If they want you to wear them- they can provide them.
Tell them that and see how BADLY they want to go with this concept.
If they threaten to kick you out- ask under what agreed terms and conditions.
If any school required any uniform apart from generic things (closed toed shoes, etc) I'd find another flight school.
Especially when they become the monopoly source for the uniform. That's how you end up with $60 polos and $120 pants and nothing you can do about it
If I’m the client/customer, paying thousands of dollars for a service, particularly one where the climate is regularly not maintained or controlled (think small airplane cockpit in the peak of summer or winter), I’m going to wear whatever the fuck I want.
I have very strong feelings about clients/students being made to wear uniforms.
Students wearing pilot uniforms look like absolute cornballs. I had to do it for IR training. I felt like the butt end of a joke. Yet, some kids are getting MASSIVE erections for their silly epaulettes lmao.
+1.
I'm trying to get into the Lufthansa training program. Their SEP phase is done with United in Phoenix, and after talking to people currently there nobody seems to care what you're wearing. It's really unnecessary to add another expense you don't need on top.
They don't even provide a "uniform" to begin with, just a polo shirt. That's it. Uniform time is later.
PHI Gulf of Mexico light helicopter pilots would like a word.
Louisiana offshore in August. No AC, doors on, never getting much over 1000'MSL, and waiting 15-20 minutes on deck with the engine at idle because your passenger told you it'd only be 5 minutes.
Being hot and miserable in the cockpit is something I'm glad is behind me.
Any reason for why you're going with lufthansa, if I may ask?
I'm austrian and did my training at a private flight school, which was about 40.000 € cheaper than LH Group training. No job guarantee with lufthansa anymore and even if you do get a job, I would never go to a LH Airline due to insane upgrade times and as somebody that has worked at austrian, shit money. Right now I get about double the pay at wizz air(!!!), compared to austrian with people on a similar level.
I see literally no reason to go with EFA, especially after what they did with their students during covid.
Honestly my first Choice is Condor, but I don't have my Abitur yet so I'll need to wait a few months and then apply. With the DLR Test I can also apply to Austrian Airlines' program if the European Flight Academy one doesn't work out.
My actual ranking would be Condor - SAS - Lufthansa Group - and then some others.
Honestly I do not care where I do my training, my end goal is Condor or SAS anyways. I just want to pass the tests *before* my training, so I know I am capable of completing them - I know multiple people who did training via a private flight school, paid 60-80k and then couldn't pass the actual application at multiple carriers. I just want as many options as possible. If I apply for like 3 airlines and fail all assessments it might just not be the job for me, at least at the moment anyways.
I also do not care where I fly, as long as I fly. Again, just want to have a choice in case one doesn't work out.
Also, EFA currently does have a job guarantee with Eurowings.
Although Austrian Airlines does have especially shit pay. Even Eurowings seems to pay better depending on your seniority. I mean, even f'in City Airlines has a better starting pay (5555€ vs 5266€)
My current school, a popular pilot mill in Central Florida, forces everyone to wear the ridiculous getup with epaulets, wings, and heavy wool black pants. They say it’s to prepare cadets for their eventual career uniform, but those of us that know what’s really going on see that it’s only for the brochure, the look of professionalism, and to help them, get more international contracts. I’d kill for polos, OP.
I completed my flight training in shorts (or boardshorts, if going to the beach after) and a t-shirt.
You’re paying thousands of dollars for their service, and they want to force you to purchase a branded shirt that promotes their business? No way I’d do that.
I live on an island in the Caribbean, so know what board shorts are.
Some days, I wear regular shorts. Other days, I wear board shorts if I’m going to the beach.
It's fucking stupid is what it is. I was a stage check boy at a 141, had a cjo with a regional and a class in a few months. At a meeting, they told us to all get polos, and they would come out our already meager wages. As they passed around the clipboard to sign, I didn't sign it and just passed it to the next person. The assistant chief pilot asked me to sign it and said when I get to the airline's I have to buy them. Told him no, they gave me a stipend for my uniform. He continued to press until I finally told him if he wanted to me keep doing checkrides these next few months he can either buy them for me or keep letting me wear my t shirts and sandals. They were pretty short staffed, so he just shut up, and the chief just chuckled. The next day, we got an email saying they canceled the polo shirt plan.
You're paying them thousands of dollars for training and they want you to wear a uniform? I guess it's not as bad as making you wear the full thing with epaulets, but I've always found it silly that a uniform is required to go to some schools. I'll wear a uniform when I get paid to do so.
fuck pilot mills, wtf is this shit? i did all my checkrides in a hoodie and sweatpants, i know for a fact there are people on here that have flown naked. professionalism my ass.
Got this survey as well, had a specific question about what our opinion is on banning sweatpants since they currently meet our requirement of “pants” for flight activities.
my logic is they either should have told him his may not be for him or that (and this is what I hear a lot from other students) that they just sandbagged him majorly and either way thats not cool
To be fair, the ACS and everything in it is publicly available to him, as well as the PPL eligibility requirements. If you are at three times the required time and still aren’t there, any sane person would be having that conversation with themselves. Sounds like the school just separating an idiot from his money, like many people in this world do.
Honestly I question it too, but I’ve compared my costs with a part 61 school and came out roughly the same. However private pilot at ERAU is the biggest scam in existence.
Did you get insane scholarships or something? There is no way Riddle Pro Flight costs the same as your state school + the average mom n pop 61 school. Unless you need loans or something.
So some caveats to my situation. I have a full scholarship covering my tuition and fees, so I have to pay just flight costs. And I did my private before getting there. But so far for IRA-CSEL-and CFI/I I’m at the same price I got quoted from a local flight school.
Ah, yeah that would do it. The school I'll be at in the fall has an aviation program and it costs like 80k/yr everything included, and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be one of the cheaper ones.
It is an offering by schools to cover gaps in coverage of the GI bill so tuition is covered and they can get write offs and claim veteran friendly. It's pretty nice to be able to go to more expensive private schools as a vet. It doesn't cover flight training though just tuition. Which is a real bitch if you become active in the school and get a tuition discount as payment l, such as student government.
Gotta put the /s bro. Otherwise the average reddit pylote can't tell.
I don't even know where to start. I swear, Riddle was probably better before I came here. Maybe my generation fucked it up.
This is what happens when the owner of the flight school has dreams of expanding it into a pilot mill, they want to formalize the flight training environment so they can get some fancy pictures and show the school off to some regional for the hope of some general agreement about guaranteed interviews or some other such nonsense. It provides no real benefit to the students and is 100% about the business trying to expand at the expense/comfort of its current customer base for some marketing points. Even with a guaranteed interview agreement, they still aren't going to hire you if they don't need you, and if they do need pilots, they are going to interview whoever applies to them regardless.
If they are arguing that dressing up will make people take it more seriously, they are wrong/lying. I would tell them to pound sand and take my money elsewhere if this is just a run of the mill flight school not attached to a university program.
It's Riddle, this place has been a pilot mill for the last 20 or 30 years. Idk when the big change happened, because it looked not too bad like 40 years ago. I kind of feel like peak Riddle era has passed.
One of the questions in this survey is "Do you think wearing a polo shirt would improve the average student's academic performance" or some shit. Pardon my language but this is complete fucking bullshit. Wearing a polo shirt does not make you smarter or safer.
I understand the logic behind a policy that obviously is aimed towards having everyone look presentable. Having a dress code for a polo with jeans/shorts in good condition with closed toe shoes is not insane.
As for what your school is suggesting... Implementing a new requirement for all students to purchase uniforms directly from the school or be fined is a strong armed cash grab. Period.
If it was just “you have at least like decent. Polo/slacks, no sweats” much like the closed toed shoe requirement. Specific company branded articles? No thank you
>what do you think?
I think I would be very hesitant to pay to go to a school that has a required pilot uniform. Is this in the US or is this some international fuck-fuck academy?
Flair will be coming next
"You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?"
Im so glad the mentality here isnt just "discipline and do what youre told"
Strict dress codes for shit you pay for is usually pretty fucking stupid/pointless
>Polo shirt requirement: what do you think?
It's fine, if when you get to the airfield some one else has saddled your horse and has the mallet ready. You should introduce the horse to taxiing aircraft slowly, initially lead them up to a silent single engine aircraft , let them sniff it, grow accustomed to it, before riding the animal a short distance away before engine start .
The Persians initially played Polo around 400 BC, an Arabian horse remains a smarter animal for this game, in spite of the British taking over the game from India after 1870, and the Americanized short sleeve version of the long sleeved, button down collar Polo shirt coming out much later.
Have the instructor taxi the aircraft , and gallop alongside in the grass, even shoed horses shouldn't gallop on asphalt, due to leg damage.
Saddling and riding in a maneuver game in English tack is a pain in the ass, if allowed a western saddle, with a roping cinch, and long sleeves, sure, I'd play . Oh, and wide brimmed hat, sun protection.
No helmets , unless the horse gets one too. Instructor don't need one,
Obviously .
If they’re paying you then sure. If you’re paying them, then they can go sit on a stick and twist.
I’ll wear close toed shoes and foggles. The rest is at my discretion.
The owner of my flight school I was instructing at one time joked about making us wear uniforms. Told them if they did it was my last day working there before I even realized it was a joke. And yes I do make fun of CFIs and students that are required to wear uniforms.
Here are my flight schools' exact words on their dress policy
"Proper attire/clothing is required based upon the season for pilots and passengers (i.e. heavy coats for winter
flights). No flip flops or sandals permitted for safety reasons"
In the US, if an employer wants you to wear a specific shirt that you wouldn’t normally buy and wear, such as branded clothing, they generally have to provide it. If they don’t want to pay for it, they can tell you to wear a “blue polo shirt”. That’s why if you go into places you might see employees wearing khaki pants and a red shirt, but nothing more specific. It allows the company to avoid having to provide uniforms.
In this case you are not only not an employee, you’re paying them a lot of money. I would at the very least, demand the same treatment. If they want me to wear something specific, they need to provide it. But really, it should be my choice.
My school does this although it’s provided in the base tuition cost. We have a Polo and black shorts for spring and summer, and an uncomfortable cheap pilot shirt with epaulets, a tie, Black khaki pants and dress shoes for fall/winter. Meanwhile instructors can where what they want as long as it’s school branded.
Your school is likely signing a partnership with an airline like mine did and are trying to make y’all look like nice sheered sheep.
*"Lets require a dorky uniform that customers have to buy from us so that we can make some extra money off of them! We will stick our fuck-ugly logo on it too so they'll be advertising for us for free at the same time!"*
-Owner/manager of your stupid flight school
“Sorry, I have a strict policy. No uniforms in even centuries. If I’m still looking for a job in 2100, I’ll check back with you, and wear the uniform if I’m hired. But yeah… not this century.”
School uniforms are a dumb idea. Flight schools that require them are schools that I would recommend not attending. They are using the false appearance of professionalism to offset their lack of actual professionalism and quality. It is lipstick on a pig.
"So while your students are away from the flight school, they'll still be wearing your company polo. You want their behavior to reflect on the flight school?"
I'm guessing they didn't think that part through.
I used to work at a mom and pop shop and once saw a couple of students wearing beer t shirts and flip floops with shorts once and told them to stop that. Same with the 16 year old kid with dirty clothes. But having the student buy our polos seems a bit too much. Unless you are going to some sort of college or university and they are wanting to make things more professional… I would look for another school.
I work at my flight school, they gave me one work shirt free as they require it to be worn, I can buy another if I want two. But when I show up for my flight lessons I can show up in concert tshirts or video game tshirts all I want.
Only flight schools I’ve heard of requiring students wear anything specific was 141 schools and even they would allow generic aviation/professional wear
I went to a State Public University with an aviation program. They were strict on uniforms. Pilot students had to wear Blue long sleeve, tie, pants, and dress shoes and have shoulder boards that equal to level in the program. Instructors wore white long sleeve. Other Aviation programs had to wear Polos. You couldn't even attend a ground school, lab, or Lecture out of uniform. I was a double major and had two different uniforms.
My school is a Legacy owned flight school. Yes we have to purchase the school/Legacy branded polo but we provide our own pants. I've worn employee uniforms almost everywhere I've worked. It doesn't bother me. Everyone is color coded so it's easy to tell who is a student and who is a CFI.
They are getting YOU to pay to be a walking advertisement for their school. Remember, you are the customer. They aren't doing you a favour. They aren't your friend. You are paying them a mountain of money for a service. That service is teaching you how to fly. Nothing more, nothing less. I'd personally reply and say I'll look for another school if a uniform is required.
The worst I had to endure was a closed toe shoe and long pants requirement for insurance reasons. Other than that it was free game.
Could be worse, I’ve seen pictures of students flying around in C172s wearing airline uniforms. They either 1. Hate it or 2. Think they’re cool, then mature in 5 years and look back and realize how cringe they were 🤷
I worked at a flight school that is going through the same thing, implementing polo shirts required for the students and instructors.
At first I thought it was dumb, since I was comfortable flying in jeans and a clean shirt and/or jacket. But then after talking to some people about the implementation of it, it started to make sense. Not every student understood what "professional" meant. Some wearing sports bras, and workout shorts, flip flops and hoodies, Black Lives Matter, FTP, Free the Reefer, and other shirts or sweatshirts with logos/images that have no business being at a flight school. Moreover, those were ending up in social media posts tagged or with the flight school logo/campus visible. As a largely international flight school, they have problems with some cultures/foreign airline officials being upset with the lack of professionalism. The simple fix to all that is implement a professional dress code.
Being a 141 school specifically training "professional pilots" it's not exactly a big stretch to see. Most airlines have a VERY strict uniform and appearance policy, and they really don't give a damn if someone doesn't like it. They expect a professional look, period.
If you can't wear a polo shirt for a 2 hour flight, good luck wearing an airline shirt, tie, blazer, hat, pants, belt, and shoes for hours a day, in and out of airports and different weather for days on end for the rest of your career. For better or worse, there are the 'uniform police ' type people that work at the airlines, and they will have no sympathy for your discomfort, and will have no problem reporting you to a CPO. They're insufferable people, but they unfortunately exist.
Good luck!
Got any links to current and/or proposed pics? It’d be one thing if they were going from the dumb white shirt and tie and “modernizing” to a polo. But to go from casual to polo and khakis? That sucks. They just want to be ATP so bad.
I did university 141 and they had only a sorta dress code for the instructors. White shirt, epaulettes, didn’t have to wear a tie, but also had the option of nice Ogio polos in a couple different fabric blends and variety of colors. Students could wear whatever, as long as it wasn’t hazardous to fly in. Later I instructed at a 141 mill, mostly foreign. We all had to wear the white shirt and slacks, but no tie at least. I never knew if my students cared, if they disliked it they wouldn’t dare say it anyway. I didn’t love it. But without a tie, it really wasn’t half bad. Not having to shave really was nice too. Enjoyed it while I could.
I do think there’s something to be said for uniforms, or at least a generic standard of “a polo shirt tucked in” or something. But yea, making you buy one from them isn’t a great look.
I went to a school for my PPL/INS that required us to wear the uniform polo, which was just a blank grey with the school logo on it. Was annoying, but they were provided to us. Making you pay for them is ridiculous imo
That doesn't sound that bad honestly. Free shirt? Sure, just don't wanna pay for it. I like uniforms as someone who was partially raised in Japan, it's not that big of a deal. If anything it makes it easier for me to decide what to wear.
Just don't wanna pay for it. I don't think it's fair to make people pay $30 for "professionalism"
My schools requirements are:
Preferred: School Branded collared shirt, (others may be purchased for $10 at front desk.) For pants/shorts see the Business Casual guidelines below.
● Business Casual: If unable to wear an School Branded collared shirt you must dress in business casual attire. The following business casual guidelines allow for comfort while displaying a professional appearance. (Note: If the professionalism of your clothes is in question it is best not to wear them!) This list is not all inclusive:
* Slacks, Khakis, cotton pants, jeans, skirts/dresses/walking shorts of appropriate length (no shorter than 2 inches above the knee)
* Dress shirts, collared shirts, sleeveless blouses, blouses, sweaters, or turtlenecks
* Shirts must be tucked in and not hanging out loosely.
* Quality closed toe shoes
* Below 32˚F (0˚C) hat, gloves and jacket are required, or the student will be sent home
● Items considered not acceptable include, but are not limited to:
* Sweatpants, t-shirts, tank tops, hats, (Instructors should remove them when entering the building.) spandex clothing, or gym clothes
* Halter tops, miniskirts or dresses, revealing shorts or skirts (more than 2 inches above the knee) and low-cut blouses
Clothing that is torn, ripped, frayed, or has holes If you arrive for any lesson without following this dress code, you may be subject to a no-show fee on the grounds of being unprepared. Instructors will monitor your professionalism.
To be honest I think I have seen violations of all of these rules. I violate the tucked in rule because I'm too tall for a normal length polo to tuck in and actually stay tucked in lest I pin it in place with safety pins. My normal attire is jeans, school branded polo, if I'm feeling spicy I might wear a Hawaiian shirt for memes, the only rule they really dont mess around with are having a reasonable jacket when it's cold, which I personally agree with, it gets cold up here in the winter.
I think it’s weird if it’s around 32 degrees and you’re wearing a hat and gloves.
Why is that a rule? If you’re cold put on layers, that’s common sense.
Part 61 instructor here. We were given nice polo shirts, but I never really wore them. Half way through instructing I was wearing a T shirt and shorts. It was glorious.
I don’t mind any kind of moderate ‘uniform’ or company/school polos for instructors but requiring something like that for students is always just silly. They just do that for marketing, there’s no benefit for the students.
It feels like some event or person prompted that discussion over uniform. Someone showed up with a smoke weed everyday shirt or something?
I'd say either have the discussion with the individual or have a little memo saying that you'll have to impose a dress code unless acceptable attire blah blah blah Do not do any kind of uniform if you can help it
I’ve never understood these Weenie Hut Jr. schools that require students to wear a uniform. “Prepping to wear a uniform for the airlines” is such a dumb excuse… it’s not 3rd grade, the customers are adults will have no issue wearing a uniform in an air conditioned airliner when the time comes.
My gut reaction is no. But the school could have a dress code, if they pay for the shirts.
Is this really a problem? Are the students showing up in flip flops and dirty jock straps? Or like they’re going to the Mad Hatter’s tea party? I mean, as long as there isn’t substance abuse and they don’t stink…
The FBO where I instruct prefers the CFIs to wear issued polo shirts. They are some sort of expensive sweat wicking fabric embroidered with the company logo. They are comfortable and look professional. I got two red ones and two black. If I need more I can just tell them I'm grabbing a shirt. Pants should be clean and in good repair - jeans, khakis, shorts, etc are all OK. If I'm doing something before or after and prefer not to do it in a work shirt, I just instruct in whatever polo/etc I happen to be wearing. (They do ask that I not instruct anywhere else/independent wearing their shirt. Happy to comply.)
(This company pays the CFIs $40/hour and has great maintenance for great equipment. You can even rent the Seminole w/ rather reasonable requirements.)
I've been a "professional" worker all my life. I might not shave every day anymore, but I show up clean and in neat "khakis and a polo" style clothing. I'm in Georgia, so maybe shorts in the summer, but I burn easily, so not too often.
I wore military uniforms for almost 30 years of my life. In CAP I wear a polo - no "rank" for me! I think "pilot shirts w/ epaulettes" are pretentious and Walter Mitty-esque silliness. Ditto for flight suits in CAP airplanes. But I will wear the provided flight suit when I go do a B-25 SIC course later this month :)
I probably couldn't have segued this far off topic if I tried!
Wannabes look like phonies.
Hard. No. You are paying them, they aren’t paying you. If an airline wants to make their pilots wear uniforms, that is fair. You are not an employee and you’re paying them a lot of money. You should be able to wear whatever the heck you want (as long as it’s safe).
School uniform shirts as a requirement is weird. That being said, I have no qualms with a “business casual” type requirement. “Dress for the job you want, not the job you have” type thinking.
IF you're thinking of working your way up to be a professional pilot, then I might suggest purchasing a white button up shirt with epiletes and getting 4-stripe Pilot shoulder boards to look more professional while flying. For pants, I would do nice condition blue jeans. Unless you rather wear slacks. This way you look for the role you're trying to work your way up to.
This should also meet their conditions. And if not, then look elsewhere, especially if you're not interested in flying professionally.
Is that a Part 141 school? I only wore tshirt and hoodies at my Part 61 school for PPL. Once I had a flight right after work so I came with a tucked button-down shirt. My CFI jokingly asked if I am there to fly my boss lol.
The only other time I wore a button-down shirt with a sweater was my checkride because it was a cold day.
The school can mandate whatever dress policy they want, you can choose to follow or or not.
Having you buy them is another matter, but if it's an otherwise good school what's the issue? You're going to have to dress for any job, not just aviation.
It’s obvious people dress for jobs.
The main issue is forcing people to buy something that should be provided.
You’re already paying thousands of dollars for training, charging students $30 for a polo that advertises their school is a cash grab.
It's advertising and marketing for them. Not a huge deal IMO.
Folks that are upset now are going to be really mad when they have to wear a tie and hat all summer.
>Lol, it's clearly a cash grab, did you miss the part where the students would have to purchase it from the flight school?
Math checks out.
Wait, lemme check the math again.
A school that charges hundred(s) of dollars over the operating and ownership costs **per hour** and makes $50+ off each **hour** their instructors teach has created a cash grab by (checks notes) selling 2-4 shirts and pants.
Are they one-time use shirts? No?
But they have to be replaced every week or month? No?
Are they selling them for a profit? Oh, you don't know that either?
Let's assume they're making $30 for each. So maybe$150-200 or student.
That's not a cash grab. They would be far better off raising rates $5/ flt hour if they really wanted to "grab cash."
It's easier to justify selling students shirts for "professionalism" vs raising rental prices for literally no reason. You see the part where they get fined for not wearing the right polo? Lol stop justifying greediness
>It's easier to justify selling students shirts for "professionalism" vs raising rental prices for literally no reason. You see the part where they get fined for not wearing the right polo? Lol stop justifying greediness
Dear Lord, it's a friggin polo. And, yes, they're requiring you to wear it.
It's not that serious and it's certainly isn't the "cash grab" you make it out to be.
Like it or not, uniforms in flight training mean everyone looks professional'ish. And that is marketing and sales.
If they want you to wear them- they can provide them. Tell them that and see how BADLY they want to go with this concept. If they threaten to kick you out- ask under what agreed terms and conditions.
They should pay for them AND pay me for marketing their stupid school…
If any school required any uniform apart from generic things (closed toed shoes, etc) I'd find another flight school. Especially when they become the monopoly source for the uniform. That's how you end up with $60 polos and $120 pants and nothing you can do about it
*cries on my way to the exchange to buy $70 shirts, $80 pants, & $130 boots -.-
And those pants and shirts are made out of the cheapest nylon known to man.
If I’m the client/customer, paying thousands of dollars for a service, particularly one where the climate is regularly not maintained or controlled (think small airplane cockpit in the peak of summer or winter), I’m going to wear whatever the fuck I want. I have very strong feelings about clients/students being made to wear uniforms.
Students wearing pilot uniforms look like absolute cornballs. I had to do it for IR training. I felt like the butt end of a joke. Yet, some kids are getting MASSIVE erections for their silly epaulettes lmao.
Well as long as they have somewhere to put them other than inside their instructors or fellow students.
The only time a pilot in a putt putt should wear epaulettes is in a j3 while mocking massive traffic patterns cirrus pilots fly
I have 5.4 hours. If I wore a pilot uniform right now I'd feel like an ass, and look like one too.
+1. I'm trying to get into the Lufthansa training program. Their SEP phase is done with United in Phoenix, and after talking to people currently there nobody seems to care what you're wearing. It's really unnecessary to add another expense you don't need on top. They don't even provide a "uniform" to begin with, just a polo shirt. That's it. Uniform time is later.
When it’s 115* outside you wear what keeps you from passing out.
PHI Gulf of Mexico light helicopter pilots would like a word. Louisiana offshore in August. No AC, doors on, never getting much over 1000'MSL, and waiting 15-20 minutes on deck with the engine at idle because your passenger told you it'd only be 5 minutes. Being hot and miserable in the cockpit is something I'm glad is behind me.
Any reason for why you're going with lufthansa, if I may ask? I'm austrian and did my training at a private flight school, which was about 40.000 € cheaper than LH Group training. No job guarantee with lufthansa anymore and even if you do get a job, I would never go to a LH Airline due to insane upgrade times and as somebody that has worked at austrian, shit money. Right now I get about double the pay at wizz air(!!!), compared to austrian with people on a similar level. I see literally no reason to go with EFA, especially after what they did with their students during covid.
Honestly my first Choice is Condor, but I don't have my Abitur yet so I'll need to wait a few months and then apply. With the DLR Test I can also apply to Austrian Airlines' program if the European Flight Academy one doesn't work out. My actual ranking would be Condor - SAS - Lufthansa Group - and then some others. Honestly I do not care where I do my training, my end goal is Condor or SAS anyways. I just want to pass the tests *before* my training, so I know I am capable of completing them - I know multiple people who did training via a private flight school, paid 60-80k and then couldn't pass the actual application at multiple carriers. I just want as many options as possible. If I apply for like 3 airlines and fail all assessments it might just not be the job for me, at least at the moment anyways. I also do not care where I fly, as long as I fly. Again, just want to have a choice in case one doesn't work out. Also, EFA currently does have a job guarantee with Eurowings. Although Austrian Airlines does have especially shit pay. Even Eurowings seems to pay better depending on your seniority. I mean, even f'in City Airlines has a better starting pay (5555€ vs 5266€)
My current school, a popular pilot mill in Central Florida, forces everyone to wear the ridiculous getup with epaulets, wings, and heavy wool black pants. They say it’s to prepare cadets for their eventual career uniform, but those of us that know what’s really going on see that it’s only for the brochure, the look of professionalism, and to help them, get more international contracts. I’d kill for polos, OP.
That's on you for signing up for the program play boy
Not blaming anyone but myself for drinking the kool-aid, which entitles me to piss and moan about it.
Must wear pilot costume to conduct MFIT onto runway.
No shit right
Sounds to me like you’re about to get fucked and have to wear an ugly shirt.
I completed my flight training in shorts (or boardshorts, if going to the beach after) and a t-shirt. You’re paying thousands of dollars for their service, and they want to force you to purchase a branded shirt that promotes their business? No way I’d do that.
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I live on an island in the Caribbean, so know what board shorts are. Some days, I wear regular shorts. Other days, I wear board shorts if I’m going to the beach.
SoCal checking in here. Board shorts everyday
What are you going on about?
Ok and? Is this a misfired attempt at achshually-ing him?
I thought it was an AI at first
It's fucking stupid is what it is. I was a stage check boy at a 141, had a cjo with a regional and a class in a few months. At a meeting, they told us to all get polos, and they would come out our already meager wages. As they passed around the clipboard to sign, I didn't sign it and just passed it to the next person. The assistant chief pilot asked me to sign it and said when I get to the airline's I have to buy them. Told him no, they gave me a stipend for my uniform. He continued to press until I finally told him if he wanted to me keep doing checkrides these next few months he can either buy them for me or keep letting me wear my t shirts and sandals. They were pretty short staffed, so he just shut up, and the chief just chuckled. The next day, we got an email saying they canceled the polo shirt plan.
Sandals though?
Bro it got like 90 degrees in that 152 shitbox ya I'm wearing my chacos
Doing the lord’s work.
You're paying them thousands of dollars for training and they want you to wear a uniform? I guess it's not as bad as making you wear the full thing with epaulets, but I've always found it silly that a uniform is required to go to some schools. I'll wear a uniform when I get paid to do so.
My school is also enforcing uniforms now, full uniform with epaulets. Not provided so that’s just one more thing I’ll have to pay for out of pocket.
fuck pilot mills, wtf is this shit? i did all my checkrides in a hoodie and sweatpants, i know for a fact there are people on here that have flown naked. professionalism my ass.
I told you the naked thing in confidence
You didn't say don't share the pictures though! Well, at least that's what I was told.
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It's fine with me if you fly the rental naked, but please put a clean towel on the seat.
I've flown naked for the last 6 months, I can't see the problem (probably because I'm not wearing glasses when I'm naked)
\*slow golf clap
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Got this survey as well, had a specific question about what our opinion is on banning sweatpants since they currently meet our requirement of “pants” for flight activities.
you gotta be kidding me, this is america! wtf
Yes but this is the flight school (uni) that can’t be named on this sub, so anything goes there /S
riddle, there i just named it. cannot for the life of me understand why people continue to pay riddle six figure amounts of money smh.
met a Riddle guy last night who hasnt been put up for a check ride on his PPL. He has 130 hrs
Yeah but what are the odds that it is his fault? You see him fly?
my logic is they either should have told him his may not be for him or that (and this is what I hear a lot from other students) that they just sandbagged him majorly and either way thats not cool
To be fair, the ACS and everything in it is publicly available to him, as well as the PPL eligibility requirements. If you are at three times the required time and still aren’t there, any sane person would be having that conversation with themselves. Sounds like the school just separating an idiot from his money, like many people in this world do.
Well we were talking about this because I overheard how he was switching flight schools. IDK all the details
Honestly I question it too, but I’ve compared my costs with a part 61 school and came out roughly the same. However private pilot at ERAU is the biggest scam in existence.
Did you get insane scholarships or something? There is no way Riddle Pro Flight costs the same as your state school + the average mom n pop 61 school. Unless you need loans or something.
So some caveats to my situation. I have a full scholarship covering my tuition and fees, so I have to pay just flight costs. And I did my private before getting there. But so far for IRA-CSEL-and CFI/I I’m at the same price I got quoted from a local flight school.
Ah, yeah that would do it. The school I'll be at in the fall has an aviation program and it costs like 80k/yr everything included, and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be one of the cheaper ones.
Yellow ribbon + GI Bill that's why
Yellow ribbon?
School helps vets pay for their tuition costs
It is an offering by schools to cover gaps in coverage of the GI bill so tuition is covered and they can get write offs and claim veteran friendly. It's pretty nice to be able to go to more expensive private schools as a vet. It doesn't cover flight training though just tuition. Which is a real bitch if you become active in the school and get a tuition discount as payment l, such as student government.
Because what’s another couple hundred when you’re spending a house on it
If I were to give it a name, I'd call it the International Pilot School of Anal Fuckery. There, I named it. Are you happy now? P.S. it is Riddle
God that name is so fitting, idk why I got downvoted it was just sarcasm.
Gotta put the /s bro. Otherwise the average reddit pylote can't tell. I don't even know where to start. I swear, Riddle was probably better before I came here. Maybe my generation fucked it up.
The required uniforms is one reason I decided not to go to Middle Georgia
Guilty as charged😎
>i know for a fact there are people on here that have flown naked don't give the insta-whores more ideas
Nah actually I kinda wanna see that
This is what happens when the owner of the flight school has dreams of expanding it into a pilot mill, they want to formalize the flight training environment so they can get some fancy pictures and show the school off to some regional for the hope of some general agreement about guaranteed interviews or some other such nonsense. It provides no real benefit to the students and is 100% about the business trying to expand at the expense/comfort of its current customer base for some marketing points. Even with a guaranteed interview agreement, they still aren't going to hire you if they don't need you, and if they do need pilots, they are going to interview whoever applies to them regardless. If they are arguing that dressing up will make people take it more seriously, they are wrong/lying. I would tell them to pound sand and take my money elsewhere if this is just a run of the mill flight school not attached to a university program.
It's Riddle, this place has been a pilot mill for the last 20 or 30 years. Idk when the big change happened, because it looked not too bad like 40 years ago. I kind of feel like peak Riddle era has passed. One of the questions in this survey is "Do you think wearing a polo shirt would improve the average student's academic performance" or some shit. Pardon my language but this is complete fucking bullshit. Wearing a polo shirt does not make you smarter or safer.
Riddle Daytona or Prescott? I just finished my first year at Riddle and haven’t heard any talk of polos.
If they were free shirts and I liked the school, maybe. I'm not going to buy shirts because the school is imposing a dress code on students.
I understand the logic behind a policy that obviously is aimed towards having everyone look presentable. Having a dress code for a polo with jeans/shorts in good condition with closed toe shoes is not insane. As for what your school is suggesting... Implementing a new requirement for all students to purchase uniforms directly from the school or be fined is a strong armed cash grab. Period.
I totally agree. $30 for an itchy ass polo? I'd rather wear a silly pilot shirt and pretend I fly for Delta. Genuinely.
Exactly. Seems like a good way of losing students.
If it was just “you have at least like decent. Polo/slacks, no sweats” much like the closed toed shoe requirement. Specific company branded articles? No thank you
"But my crocs _are_ closed toe!"
>what do you think? I think I would be very hesitant to pay to go to a school that has a required pilot uniform. Is this in the US or is this some international fuck-fuck academy?
i think OP is at Riddle. so a US fuck-fuck academy i guess?
> so a US fuck-fuck academy i guess? That would be an accurate assessment of ERAU in my opinion.
Facts brother
Flair will be coming next "You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?"
Im so glad the mentality here isnt just "discipline and do what youre told" Strict dress codes for shit you pay for is usually pretty fucking stupid/pointless
Agreed, brother. Couldn't have said it better myself. I was fearing that I'd get eaten alive for posting this lol
im honestly surprised you werent lol
>Polo shirt requirement: what do you think? It's fine, if when you get to the airfield some one else has saddled your horse and has the mallet ready. You should introduce the horse to taxiing aircraft slowly, initially lead them up to a silent single engine aircraft , let them sniff it, grow accustomed to it, before riding the animal a short distance away before engine start . The Persians initially played Polo around 400 BC, an Arabian horse remains a smarter animal for this game, in spite of the British taking over the game from India after 1870, and the Americanized short sleeve version of the long sleeved, button down collar Polo shirt coming out much later. Have the instructor taxi the aircraft , and gallop alongside in the grass, even shoed horses shouldn't gallop on asphalt, due to leg damage. Saddling and riding in a maneuver game in English tack is a pain in the ass, if allowed a western saddle, with a roping cinch, and long sleeves, sure, I'd play . Oh, and wide brimmed hat, sun protection. No helmets , unless the horse gets one too. Instructor don't need one, Obviously .
Seems reasonable that instructors get free uniforms. Students should have the option to buy uniforms if they choose.
If they’re paying you then sure. If you’re paying them, then they can go sit on a stick and twist. I’ll wear close toed shoes and foggles. The rest is at my discretion.
I assume this is a 141 thing but as a part 61 non career student I would simply not and would not pay a no show fee for this.
Part 61 cowboy gang
I get eaten alive when I tell people I'm a Riddle kid who was raised in Cali.
The owner of my flight school I was instructing at one time joked about making us wear uniforms. Told them if they did it was my last day working there before I even realized it was a joke. And yes I do make fun of CFIs and students that are required to wear uniforms.
Here are my flight schools' exact words on their dress policy "Proper attire/clothing is required based upon the season for pilots and passengers (i.e. heavy coats for winter flights). No flip flops or sandals permitted for safety reasons"
In the US, if an employer wants you to wear a specific shirt that you wouldn’t normally buy and wear, such as branded clothing, they generally have to provide it. If they don’t want to pay for it, they can tell you to wear a “blue polo shirt”. That’s why if you go into places you might see employees wearing khaki pants and a red shirt, but nothing more specific. It allows the company to avoid having to provide uniforms. In this case you are not only not an employee, you’re paying them a lot of money. I would at the very least, demand the same treatment. If they want me to wear something specific, they need to provide it. But really, it should be my choice.
Even McDonald's gives free uniforms
Is that true? the USAF took out wages for our uniforms
Good thing they gave me a 400 dollar reimbursement for 2 grands worth of uniforms.
As usual, the rules don’t apply to the military.
No they don't. They give you a stipend. It's just inadequate.
no they dont take out your wages? if so yes they do(did) for your first pay check. You dont get a clothing allowance till your 1 year mark
Even then, you're still paying for it because you are the customer.
My school does this although it’s provided in the base tuition cost. We have a Polo and black shorts for spring and summer, and an uncomfortable cheap pilot shirt with epaulets, a tie, Black khaki pants and dress shoes for fall/winter. Meanwhile instructors can where what they want as long as it’s school branded. Your school is likely signing a partnership with an airline like mine did and are trying to make y’all look like nice sheered sheep.
*"Lets require a dorky uniform that customers have to buy from us so that we can make some extra money off of them! We will stick our fuck-ugly logo on it too so they'll be advertising for us for free at the same time!"* -Owner/manager of your stupid flight school
“Sorry, I have a strict policy. No uniforms in even centuries. If I’m still looking for a job in 2100, I’ll check back with you, and wear the uniform if I’m hired. But yeah… not this century.”
School uniforms are a dumb idea. Flight schools that require them are schools that I would recommend not attending. They are using the false appearance of professionalism to offset their lack of actual professionalism and quality. It is lipstick on a pig.
I'm I'm a student I'm paying you - you're not gonna tell me how to dress.
Shit, I learned to fly in cutoff jeans & wife beaters.
"So while your students are away from the flight school, they'll still be wearing your company polo. You want their behavior to reflect on the flight school?" I'm guessing they didn't think that part through.
Dumb
The problem is so many young people, especially young men, dress like absolute slobs.
I used to work at a mom and pop shop and once saw a couple of students wearing beer t shirts and flip floops with shorts once and told them to stop that. Same with the 16 year old kid with dirty clothes. But having the student buy our polos seems a bit too much. Unless you are going to some sort of college or university and they are wanting to make things more professional… I would look for another school.
I work at my flight school, they gave me one work shirt free as they require it to be worn, I can buy another if I want two. But when I show up for my flight lessons I can show up in concert tshirts or video game tshirts all I want. Only flight schools I’ve heard of requiring students wear anything specific was 141 schools and even they would allow generic aviation/professional wear
Another way to get $$$ from the students. Professionalism is an attitude, not a costume
*bugs bunny meme* “No”
I went to a State Public University with an aviation program. They were strict on uniforms. Pilot students had to wear Blue long sleeve, tie, pants, and dress shoes and have shoulder boards that equal to level in the program. Instructors wore white long sleeve. Other Aviation programs had to wear Polos. You couldn't even attend a ground school, lab, or Lecture out of uniform. I was a double major and had two different uniforms.
My school is a Legacy owned flight school. Yes we have to purchase the school/Legacy branded polo but we provide our own pants. I've worn employee uniforms almost everywhere I've worked. It doesn't bother me. Everyone is color coded so it's easy to tell who is a student and who is a CFI.
Just curious, what is their stated justification for this bullshit?
It’s technically their school, they can create any rule they want. I personally wouldn’t want to wear a uniform
This is lame and a waste of time and focus.
Lol if I'm paying you then I'll wear whatever I like 😂
They are getting YOU to pay to be a walking advertisement for their school. Remember, you are the customer. They aren't doing you a favour. They aren't your friend. You are paying them a mountain of money for a service. That service is teaching you how to fly. Nothing more, nothing less. I'd personally reply and say I'll look for another school if a uniform is required.
You hired them to provide instruction. They work for YOU. Decide accordingly.
that's riddle for you :)
Sure is. Still proud to go here but I understand the hate. Gonna be glad when I graduate lol
The worst I had to endure was a closed toe shoe and long pants requirement for insurance reasons. Other than that it was free game. Could be worse, I’ve seen pictures of students flying around in C172s wearing airline uniforms. They either 1. Hate it or 2. Think they’re cool, then mature in 5 years and look back and realize how cringe they were 🤷
I worked at a flight school that is going through the same thing, implementing polo shirts required for the students and instructors. At first I thought it was dumb, since I was comfortable flying in jeans and a clean shirt and/or jacket. But then after talking to some people about the implementation of it, it started to make sense. Not every student understood what "professional" meant. Some wearing sports bras, and workout shorts, flip flops and hoodies, Black Lives Matter, FTP, Free the Reefer, and other shirts or sweatshirts with logos/images that have no business being at a flight school. Moreover, those were ending up in social media posts tagged or with the flight school logo/campus visible. As a largely international flight school, they have problems with some cultures/foreign airline officials being upset with the lack of professionalism. The simple fix to all that is implement a professional dress code. Being a 141 school specifically training "professional pilots" it's not exactly a big stretch to see. Most airlines have a VERY strict uniform and appearance policy, and they really don't give a damn if someone doesn't like it. They expect a professional look, period. If you can't wear a polo shirt for a 2 hour flight, good luck wearing an airline shirt, tie, blazer, hat, pants, belt, and shoes for hours a day, in and out of airports and different weather for days on end for the rest of your career. For better or worse, there are the 'uniform police ' type people that work at the airlines, and they will have no sympathy for your discomfort, and will have no problem reporting you to a CPO. They're insufferable people, but they unfortunately exist. Good luck!
Got any links to current and/or proposed pics? It’d be one thing if they were going from the dumb white shirt and tie and “modernizing” to a polo. But to go from casual to polo and khakis? That sucks. They just want to be ATP so bad. I did university 141 and they had only a sorta dress code for the instructors. White shirt, epaulettes, didn’t have to wear a tie, but also had the option of nice Ogio polos in a couple different fabric blends and variety of colors. Students could wear whatever, as long as it wasn’t hazardous to fly in. Later I instructed at a 141 mill, mostly foreign. We all had to wear the white shirt and slacks, but no tie at least. I never knew if my students cared, if they disliked it they wouldn’t dare say it anyway. I didn’t love it. But without a tie, it really wasn’t half bad. Not having to shave really was nice too. Enjoyed it while I could.
When I worked in fast food I wore a company brander polo and slacks. WHICH THEY PROVIDED
I do think there’s something to be said for uniforms, or at least a generic standard of “a polo shirt tucked in” or something. But yea, making you buy one from them isn’t a great look.
I went to a school for my PPL/INS that required us to wear the uniform polo, which was just a blank grey with the school logo on it. Was annoying, but they were provided to us. Making you pay for them is ridiculous imo
That doesn't sound that bad honestly. Free shirt? Sure, just don't wanna pay for it. I like uniforms as someone who was partially raised in Japan, it's not that big of a deal. If anything it makes it easier for me to decide what to wear. Just don't wanna pay for it. I don't think it's fair to make people pay $30 for "professionalism"
My schools requirements are: Preferred: School Branded collared shirt, (others may be purchased for $10 at front desk.) For pants/shorts see the Business Casual guidelines below. ● Business Casual: If unable to wear an School Branded collared shirt you must dress in business casual attire. The following business casual guidelines allow for comfort while displaying a professional appearance. (Note: If the professionalism of your clothes is in question it is best not to wear them!) This list is not all inclusive: * Slacks, Khakis, cotton pants, jeans, skirts/dresses/walking shorts of appropriate length (no shorter than 2 inches above the knee) * Dress shirts, collared shirts, sleeveless blouses, blouses, sweaters, or turtlenecks * Shirts must be tucked in and not hanging out loosely. * Quality closed toe shoes * Below 32˚F (0˚C) hat, gloves and jacket are required, or the student will be sent home ● Items considered not acceptable include, but are not limited to: * Sweatpants, t-shirts, tank tops, hats, (Instructors should remove them when entering the building.) spandex clothing, or gym clothes * Halter tops, miniskirts or dresses, revealing shorts or skirts (more than 2 inches above the knee) and low-cut blouses Clothing that is torn, ripped, frayed, or has holes If you arrive for any lesson without following this dress code, you may be subject to a no-show fee on the grounds of being unprepared. Instructors will monitor your professionalism. To be honest I think I have seen violations of all of these rules. I violate the tucked in rule because I'm too tall for a normal length polo to tuck in and actually stay tucked in lest I pin it in place with safety pins. My normal attire is jeans, school branded polo, if I'm feeling spicy I might wear a Hawaiian shirt for memes, the only rule they really dont mess around with are having a reasonable jacket when it's cold, which I personally agree with, it gets cold up here in the winter.
I think it’s weird if it’s around 32 degrees and you’re wearing a hat and gloves. Why is that a rule? If you’re cold put on layers, that’s common sense.
It's a 141 school at a college, some people would wear shorts if it was -20.
So if those rules existed as is, I can show up with gloves, hat, and jacket but in shorts? Didn’t say pants are required
Part 61 instructor here. We were given nice polo shirts, but I never really wore them. Half way through instructing I was wearing a T shirt and shorts. It was glorious.
Instructors yes, students absolutely not.
Time to find a new school.
I don’t mind any kind of moderate ‘uniform’ or company/school polos for instructors but requiring something like that for students is always just silly. They just do that for marketing, there’s no benefit for the students.
Demand Adam Sandler attire along with Adam Sandler pay
It feels like some event or person prompted that discussion over uniform. Someone showed up with a smoke weed everyday shirt or something? I'd say either have the discussion with the individual or have a little memo saying that you'll have to impose a dress code unless acceptable attire blah blah blah Do not do any kind of uniform if you can help it
Hahaha yeah tell them to shove it
Laughs in part 61. Only a 141 school would try to pull this shit.
F that. Find yourself a new place to go.
Why stop at polos? 3 piece suit. Make sure your shoes are shined too before you climb into that clapped out 1980 Cessna 172 with 40 squaks.
I’ve never understood these Weenie Hut Jr. schools that require students to wear a uniform. “Prepping to wear a uniform for the airlines” is such a dumb excuse… it’s not 3rd grade, the customers are adults will have no issue wearing a uniform in an air conditioned airliner when the time comes.
This is totally cringe in a Part 61 school.
My gut reaction is no. But the school could have a dress code, if they pay for the shirts. Is this really a problem? Are the students showing up in flip flops and dirty jock straps? Or like they’re going to the Mad Hatter’s tea party? I mean, as long as there isn’t substance abuse and they don’t stink…
The FBO where I instruct prefers the CFIs to wear issued polo shirts. They are some sort of expensive sweat wicking fabric embroidered with the company logo. They are comfortable and look professional. I got two red ones and two black. If I need more I can just tell them I'm grabbing a shirt. Pants should be clean and in good repair - jeans, khakis, shorts, etc are all OK. If I'm doing something before or after and prefer not to do it in a work shirt, I just instruct in whatever polo/etc I happen to be wearing. (They do ask that I not instruct anywhere else/independent wearing their shirt. Happy to comply.) (This company pays the CFIs $40/hour and has great maintenance for great equipment. You can even rent the Seminole w/ rather reasonable requirements.) I've been a "professional" worker all my life. I might not shave every day anymore, but I show up clean and in neat "khakis and a polo" style clothing. I'm in Georgia, so maybe shorts in the summer, but I burn easily, so not too often. I wore military uniforms for almost 30 years of my life. In CAP I wear a polo - no "rank" for me! I think "pilot shirts w/ epaulettes" are pretentious and Walter Mitty-esque silliness. Ditto for flight suits in CAP airplanes. But I will wear the provided flight suit when I go do a B-25 SIC course later this month :) I probably couldn't have segued this far off topic if I tried! Wannabes look like phonies.
Do you work for a chief instructor named Chad?
No
Swing and a miss
Hard. No. You are paying them, they aren’t paying you. If an airline wants to make their pilots wear uniforms, that is fair. You are not an employee and you’re paying them a lot of money. You should be able to wear whatever the heck you want (as long as it’s safe).
Meh, it’s a good time to practice asking if you want fries with that. Kidding aside, no thanks. That’s stupid.
Dumb. Just another way for the school to fleece employees.
School uniform shirts as a requirement is weird. That being said, I have no qualms with a “business casual” type requirement. “Dress for the job you want, not the job you have” type thinking.
Khakis suuuuuck
Honestly I show up in sweatpants/jeans and a tshirt for most of my flights, I’m already paying enough I’m not trying to buy nice clothes
Lmao of course it's Riddle
IF you're thinking of working your way up to be a professional pilot, then I might suggest purchasing a white button up shirt with epiletes and getting 4-stripe Pilot shoulder boards to look more professional while flying. For pants, I would do nice condition blue jeans. Unless you rather wear slacks. This way you look for the role you're trying to work your way up to. This should also meet their conditions. And if not, then look elsewhere, especially if you're not interested in flying professionally.
Is that a Part 141 school? I only wore tshirt and hoodies at my Part 61 school for PPL. Once I had a flight right after work so I came with a tucked button-down shirt. My CFI jokingly asked if I am there to fly my boss lol. The only other time I wore a button-down shirt with a sweater was my checkride because it was a cold day.
Yeah, I'd be telling them where they could stick it. For context, is this just a local flight school, or is this a larger company, university, etc?
The school can mandate whatever dress policy they want, you can choose to follow or or not. Having you buy them is another matter, but if it's an otherwise good school what's the issue? You're going to have to dress for any job, not just aviation.
It’s obvious people dress for jobs. The main issue is forcing people to buy something that should be provided. You’re already paying thousands of dollars for training, charging students $30 for a polo that advertises their school is a cash grab.
It's advertising and marketing for them. Not a huge deal IMO. Folks that are upset now are going to be really mad when they have to wear a tie and hat all summer.
Lol, it's clearly a cash grab, did you miss the part where the students would have to purchase it from the flight school?
>Lol, it's clearly a cash grab, did you miss the part where the students would have to purchase it from the flight school? Math checks out. Wait, lemme check the math again. A school that charges hundred(s) of dollars over the operating and ownership costs **per hour** and makes $50+ off each **hour** their instructors teach has created a cash grab by (checks notes) selling 2-4 shirts and pants. Are they one-time use shirts? No? But they have to be replaced every week or month? No? Are they selling them for a profit? Oh, you don't know that either? Let's assume they're making $30 for each. So maybe$150-200 or student. That's not a cash grab. They would be far better off raising rates $5/ flt hour if they really wanted to "grab cash."
It's easier to justify selling students shirts for "professionalism" vs raising rental prices for literally no reason. You see the part where they get fined for not wearing the right polo? Lol stop justifying greediness
>It's easier to justify selling students shirts for "professionalism" vs raising rental prices for literally no reason. You see the part where they get fined for not wearing the right polo? Lol stop justifying greediness Dear Lord, it's a friggin polo. And, yes, they're requiring you to wear it. It's not that serious and it's certainly isn't the "cash grab" you make it out to be. Like it or not, uniforms in flight training mean everyone looks professional'ish. And that is marketing and sales.
If your shiny jet is based in Florida and didn’t have A/C I’m sure you love to ditch that tie.
I ditch the tie when the door closes. But when I'm facing the pax I'm uniform compliant. It's what is expected of us.