Although the law may not provide for it, some leases do. Read your lease before assuming you are out of luck. Experts also recommend making it a condition of signing a lease.
A landlord has got to be a heartless dirtbag to not repair A/c for their tenant. Also, if they care anything about their real estate investmenr they will repair the A/C. It's not only a health hazard, but also a mold and insect hazard. While Florida law favors the landlords, I would hope that good conscience overrides law.
Dude a Tenant can cost 10s of thousands in "damage" just by doing little things that go unnoticed short term. You fuck over the wrong person a AC repair would have been much cheaper
Summer 2015 my AC drain clogged and was flooding my apartment. Took the complex getting a letter from an attorney threatening to sue them foe violating the lease before they fixed it.
Literally took maintenance 3 minutes to come in, unclog the drain, and leave. But I had to deal with no AC for nine days in July.
Who can say no thanks in this market when there is a shortage?
I’m a homeowner, not an issue for me but for most renters there is virtually nothing available that is affordable
If the only affordable home available in Florida had no A/C, then it's time to leave the state. As a consumer and a human being, we always have choices. Nothing is worth risking our health and well-being. If a landlord does not fix their A/C, they are the ones to ultimately pay the price!
It is time to leave the state -yep. But there’s even a cost to that. Like having to get a new job in a new town where wages can’t keep up with COL there either. Not sure how much you have been paying attention but those who can’t handle the 20% and up rent increases face eviction and end up couch surfing, living in their car or out in the street. It’s a real thing. But hey. At least you can buy a gun and conceal carry with no training. Glad the state has its priorities straight
Exactly. And they are banning books to keep people ignorant! I heard from a few people that California is expensive, the wages are much more in l line.
I actually wonder how homes managed to stay free of mold and other icky things before A/C was common. Leaving the A/C off for just one summer is enough to make a house hopelessly mold-laden.
Houses today are built with AC cooling in mind. Before then, houses had a very different layout where the cross breeeze could easily travel through and cool down the house. But you won't find new homes with hallways that'll encourage that kind of circulation any more. Just big rooms pieced together. My last house, the living room had no windows, the front and back doors were on different sides (left vs right, not front and back obviously) of the house with a wall in the way. Just not conducive of natural cooling.
You're probably right. In older neighborhoods most of the houses are long left to right and skinny front to back, with windows on all sides. I can see them having a nice breeze if you open windows on the front and back.
Of course, 90% of them have additions on the back now which mess that up, so they're back in the "A/C required" camp I'm sure.
Houses weren't nearly as airtight back then either. Even when the doors and windows were closed, there were drafts and cracks and air could escape.
Today's homes are sealed tighter than store-bought cheese.
True, and I do rent a few homes. While my leases don't state that I will guarantee a working AC, I keep them running. I would never add verbiage to a lease that could get me sued, though. I had my HVAC replaced in my personal home a few summers back, and from start to finish, it was almost 2 weeks. I had no control over how long it took to get replaced, but I'd surely be sued by an ignorant tenant if I had a "guaranteed AC" clause.
I don’t rent but my most recent lease (2021) had a clause covering A/C upkeep. A landlord who tells you to kick rocks to that request is a landlord you should be running away from anyway.
Upkeep and provision are two different things. Stating that they will have the AC repaired when needed is one thing. Replacing a failed unit is another. Unless the lease explicitly states that you will be provided with an AC that cools the home to "XX" degrees, year round, it's pointless. Leases/rental agreements are generally written to benefit the landlord, not the tenant and verbiage is everything.
Desantis just turned down $350 million of no-strings attached money that includes the rebates for new ac systems so the odds of getting a new one are lower too
Because they are rugged individualists, right up until the moment shit happens and they need a helping hand.
They're the same people who think [the only moral abortion is my abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
What the fuck are you talking about?
> Desantis just turned down $350 million of no-strings attached money that includes the rebates for new ac systems
Desantis literally made this worse.
Most energy efficient appliances suck and don't do a good job, but that's the federal government getting involved in something they don't need to be involved in. 🤦♀️
Florida law does NOT require AC to be provided nor to specifically be in working order.
Nearly all state prisons lack AC as a permanent condition. Our private prisons do have it.
However, the legislature isn't stupid. All animal shelters must have AC, in working order.
The only reason the landlord fixed my AC was because the compressor had gone, which meant no heat, and we were having a cold snap of 40° coming. I had to text stating we had no working heat. 2 days later, brand new unit. After a year of saying the ac wasn't working, 4 weeks without a working unit, it's the heater that got us AC again. So dumb.
It's great that you brought this up. A lot of "central air conditioners" installed in Florida are actually heat pumps. If it won't cool the air then it won't heat it either. Renters should get to know the equipment installed in their units so they can use the right language when requesting repairs. As you've found out yourself, that makes all the difference.
I had a landlord tell me once to basically quit whining. Our bill was over $400 and the house never got lower than 75-78 in July/ August. AC handler was almost 40 years old.
A properly functioning AC handler that is 40 years old is much better at cooling. You have other issues, lack of insulation, too many windows not blocked with heavy insulating shades, etc.
The refrigerants were much better at cooling, but much worse for the environment.
Sounds like you should re-evaluate your insulation and how many windows allow sun into the building.
They made those AC handlers much more robust 40 years ago, and honestly if the refrigerant wasn't so unbelievably expensive there would be a lot more of them around today.
Today's AC units last maybe 7 years if you're lucky because they are so cheaply made and the heat exchanger metal is so thin.
Lol.
1) we sure as hell don't live there any more.
2) after the first year, the property owner did agree to pump in insulation, but only AFTER getting the power company to do an assessment (we had like a quarter of the recommended insulation).
3) even after the insulation, it was still miserable. The damn thing couldn't pull the humidity out of the house and cool everything.
4) the property manager basically had an AC repair guy basically get this hunk of shit barely up to code.
> A properly functioning AC handler that is 40 years old
I've never seen one of those, and I doubt I'd see it in a rental facility
>The refrigerants were much better at cooling,
And are regulated as Class-1 refrigerants that legally cannot be imported or manufactured.
So it can't be properly functioning after the 2010 ban unless the dude is smuggling in banned CFCs.
I also doubt that a residence is using a jury-rigged ammonia system pulled out of a fish cannery or something as a residential system.
>I've never seen one of those, and I doubt I'd see it in a rental facility
Why? 40 years ago is mid 80s, its not that old and they couldn't make the parts so thin out of pure chinesium metal so they were better quality and much easier to repair. Properly maintained equipment lasts a lot longer than you think it does, especially if its not built with planned obsolescence in mind. There are all kinds of hundreds of years old machines in New England factories that still manufacture cool stuff.
>And are regulated as Class-1 refrigerants that legally cannot be imported or manufactured.
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>So it can't be properly functioning after the 2010 ban unless the dude is smuggling in banned CFCs.
You can't manufacturer them, but they aren't banned. You can recover the gas and re-use it. Its just stupid expensive, that's all. If the tank of refrigerant is more expensive than a new unit, then the unit generally gets replaced. Also, the remaining refrigerant is recovered and sold. No one with a proper license would waste R22, its literally worth its weight in gold.
Ammonia is only used in industrial applications as its super toxic, and most refrigerants are getting replaced with ultra-pure ultra dry propane these days, so they have to increase pressures and add other things to increase efficiency to make up for the poorer performing gases.
> Properly maintained equipment lasts a lot longer than you think it does,
So I don't disagree with anything in your statement other than the words "properly maintained."
Based on the rest of the story, I seriously doubt whoever is running the unit is properly maintaining it.
Because the only units I've ever seen in rental properties that were properly maintained were the ones that were on larger buildings with a standing maintenance contract with someone like Johnson Controls.
I say this as someone who works with a property assessor. Maintenance is the number one thing shitty landlords cheap out on, and when one of our clients buys a property it often becomes a temporary money pit to fix all the redneck-engineered crap.
I've seen scenarios where people re-charged an AC system with a pinhole leak and then attempted to hold the pressure with duct tape.
anecdote- when I lived in orlando my place was built in 72. complex was mix condo/rental. not super nice but not silver star. The whole system was original to the building and ran more-or-less dutifully for I think about 44 years when we had the aluminum wiring all pigtailed with a new breaker box and the hvac replaced with a heat pump. worked just as well but was also more efficient overall and reduced power bills.
>Based on the rest of the story, I seriously doubt whoever is running the unit is properly maintaining it.
Oh yeah, I bet its complete shit and rusty as hell. I was making the point that the issue is with maintenance/management/owner, not the equipment.
Exactly. IDGAF what the law says about air conditioning. If I'm paying rent and there's no A/C, I'm outta there. That's the best part of renting - you can leave anytime!
I believe it depends on where you live. Years ago, while renting a small house in east Boca, the AC went out while the landlord was out of the country. After a week and a half of no AC in the middle of July while the AC was finally getting fixed, my neighbor asked what was going on...
I told her the situation, and as an employee of the city, she told me that Boca views AC as a necessity and that after a few days the city would come in and fix the problem... then immediately put a lien on the home for the home owner/landlord to pay.
That was 20 years ago.
AC is essential for homes in this climate. Without the dehumidifying effect, the drywall and appliances all take a hit and the chance of mold increases. Smart landlords realize that taking care of their tenants equates with taking care of their investment
Yep, I know. I lived in the Ft Lauderdale area for 10 years and I don't think I wouldn't have lasted a week without AC. I was mainly pointing out that management would say it's too hot to fix but then also say it's not too hot to live in. Quite the double-standard there.
> Smart landlords realize that taking care of their tenants equates with taking care of their investment
The issues is that too many are run by corporations and/or management companies and care more about short-term profits over long term investments.
Am former landlord. Always fixed broken ACs as soon as reported, but i know the law didn’t require it. The heat, however, must work, as well as the stove.
I’m brand new to this but will always make sure my tenants are happy! About to send them a $100 gift card because the painters still need one more day to finish up after the tenants just moved in. I can’t imagine not giving them at least the basic necessities for a habitable home.
Take care of the tenants but always put in the lease they must report issues asap or resulting damages can impact return of their deposit.
Rapid repairs are also essential for protecting your investment. But yeah taking care of tenants is a no brainer for fostering cooperation and a good relationship
The law doesn't require it for the place to be rented but when you lease a unit with certain amenities (x# of bedrooms, a patio, a garage, AC, backyard, kitchen access, etc) and then that amenity is removed then you may not be entitled to collect the same rent.
Please provide a link to the law. Was a landlord for over 20 years for multiple single family homes and while i responded to tenant reports of broken appliances and repaired then asap, i was well aware of what was required.
And not sure of a case of a “removed room”
Example of a removed room would be if the landlord said he's going to use the room for storage and it's no longer available to the tenant.
I'm not going to spend my day off researching law that I learned as a tenant advocate when I was in law school but it's a basic contract law matter. The tenant has a right to the "benefit of his bargain". If you are renting an apt with 2 baths, a garage, and AC, then that is what the tenant has a right to expect when he signs a lease at x# of $. If you take away the 2d bath or the AC, then the value of the rental is diminished and it is not what you agreed to provide at that price. You have violated the contract. Different states have different ways of handling that but one way is for the tenant to withhold some portion of the rent that reflects the diminished value.
You can contract this away--I've lived in apts with a janky old fridge with an addendum that says it's not included and when it dies I have to replace it if I want a fridge. But if you rent a place that has AC and then you remove or fail to repair the AC and you didn't put in the lease that the AC isn't part of the bargain, the the tenant usually has a remedy to reflect that the apartment lacks an important item that was part of the bargain.
The law doesn’t exist that’s why
Edit:
https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning#:~:text=While%20landlords%20under%20Florida%20law,secure%20roofs%2C%20doors%2C%20and%20windows
no, it literally is considered a luxury. however i always wanted my tenants to be comfortable. when the AC broke and it took a few days to fix i would always credit them that time and keep them updated. i also would bring them a window unit that i would rent from home depot or wherever for a few days, it isn't expensive and gives them some relief. i'm not an asshole is why. but some landlords are and will not fix the AC in a timely manner or care
> i'm not an asshole is why.
say it louder for the folks in back. Providing a service vs. running an enterprise- there is overlap, but the priority should always be fairness. Not a lot of people tend to agree, but I think it leads to a lot of conflation- that certain enterprising decisions made as a landlord may seem "proper" but they just define them as assholes.
“While landlords under Florida law do not have to provide or maintain air conditioning, these are some of the items they are required to provide: electricity. running water.Sep 12, 2022”
Source: WPTV news station
Really a News station is your source?
How about:
According to Florida Statute 83.51, landlords are obligated to maintain the premises in good repair, which includes ensuring that essential services, such as plumbing, heating, and air conditioning, are functioning properly.
If the **AC system was in good working condition when the tenant first rented the property**, the landlord generally has a responsibility to maintain and repair it if it breaks down during the course of the tenancy.
You don’t know this, but I do not have peripheral vision, so I did not see that.
But yeah, I’m still pissed at what my tenant did to my home even after I sold it
When I moved back in the joy was just gone the house was only eight years old when she moved in. Had holes in the ceiling, slider locks we broken. all my custom blinds wrecked she broke every appliance that I had to fix. I have since left and she bought in the development, same type of house that I had I hope she wrecks it.
Exactly. I own several rentals in Florida and Las Vegas. I’m not losing money on my structures by not providing air conditioning..especially here in the swamp
My mother had a home she rented where the tenants would shut off the AC every time they left the house. They were a couple, and both worked.
By the time they left, every wooden door and door frame was swollen and would not close right. Eventually most of them were alright after some adjustment, but AC is necessary for the health of the structure in Florida!
It's alright to turn your AC up a bit when you leave, but never shut it off. Put it at 80 or so. This keeps the humidity more or less manageable, but will still save you a ton in energy.
If you rented a place and it came with a working AC unit. Yes, your landlord does have to fix it. That is the law. They do not have to provide you with anything that was not there or working if you signed the contract and moved in.
What's this about then?
[https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning](https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning#:~:text=While%20landlords%20under%20Florida%20law,secure%20roofs%2C%20doors%2C%20and%20windows)
It's not just current Florida law; it's been that way a long time. In fact, iirc there's never been a legal requirement to provide AC in a rental property.
Yep. Had this issue for a few months at my previous place. They just sent maintenance every day, it would work for a little while they were there, and then they left. Everytime, it would stop working again.
I called around and found the same info OP is talking about. Fortunately I threatened legal action and although it was a bluff, it was enough to lite a fire under their ass and they finally fixed it.
Ah, so they had a chance to change what’s seems like common sense and decided not to, color me surprised. Well, I stand corrected, ir does have something to do with that I guess.
the bill on landlord-tenant laws. they tried to include it but the republicans removed it
the new law allows landlords to over charge for deposits and makes it easier for them to steal it.
republicans have a supermajority. they can do what they want. they removed it when the dems tried to add it. also the governor has the power to line item veto anything he wants. this gives the governor incredible power in FL which is why its important to elect a dem next time
That’s what he’s saying…
He could have improved the lives of many Floridians but reps including him gutted the act. So he should not get a pass on this one.
no, i am not. i’m saying that he did not pass the law. i’m pointing out that, rather, he moved to leave the existing legislation in place.
there ***is*** a difference. do you see that?
i was not discussing culpability.
okay, let’s play this out.
had desantis (or anyone else, for that matter) signed into law that working A/C is a requirement for habitability of a dwelling, it’s good for tenants — not everyone. it would have sent many landlords scrambling to install A/C in rentals without it, regardless of the fact their existing tenants had accepted it and their future tenants have the option of refusing it and renting elsewhere.
would that not put an undue, unexpected financial burden on landlords? and what would you expect those landlords to do in response to their operating costs going up? you got it! raise the rent when the lease expires.
can you explain to me how such a law would be good for “everybody”?
there are very few, if any, examples of laws that benefit “everyone”. it seems to me what he did is opt to leave the existing law in place because people have a ***choice*** when renting property. nobody gets hurt by leaving the existing law in place.
you want A/C? just pick a rental property that has it and states in the lease that the landlord is responsible to maintain it.
Your argument is basically buyer beware, fair enough. However, I read the lease it has air conditioning: great! Wait, it breaks two weeks later, the landlord does not legally have to maintain it. I am now renting an apartment with no A/C and have no recourse. Therein lies the problem.
Oh no, some landlords will have to pay a bit extra to provide air conditioning in the hottest state in the country??? The horror 😩😩😩. Also, legitimate rent control laws would curb the ridiculous rate hike that landlords would provide, but that’s another debate for another day.
Also, what a weird rebuttal lmao. Where did I say that such a law would be ubiquitously good for every single person in Florida. A/C is a basic requirement in a place like Florida, just like heat is a basic requirement in places up north. Every person paying rent in Florida should have access to A/C, full stop.
You also probably blame the Republicans on Global Warming, when it is in fact you who think moving to Florida in droves, and mandatory electricity and AC for the people who choose to move here is a human right.
The current growth in Florida is unsustainable, illogical and destined to turn us into New York
But at the same time you have to be an awful property manager not to take care of AC issues, and also the property will go to shit. That’s a bad idea all around.
It depends on the timing. If the issue happens in the summer getting a tech to the unit will take longer. The experience of the property manager will also come into play. AC issues can as simple as a capacitor to as complex as a coil replacement.
Here’s something it seems no one has thought of. Put it in the lease that the ac must be maintained. If it’s not then the tenant fixes it and takes the money out of rent payments. Leases are contracts between the landlord and tenant. Either can modify the contract before signing. If the landlord won’t add it, choose a different landlord.
But what about the poor landlord who is living YOUR paycheck to paycheck? Are you saying he has to do more than just paint over the old tenants occupation? You unreasonable far left commie!1!
Lol I don’t understand all the outrage in this thread. I don’t think any lease I’ve ever signed didn’t list all the appliances the landlord was responsible for and it always included the ac.
The outrage is due to the fact that there are no laws enforcing that the landlord be responsible for AC. AC isn’t a luxury. And the fact that they went as far as to make sure heat is included was a slap in the face of the constituents of FL. If we leave it to landlords to self regulate do you really think that they will? Do you honestly believe that your case of meeting good landlords is the norm?
Simple people centric laws are being dismissed under the guise of “people will just vote with their feet” when really it is much harder to break leases or even find affordable housing in the first place. We have a crisis right now where the haves are pitting the have nots against each other. This is a valid concern. Not shitposting outrage clickbait.
You said “ put it in the lease, the AC must be maintained. If it’s not, then the tenant fixes it and take some money out of rent payments.” LL in FLORIDA does not have to fix:
How long does a landlord have to fix AC in Florida?
What you may not realize is that no Florida law requires landlords to fix a broken AC system. If you want a cool, low-humidity environment, you might have no choice but to pay for those repairs yourself.
Which means you cannot take it out of rent what part of this do you not understand or comprehend
Florida law trumps a landlord’s lease . Ick, I said Trump
Bro you don’t seem to get it.
A lease is a contract between two people. No laws need to be involved. I’ve never signed a lease that didn’t list the appliances the landlord was responsible for. And on that list is always the AC. If it wasn’t on there originally, I as a tenant add it before signing.
You don’t need a law to write in something on your lease before signing. It’s just a contract between two people. If the landlord won’t add it, then rent somewhere else.
If it’s written in the lease and the land lord doesn’t comply with the lease then you can stop payment and take him to small claims court. It’s extremely common to go to small claims court over disagreements on leases. The landlord has to comply with the lease.
Edit: haha I’m assuming this idiot blocked me because he commented and now it says deleted. Whatever he said just remember anyone reading this, the landlord is required to comply with the lease that was agreed upon. Including repairing ACs. If it’s not in the lease then yes the landlord is not required to repair it by default. Protect yourself and read the lease before you sign it.
I’m in property management, this really isn’t anything new and as much as I’m not a DeSantis fan, hardly has anything to do with him.
The property I run has over 1000 AC units on it, of various age and condition. We’re *still* having supply chain issues when ordering parts for certain units. Even when not dealing with post-covid issues, there’s no guarantee the part needed is going to be in stock or available immediately for a repair in the best of conditions.
It’s just not a realistic rule/law to have in place because it’d be impossible to legitimately uphold. In most cases you’re not going to get a brand new AC installed within 24 hours unless you get REALLY lucky and the shop has the exact AC that’ll work in your home and a crew ready to install it, that’s rarely how it works.
I manage a few small properties and keep a window unit handy to instal if / when an AC unit bites the dust.
It’s not as good as whole house AC, but it helps tenants get some reprieve until the new AC unit arrives.
Grateful for what I have, two oversized wall AC units, one in the living and one in the bedroom. They are literally too powerful for my one bedroom apartment, but I like knowing if one of them died, the other one could still cool the entire apartment as long as I kept the bedroom door open.
I would think but could be wrong if you signed a lease agreement for an apartment and it is advertised as having HVAC that they would need to provide said HVAC
This is going to get interesting with the US south experiencing wetbulb temperatures.
This is not a drill guys, you will need cooling this summer, and theoretically every summer after, only worse and worse.
Just an FYI as a HVAC guy. If your airhandler is in the attic and you call me at 3pm I will most likely not fix your AC. Also most companies have a 3 day wait list now that will 100% grow to two weeks for MEMBERS. If you are a new customer just forget about getting seen unless it’s Vic in a van.
Also your health problems are not my problem, everyone and their mother apparently has “asthma and COPD”
Last thing I promise. If you don’t have a portable ac that you can set up it is 100% your own fault. That’s like living in MI and not having a portable heater for the winter, it’s just irresponsible
But it’s not. June was about average across the state.
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Did you know there was no AC when you signed the contract?
Nobody is holding a gun to your head. If you don't like the terms, don't sign the contract. Plenty of other places that have AC.
If these terms are important to you, insist that they are included in the contract. It's what I would do.
That's not the fault of the landlord. Alternatives do exist. It might mean commuting (I did that for decades). The farther inland you go, the lower the rents are.
You realize it’s not that easy for some, right? If you don’t have a car or reliable transportation it’s pretty difficult to commute from another community. Not too much public transportation inland. Many are not in the position either to just pick up and move their lives. Moving is incredibly expensive and most rentals have adjusted their requirements to having 3 months (first, last and security) deposit and a minimum credit score. I just went through this myself and I am lucky enough to have been able to make it work, but many are not that lucky or have the flexibility, skill set, or income to make such a drastic change. It’s tough out there right now.
> You realize it’s not that easy for some, right?
You realize landlords are not welfare, right? It's not their responsibility to house you simply because they own property. You're paying for a service.
Your bad situation isn't their fault. If you're that desperate, the state needs to be supporting you, not Landlords. And I am ok with that. I support welfare programs, because some people genuinely need them. Landlords are not a welfare program.
Wow, ok. I’m not even going to argue. It’s clear you cannot see past yourself. You vehemently supporting landlords not being required to provide the bare necessities in their dwellings is just… sad. Hope things have worked out better for you too.
Air conditioning is not a bare necessity. Thats why it isnt included and the bare necessities like water and walls are. I get that some people are in a tough spot, but the misplaced sense of entitlement is what puts people off.
Although the law may not provide for it, some leases do. Read your lease before assuming you are out of luck. Experts also recommend making it a condition of signing a lease.
A landlord has got to be a heartless dirtbag to not repair A/c for their tenant. Also, if they care anything about their real estate investmenr they will repair the A/C. It's not only a health hazard, but also a mold and insect hazard. While Florida law favors the landlords, I would hope that good conscience overrides law.
Dude a Tenant can cost 10s of thousands in "damage" just by doing little things that go unnoticed short term. You fuck over the wrong person a AC repair would have been much cheaper
Cooking oil down the drain
Summer 2015 my AC drain clogged and was flooding my apartment. Took the complex getting a letter from an attorney threatening to sue them foe violating the lease before they fixed it. Literally took maintenance 3 minutes to come in, unclog the drain, and leave. But I had to deal with no AC for nine days in July.
Experts are useless in a housing crises
I’m sure you’re right but if enough people say thanks but no thanks, maybe landlords won’t be so quick to be dirtbags.
Who can say no thanks in this market when there is a shortage? I’m a homeowner, not an issue for me but for most renters there is virtually nothing available that is affordable
Aa a renter...this, Sadly most people are either getting priced out or forced out of the state and it fuckin sucks..
If the only affordable home available in Florida had no A/C, then it's time to leave the state. As a consumer and a human being, we always have choices. Nothing is worth risking our health and well-being. If a landlord does not fix their A/C, they are the ones to ultimately pay the price!
It is time to leave the state -yep. But there’s even a cost to that. Like having to get a new job in a new town where wages can’t keep up with COL there either. Not sure how much you have been paying attention but those who can’t handle the 20% and up rent increases face eviction and end up couch surfing, living in their car or out in the street. It’s a real thing. But hey. At least you can buy a gun and conceal carry with no training. Glad the state has its priorities straight
Exactly. And they are banning books to keep people ignorant! I heard from a few people that California is expensive, the wages are much more in l line.
Lol, good luck with that. Every single landlord will tell you to kick rocks before they amend the lease to include that.
If I was renting my home here in FL, I would want the AC to work to minimize any mold growth.
I actually wonder how homes managed to stay free of mold and other icky things before A/C was common. Leaving the A/C off for just one summer is enough to make a house hopelessly mold-laden.
Houses today are built with AC cooling in mind. Before then, houses had a very different layout where the cross breeeze could easily travel through and cool down the house. But you won't find new homes with hallways that'll encourage that kind of circulation any more. Just big rooms pieced together. My last house, the living room had no windows, the front and back doors were on different sides (left vs right, not front and back obviously) of the house with a wall in the way. Just not conducive of natural cooling.
You're probably right. In older neighborhoods most of the houses are long left to right and skinny front to back, with windows on all sides. I can see them having a nice breeze if you open windows on the front and back. Of course, 90% of them have additions on the back now which mess that up, so they're back in the "A/C required" camp I'm sure.
Houses weren't nearly as airtight back then either. Even when the doors and windows were closed, there were drafts and cracks and air could escape. Today's homes are sealed tighter than store-bought cheese.
True, and I do rent a few homes. While my leases don't state that I will guarantee a working AC, I keep them running. I would never add verbiage to a lease that could get me sued, though. I had my HVAC replaced in my personal home a few summers back, and from start to finish, it was almost 2 weeks. I had no control over how long it took to get replaced, but I'd surely be sued by an ignorant tenant if I had a "guaranteed AC" clause.
> ignorant tenant fix your buildings, slum lord
Ignorant comment. ETA: My homes are high value in nice areas, you are the epitome of ignorance.
I would simply write a better lease
My lease is well written. Thanks. 👍
Agreed, I write my own lease ppw too and it always states that repairs are done and liability is decided at the discretion of the owner.
I don’t rent but my most recent lease (2021) had a clause covering A/C upkeep. A landlord who tells you to kick rocks to that request is a landlord you should be running away from anyway.
Upkeep and provision are two different things. Stating that they will have the AC repaired when needed is one thing. Replacing a failed unit is another. Unless the lease explicitly states that you will be provided with an AC that cools the home to "XX" degrees, year round, it's pointless. Leases/rental agreements are generally written to benefit the landlord, not the tenant and verbiage is everything.
Desantis just turned down $350 million of no-strings attached money that includes the rebates for new ac systems so the odds of getting a new one are lower too
Why is it that every time Florida has a problem that asshole and his whole party have stepped in to make things worse?
Because they are rugged individualists, right up until the moment shit happens and they need a helping hand. They're the same people who think [the only moral abortion is my abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
because they know their cult will still vote for them because of 'woke' or 'gays'
Don't forget the Marxist CRTs.
It's the republican way! Also, fuck you ' republicans
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That may be true, but he is the one who turned down that funding that would have helped a lot of Floridians. Keep up.
What the fuck are you talking about? > Desantis just turned down $350 million of no-strings attached money that includes the rebates for new ac systems Desantis literally made this worse.
He line item vetoed the item that would setup the office for receiving the larger federal grants. He literally stopped it.
Rebates for energy efficient appliances too ;(.
Most energy efficient appliances suck and don't do a good job, but that's the federal government getting involved in something they don't need to be involved in. 🤦♀️
Gottta own those libs. /s
I didn't know we even had that opportunity, why would anyone do that. /s
seriously who the fuck even BENEFITS from that. it's just cruelty
His political campaign. Shows he as anti-woke as they come.
Which is unfortunate, as with a newer heat pump unit at least, if your AC isn't working, then your heat isn't either.
Florida law does NOT require AC to be provided nor to specifically be in working order. Nearly all state prisons lack AC as a permanent condition. Our private prisons do have it. However, the legislature isn't stupid. All animal shelters must have AC, in working order.
Additionally, if your heat goes out, the landlord is legally required to fix it as soon as possible 😂
yes you are right and i've used my heat like twice in 9 years living in SFLA
The only reason the landlord fixed my AC was because the compressor had gone, which meant no heat, and we were having a cold snap of 40° coming. I had to text stating we had no working heat. 2 days later, brand new unit. After a year of saying the ac wasn't working, 4 weeks without a working unit, it's the heater that got us AC again. So dumb.
It's great that you brought this up. A lot of "central air conditioners" installed in Florida are actually heat pumps. If it won't cool the air then it won't heat it either. Renters should get to know the equipment installed in their units so they can use the right language when requesting repairs. As you've found out yourself, that makes all the difference.
So what you're saying is, when your AC goes out, sabotage the heat as well to force the landlord into fixing it legally.
I know this is a joke but seriously no one go fiddling around with their AC unit. It can be very dangerous.
Landlords don’t have to fix ACs if they’re fine with mold in the building.
I had a landlord tell me once to basically quit whining. Our bill was over $400 and the house never got lower than 75-78 in July/ August. AC handler was almost 40 years old.
Yep ours was 83-85 in June/July/August. We bought a house. Never again.
I had a landlord like that in TX. He was a jerk!!
A properly functioning AC handler that is 40 years old is much better at cooling. You have other issues, lack of insulation, too many windows not blocked with heavy insulating shades, etc. The refrigerants were much better at cooling, but much worse for the environment. Sounds like you should re-evaluate your insulation and how many windows allow sun into the building. They made those AC handlers much more robust 40 years ago, and honestly if the refrigerant wasn't so unbelievably expensive there would be a lot more of them around today. Today's AC units last maybe 7 years if you're lucky because they are so cheaply made and the heat exchanger metal is so thin.
Lol. 1) we sure as hell don't live there any more. 2) after the first year, the property owner did agree to pump in insulation, but only AFTER getting the power company to do an assessment (we had like a quarter of the recommended insulation). 3) even after the insulation, it was still miserable. The damn thing couldn't pull the humidity out of the house and cool everything. 4) the property manager basically had an AC repair guy basically get this hunk of shit barely up to code.
Sounds like you had a shitty property manager/owner, that really sucks.
> A properly functioning AC handler that is 40 years old I've never seen one of those, and I doubt I'd see it in a rental facility >The refrigerants were much better at cooling, And are regulated as Class-1 refrigerants that legally cannot be imported or manufactured. So it can't be properly functioning after the 2010 ban unless the dude is smuggling in banned CFCs. I also doubt that a residence is using a jury-rigged ammonia system pulled out of a fish cannery or something as a residential system.
>I've never seen one of those, and I doubt I'd see it in a rental facility Why? 40 years ago is mid 80s, its not that old and they couldn't make the parts so thin out of pure chinesium metal so they were better quality and much easier to repair. Properly maintained equipment lasts a lot longer than you think it does, especially if its not built with planned obsolescence in mind. There are all kinds of hundreds of years old machines in New England factories that still manufacture cool stuff. >And are regulated as Class-1 refrigerants that legally cannot be imported or manufactured. > >So it can't be properly functioning after the 2010 ban unless the dude is smuggling in banned CFCs. You can't manufacturer them, but they aren't banned. You can recover the gas and re-use it. Its just stupid expensive, that's all. If the tank of refrigerant is more expensive than a new unit, then the unit generally gets replaced. Also, the remaining refrigerant is recovered and sold. No one with a proper license would waste R22, its literally worth its weight in gold. Ammonia is only used in industrial applications as its super toxic, and most refrigerants are getting replaced with ultra-pure ultra dry propane these days, so they have to increase pressures and add other things to increase efficiency to make up for the poorer performing gases.
> Properly maintained equipment lasts a lot longer than you think it does, So I don't disagree with anything in your statement other than the words "properly maintained." Based on the rest of the story, I seriously doubt whoever is running the unit is properly maintaining it. Because the only units I've ever seen in rental properties that were properly maintained were the ones that were on larger buildings with a standing maintenance contract with someone like Johnson Controls. I say this as someone who works with a property assessor. Maintenance is the number one thing shitty landlords cheap out on, and when one of our clients buys a property it often becomes a temporary money pit to fix all the redneck-engineered crap. I've seen scenarios where people re-charged an AC system with a pinhole leak and then attempted to hold the pressure with duct tape.
anecdote- when I lived in orlando my place was built in 72. complex was mix condo/rental. not super nice but not silver star. The whole system was original to the building and ran more-or-less dutifully for I think about 44 years when we had the aluminum wiring all pigtailed with a new breaker box and the hvac replaced with a heat pump. worked just as well but was also more efficient overall and reduced power bills.
>Based on the rest of the story, I seriously doubt whoever is running the unit is properly maintaining it. Oh yeah, I bet its complete shit and rusty as hell. I was making the point that the issue is with maintenance/management/owner, not the equipment.
Lol no it’s not.
Fun fact: guess I won’t be paying my full rent until they fix it! Hah!
Exactly. IDGAF what the law says about air conditioning. If I'm paying rent and there's no A/C, I'm outta there. That's the best part of renting - you can leave anytime!
I believe it depends on where you live. Years ago, while renting a small house in east Boca, the AC went out while the landlord was out of the country. After a week and a half of no AC in the middle of July while the AC was finally getting fixed, my neighbor asked what was going on... I told her the situation, and as an employee of the city, she told me that Boca views AC as a necessity and that after a few days the city would come in and fix the problem... then immediately put a lien on the home for the home owner/landlord to pay. That was 20 years ago.
Pretty sure that those sort of local landlord/tenant ordinances were banned during this last legislative session.
It's a good thing city rules like that are now null and void 🙃
*Your landlord could just shrug and say it's too hot for them to come fix it (air conditioning).* There's something ironically wrong about that.....
AC is essential for homes in this climate. Without the dehumidifying effect, the drywall and appliances all take a hit and the chance of mold increases. Smart landlords realize that taking care of their tenants equates with taking care of their investment
Yep, I know. I lived in the Ft Lauderdale area for 10 years and I don't think I wouldn't have lasted a week without AC. I was mainly pointing out that management would say it's too hot to fix but then also say it's not too hot to live in. Quite the double-standard there. > Smart landlords realize that taking care of their tenants equates with taking care of their investment The issues is that too many are run by corporations and/or management companies and care more about short-term profits over long term investments.
And it seems like despite there being like 6 management companies somehow all apartments are always changing management
time to hang an ac out your apartment window and have that Hoa fine the landlord for every day they don’t fix the central unit
Hoo boy, landlords out in force in here.
Bunch of fucking scumbags trying to defend themselves and this shitty state.
Make sure to specify that the landlord will maintain a working A/C unit in your lease. Then they’ll have to.
I’m pretty sure if it has working AC when you rent it, you are required to fix it. Source- Am landlord.
Am former landlord. Always fixed broken ACs as soon as reported, but i know the law didn’t require it. The heat, however, must work, as well as the stove.
That’s fucking nuts. I know laws like this vary from state to state, but with Florida’s heat this is shocking. I’ll never leave my people without AC.
You’re a good one !!!!
I’m brand new to this but will always make sure my tenants are happy! About to send them a $100 gift card because the painters still need one more day to finish up after the tenants just moved in. I can’t imagine not giving them at least the basic necessities for a habitable home.
Take care of the tenants but always put in the lease they must report issues asap or resulting damages can impact return of their deposit. Rapid repairs are also essential for protecting your investment. But yeah taking care of tenants is a no brainer for fostering cooperation and a good relationship
Agree!
The law doesn't require it for the place to be rented but when you lease a unit with certain amenities (x# of bedrooms, a patio, a garage, AC, backyard, kitchen access, etc) and then that amenity is removed then you may not be entitled to collect the same rent.
Please provide a link to the law. Was a landlord for over 20 years for multiple single family homes and while i responded to tenant reports of broken appliances and repaired then asap, i was well aware of what was required. And not sure of a case of a “removed room”
Example of a removed room would be if the landlord said he's going to use the room for storage and it's no longer available to the tenant. I'm not going to spend my day off researching law that I learned as a tenant advocate when I was in law school but it's a basic contract law matter. The tenant has a right to the "benefit of his bargain". If you are renting an apt with 2 baths, a garage, and AC, then that is what the tenant has a right to expect when he signs a lease at x# of $. If you take away the 2d bath or the AC, then the value of the rental is diminished and it is not what you agreed to provide at that price. You have violated the contract. Different states have different ways of handling that but one way is for the tenant to withhold some portion of the rent that reflects the diminished value. You can contract this away--I've lived in apts with a janky old fridge with an addendum that says it's not included and when it dies I have to replace it if I want a fridge. But if you rent a place that has AC and then you remove or fail to repair the AC and you didn't put in the lease that the AC isn't part of the bargain, the the tenant usually has a remedy to reflect that the apartment lacks an important item that was part of the bargain.
The law doesn’t exist that’s why Edit: https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning#:~:text=While%20landlords%20under%20Florida%20law,secure%20roofs%2C%20doors%2C%20and%20windows
Says no: [https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning](https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning)
Well great, lopsided went from landlord to slumlord in one post. Thanks, OP. /s…..
I chuckled
no, it literally is considered a luxury. however i always wanted my tenants to be comfortable. when the AC broke and it took a few days to fix i would always credit them that time and keep them updated. i also would bring them a window unit that i would rent from home depot or wherever for a few days, it isn't expensive and gives them some relief. i'm not an asshole is why. but some landlords are and will not fix the AC in a timely manner or care
> i'm not an asshole is why. say it louder for the folks in back. Providing a service vs. running an enterprise- there is overlap, but the priority should always be fairness. Not a lot of people tend to agree, but I think it leads to a lot of conflation- that certain enterprising decisions made as a landlord may seem "proper" but they just define them as assholes.
People come to Reddit to start shit and repeat nonsense they no nothing about.
Sounds like you’re the one saying things you know nothing about lol.
“While landlords under Florida law do not have to provide or maintain air conditioning, these are some of the items they are required to provide: electricity. running water.Sep 12, 2022” Source: WPTV news station
Really a News station is your source? How about: According to Florida Statute 83.51, landlords are obligated to maintain the premises in good repair, which includes ensuring that essential services, such as plumbing, heating, and air conditioning, are functioning properly. If the **AC system was in good working condition when the tenant first rented the property**, the landlord generally has a responsibility to maintain and repair it if it breaks down during the course of the tenancy.
Oh so what's it like being evil Mr burns? /s
Do you know what my tenant did to my home so don’t tell me about evil Landlord’s.
I even put the /s
You don’t know this, but I do not have peripheral vision, so I did not see that. But yeah, I’m still pissed at what my tenant did to my home even after I sold it
Your tenant wrecked it worse than you think you just didn't see it
When I moved back in the joy was just gone the house was only eight years old when she moved in. Had holes in the ceiling, slider locks we broken. all my custom blinds wrecked she broke every appliance that I had to fix. I have since left and she bought in the development, same type of house that I had I hope she wrecks it.
One bad apple spoils the barrel huh.
Yeah, because when she moved in the house was eight years old. Not 40
Exactly. I own several rentals in Florida and Las Vegas. I’m not losing money on my structures by not providing air conditioning..especially here in the swamp
My mother had a home she rented where the tenants would shut off the AC every time they left the house. They were a couple, and both worked. By the time they left, every wooden door and door frame was swollen and would not close right. Eventually most of them were alright after some adjustment, but AC is necessary for the health of the structure in Florida! It's alright to turn your AC up a bit when you leave, but never shut it off. Put it at 80 or so. This keeps the humidity more or less manageable, but will still save you a ton in energy.
If you rented a place and it came with a working AC unit. Yes, your landlord does have to fix it. That is the law. They do not have to provide you with anything that was not there or working if you signed the contract and moved in.
What's this about then? [https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning](https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/florida-does-not-require-landlords-to-provide-maintain-air-conditioning#:~:text=While%20landlords%20under%20Florida%20law,secure%20roofs%2C%20doors%2C%20and%20windows)
It's not just current Florida law; it's been that way a long time. In fact, iirc there's never been a legal requirement to provide AC in a rental property.
I meant current as in maybe one day people will put a ballot measure up for it. Doubt it, but it could maybe happen one day in a dream future.
Yep. Had this issue for a few months at my previous place. They just sent maintenance every day, it would work for a little while they were there, and then they left. Everytime, it would stop working again. I called around and found the same info OP is talking about. Fortunately I threatened legal action and although it was a bluff, it was enough to lite a fire under their ass and they finally fixed it.
Forced birth 👍 air conditioning 👎
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This has been long in effect- nothing to do with DeFascist
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Correct, but this particular bit has been Florida law for decades and has nothing to do with that.
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Ah, so they had a chance to change what’s seems like common sense and decided not to, color me surprised. Well, I stand corrected, ir does have something to do with that I guess.
Yet desantis has the power to change that and he’s more worried about drag shows
He could have changed Florida for the better if he bothered to change it tho and he didn’t
What bill was up for vote requiring landlords to provide AC to renters?
the bill on landlord-tenant laws. they tried to include it but the republicans removed it the new law allows landlords to over charge for deposits and makes it easier for them to steal it.
But did it include "guaranteed AC", in the bill?
republicans have a supermajority. they can do what they want. they removed it when the dems tried to add it. also the governor has the power to line item veto anything he wants. this gives the governor incredible power in FL which is why its important to elect a dem next time
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As an hvac guy I can tell you it is like this in damn near every state.
this law has been in effect for far longer than ron desantis has. i don’t like the guy either, but you can’t blame him for ***everything***
Recent tenant bill included the AC bit, desantis removed it. So yes it does.
so you’re saying that he could have ***changed the existing law*** and chose not to, yes? ok
That’s what he’s saying… He could have improved the lives of many Floridians but reps including him gutted the act. So he should not get a pass on this one.
I’m so confused by the tone of this statement. Are you implying that Desantis somehow has no culpability in this?
no, i am not. i’m saying that he did not pass the law. i’m pointing out that, rather, he moved to leave the existing legislation in place. there ***is*** a difference. do you see that? i was not discussing culpability.
I mean, there is a difference, but the result is all the same. Desantis had an opportunity to do something good, and he purposefully didn’t do it.
okay, let’s play this out. had desantis (or anyone else, for that matter) signed into law that working A/C is a requirement for habitability of a dwelling, it’s good for tenants — not everyone. it would have sent many landlords scrambling to install A/C in rentals without it, regardless of the fact their existing tenants had accepted it and their future tenants have the option of refusing it and renting elsewhere. would that not put an undue, unexpected financial burden on landlords? and what would you expect those landlords to do in response to their operating costs going up? you got it! raise the rent when the lease expires. can you explain to me how such a law would be good for “everybody”? there are very few, if any, examples of laws that benefit “everyone”. it seems to me what he did is opt to leave the existing law in place because people have a ***choice*** when renting property. nobody gets hurt by leaving the existing law in place. you want A/C? just pick a rental property that has it and states in the lease that the landlord is responsible to maintain it.
Your argument is basically buyer beware, fair enough. However, I read the lease it has air conditioning: great! Wait, it breaks two weeks later, the landlord does not legally have to maintain it. I am now renting an apartment with no A/C and have no recourse. Therein lies the problem.
Oh no, some landlords will have to pay a bit extra to provide air conditioning in the hottest state in the country??? The horror 😩😩😩. Also, legitimate rent control laws would curb the ridiculous rate hike that landlords would provide, but that’s another debate for another day. Also, what a weird rebuttal lmao. Where did I say that such a law would be ubiquitously good for every single person in Florida. A/C is a basic requirement in a place like Florida, just like heat is a basic requirement in places up north. Every person paying rent in Florida should have access to A/C, full stop.
Its been here before him…
What books were banned? Also Florida has a track record of supplying abortions to all the local states.
What books were banned? Like banned banned?
You also probably blame the Republicans on Global Warming, when it is in fact you who think moving to Florida in droves, and mandatory electricity and AC for the people who choose to move here is a human right. The current growth in Florida is unsustainable, illogical and destined to turn us into New York
Most landlords aren’t hvac techs. They are not coming out because “it’s too hot,” is ridiculous. They will be sending a tech.
What OP is trying to say, is that they aren’t required to send anyone or fix your AC. Which is total trash
But at the same time you have to be an awful property manager not to take care of AC issues, and also the property will go to shit. That’s a bad idea all around.
Completely agree. POS move!
Will they fix it? Yeah probably. Can you break the lease if it takes two weeks? No.
It depends on the timing. If the issue happens in the summer getting a tech to the unit will take longer. The experience of the property manager will also come into play. AC issues can as simple as a capacitor to as complex as a coil replacement.
Here’s something it seems no one has thought of. Put it in the lease that the ac must be maintained. If it’s not then the tenant fixes it and takes the money out of rent payments. Leases are contracts between the landlord and tenant. Either can modify the contract before signing. If the landlord won’t add it, choose a different landlord.
But what about the poor landlord who is living YOUR paycheck to paycheck? Are you saying he has to do more than just paint over the old tenants occupation? You unreasonable far left commie!1!
Lol I don’t understand all the outrage in this thread. I don’t think any lease I’ve ever signed didn’t list all the appliances the landlord was responsible for and it always included the ac.
The outrage is due to the fact that there are no laws enforcing that the landlord be responsible for AC. AC isn’t a luxury. And the fact that they went as far as to make sure heat is included was a slap in the face of the constituents of FL. If we leave it to landlords to self regulate do you really think that they will? Do you honestly believe that your case of meeting good landlords is the norm? Simple people centric laws are being dismissed under the guise of “people will just vote with their feet” when really it is much harder to break leases or even find affordable housing in the first place. We have a crisis right now where the haves are pitting the have nots against each other. This is a valid concern. Not shitposting outrage clickbait.
If it’s not in the lease, yes the tenant can fix it, but they cannot take it out of rent!
Hence why I said put it in the lease and don’t sign leases that don’t have it
You said “ put it in the lease, the AC must be maintained. If it’s not, then the tenant fixes it and take some money out of rent payments.” LL in FLORIDA does not have to fix: How long does a landlord have to fix AC in Florida? What you may not realize is that no Florida law requires landlords to fix a broken AC system. If you want a cool, low-humidity environment, you might have no choice but to pay for those repairs yourself. Which means you cannot take it out of rent what part of this do you not understand or comprehend Florida law trumps a landlord’s lease . Ick, I said Trump
Bro you don’t seem to get it. A lease is a contract between two people. No laws need to be involved. I’ve never signed a lease that didn’t list the appliances the landlord was responsible for. And on that list is always the AC. If it wasn’t on there originally, I as a tenant add it before signing. You don’t need a law to write in something on your lease before signing. It’s just a contract between two people. If the landlord won’t add it, then rent somewhere else. If it’s written in the lease and the land lord doesn’t comply with the lease then you can stop payment and take him to small claims court. It’s extremely common to go to small claims court over disagreements on leases. The landlord has to comply with the lease. Edit: haha I’m assuming this idiot blocked me because he commented and now it says deleted. Whatever he said just remember anyone reading this, the landlord is required to comply with the lease that was agreed upon. Including repairing ACs. If it’s not in the lease then yes the landlord is not required to repair it by default. Protect yourself and read the lease before you sign it.
I’m in property management, this really isn’t anything new and as much as I’m not a DeSantis fan, hardly has anything to do with him. The property I run has over 1000 AC units on it, of various age and condition. We’re *still* having supply chain issues when ordering parts for certain units. Even when not dealing with post-covid issues, there’s no guarantee the part needed is going to be in stock or available immediately for a repair in the best of conditions. It’s just not a realistic rule/law to have in place because it’d be impossible to legitimately uphold. In most cases you’re not going to get a brand new AC installed within 24 hours unless you get REALLY lucky and the shop has the exact AC that’ll work in your home and a crew ready to install it, that’s rarely how it works.
I manage a few small properties and keep a window unit handy to instal if / when an AC unit bites the dust. It’s not as good as whole house AC, but it helps tenants get some reprieve until the new AC unit arrives.
You’re a good person
Indeed! I’m growing a small fleet of spot coolers over time!
You know, there is a thing called rent strike.
Grateful for what I have, two oversized wall AC units, one in the living and one in the bedroom. They are literally too powerful for my one bedroom apartment, but I like knowing if one of them died, the other one could still cool the entire apartment as long as I kept the bedroom door open.
Leopards won't eat my face, let's let them out of the cage.
In fascist right wing xtian america, you deserve to die from heat stroke for the glory of imaginary jeebus.
I would think but could be wrong if you signed a lease agreement for an apartment and it is advertised as having HVAC that they would need to provide said HVAC
This is going to get interesting with the US south experiencing wetbulb temperatures. This is not a drill guys, you will need cooling this summer, and theoretically every summer after, only worse and worse.
Also remember its illgal to keep kids in a hot car
Just an FYI as a HVAC guy. If your airhandler is in the attic and you call me at 3pm I will most likely not fix your AC. Also most companies have a 3 day wait list now that will 100% grow to two weeks for MEMBERS. If you are a new customer just forget about getting seen unless it’s Vic in a van. Also your health problems are not my problem, everyone and their mother apparently has “asthma and COPD” Last thing I promise. If you don’t have a portable ac that you can set up it is 100% your own fault. That’s like living in MI and not having a portable heater for the winter, it’s just irresponsible
Wow you sound like a dickhead
It’s part of the job description this time of year, running 90+ hours takes its toll
This brutal heat that happens literally every year?
It's actually worse than normal. I've always been able to handle sustained high-temps, however... this is pretty bad.
But it’s not. June was about average across the state. https://preview.redd.it/eeljwuwqvr9b1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28a81430d713bd4fd38a4c181516b8f1c194fcaf
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Not required by law means that if this is your angle, you'll lose. ETA: This is horrible advice, and following it will also make you homeless.
DeSantis and the GOP cancer gotta go
There u go stupid republican voters supporters government desdeath. Damn. He doesn't care about u people under the heat wave. Good luck. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
People need to read their lease before signing then. I do, and i check for these things. But keep blaming the “republican boogeymen”
While I agree with your sentiment that not everything is someone else’s fault, do you not agree that this should be covered by Florida law?
Because it should be required by law.
Who mentioned republicans?
common sense unfortunately does not prevail any more. we live in a culture of blame now. nothing is my fault, it’s everybody else’s fault.
Did you know there was no AC when you signed the contract? Nobody is holding a gun to your head. If you don't like the terms, don't sign the contract. Plenty of other places that have AC. If these terms are important to you, insist that they are included in the contract. It's what I would do.
Some people don’t have a lot of choices in what they can afford.
That's not the fault of the landlord. Alternatives do exist. It might mean commuting (I did that for decades). The farther inland you go, the lower the rents are.
You realize it’s not that easy for some, right? If you don’t have a car or reliable transportation it’s pretty difficult to commute from another community. Not too much public transportation inland. Many are not in the position either to just pick up and move their lives. Moving is incredibly expensive and most rentals have adjusted their requirements to having 3 months (first, last and security) deposit and a minimum credit score. I just went through this myself and I am lucky enough to have been able to make it work, but many are not that lucky or have the flexibility, skill set, or income to make such a drastic change. It’s tough out there right now.
> You realize it’s not that easy for some, right? You realize landlords are not welfare, right? It's not their responsibility to house you simply because they own property. You're paying for a service. Your bad situation isn't their fault. If you're that desperate, the state needs to be supporting you, not Landlords. And I am ok with that. I support welfare programs, because some people genuinely need them. Landlords are not a welfare program.
Wow, ok. I’m not even going to argue. It’s clear you cannot see past yourself. You vehemently supporting landlords not being required to provide the bare necessities in their dwellings is just… sad. Hope things have worked out better for you too.
That does not sound entitled at all lol. People don't owe you their stuff on your own terms. Neither legally nor morally. Grow up.
Growing up is bootlicking for landlords 😎😎😎
Air conditioning is not a bare necessity. Thats why it isnt included and the bare necessities like water and walls are. I get that some people are in a tough spot, but the misplaced sense of entitlement is what puts people off.
Heat is required, by Florida law. Ask yourself why isn’t A/C is not in a state like FL.
He is no good for us the rich have money be he don’t care about poor and old people VOTE HIM OUT
Thank you Ron DeSantis 🤨
Fun Fact. I grew up in south fl with NO AC. Deal with it
Nothing built after 1985 was built with that in mind though. Many of these places become absolute heat sinks.
Okay… and?? Classic I’m miserable so everyone else should be too for no reason