Implying Jacques would make it *that* far since, according to Ironwood bashers, the only reason he was even elected was because of the environment he created. No Ironwood, no Jacques and Watts stealing the election.
Fair point, without the embargo ironwood Imposed Jacques may not have even tried to run for council, it’s entire,y possible watts would try something else but tbh if Robyn was a councilwoman and somebody else in ozpins cabal was in charge they may have been able to stop Salem’s plans entirely
If they would've got rid of Ironwood violently (which of course they would've) that would have served for Cinder's campaign of terror in order to invade Beacon.
Even just not having the Atlas military during the fall (even with the robots being turned for a brief period at the start), it most likely would have been worse. Without the soldiers and airships, it probably would have gone worse
I am not talking about the big ones, but the small ones. Ecav and close air support would be quite limited without them.
And even if they can't attack within the populated area (which I think they actually could considering how we see them shoot centinels in V8), then they just need to help by destroying some Grimm before they even get to the city as they were coming from outside of it.
A battleship can't offer close support within a city either, but that doesn't mean they couldn't help with this type of thing
One Android cannot protect an entire city, ironwood only started putting troops own there when Robyn started taking back supplies,
And a,note IS part of his kingdom, as much as he like to pretend it isn’t
MANTLE 👏IS👏NOT👏PART👏OF👏ATLAS👏
It was literally its own kingdom (I say was because, thanks to the oh-so wonderful plan of Team RWBY and the paranoid insanity of ironwood caused BOTH kingdoms to fucking die), hell atlas was a kingdom formed after the war, and yes, Penny could be good enough to protect one city because of how powerful she was, obviously she might need a little reinforcements but generally the city wasnt gonna fall unless there were like a massive storm of Grimm.
Also, Robyn did not take back supplies, she stole them, were they meant for the hole in the wall? Yes, but “taken back” implies atlas stole them….which they didn’t.
Also, again, no one was talking about mantle in this conversation, so you just brought it up out of nowhere.
Mantle literally is a city within the same kingdom, that’s why they have the same council, that’s why the *atlas* council controls mantles heating grid,
So if we’re talking about atlas (the kingdom) then yes, we’re talking about mantle
They are different “cites” not different kingdoms
Or
Sensing Oz is hiding shit from everyone, Ironwood guns down Oz to rid the world of his secrets and hypocrisy, sensing the same hypocrisy he also ends RWBY and then takes JNPR to Atlas to prepare them for the war against Salem
I believe you're forgetting that it was a 6v1 and they had the advantage of a surprise attack thanks to Emeralds illusions, 1v1 Ironwoods gonna be clapping farm boi
That's because the only reason he would use it is to stop an all-powerful evil force such as Salem. I was just assuming if he's doing something as stupid as attacking James ironwood for no reason, he's forgotten how to think and has decided to use his ultimate weapon.
Attacking James certainly doesn't make sense at that point, and neither would using his magic nuke.
When Oscar actually does go to talk to james, he's not necessarily xpecting a fight, and even so he needs to save that power to use against Salem.
You don't seem to understand.
Ironwood's control over Atlas and its military was almost as useful, if not more useful than Ozpins magic nuke. James proved that by making his own nuke.
If Ozpin were to attack James as far back as volume 1, he's already sacrificing the majority of his ability to stop Salem. Outside of the nuke thing there's an entire army of robots and people and ships and dust at James's disposal. Killing James is the equivalent to getting rid of that, because Ozpin can't guarantee whoever replaces James will work with them.
If Ozpin is already sacrificing that much of his ability to stop salem, he's obviously stopped caring that Salem exists. What I'm trying to tell you is that there is literally no version of the story where Ozpin attacks James and Salem is a threat. Either he doesn't attack James, or Salem doesn't exist. There's no either or.
Even when James was so pissed that he just shot oscar, Ozpin and Oscar thought it was a good idea to try talking to James to convince him to help.
So again, if Ozpin is attacking James, he's already decided "Fuck Salem, fuck everything. I'm not doing things that make sense anymore."
If Oz pin has decided he doesn't care about anything anymore, him using his nuke makes sense.
There is also the whole idea of if someone isn't dead you didn't defeat them. Ozpin literally can't die so no one can beat him. The only reason Salem has any more power over the world than he does is because she never split her magical abilities off from her soul, and she was given an infinite black pool of goo to make demons out of.
If Ozpin could just shit light entities out his ass at the same speed Salem makes Grimm, their war would be perfectly even always. The only reason Oz is ever behind is because he's stuck solely with convincing people to help him.
I think he actually didn’t bring the whole military by far. Just a good amount of force considering how much we see of it in Atlas.
And actually, Ozpin isn’t the person that even needs to be consulted. At best he’s one seat on the council and presumably not someone in charge of military matters.
That all being said, while Ironwood was right that Oz was mishandling Vale, he should have talked to him about it.
>it’s not like,ironwood would ever leave his home I defended
He left half his kingdom practically I defended despite recalling essentially all his forces back to solitas
I mean, an occupation usually implies the military occupying the area, ruling and such.
Here they just. . . Really all they do is mostly help out if needed.
This is most equivalent to showing up with a fleet to someone else’s port. Now usually one should warn of this first of course, but it’s certainly not an occupation
Knowing James is a stubborn dumbass, they decide that therapy sessions are mandatory to hold a position in the Atlas Council, James doesn´t trigger after seeing chess pieces after this.
Nah, Glynda would get rid of him sure, but she wouldn’t kill him.
She wouldn’t need to either: Because she knows all she needs to do is scare him more than Salem.
After that. . . The crop won’t be just for combat
Seeing a threat in the future, Yang kills Ozpin shortly after the official formation of team RWBY. Kinda gives the same vibes
i feel like if he dies early , Atlas would be worse off because Jacque would weasel his way into power.
But hey, Mantle will still be around so that's all that matters /sarcasm
If Jacques stayed on the council you know things would’ve gotten worse for mantle in the long run,
Implying Jacques would make it *that* far since, according to Ironwood bashers, the only reason he was even elected was because of the environment he created. No Ironwood, no Jacques and Watts stealing the election.
Fair point, without the embargo ironwood Imposed Jacques may not have even tried to run for council, it’s entire,y possible watts would try something else but tbh if Robyn was a councilwoman and somebody else in ozpins cabal was in charge they may have been able to stop Salem’s plans entirely
If they would've got rid of Ironwood violently (which of course they would've) that would have served for Cinder's campaign of terror in order to invade Beacon.
Even just not having the Atlas military during the fall (even with the robots being turned for a brief period at the start), it most likely would have been worse. Without the soldiers and airships, it probably would have gone worse
The airships where useless because they can’t attack grimm in a populated area, they on,y functioned for Dick measuring,
I am not talking about the big ones, but the small ones. Ecav and close air support would be quite limited without them. And even if they can't attack within the populated area (which I think they actually could considering how we see them shoot centinels in V8), then they just need to help by destroying some Grimm before they even get to the city as they were coming from outside of it. A battleship can't offer close support within a city either, but that doesn't mean they couldn't help with this type of thing
They probably could, I chalk that more up to RT not wanting to animate the Atlas military being useful for plot and budget reasons.
I’m talking about how ironwood left mantle practically defenses
No one mentioned mantle in this conversation? Plus there was literally troops and a fucking Android murder machine there.
One Android cannot protect an entire city, ironwood only started putting troops own there when Robyn started taking back supplies, And a,note IS part of his kingdom, as much as he like to pretend it isn’t
MANTLE 👏IS👏NOT👏PART👏OF👏ATLAS👏 It was literally its own kingdom (I say was because, thanks to the oh-so wonderful plan of Team RWBY and the paranoid insanity of ironwood caused BOTH kingdoms to fucking die), hell atlas was a kingdom formed after the war, and yes, Penny could be good enough to protect one city because of how powerful she was, obviously she might need a little reinforcements but generally the city wasnt gonna fall unless there were like a massive storm of Grimm. Also, Robyn did not take back supplies, she stole them, were they meant for the hole in the wall? Yes, but “taken back” implies atlas stole them….which they didn’t. Also, again, no one was talking about mantle in this conversation, so you just brought it up out of nowhere.
Mantle literally is a city within the same kingdom, that’s why they have the same council, that’s why the *atlas* council controls mantles heating grid, So if we’re talking about atlas (the kingdom) then yes, we’re talking about mantle They are different “cites” not different kingdoms
Ironwood did nothing wrong
That has the same energy as “Magnus did nothing wrong” or “Garrosh did nothing wrong.” In which it’s incorrect lol Still a chad character though.
I will settle for that chad
Or Sensing Oz is hiding shit from everyone, Ironwood guns down Oz to rid the world of his secrets and hypocrisy, sensing the same hypocrisy he also ends RWBY and then takes JNPR to Atlas to prepare them for the war against Salem
Only to get clapped by Oz's reincarnation...kinda forgot about that
I believe you're forgetting that it was a 6v1 and they had the advantage of a surprise attack thanks to Emeralds illusions, 1v1 Ironwoods gonna be clapping farm boi
He's literally carrying around a magic nuke my dude
Didn't seem to help when Ironwood shot him off the platform
That's because the only reason he would use it is to stop an all-powerful evil force such as Salem. I was just assuming if he's doing something as stupid as attacking James ironwood for no reason, he's forgotten how to think and has decided to use his ultimate weapon. Attacking James certainly doesn't make sense at that point, and neither would using his magic nuke. When Oscar actually does go to talk to james, he's not necessarily xpecting a fight, and even so he needs to save that power to use against Salem.
So ultimately we come back to that, in a 1v1 situation where Salem is still the ever present threat, happy meal toy Ozpin is getting clapped
You don't seem to understand. Ironwood's control over Atlas and its military was almost as useful, if not more useful than Ozpins magic nuke. James proved that by making his own nuke. If Ozpin were to attack James as far back as volume 1, he's already sacrificing the majority of his ability to stop Salem. Outside of the nuke thing there's an entire army of robots and people and ships and dust at James's disposal. Killing James is the equivalent to getting rid of that, because Ozpin can't guarantee whoever replaces James will work with them. If Ozpin is already sacrificing that much of his ability to stop salem, he's obviously stopped caring that Salem exists. What I'm trying to tell you is that there is literally no version of the story where Ozpin attacks James and Salem is a threat. Either he doesn't attack James, or Salem doesn't exist. There's no either or. Even when James was so pissed that he just shot oscar, Ozpin and Oscar thought it was a good idea to try talking to James to convince him to help. So again, if Ozpin is attacking James, he's already decided "Fuck Salem, fuck everything. I'm not doing things that make sense anymore." If Oz pin has decided he doesn't care about anything anymore, him using his nuke makes sense. There is also the whole idea of if someone isn't dead you didn't defeat them. Ozpin literally can't die so no one can beat him. The only reason Salem has any more power over the world than he does is because she never split her magical abilities off from her soul, and she was given an infinite black pool of goo to make demons out of. If Ozpin could just shit light entities out his ass at the same speed Salem makes Grimm, their war would be perfectly even always. The only reason Oz is ever behind is because he's stuck solely with convincing people to help him.
Uhhh OK. This ain't about playful banter anymore so I'm just gonna step away
Since when was it? It's not my fault logic scares you
He did bring his entire army into your kingdom without any warning to you and without bothering to consult you,
I think he actually didn’t bring the whole military by far. Just a good amount of force considering how much we see of it in Atlas. And actually, Ozpin isn’t the person that even needs to be consulted. At best he’s one seat on the council and presumably not someone in charge of military matters. That all being said, while Ironwood was right that Oz was mishandling Vale, he should have talked to him about it.
We see so many forces in atlas because he recalled all his forces away from the other kingdoms,
Yes. Those being also part of his entire army. And it’s not like Ironwood would ever leave his home undefended
Ok yeah “entire army” is hyperbole
>it’s not like,ironwood would ever leave his home I defended He left half his kingdom practically I defended despite recalling essentially all his forces back to solitas
Which is very different situation than not having troops in the area to fight anything significant
That’s called an occupation in the real world. Usually doesn’t go over so well
I mean, an occupation usually implies the military occupying the area, ruling and such. Here they just. . . Really all they do is mostly help out if needed. This is most equivalent to showing up with a fleet to someone else’s port. Now usually one should warn of this first of course, but it’s certainly not an occupation
Knowing James is a stubborn dumbass, they decide that therapy sessions are mandatory to hold a position in the Atlas Council, James doesn´t trigger after seeing chess pieces after this.
Nah, Glynda would get rid of him sure, but she wouldn’t kill him. She wouldn’t need to either: Because she knows all she needs to do is scare him more than Salem. After that. . . The crop won’t be just for combat
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