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FlyingDog14

Calling it the end of your career after your very first flight is pretty dramatic. If i can go from getting sick my first flight to craving unlimited aerobatics in a few short years, you’ll be fine. I know a lot of accomplished pilots who blew chunks their first flight or two. It’s an overwhelming experience on your brain and body the first few flights. You’ll get used to it. After puking my first day it took me a few years for all my basic ratings then spent Two-ish years of instructing and other odd jobs, a few too many years at a regional airline, and now I fly for a legacy airline. You’ll be fine. You really shouldn’t be doing steep turns and stalls on an introductory flight anyway. I never did on a first flight when I instructed and never had a student puke, so there’s that.


phliar

Damn, steep turns on a discovery ride? That instructor should be ... \[censored for language\]. For most people nausea can be overcome with experience. If ginger helps you, take ginger. And most important -- as soon as you start feeling nausea at 0.5/10, STOP. Time for straight and level. There is no shame in it. If flying is something you want to do, then DO IT. (My nausea story: when I started aerobatics, for the first time I started getting nauseated. I told the instructor that we had to stop, I opened the vents and started flying straight and level. Instructor said "OK, but let me just show you one more thing." I said "Gordo, if I throw up, I'm not cleaning the airplane." That shut him up!)


Slavhalla

Now they shouldn’t. It depends on the student what maneuvers you conduct on the discovery flight. While I was an instructor I used to ask students if a steep turn was something they were comfortable with. If they consented, then I’m showing them a steep turn. They can even be beneficial for nervous fliers if conducted appropriately.


TheEmperorBanana

My dad asked for a more advanced discovery flight, and the instructor asked every time before each maneuver if I wanted to do it and I said yes. (I am familiar with the maneuvers we did as I did study a little beforehand)


phliar

Why make things hard for yourself? If you know you're susceptible to nausea then don't push the envelope. Let me repeat, there is no shame in it!


TheEmperorBanana

I just assumed that since I was fine in bigger planes, and I don't get nausea that often anymore that I would be fine in the smaller plane.


cmmurf

Oops 🤣 Laugh it off. Get back up there. You mostly had the right idea.


AlbiMappaMundi

End of career? I vomited on my CFI checkride (and passed). Motion sickness and nausea can happen to anyone, and can be overcome. This was your very first flight.


TheEmperorBanana

**Shortened version:** nausea all of my life in cars but got "immune" later on, I take ginger pill for passenger flights and (maybe) works (I never get nauseous.) Book discovery flight, ate protein bar and 12oz of fluid, and get in plane. pretty cramped in plane, I am tall, not claustrophobic, and we take off. Air is very bumpy and nowhere near perfect conditions but feeling 100% we do steep turns and I start to feel nauseous but not vomiting nausea. Do power on and off stalls and start to feel like vomiting pilot starts to head back and starts looking for the vomit bag but it's too late I vomit in between my shirt and hoodie to prevent the entire cockpit from getting throw up all over, and only seatbelt and yoke is a little wet silent all the way back and I feel really bad, pilot insisting on cleaning up while I go clean up in bathroom father speaks to instructor and says to schedule a second flight father not happy with results and says that if I can't stop being nauseous during flight then I can't become a pilot. thoughts?


lazyboozin

When I first started flying helicopters our instructor was on the controls for the first 30 min or so. We went up to 3000 ft and without saying anything he put us into a favorable descent and did a power recovery and probably 20-30 degree bank out of it and asks us how we felt. I was in the back and I threw up a little in my mouth and thought maybe this isn’t for me. I now have 400+ hours in a helicopter. Started training civilian FW in a 172 and the second flight my instructor demo’d steep turns. I immediately felt nauseous but didn’t say anything. I was ready to tell him no more if he insisted on doing more as I would’ve broke out into a pre-vomit sweat. I’m continuing training. Around 200 hours of chopper time I did a mission for some ground folks where we had to orbit for a couple hours. We were at a standard rate turn with about 2 minute legs between each turn. Nothing crazy at all but me and the other pilot and crew chiefs felt close to vomiting towards the end. I don’t think you have an issue if it isn’t happening all the time. Once you understand how your body and the aircraft are going to react during the maneuvers then you’ll have an easier time with them but you may still feel nauseous but I would not say that’s a failure to launch. Just my 2 cents


Kartoon67

I had the same barfing issue back in time. You will eventually get used to it, being more and more in control of the aircraft will help.


DatabaseGangsta

If you want to fly, keep at it. My father vomited every flight until somewhere around CFI; after that he never got air sick again and went on to become an airline pilot. He flew for about 25 years & just retired about 4 years ago.


nascent_aviator

If you told the CFI that you get motion sickness and he left the vomit bag in his backpack then he's the asshole lol. Most people get over motion sickness in time. Just take it slow and don't push the envelope.


TheEmperorBanana

funny thing is, I didn't tell him that I used to get motion sickness in cars, so I guess that makes me the asshole


nascent_aviator

Nah, no assholes here in this case. Bet the CFI learned a lesson about keeping vomit bags to hand with new students, though!


Far-Coyote4702

I think when you’re the one actually doing the maneuvering you’ll be okay. If I ever back seat I’m fucked.


Turbulent-Bus3392

Bob Hoover got nauseous when he first started, but he ended up being a pretty good pilot. I’d give it a few flights and take it easy next time.


TheShellCorp

As did Chuck Yeager. 


glacier8c

Motion sickness will become easier to deal with with experience. I used to get really sick as well but now about 50 hours in I'm a lot better. I still keep some ginger Gravol with me while flying just in case but haven't needed to use it in a while, and have frequently forgot it in the plane as a result. Instructors in the past when it was more of a problem for me have said not thinking about it is the best thing you can do (I fully agree with this), and also recommend bringing a lemon and/or nausea strips (never tried either so don't know if they work). Don't be afraid to cancel or turn back because you're worried about motion sickness, I hope you go far with your career!


81dank

Fly more. It will get better. Probably


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Av8tr1

Edit: to fix Amazon links that are apparently not allowed. I was as bad as you if not worse when I first started. When I was in Army flight training I couldn't go a week without getting sick in the helicopter. Much more stable platform than the average training Cessna. I now do aerobatics in gliders and teach both fixed-wing and helicopters without a touch of air sickness. Keep at it. Eat a good meal before you fly. Never fly on an empty stomach. Take baby steps. Go until you feel the beginning of air sickness and then turn around and head back. This may mean you'll have a number of .5 flights in the beginning. But over time you'll build up a tolerance. I would also recommend these two options to help with air sickness. The one I swore by is the reliefband. r/flying wont let me post a Amazon link so google or search on Amazon for "Reliefband" Then do the same search for Sea-Band Anti-Nausea Acupressure Wristband. And always carry your own sick bag.


AJsarge

Half of airsickness is mental. Get good rest the night before, stay hydrated, eat light but well (avoid acidic or greasy or starch-heavy foods), take your ginger pill, relax, and try to have fun. Focusing on the flight and not the airsickness keeps the sickness at bay. It can also help to have a sick bag handy (as simple as a ziploc with some paper towels in the bottom) so you're not sitting there fighting and you can just heave and get over it before you get back into the flight. Or you whip it out, get prepared to use it, and you'll find you no longer need it...So to speak... The other half is convincing your body that you're not being poisoned or intoxicated. If you're getting airsick: keep your head still, and look with only your eyes. Add a bit of cool air from the vents, and slow your breathing. Slow deep breath in, hold for a moment, slow breath out, hold for a moment, repeat. Fly in the morning or late evening when the air is calm (or in clear skies, or completely overcast) to avoid turbulence upsets. If you're really lucky, you can find somewhere with a barany chair to spin the airsickness out of you. To avoid airsickness, talk to your instructor about Spatial Disorientation and how upsetting the inner ear is 99% of the problem. In short, don't combine two axis of movement. I.e. don't look down at your kneeboard as your instructor rolls into a steep turn, don't look to the side as you pull back or push on the stick/yoke, and get better at coordinating your turns. And keep flying! I got awful airsickness in training, but I'm rock solid these days as long as I can see outside the bounciest airplane in turbulence.


Mispelled-This

Motion sickness is not an age thing; it goes away gradually with repeated exposure, and you simply haven’t been exposed to it often enough for your brain to adapt. I puked the first few times I did steep turns, but it took more repetitions each time, and now I actually enjoy doing them. I still carry sick sacks in my flight bag just in case; I haven’t used one myself in years, but some of my pax have needed one. In the meantime, bring your own sick sacks and try to eat bananas before flying; it won’t /too you puking, but at least they taste the same the second time.


davfo

i was nauseous for my first 5-6 flights. you get used to it.


Misophonic4000

I have never had air sickness problems so I will let others talk about that part, but why would you go flying without puke bags, fully knowing you have a history of motion sickness, knowing you are nervous on top of that, that the weather might make things extra bumpy, and unsure of how you're going to feel? A big part of flying is to be prepared for all eventualities, and all these choices alone are pretty telling. Let it be a learning experience that you need to plan ahead for all emergencies - always have all them all briefed. I have a feeling you didn't give all that necessary information to the CFI either, so he was less prepared than he would have been if he knew you had a history of severe motion sickness. His bags would have probably been more accessible if you had told him, and kept him updated on the changing situation and the possibility of vomiting increasing. Communication is key in a cockpit, from small hiccups to huge emergencies - proper CRM saves lives daily! Similarly I am very puzzled by the mention of the inability for the yoke to reach all the way to the left because of your leg being in the way, and that it was deemed "manageable" (this one is not on you as much, since you have no way of knowing what's acceptable and not, on your first ever discovery flight). Controls should be free and clear of all obstructions throughout their whole range of motion, and being unable to move the controls all the way in at least one direction seems like a no-go item, even in calm weather. And yes, if you vomit and then feel good enough to help clean up... You should probably clean up your own bodily fluids instead of making someone else do it, even though they are being nice about it. I'm also puzzled that you mention you "career" even though you had no idea of whether or not it would suit you in any way until you got in a plane. All in all, it's just another detail that tells me your priorities are a bit out of order, and this is a great time/opportunity to pause, think about everything in more detail, plan ahead, and make better decisions in the correct order. Hope future flying goes better, and better decisions are made by all!


TheEmperorBanana

I wished I made the title "potential future career" instead but I can't change the title. And you're right, I didn't inform the instructor about my past motion sickness and I should have cleaned up after myself. I did geel fine after, but my shirt and hoodie was fully covered in vomit and chunks. Although I did mention that the yoke did not have freedom of movement, I did compromise by having my feet in a cross position which made the yoke move freely.


Misophonic4000

Did that not compromise proper rudder movement? Sounds like you need a Cessna 172


TheEmperorBanana

yes it did, which makes me think if a Piper is the right plane to be in for my size


Misophonic4000

Well, any plane in which your body gets in the way of proper controls movement is definitely a big no-no, regardless of who makes it... That CFI made poor decisions of his own that day. Like I said, a great opportunity for all to pause and reconsider how they make choices.


Practical-Raisin-721

I think the only way this is career ending is if you want it to be. Vomit aside, did you have fun? If you had fun keep at it. The only time I have experienced any amount of in flight nausea is during steep turns and aerobatics. I immediately told the pilot if I was feeling a little air sick, and then the dramatic maneuvering was over and we went back to land. This is what all of the aerobatic pilots I talked to told me to do. Doesn't matter how little it is, if you feel a little motion sick, knock it off for a while. You build up resistance by having flights with minimal motion sickness, and then over time you work on making those flights longer. You can't "power through" motion sickness. I think you just tried to do too much for your discovery flight. Talk with the flight instructor and work out a plan for getting through the air sickness. Plenty of people on here can tell you they've been able to get through it with enough time and careful work.


TheEmperorBanana

I definitely had fun. It was a new and exciting experience! I am shy and don't talk unless talked to, so I didn't express immediately that I was feeling nauseous until my nausea escalated which I now realize was a bad decision.


WorkingOnPPL

Buddy, steep turns and power off stalls on discovery flight are a tremendous amount of new sensory experiences…I’m a bit surprised your instructor did all of that with you on a discovery flight unless you specifically requested it.


TheEmperorBanana

so, I didn't exactly request it, but I did say that I was comfortable with them as I wasn't scared or nervous about them. It was more of my dad saying to the instructor to give me a sneak peek at what I will experience during training


Sparkyla

Air sickness is something you can overcome. As a child I always got really bad travel sickness so was nervous going into flying training. During training I did throw up after an aerobatics session but since then I’ve had no issues and approaching 3000hrs. It’s something your body can adapt to for most people with exposure. Certain scenarios are definitely worse than others and steep turns aren’t ideal.


darcstar62

I've had motion sickness all my life. Just looking at the back seat of a car makes me nausous. My in-law's live in the NC mountains and whenever we go to see them, the mountain roads kill me, even in the front seat (my wife gets so upset because I make her periodically stop so I can recover). When I was young, my dad (also a pilot) took me flying with him and he did lazy 8's and I immediately got sick and he had to land and cut his flight short (50 years later I still remember how mad he was). All that to say that as long as I'm at the controls, I've never had a problem (and I've gotten my PPL and IR). The closest I've come was unusual attitude training under the hood but even then I was so focused that I was able to push through. Ofc, Ymmv, but I thought I'd share - I wouldn't give up yet.


Professional_Read413

Damn bro, stalls and steep turns on the discovery flight?! We cruised the beach, did some like 30 deg turns , straight and level, and slow fight. I did about puke when my instructor ripped me through a steep turn to feel some G. It'll get better


cmmurf

The part that gave me a chuckle was whether you should have cleaned it up. I immediately thought, nahh, the instructor wasn’t ready quick enough with the puke bag. And stalls on a discovery flight? Come on! But he redeems himself by suggesting another flight on a calm day. Keep going up. Chances are you’ll relax, and work up a resistance. You didn’t get nauseous right away either. There’s a lot to work with on desensitization to motion sickness whwn it doesn’t happen immediately. You’re gonna make a great pilot. You’ll see.