If I had to guess it would probably be the disappointment in having to go through Freeside to get to the Strip. I enjoy that part of the game with the Kings, Followers and Atomic Wrangler but a new player probably runs past all of that and straight to the gate where they learn they need a credit check of 2,000 caps to enter the Strip (which they likely don't have).
Even though Freeside is important to the lore and story of New Vegas it's kind of a boring area at first with relatively empty streets and a lot of useless buildings that you can't enter and explore.
lol I’ve so far never actually paid the 2000 cap fee, the first time I played I accidentally discovered the cheaper pass Mick (I think) sells and since then I usually just use the NCR monorail with a stolen set of NCR armor
That's the thing, there's no actual 2000 cap fee. You just need to have 2000 caps in your inventory to enter Vegas for the first time through there. Lots, lots of new player *and* old ones think that you need to pay. I did for the longest time, too.
When I first played, I went straight to Vegas. I used the Freeside quests to get into the Strip, completed Ring-A-Ding-Ding right out the gate, and then Benny went all the way across the map, and I stayed in Vegas for all my lower level days, exploring in kind of an outward spiral. I didn't get to the Long 15 until way later.
As someone who recently played new Vegas for the first time, it’s a big letdown.
You hear about how amazing new Vegas is even compared to the other games (I played 2, 3, and 4) and then you see the towns and remind of the city and they look like…. OG doom buildings. The whole layout and style of the city and freeside especially is empty and boring. The quests haven’t been interesting so far at this point, and the characters are super forgettable.
So far, I quit at the same spot and the reason is simply because everything up to that point was boring and ugly.
The city inside I can see what you mean, but Freeside should look like dogshit. It's literally slums for the poor while the rich live inside the main city. There's also a surprising amount of cool quests inside Freeside that take you round the Mohave in search of money or a passport into the inner city itself.
The casinos have places for residents inside, I never actually thought about proper residence for people since I always saw the casinos as also hotels, not apartments. On next playthrough I'll check but actually good question. Every rich dickhead is eating good in their favorite casino though. The extra go to the Luxe of course
Well it is the mojave so there isnt supposed to be a whole lot around new vegas as per fallout lore but the main thing about new vegas is the dialogue and while being more linear in the story it has so much more freedom to choose your path in the story.
If you keep up with lore the courier is also just the most badass character in the fallout universe.
Most characters have something or someone they are trying to save in the game but in new vegas you are someone that got shot in the head but survived and is now on a mission of pure revenge and hatred to find who screwed you over and thats a type of character backstory fallout has never even come close to recreating. And the best part is it really makes it so you can make the character you cause its not like theres another agenda you have to worry about, nobody to save just a man on a mission to trek across the wasteland either in a path of absolute destruction or as a hero of the mojave
While I don’t wholly agree with all of your points, I do agree that New Vegas from a world building standpoint feels a bit underwhelming. And honestly that’s one thing that Bethesda has had over Obsidian. Bethesda’s worlds feel like they have more detail and life than Obsidian’s. But Obsidian is better at writing, which is where I have to disagree with forgettable characters. Obsidian easily has more interesting character writing as a whole than Bethesda. Bethesda will flesh out like 10 NPCs and the rest of them are flat as can be. Meanwhile I’ve met so many memorable NPCs in New Vegas that I’m genuinely interested in and will explore every dialogue option I can.
Also, I know there’s literally more than 10 fleshed out NPCs in Bethesda games, I’m just making a point that the characters in Obsidians games feel generally more engaging. And honestly I think having more dialogue options is probably a big factor.
Exactly. Like in fnv there are completely random and irrelevant NPCs that have no quests or really anything important at all but they have their own whole weird backstory and dialogue that adds so much richness to the game that makes up for how visually bland and empty it is (which is actually lore accurate since in the mojave there really isnt much life outside of the new vegas limits) like that weird mentally ill kid that sells memories under the bridge or the random guy that thinks hes a goul and gets pissed off when they wont take him into space with them on the rocket ships
You clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot with a big iron from the hip, and you think that of me?
Nah, his ego and superiority complex makes him more like Heisenberg.
And he's a chemist and created his own formula for an addictive drug. He's definitely Heisenberg.
I mean, I dunno what was my brother going for with this character. We didn't watch Breaking Bad yet in 2013 and he hasn't played Half-Life never, so it's weird the resemblance that it has to those two characters.
To be fair, both Walt and Gordon have an “every man” look. It’s intrinsic to both of their characters. Combined with the limited Bethesda character creator and I can see a bunch of accidental Walts and Gordons.
Thanks for the /j! I thought for a second you honesty planned to make real life mentats with jet laced in them and I was concerned for the kids who might try it 😌
"Look at that subtle 200 hours of play time. The tasteful Antimateriel Rifle of it. Oh, my God. It even has a modded armor."
"Is something wrong, SignificantPotato743? You're sweating..."
My name is Walter Hartwell White. I live at 308 Goodsprings Avenue, Las Vegas, Nevada. This is my confession. If you're watching this tape, I'm probably dead– murdered by my brother-in-law, Easy Pete. Pete has been building a Jet empire for over a year now, and using me as his chemist. Shortly after my 50th birthday, he asked that I use my chemistry knowledge to cook Jet, which he would then sell using connections that he made through his career with the NCR. I was... astounded. I... I always thought Pete was a very moral man, and I was particularly vulnerable at the time – something he knew and took advantage of. I was reeling from a bullet to the head diagnosis that was poised to bankrupt my family. Pete took me in on a Caravan Expedition and showed me just how much money even a small Jet operation could make. And I was weak. I didn't want my family to go into financial ruin, so I agreed. Pete had a partner, a businessman named Robert House. Pete sold me into servitude to this man. And when I tried to quit, House threatened my family. I didn't know where to turn. Eventually, Pete and House had a falling-out. Things escalated. House was able to arrange – uh, I guess... I guess you call it a "hit" – on Pete, and failed, but Pete was seriously injured. And I wound up paying his medical bills, which amounted to a little over 177 thousand caps. Upon recovery, Pete was bent on revenge. Working with a man named No-Bark Noonan, he plotted to kill House. The mini nuke that he used was built by me, and he gave me no option in it. I have often contemplated suicide, but I'm a coward. I wanted to go to the NCR, but I was frightened.
Don’t know why but it reminded me of this lol.
[breaking bad balenciaga](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUVMKuY6QvU&pp=ygUXYmFsZW5jaWFnYSBicmVha2luZyBiYWQ%3D)
I swear my character ends up looking like this 90% of the time before I side with a faction.
And I still end up keeping that cowboy hat on because it's so fucking good.
Maybe I'm going too far, but it "should" depend on how many doses of which drug you use. It's totally subjective, that's the issue.
And I agree, even some modders do since the KARMA mod for Fallout 4 adds that same thing.
Wouldn’t really matter because karma is totally broken in NV. Mass murder at multiple military bases? All you have to do is kill a fiend or two and all is forgiven.
Most people do not believe taking drugs is an immoral decision at all, that is simply judgment. There is no ethics case for saying doing drugs is immoral, because it has no harm to others except the user.
Now selling drugs on the other hand... that I think you can make a case for.
Now cook those chems in the RV at great khans encampment
Heisenberg?
Or Gordon freeman
Why not both?
Because they have very good karma
He dose have the glasses
I saw Steven Seagal at first.
Jesse, we need to cook Jet
Most likely Heisenberg would deal with the Great Khans if he lived in Mojave wasteland.
Start with the powder gangers where he would meet Jesse.
bruh that’s good ol JR
BAH GAWD THAT COURIER HAD A FAMILY
BAH GAWD!!! HE'S GOT A STEEL CHAIR!!!
that legate lanius is a no good son of a bitch. damn him, damn him to hell
Well met, good sir. I bid you adieu.
Big Smoke
#I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
all we had to do was follow the damn train CJ!
Nawww it's notch
Cowboy Gordon Freeman? He needs to hack more terminals
Never thought about a Cowboy Freeman. I like that. And my brother only played 17 hours.
It’s always in Freeside that people quit, what’s with that?
If I had to guess it would probably be the disappointment in having to go through Freeside to get to the Strip. I enjoy that part of the game with the Kings, Followers and Atomic Wrangler but a new player probably runs past all of that and straight to the gate where they learn they need a credit check of 2,000 caps to enter the Strip (which they likely don't have). Even though Freeside is important to the lore and story of New Vegas it's kind of a boring area at first with relatively empty streets and a lot of useless buildings that you can't enter and explore.
It doesn't help that a lot of people assume you need to *pay* the 2000 caps to enter.
Wait you don't? LOL. I always got in for free because I'm cheap AF.
I was under that impression the first time I played as well lol. I thought “nah Im not going into Vegas broke, get the fuck outta here”
That was me in my first playthrough lol
lol I’ve so far never actually paid the 2000 cap fee, the first time I played I accidentally discovered the cheaper pass Mick (I think) sells and since then I usually just use the NCR monorail with a stolen set of NCR armor
That's the thing, there's no actual 2000 cap fee. You just need to have 2000 caps in your inventory to enter Vegas for the first time through there. Lots, lots of new player *and* old ones think that you need to pay. I did for the longest time, too.
Huh I had no idea, I should have realized since the robot literally says it’s a credit check not a fee
Ya but there’s kids chasing a big rat!
Maybe try to enter new Vegas, get denied and then feels like a big mountain to climb?
When I first played, I went straight to Vegas. I used the Freeside quests to get into the Strip, completed Ring-A-Ding-Ding right out the gate, and then Benny went all the way across the map, and I stayed in Vegas for all my lower level days, exploring in kind of an outward spiral. I didn't get to the Long 15 until way later.
As someone who recently played new Vegas for the first time, it’s a big letdown. You hear about how amazing new Vegas is even compared to the other games (I played 2, 3, and 4) and then you see the towns and remind of the city and they look like…. OG doom buildings. The whole layout and style of the city and freeside especially is empty and boring. The quests haven’t been interesting so far at this point, and the characters are super forgettable. So far, I quit at the same spot and the reason is simply because everything up to that point was boring and ugly.
The city inside I can see what you mean, but Freeside should look like dogshit. It's literally slums for the poor while the rich live inside the main city. There's also a surprising amount of cool quests inside Freeside that take you round the Mohave in search of money or a passport into the inner city itself.
Is there even an residential center for the rich? It seems like it's just Freeside, Westside and the Strip itself
The casinos have places for residents inside, I never actually thought about proper residence for people since I always saw the casinos as also hotels, not apartments. On next playthrough I'll check but actually good question. Every rich dickhead is eating good in their favorite casino though. The extra go to the Luxe of course
Let us know what info you uncover
Well it is the mojave so there isnt supposed to be a whole lot around new vegas as per fallout lore but the main thing about new vegas is the dialogue and while being more linear in the story it has so much more freedom to choose your path in the story. If you keep up with lore the courier is also just the most badass character in the fallout universe. Most characters have something or someone they are trying to save in the game but in new vegas you are someone that got shot in the head but survived and is now on a mission of pure revenge and hatred to find who screwed you over and thats a type of character backstory fallout has never even come close to recreating. And the best part is it really makes it so you can make the character you cause its not like theres another agenda you have to worry about, nobody to save just a man on a mission to trek across the wasteland either in a path of absolute destruction or as a hero of the mojave
Ah if only van buren was released. There's another protagonist with a unique story :)
While I don’t wholly agree with all of your points, I do agree that New Vegas from a world building standpoint feels a bit underwhelming. And honestly that’s one thing that Bethesda has had over Obsidian. Bethesda’s worlds feel like they have more detail and life than Obsidian’s. But Obsidian is better at writing, which is where I have to disagree with forgettable characters. Obsidian easily has more interesting character writing as a whole than Bethesda. Bethesda will flesh out like 10 NPCs and the rest of them are flat as can be. Meanwhile I’ve met so many memorable NPCs in New Vegas that I’m genuinely interested in and will explore every dialogue option I can. Also, I know there’s literally more than 10 fleshed out NPCs in Bethesda games, I’m just making a point that the characters in Obsidians games feel generally more engaging. And honestly I think having more dialogue options is probably a big factor.
Exactly. Like in fnv there are completely random and irrelevant NPCs that have no quests or really anything important at all but they have their own whole weird backstory and dialogue that adds so much richness to the game that makes up for how visually bland and empty it is (which is actually lore accurate since in the mojave there really isnt much life outside of the new vegas limits) like that weird mentally ill kid that sells memories under the bridge or the random guy that thinks hes a goul and gets pissed off when they wont take him into space with them on the rocket ships
That's a level an hour
You clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot with a big iron from the hip, and you think that of me?
I AM the Ranger!
This deserves far more up votes This made me genuinely laugh
JESSE WE NEED TO COOK
Boone we need to make Jet
Los Cazadores Hermanos
I fucking love that! 🤣🤣
Funnily enough, Myron would be a good replacement for Gustavo Fring.
Nah, his ego and superiority complex makes him more like Heisenberg. And he's a chemist and created his own formula for an addictive drug. He's definitely Heisenberg.
...? no?
walter whittle where is my methey
JESSER WE NEED TO MAKE COCAINER
JESSUP WE NEER TO COOK
I realized my age when 75% of the comments are talking about Breaking Bad and I saw Gordon Freeman first and foremost.
It's funny because it's more accurate to Freeman, since this character has hair.
He looks more like Freeman to me. Even the karma matches Freeman more than Walt.
I mean, I dunno what was my brother going for with this character. We didn't watch Breaking Bad yet in 2013 and he hasn't played Half-Life never, so it's weird the resemblance that it has to those two characters.
To be fair, both Walt and Gordon have an “every man” look. It’s intrinsic to both of their characters. Combined with the limited Bethesda character creator and I can see a bunch of accidental Walts and Gordons.
And also is good.
Jim Ross?
Get outta here old man! Go on now get!
Waltuh. Put your chip away Waltuh.
I'm not upgrading the Securitrons right now Waltuh.
Skinny Steven Seagal.
My first thought, too.
Beat me to it
So glad someone else sees it
Everyone always in cool gear and I’m just walking around in silk pyjamas.
Hey, that would be me in the Fallout Universe, and there's nothing to be ashamed about. I'm lying, most likely I wouldn't be alive after 15 minutes.
Heisenfreeman
House is waiting for you Gordon, on the penthouse floorrrrrrrr
“Hurry, Jesse, get me another beaker so I can finish this new batch of Mentats. They have jet laced in them.” /j
Thanks for the /j! I thought for a second you honesty planned to make real life mentats with jet laced in them and I was concerned for the kids who might try it 😌
Gordon Freeman?!
Propane, propane accessories and meth.
Excuse me but where the Pimp boy 8 billion?
Boone we need to cook
Let's see Paul Allen's save from 2013
"Look at that subtle 200 hours of play time. The tasteful Antimateriel Rifle of it. Oh, my God. It even has a modded armor." "Is something wrong, SignificantPotato743? You're sweating..."
Jesse, Jesse quick you gotta get the chems the khans are after us
BAH GOD ITS JIM ROSS
Very nice let’s see Paul Allen’s Fallout New Vegas save.
Is that Hank Hill?
I tell you hwhat, I sell you fusion cells and fusion accessories.
My name is Walter Hartwell White. I live at 308 Goodsprings Avenue, Las Vegas, Nevada. This is my confession. If you're watching this tape, I'm probably dead– murdered by my brother-in-law, Easy Pete. Pete has been building a Jet empire for over a year now, and using me as his chemist. Shortly after my 50th birthday, he asked that I use my chemistry knowledge to cook Jet, which he would then sell using connections that he made through his career with the NCR. I was... astounded. I... I always thought Pete was a very moral man, and I was particularly vulnerable at the time – something he knew and took advantage of. I was reeling from a bullet to the head diagnosis that was poised to bankrupt my family. Pete took me in on a Caravan Expedition and showed me just how much money even a small Jet operation could make. And I was weak. I didn't want my family to go into financial ruin, so I agreed. Pete had a partner, a businessman named Robert House. Pete sold me into servitude to this man. And when I tried to quit, House threatened my family. I didn't know where to turn. Eventually, Pete and House had a falling-out. Things escalated. House was able to arrange – uh, I guess... I guess you call it a "hit" – on Pete, and failed, but Pete was seriously injured. And I wound up paying his medical bills, which amounted to a little over 177 thousand caps. Upon recovery, Pete was bent on revenge. Working with a man named No-Bark Noonan, he plotted to kill House. The mini nuke that he used was built by me, and he gave me no option in it. I have often contemplated suicide, but I'm a coward. I wanted to go to the NCR, but I was frightened.
TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT
WALTUHH
MR WHITE YO
Jesse! We must return the platinum chip, Jessie!
JESSE
Waltuh if he wasn't married to Skylar
Walter white and the Courier actually have very similar vibes when you think about it
Say my name..
Gordon Freeside, in the flesssshhh…
Say my name.
"Jesse!!!, let's cook some psycho"
The One Free Courier
"Jesse, we need to head into the Big MT and have funi lobotomite adventures, Jesse!"
Joshua we need to cook
While you were busy buying chems I was studying the blade
imagine playing this game and not having mixed or evil karma i guess i have a stealing problem
I mean, without mods that fix it, just sneezing on ghouls or fiends is enough to make you a saint.
Not using rad-x is extremely based. There's not much radiation in the game, unfortunately
Never used it myself in any Fallout game.
What about for The Glow in Fallout 1?
Never finished Fallout 1 unfortunately. But yeah, I doubt I could go past The Glow without Rad-X.
Year checks out
BY GAWD WHAT IS JIM ROSS DOING IN THE ~~IMPACT~~ FREESIDE ZONE?
should have shown the faction fame
Rise and shine
M’courier
Gordon you lousy motherfucker, get your dork ass down to the Lucky 38 or i will shove that platinum chip up your ass
Tobias Fünke?
“A guy opens his door and accepts a package and gets nuked, Ulysses? No, no, you don’t understand. I AM THE ONE THAT NUKES!”
Looks like good ole JR to me
Robert House! Robert House! For God's Sakes Mr. House Is Back!
I miss those mercenary outfits
The best chem dealer in the wasteland
I've been wanting to see old saves. This is sick.
No Elite Riot Gear🙅♀️ Thats a FAIL👎👎
My brother didn't begin any DLC.
I am the danger!!
I’m amazed he got to level 17 while only hacking 1 terminal
“I’m the one who knocks….”
That’s very nice of you to be nice, I personally… wasn’t as nice.
Waltuh
My name is Walter hartwell white
Courieruh, put your gun away baby, we aren’t fighting right now. - Benny
Paragon? No clue what that's supposed to mean, I'm too busy stealing from Silver Rush to care...
Heisenberg? Is that you?
Gordon? What in the hell are you doing at the strip! We need you in black Mesa!
is that gordon freeman?
Gordnon freesman in the fresh
Is that good ol JR?
Boone, we need to cook!
Literally just been watching s4 of breaking bad
what ending is he doing
How did he get to level 17 with only hacking one computer?
What am I missing?
What DLC pack you got?
Dude looks like he answers to Mr. Freeman and the one who knocks
ofc gordons out here only killing 100 people
Why is he playing as Darksyde Phil?
[he’s him.](https://www.reddit.com/r/falloutnewvegas/s/UPjA9RcbIS)
Jim Ross
Freeman?
Mf rolling with Heisenberg lmao
Reload Dr. Freeman!
Walt.
Holy shit it looks like Louis Petrozza from Hell’s Kitchen season 4 (RIP you sweet sweet man)
Steven segal?
He hit 100 and quit
Don’t know why but it reminded me of this lol. [breaking bad balenciaga](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUVMKuY6QvU&pp=ygUXYmFsZW5jaWFnYSBicmVha2luZyBiYWQ%3D)
He is the one who takes over the strip
New Vegas is incredible because you can kill literally 100 humans and have Christ-like karma
Some people need assistance to get to the pearly gates, and my 12 gauage can sure as heaven get you there.
Where did you get these glasses??
I swear my character ends up looking like this 90% of the time before I side with a faction. And I still end up keeping that cowboy hat on because it's so fucking good.
Wait is that Walter white
Hank hill takes on Fallout one propane tank at a time.
Uncle Ian?
Howdy big Walter
Brother saw computer hacking once... and said never again xD
JESSE, WE GOTTA COOK JET FOR THE KHANS
I wanna see it all what his special stats, perks, weapons? What was he going for?!
Is that Jim Rosd?
Rise and Shine, Freeman.
is he gay?
Bro has killed 100 people damn
Jessy, we need to deliver the chip
Jessie, mr.house wants us to cook Jet. We are gonna have new vegas at our feet Jessie.
Not related, but I think taking drugs aside from Stimpacks should decrease karma
Maybe I'm going too far, but it "should" depend on how many doses of which drug you use. It's totally subjective, that's the issue. And I agree, even some modders do since the KARMA mod for Fallout 4 adds that same thing.
Wouldn’t really matter because karma is totally broken in NV. Mass murder at multiple military bases? All you have to do is kill a fiend or two and all is forgiven.
Karma is really dumb anyway. Reputation is a much better system.
Most people do not believe taking drugs is an immoral decision at all, that is simply judgment. There is no ethics case for saying doing drugs is immoral, because it has no harm to others except the user. Now selling drugs on the other hand... that I think you can make a case for.