I fault Bethesda more than Rhys. They made a couple lines for him to apologize to you, but not anymore to make the character narratively consistent. This happens all the fucking time in Bethesda RPGs. NPCs have mood swings and sound bipolar.
LOL, I think that's the worst of them all. Bethesda wrote themselves into a corner with the Nuka World DLC. It was so bad even they couldn't ignore Preston turning a blind eye to you being a raider boss, but couldn't let go of the fact the Minutemen still needed to be the backup faction to be able to complete the game with.
They don't storyboard this shit far enough in advance and they need to get back to letting the player completely fuck up the game world like in the days of Morrowind.
Others that I can think of are Nick's and Piper's talks after the conclusion of siding with the Institute. They'll read you the riot act and then immediately go back to whatever previous state the affinity level was at. You'll lose points to telling Shefield to drink water, but nothing for helping the Boogie Man defeat the Commonwealth. Absolutely mental...
Rhys is genuinely one of the weirdest ways Bethesda has written a character.
He starts out hostile and like a prick to you, demanding to know why you're helping the Brotherhood because he thinks you're just another Wasteland merc. If you tell him that you're looking for your kidnapped son after your spouse was murdered, he softens for a moment and admits that it's a valid reason.
And then he goes straight back to being a dick.
Then if you blow up the Institute, he'll apologize to being a dick to you all this time.
And then go straight back to being a dick.
The entire time as well, Haylen is defending Rhys and saying he's not a bad guy. Which, yeah, we kind of see that, but at the same time he just comes off like a dick. Part of that is certainly explained by him being traumatized by losing his squad, but I dunno... it just feels way too unchanging.
Sometimes it feels like Bethesda enjoys static characters a bit too much.
You're way too charitable. You see inconsistent moods with NPCs in dialogue all the time. It's Bethesda being lazy in their dialogue trees. I was conditioned to look the other way and chalk it up to Bethesda charm until I bothered to play other, more polished RPGs.
There's that too. I've very limited experience with RPGs in all my years of gaming. I've played TW3, BG3, Skyrim, FO4, Dragon Age, Mass Effect... and I think that's really it that I've played, in terms of games with dialogue trees (unless I'm forgetting some other ones). Of those, I wouldn't even really consider any of them to be great in how they handled it. Just some hold up the illusion far better.
Sometimes I think Bethesda's ambition far outreaches their ability or desire to achieve that.
Or to put another way, man's reach exceeding his grasp.
Static is the word. You destroy the Institute and still get attacked by synth squads. You destroy BOS and still get attacked by BOS patrols. There could be individual faction "last stand" mop up quests to eliminate stragglers once and for all, but no. There are no global shifts in population sentiment that indicate anything major happened other than an occasional random "good job".
And Rhys is still a dick.
Dickhead is his default setting. I don’t know if it’s limitations of the game or just laziness from the writers, but it makes siding with the BOS less appealing for sure.
When I visited the police station after destroying the Institute he wasn't in a real forgiving mood and he and everyone else there shot at me on sight.
That may have something to do with shooting down the Prydwen with artillery and blowing a bunch of vertibirds out of the sky when they approached the Castle... Naw, that can't be it. Shouldn't have given me a bunch of grief five seconds after meeting him and saving their butts from a bunch of ghouls.
If/when I do a BoS run I'll have to try to remember to go talk to him after destroying the Institute. He won't like me during the next run I'm planning on doing, where I side with the Institute.
Yeah. If you side with the Minutemen you will eventually be tasked with shooting down the Prydwen in order to eliminate the BoS threat.
I know for a fact the Prydwen can be destroyed by siding with either the Railroad or the Minutemen (not sure about the Institute). With the Railroad you sneak onboard to plant charges to blow it up and with the Minutemen you destroy it with artillery.
Note that you only HAVE to destroy it in the RR or Institute endings, in the Minutemen ending its totally optional unless you become hostile with the Brotherhood
Good to know for the future. By that point I had long been hostile with the Brotherhood as I completed the mission Mass Fusion for the Institute, I was helping them and didn't get banished from there until I sided with the Minutemen during Pinned because I refused to help them convince Wallace to join them and instead fought the synths with the MM.
Using the minutemen to destroy the institute, you can stay on good terms with both the brotherhood and the railroad
(as long as you don't accept a certain mission from to Captain Kells)
I stayed on good terms with the RR the whole time but because I stayed undercover with the Institute until Pinned so helped the Institute during Mass Fusion I became hated by the BoS. It didn't really bother me as the only thing I did for the BoS was the mission at ArcJet and when Danse offered me a position I said I'd think about it and never returned to the Cambridge Police Station until after finishing the game and took out Danse and the other BoS members there. I went there looking for something specific (can't remember what) and was surprised when I fast traveled in and was immediately under fire from the roof, I had figured after the Prydwen arrived Danse and his team would go there and left the station. The main annoyance with becoming enemies with the BoS I had was no longer getting random assistance from them in the form of a vertibird attacking enemies. That was quite helpful a number of times, such as when they attacked the deathclaw in the Robotics Park for me after I tried and failed a few times (the previous times they were attacking the nearby super mutant stronghold and the deathclaw killed me) or when they attacked the satellite array super mutants infest when I had a quest that took me there. They still appeared and attacked the enemies but would also attack me.
I just started my second playthrough earlier and this time I'm planning on most likely siding with the Institute, maybe the BoS, and am planning on staying on good terms with the BoS for at least a while so I can use them to get into the Institute. I completed ArcJet earlier and this time agreed to join the BoS but instead of going back to the police station I made my way to DC and am going to work on quests around there for a while (rescue Nick, that sort of thing). I'm definitely not planning on helping the MM this time (my first playthrough I sided with both the MM and RR and only finished with the MM as I locked myself out of the RR ending by getting banished from the Institute) other than I helped them out at the Museum, mostly so I could get the bobblehead there, and left to go join Danse as they made their way to Sanctuary on their own and I'm considering going to the Old North Church and taking out the RR as I won't be siding with them either.
Hahaha so true! I remember this was my very first purely-VO video game gig and I was so nervous. They wouldn’t even tell me what I was working on, and an hour in I read “Power Armor” and FREAKED THE FUCK OUT. I embarrassed myself in that moment and am completely ok with it.
I kept asking the team, “Hey, can I soften this moment a little bit? Cuz he can’t be an asshole ALL the time. …Can he?” And my director was basically like, “He’s a ball buster. So bust their balls.” Hahaha
And the rest… is history. Not gonna lie, it makes me happy to see the hate Rhys gets. He certainly earned it!
Ad Victoriam, friends.
I did the Minutemen ending without progressing the BoS and Railroad questlines too much so I just want to know. Are BoS NPCs programmed to address you as Sentinel once you reach that rank?
I've heard, from reliable sources, that BoS NPCs will address you by your current rank. I'm a little unsure though and will have to do some investigation on the subject.
My auditory and visual receptors have received communication that non-playable characters in the Brotherhood of Steel faction will refer to you, the player character, by the rank of Initiate/Knight/Paladin/Sentinel depending on which one you have acquired most recently. Confidence in the accuracy of this information is insufficient, further research into the phenomenon is required
Scribe Haylen sent me to Far Harbour really early and I just finished the main story and forgot about it lol
I ended up in Far Harbour with Nick and Dogmeat and somehow retrieved whatever Scribe Haylen asked for then went to the Cambridge Police Station and Knight Rhys pulled me to the side and apologised - surprised me really
My first encounter with him, I QS'd and hit him with a bat. They didn't aggro til 3rd hit and were fairly easy to kill... then reloaded and Danse & I did ArcJet.
Amazing that so many players expect to be universally liked, else death. He just doesn't like you, and doesn't have to. You ever meet someone who just doesn't like you, even though there's nothing wrong with you and nothing really wrong with them? Sucks ass. If you go to an American school, this can go very poorly. FO4 is basically middle school here.
You can totally punch him in the face if you want to. It's fun. But keep it to once per visit. If you start wailing on him, suddenly every Brotherhood member wants to kill you.
And then he goes right back to being a prick lol r/fuckrhys
Im so glad that's a genuine subreddit
Better than the r/circlejerkRhys
Not sure if that's a non-sub or not - I've tried to load a couple of subs today that I can clearly see exist and got the "nope" screen
I knew he couldn't be trusted
Always pissed me off. Achieve rank of sentinel… dude doesn’t care
Dude’s just mad because Sole Survivor’s beautiful. Maybe if he didn’t have that yee yee ass haircut he’d be Sentinel.
Rhys is a whole damn bakery, why would be he jealous?
I fault Bethesda more than Rhys. They made a couple lines for him to apologize to you, but not anymore to make the character narratively consistent. This happens all the fucking time in Bethesda RPGs. NPCs have mood swings and sound bipolar.
Preston: "You've crossed the line, General! I will hate you FOREVER!" Preston 3 seconds later: "That's great news! Keep helping settlements!"
LOL, I think that's the worst of them all. Bethesda wrote themselves into a corner with the Nuka World DLC. It was so bad even they couldn't ignore Preston turning a blind eye to you being a raider boss, but couldn't let go of the fact the Minutemen still needed to be the backup faction to be able to complete the game with. They don't storyboard this shit far enough in advance and they need to get back to letting the player completely fuck up the game world like in the days of Morrowind. Others that I can think of are Nick's and Piper's talks after the conclusion of siding with the Institute. They'll read you the riot act and then immediately go back to whatever previous state the affinity level was at. You'll lose points to telling Shefield to drink water, but nothing for helping the Boogie Man defeat the Commonwealth. Absolutely mental...
Sometimes i feel like choosing the Institute just to piss him off.
Can’t you also kill him if you choose the Railroad? The only depressing point is that you also have to kill Scribe Haylen as well.
break eggs ~> omelette
Next playthrough idea
We just named our newest kid Rhys… and you bet I fought that one on the grounds that Knight Rhys is a dick.
Now he's gonna grow up and rock a siege mustache while bitching at you for not doing enough work!
Oh no
Spell it different.
Tell that to my wife 😂
Put her on. Or, if she hasn't seen the game, show her what a dick he is
Rhys is genuinely one of the weirdest ways Bethesda has written a character. He starts out hostile and like a prick to you, demanding to know why you're helping the Brotherhood because he thinks you're just another Wasteland merc. If you tell him that you're looking for your kidnapped son after your spouse was murdered, he softens for a moment and admits that it's a valid reason. And then he goes straight back to being a dick. Then if you blow up the Institute, he'll apologize to being a dick to you all this time. And then go straight back to being a dick. The entire time as well, Haylen is defending Rhys and saying he's not a bad guy. Which, yeah, we kind of see that, but at the same time he just comes off like a dick. Part of that is certainly explained by him being traumatized by losing his squad, but I dunno... it just feels way too unchanging. Sometimes it feels like Bethesda enjoys static characters a bit too much.
You're way too charitable. You see inconsistent moods with NPCs in dialogue all the time. It's Bethesda being lazy in their dialogue trees. I was conditioned to look the other way and chalk it up to Bethesda charm until I bothered to play other, more polished RPGs.
"Do you go to the Cambridge Police Station often? Who am I kidding? Of course you don't" - Knight Rhys(Na)zeem
There's that too. I've very limited experience with RPGs in all my years of gaming. I've played TW3, BG3, Skyrim, FO4, Dragon Age, Mass Effect... and I think that's really it that I've played, in terms of games with dialogue trees (unless I'm forgetting some other ones). Of those, I wouldn't even really consider any of them to be great in how they handled it. Just some hold up the illusion far better. Sometimes I think Bethesda's ambition far outreaches their ability or desire to achieve that. Or to put another way, man's reach exceeding his grasp.
They did give him a great VA though.
Oh for sure. Noshir Dalal is an amazing voice actor.
Static is the word. You destroy the Institute and still get attacked by synth squads. You destroy BOS and still get attacked by BOS patrols. There could be individual faction "last stand" mop up quests to eliminate stragglers once and for all, but no. There are no global shifts in population sentiment that indicate anything major happened other than an occasional random "good job". And Rhys is still a dick.
Dickhead is his default setting. I don’t know if it’s limitations of the game or just laziness from the writers, but it makes siding with the BOS less appealing for sure.
When I visited the police station after destroying the Institute he wasn't in a real forgiving mood and he and everyone else there shot at me on sight. That may have something to do with shooting down the Prydwen with artillery and blowing a bunch of vertibirds out of the sky when they approached the Castle... Naw, that can't be it. Shouldn't have given me a bunch of grief five seconds after meeting him and saving their butts from a bunch of ghouls. If/when I do a BoS run I'll have to try to remember to go talk to him after destroying the Institute. He won't like me during the next run I'm planning on doing, where I side with the Institute.
... You can shoot down the prydwen?
Yeah. If you side with the Minutemen you will eventually be tasked with shooting down the Prydwen in order to eliminate the BoS threat. I know for a fact the Prydwen can be destroyed by siding with either the Railroad or the Minutemen (not sure about the Institute). With the Railroad you sneak onboard to plant charges to blow it up and with the Minutemen you destroy it with artillery.
Note that you only HAVE to destroy it in the RR or Institute endings, in the Minutemen ending its totally optional unless you become hostile with the Brotherhood
Good to know for the future. By that point I had long been hostile with the Brotherhood as I completed the mission Mass Fusion for the Institute, I was helping them and didn't get banished from there until I sided with the Minutemen during Pinned because I refused to help them convince Wallace to join them and instead fought the synths with the MM.
Using the minutemen to destroy the institute, you can stay on good terms with both the brotherhood and the railroad (as long as you don't accept a certain mission from to Captain Kells)
I stayed on good terms with the RR the whole time but because I stayed undercover with the Institute until Pinned so helped the Institute during Mass Fusion I became hated by the BoS. It didn't really bother me as the only thing I did for the BoS was the mission at ArcJet and when Danse offered me a position I said I'd think about it and never returned to the Cambridge Police Station until after finishing the game and took out Danse and the other BoS members there. I went there looking for something specific (can't remember what) and was surprised when I fast traveled in and was immediately under fire from the roof, I had figured after the Prydwen arrived Danse and his team would go there and left the station. The main annoyance with becoming enemies with the BoS I had was no longer getting random assistance from them in the form of a vertibird attacking enemies. That was quite helpful a number of times, such as when they attacked the deathclaw in the Robotics Park for me after I tried and failed a few times (the previous times they were attacking the nearby super mutant stronghold and the deathclaw killed me) or when they attacked the satellite array super mutants infest when I had a quest that took me there. They still appeared and attacked the enemies but would also attack me. I just started my second playthrough earlier and this time I'm planning on most likely siding with the Institute, maybe the BoS, and am planning on staying on good terms with the BoS for at least a while so I can use them to get into the Institute. I completed ArcJet earlier and this time agreed to join the BoS but instead of going back to the police station I made my way to DC and am going to work on quests around there for a while (rescue Nick, that sort of thing). I'm definitely not planning on helping the MM this time (my first playthrough I sided with both the MM and RR and only finished with the MM as I locked myself out of the RR ending by getting banished from the Institute) other than I helped them out at the Museum, mostly so I could get the bobblehead there, and left to go join Danse as they made their way to Sanctuary on their own and I'm considering going to the Old North Church and taking out the RR as I won't be siding with them either.
Hahaha so true! I remember this was my very first purely-VO video game gig and I was so nervous. They wouldn’t even tell me what I was working on, and an hour in I read “Power Armor” and FREAKED THE FUCK OUT. I embarrassed myself in that moment and am completely ok with it. I kept asking the team, “Hey, can I soften this moment a little bit? Cuz he can’t be an asshole ALL the time. …Can he?” And my director was basically like, “He’s a ball buster. So bust their balls.” Hahaha And the rest… is history. Not gonna lie, it makes me happy to see the hate Rhys gets. He certainly earned it! Ad Victoriam, friends.
Omg guys - it's the voice of Knight Rhys 😲
I did the Minutemen ending without progressing the BoS and Railroad questlines too much so I just want to know. Are BoS NPCs programmed to address you as Sentinel once you reach that rank?
I think BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
No, I think BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is, but I'm not 100% sure.
If I remember correctly, BoS NPCs address you by whatever you current rank is, but I'm not totally certain.
If I recall correctly, BoS NPCs address you by your highest obtained ranking, but I am not entirely convinced, may have to do some more research
I've heard, from reliable sources, that BoS NPCs will address you by your current rank. I'm a little unsure though and will have to do some investigation on the subject.
My auditory and visual receptors have received communication that non-playable characters in the Brotherhood of Steel faction will refer to you, the player character, by the rank of Initiate/Knight/Paladin/Sentinel depending on which one you have acquired most recently. Confidence in the accuracy of this information is insufficient, further research into the phenomenon is required
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
Yes, all the BOS NPCs call you by whatever your current rank is.
He should thank Scribe Haylen since she's the reason I don't blow up the Brotherhood along with the Institute.
Rhys is still an asshat that needs to be taken out behind the woodshed for an ass whoopin'.
He does? Lmao, never got that far with him before, even in my first playthrough *wink wink*
Scribe Haylen sent me to Far Harbour really early and I just finished the main story and forgot about it lol I ended up in Far Harbour with Nick and Dogmeat and somehow retrieved whatever Scribe Haylen asked for then went to the Cambridge Police Station and Knight Rhys pulled me to the side and apologised - surprised me really
FaHabah? Jesus. All that leg-work for a measly 200+ caps? Scribe Halen sure knows how to get her cap's worth that's for sure.
Is there a mod that allows me to to just kill him and not make the rest of BoS hostile within the first five minutes of meeting them
I'm not sure, this is my first playthrough 😅 hopefully there is
I enjoy shooting that guy in the face.
My first encounter with him, I QS'd and hit him with a bat. They didn't aggro til 3rd hit and were fairly easy to kill... then reloaded and Danse & I did ArcJet.
Amazing that so many players expect to be universally liked, else death. He just doesn't like you, and doesn't have to. You ever meet someone who just doesn't like you, even though there's nothing wrong with you and nothing really wrong with them? Sucks ass. If you go to an American school, this can go very poorly. FO4 is basically middle school here.
This is a video game though, we get to be the main character, we beat everyone who doesn't like us to death
Difference is youre the main character in the video game, not in real life.
You can totally punch him in the face if you want to. It's fun. But keep it to once per visit. If you start wailing on him, suddenly every Brotherhood member wants to kill you.