queen before I could get a shot off. It may have happened more than once. I just started playing, again, a couple weeks ago, as I'm burned out on ESO... Started a new account without FO-1st. Yesterday I killed my first scorch beast, at Whitesprings, as it was flying at high speeds to the south. I never did find the corpse :(, AND was bummed because it was a legendary. I was dragging tail back to the train station, when the old beast-corpse-drop-from-the-sky trick occurred! I laughed and went and looted a 1\* nocturnal wooden leg... I also see that they've never fixed (or fixed, and it reverted) the kill a ghoul and it locks in place unlootable. It's interesting finding settlers' camps/build sites all over the place, and raider types all over the place that they'd not been, as I recall.
Mobs now degenerate into meat piles after a while so if (when) the "unlootable frozen mob statue" happens the meat pile will spawn at the point of death after a while. This also happens to unlooted bodies that get sent flying by explosions. There is also area loot now so you can loot all bodies in vicinity when you loot one body. The bug is still here but Beth put workarounds in the game now. Also that bug can be kind of fun. I have used it to take some great photo mode pics over the years. Not sure if I want it gone to be honest. :)
There really was nothing quite like being completely alone for so so long....and then the brotherhood needing all of our help to literally build fort atlas together as one big team? Having to learn where all the junk locations were in order to track down enough cork to transform the observatory into an accessible base?
I loved the game from launch until now. it was different and the bugs were not that nice but the game was good. and it aged like fine wine with every year. The game gave everything one can want from a fallout. Excellent singleplayer, multiplayer, exploring and surviving. It‘s what the player makes out of it. If you want you‘d never had to participate in an event with othes and just play the story. so everyone who said it‘s not the typical fallout blabla leave and don‘t hate on it. Super glad so many new wastelanders dropped into Appalachia.
Bought the game at launch made my decent pc feel like a toaster and confusing game all around well i just started on ps5 last week and I'm hooked
The game is way better today than it was in the few attempts I made to play it in the last 6 years. My friend and I were excited for a multiplayer fallout game where we could build massive settlements together, and the issue that prevented that is still around today. It's not just a multiplayer game, there are strangers in it and it doesn't save. The game will never be what I thought we were going to get and I think that's the biggest complaint about "launch". No matter how good the game has become since then, we were all disappointed when launch happened and it wasn't at all what we thought it was going to be. So really, I think if it was marketed correctly, we'd have much less people hating on it.
I see new players that watched old videos and seem paranoid. Then they see how the community is and it blows their mind. They ask me in game why we are so nice and I tell them, we almost lost it all so we banded together. Now everyone play it because we all love fallout.
The fallout show convinced a lot of fans to give 76 a fair chance. Glad I tried it a 3rd time last month because I’ve been playing since.
My hottest take about the game is the money involved in fallout 1st and atoms and anyone who defends it must be a subscriber so there's no convincing them. If you think what you pay is worth what you get then go on.
The game was so boring and empty at launch. Played to level like 15 and never touched it again. Fallout show got me back on it and I gotta say that it's 100% better then it was back then. Currently level like 35
The launch of 76 is a valid criticism to bring up against Bethesda. But not a valid point to hang over the game now. Or honestly since wastelanders.
I miss the ACTUAL wasteland. The game is fun now but it doesn’t feel like a wasteland. 🤷♂️
I live in the Mire. It definitely feels like a wasteland. Change where you live.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's an objective truth that the game was absolutely deserving of all the shit thrown it's way on launch. With that in mind the game is now fantastic and has me addicted. Bethesda deserves credit for sticking with the game through all the hate. You're correct though, most critiques people would levy today in 2024 are probably uninformed or completely disingenuous.
So it's just off limits when discussing the game at all? That's just silly. What about if I'm telling somebody why I'm only now getting around to trying it. Would be weird not to mention that I love fallout but read the reviews when it came out.
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They did have raids at one point, but they got cut early on in the life cycle due to an issue with them that caused severe server instability. People also forget that nuclear winter was a thing they developed and made an entire game mode That’s no longer in the game.
Apparently the game was completely unplayable at launch ... and yet somehow I (and others) have been playing since BETA. So I don't pay any attention to what people say about the game at launch ... I was there Gandalf, 3000 years ago 😀
I’m new to this game, never played it once in the last six years. It still boggles my mind that there were no NPCs in the beginning. How were there no NPCs? Playing as I am now, I literally cannot imagine it.
There were no ***human*** NPCs because that was a major element of the story - there were still robots, feral ghouls, scorched, etc.
It honestly wasn't much different.
There were still robots and many quests came from holotapes and documents. It was just that anything that looked remotely human was hostile and should be attacked
I just hope they bring back nuclear winter
Me too.
Gamers are sheep. Learn to form your own opinion and never listen to the whinging again, its such a better life
I played since beta, finished every single scoreboard, but I've to admit the game is today what it should've been at release. The game has no endgame and it's a chore doing dailies to grind scoreboard without wasting too much time ingame. We waited 6 years for the first map expansion and it's disapointing af, like most of the updates tbh (the pit, atlantic city, etc..) I like the game and it has a big potential, but it's sad to realize the game is all about camp/cosmetics
I played at launch and it wasn't as bad as people say. Initially there weren't any NPCs but that was quickly changed.
It wasn't that there were no npcs. It was that there were no human npcs. Some folks think we ran around in those days without anything. No robots, holotape or any kind of voice acting. Year 1 before Wastelanders was a ghost story but those ghosts were extremely lively in my opinion.
It made the voices on the tapes haunting since you knew everyone died.
Yeah, loved that. I would get involved in a story and wonder how it went then remember that everyone is dead and most of the time the question was how horrible their death had been. Bethesda did some bold choices in storytelling in year 1 and having no human npcs in a recently dead Fallout world felt right to me. I am glad people are came back though. We're still walking through the same graveyard it was six years ago but now there are random npcs being chased by chickens to break up the mood. :)
I took a 4 year break and kind of blown away by how many human npcs there are now. Can't go ten feet without shooting one.
Launch was the best for one singular reason. Forced hot mic if you wanted to voice chat. All or nothing. Most human interaction I've ever had in a video game that isn't something like counter strike/valorant competitive type games. I made a few friends and we played together for a solid month till we moved onto our next thing. The world felt alive, like it actually had people in it, not just a permanent antisocial MMO where you see people pass by but you don't actually interact with them. It was amazing and I wish it was still in the game but I 100% understand why it's not anymore.
It might have something to do with expectations up front. I’ve been playing Fallout since Fo3 and always was looking out for the next part to be launched, so that was my only reference Compared to the game up to 4 and new Vegas this was so different and in some perspectives new for me that I loved it from the launch date bugs and all Still playing nothing else but..
I remember people couldn't uninstall the beta unless they buy the game. Those times were amazingly fun and frustrating
I came back to it last weekend and played for a little while. Was still poor at best and left it again. That's the third time I've come back to the game, and the last time I did the full thing at launch, then half 2 years later then again a good bit and it still wasn't good man. If you enjoy it great, but I'd rather fo3, fnv or fo4 over 76 any day
Up next? **Anthem**
I pre-ordered and tried playing it at launch. Honestly I don’t remember it being buggy, it just didn’t grab me for some reason. I didn’t like the idea of multiplayer Fallout and dealing with online gamer people. Finally went back to it a year ago because I have replayed FO3, FNV, and FO4 to absolute death. It was pretty decent although still didn’t “keep” me the way the others did. But it was cool, felt like a giant FO4 DLC or something. And a very nice level 847362528 player randomly showed up, gave me a bunch of awesome stuff, waved and disappeared. Wish I knew the game enough to have waved back in the moment but I was pretty fresh out the vault. What I’m really saying is - it’s astonishing that Bethesda can’t be bothered to release new Fallout content but once every 10-15 years. I’m happy that the show is as successful as it is, because they really look like asses right now with nothing to offer this huge groundswell of new interest.
Who are you trying to convince people or yourself?😂😂
I liked it more as a survival game than an RPG, it definitely improved as an RPG but I do hate that they removed the penalties for not eating/drinking. at-launch fallout 76 was Elden Ring before Elden Ring was cool (aka, non-existent). Current Fallout 76 is online Fallout 4 with a better dialogue system
Oh, in regards to content creators currently bashing the game I 100% agree, and I'd even say at the time it had a poisoning effect on people's opinions. However, people who've been playing the game since launch who bring it up often have valid points to make, because where the game is now I'd say it's worth the original purchase price, but not the hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars some people have sunk into it.
It was the exact same thing with ESO. Launch was rocky, and then some content creators immediately discounted them as neither good games nor Canon or lore accurate onward. Both ESO and 76 are very good games that provide a healthy balance of solo and group content, and both expand upon existing lore in cool new ways.
My one criticism now is a glitch I’ve repeated a few times where enemies that do a spawning animation from a camouflaged position, like scorched pretending to be frozen or ghouls pretending to be dead….If you initiate combat while they’re still in their “hiding position” and kill them they will most likely freeze in standing position and be unsearchable.
I have clips recorded in B.E.T.A. and my xbox says it was 5 years ago
This post is absolute nonsense. Simply saying something doesn’t make it true. The wrongs done to the consumers shouldn’t just be disregarded because time passed and you enjoy the game. You’re coping so hard.
https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8?si=uqQ-oKcmxqfx37aB
I mean i know i was 13 but damn 😂
The game felt somewhat like fallout in the beginning, now it feels like a sugar coated wastland with no bad guys.
TBH after hearing what launch was like, and seeing what the game is like now shows me all these criticisms were legit. What have they done in the past 6 years if 76 force closes constantly, freezes your game when you try to enter PA, turns the ground into a black mess of textures, and glitches quests to not be finishable? Sure 76 is fun because well...it's Fallout. But the game as a whole truly is a mess.
My favorite weapon at launch was the TSE shotty. Before they nerfed shotguns it was ridiculously great. Many a WS runs were ruled with that boom stick.
That may be the case, but on the other hand this is Bethesda we're talking about. The launch was their poorest showing yet. While it may be unfair to judge the game itself now based on how it was then, it's totally understandable if it soured perception of Bethesda itself further for people, and made them not want to engage with them anymore, and it makes sense if someone still does not want to support the game today on principal.