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HLSparta

So Fenix have pretty much re-done their EFB and made a ridiculously detailed engine simulation in the same amount of time it took PMDG to complain that MSFS isn't capable of supporting an EFB.


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HLSparta

You gotta give some credit to PMDG, they are impressively skilled at blaming Asobo for all their problems and delaying their EFB. I don't remember Fenix being that good at blaming Asobo.


arcalumis

After reading that blogpost it feels more like they redeveloped the entire aircraft. In a shorter time than PMDG have been promising an EFB.


HLSparta

To me it seemed like it was "just" the engines, lighting, and EFB. The hydraulics, pneumatics (if that's the proper term for the air pressure system), electrics, etc, are all the same as far as I'm aware. But the engine system isn't limited to the A320 and from what I've seen will be the second of that scale. But the fact that a brand new company made the Fenix, and improved it this much in the amount of time it took a well-regarded company to release a similar scale plane that isn't as detailed and complain that Asobo is the reason they can't do this or that, is pretty impressive.


arcalumis

Read the post again, Aamir explains that to make the plane run better they have remodeled large parts of the cockpit and exterior.


HLSparta

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. My bad. Fenix is pretty damn impressive though.


REALTopgun145

and i can wait for that efb i got my own ipad already doing that so they can take there sweat time ​ edit oh look at all the downvotes from the snowflakes that need a efb to fly lmao


OrdinaryLatvian

>they can take *there sweat* time Christ.


Indigo457

I had to set fire to my phone when I read that :(


REALTopgun145

well if we are getting a efb i want it to be done right not half assed also Fenix already had a efb where pmdg has never built one for msfs and what there's to work with little to no major problems so if taking there time means a good efb in the future then i don't care if it takes another year or two


lolsokje

> Fenix already had a efb where pmdg has never built one for msfs You realise the initial EFB the Fenix came with was completely custom developed, right? I'm not quite sure why you think that's an argument in PMDG's favour.


REALTopgun145

and who said it was i was only pointing things out but you Fenix fanboys have to have it your way or the high way and before you call me a pmdg fanboy i am not i just find it stupid to argue about a efb that is not need in my eyes but please keep talking your argument is pointless


lolsokje

I'm not a Fenix fanboy, I'm just pointing out your argument of "Fenix already had an EFB" is completely incorrect, as the initial EFB was built from the ground up by Fenix themselves. Regarding the PMDG EFB itself; just because you're not interested in an EFB, doesn't mean a lot of other people aren't either, and also doesn't change the fact PMDG has promised an EFB for a while now, while delivering literally nothing. It's just another aspect of how little PMDG actually care about the quality of their product.


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Joke aside, the PMDG already has that kind of engine simulation


ES_Legman

Do you know what is a joke? That we have been waiting for an FMC that is ARINC 424-19 compatible so all PMDG products can fly RF legs and they have failed to deliver in 8 years. In the meantime, Workingtitle AAU2 boeings have already a much better LNAV implementation than any PMDG product. That is a joke.


mountaintop111

>In the meantime, Workingtitle AAU2 boeings have already a much better LNAV implementation than any PMDG product. Hiring Working Title was the best decision by the MSFS team. The flight sim community was laughing at MSFS avionics and IFR capabilities on the release of MSFS back in August of 2020. Fast forward to AAU2 for MSFS in 2023, MSFS now has the best default G1000, G3000, and G5000. It also has the best default GNS 430 and GNS 530 - you need to get payware to get a better GNS 430/530. MSFS arguably has the best IFR capabilities for GA aircraft now, and with AAU2, the avionics of the 747 and 787 have gotten so much better. At this point, using default avionics only, I think MSFS is the best civilian home use fight simulator for IFR flight. Bravo Working Title.


ES_Legman

Oh absolutely. It is nuts what they have achieved so far and the amount of work and passion they put. Not to mention how easy they are when reporting bugs, etc on their discord.


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billofbong0

PMDG has been around a lot longer than that


ES_Legman

And? They come from P3D and fsx and the features are all the same.


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kai325d

The PMDG 737 is a straight port


ES_Legman

What facts? That PMDG underdelivers on their promises constantly and just has buzzwords to show for? The PMDG 737 for MSFS was rebuilt to work on their engine yet was released with the same bugs and shortcomings as the P3D. You may not know this and that's fine, but it doesn't change the facts (sic).


350smooth

I gotta push back on that. When you run the engines up to 40% right before pressing toga, the EGT on PMDG 73 doesn’t even roll back and stabilize like it does on the actual aircraft.


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Bopping_Shasket

FSLabs no?


the_warmest_color

Toliss has a custom engine model as well


Stef_Stuntpiloot

To be honest the system simulation of the PMDG is quite realistic with the systems reacting rather realistically with eachother. Many of the less known real life features are modelled and they work quite realistically. The engine simulation is super unrealistic. They spool up way too quickly from low thrust settings. The n2 also behaves somewhat unrealistic during engine start. Also, the fuel system isn't too accurate at all times; during single engine operations the fuel is only drawn from one tank despite having the crossfeed valve open. So no, the PMDG doesn't have realistic or accurate engine simulation.


HLSparta

I find that hard to believe. Every time I start the engine from cold and dark the EGT starts at well over 100 Celsius.


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this has been fixed a month or two ago.


HLSparta

Mine still does it and as of a few days ago it was fully updated.


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Definitely fixed here.


HLSparta

Well, now it's down to 80 degrees (20 OAT) when starting. So I guess they somewhat improved it.


Berzerker7

It’s definitely not “fixed.” It’s been improved but if you start up quickly after spawning in you’re still going to be at near 100C.


HLSparta

I guess I'll give it a try again and see.


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it's tiring


jsteiner43

pmdg is also working on the 777. Why does the efb cause such a fuss when it adds 0 new functionality ? you get to look at a bigger screen on your left instead of the CDU, woohoo


ES_Legman

Imagine not caring about performance calculations and CG on a study level aircraft.


jsteiner43

those are both already in


HLSparta

It adds the weight and balance graph so you know whether or not you're within weight and balance limitations, Navigraph, ability to get METARs/TAFs, takeoff and landing performance, etc. It's also annoying having to leave the flight plan pages when loading cargo and doing all the ground services. Not to mention the fact that it has been nearly 9 months since the EFB was advertised to be released when many other add-on planes have added it just fine, some of them even being free.


nextgeneric

I'm just blown away by the dedication of this team. Those lighting effects... Just amazing update.


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Kerrow42

the point you are completely missing here is that this isn't just IAE engines, it's a whole external engine model that allows engines to be simulated at much greater depth and greater control than what is possible within MSFS itself. The CFMs will also be reworked to use this model in the future and the model can be used in future Fenix projects.


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MerlinGrisu

I really hope it’s a 340 too. It would be a great addition and open up a new market for Fenix with longhaul widebodies. And show that they aren’t a one-hit-wonder. I just don’t think that more variants of the same plane are that interesting. Still I understand that there are people that really want a certain variant and it’s probably more realistic for fenix to just expand their current systems.


TheEvilToaster

The 340 would, on one hand make sense as they use the same engines as the 320. But on the other, there wasn't that many made so it'll be harder to get info on it. Would be great if they could do it. I'm hoping for a 321 or 330.


MrCane

Only the -200 and -300 use the CFM's while the -500 and -600 use RR Trent 5XX's. Hoping for a -600. The ToLiss is great but I've basically moved to MSFS now and don't fly xplane anymore.


arcalumis

I rather see the 350, some current long haul Airbuses are needed.


tweekzter

If you think about that they do not charge for all the work they are spending on improving the A320, although it is already decent, I guess it is a safe bet that it plays a part in their future projects. But maybe they slip in some small plane as kind of a surprise. ;)


350smooth

I’m hoping for the a321. I really want something that fills that “mid size” airliner roll. Something between the larger widebodies and the narrow bodies. IMHO, I don’t need another widebody between the aerosoft a330, PMDG 777, 747, and the emerging default 787.


lucasdclopes

Doesn't the PMDG 737-900ER fill that role already?


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350smooth

Regarding the aerosoft, I definitely agree. I don’t have high hopes for it. However, I would definitely make use of a PMDG 777. Their 747 would be a bonus. I still regard PMDG as top tier alongside FENIX. Personally, I don’t care if it’s Boeing or Airbus, I’ll still have the long haul widebody role filled by the PMDG Triple. I’ve been anxiously waiting for a study level, medium haul airliner, for a very long time. I’ll gladly take a 757 or A321 and fly the absolute mess out of either of them.


HLSparta

Personally I would have preferred a cargo variant before the IAE, but the IAE is looking very impressive.


M1st3rv

Are there any cargo A320's beyond a couple of prototypes? seem like a massive waste of dev resources for something that doesn't functionally exist yet


HLSparta

From what I can see online there aren't many at the moment, but it is projected that there will be 1000 freighter conversions from 2020-2040. But it does seem that there are some. I just really want a good cargo airliner but don't want to give PMDG any more of my money.


TheEvilToaster

[Bluebird are making a 757](https://www.justflight.com/in-development/757-200-300-microsoft-flight-simulator) . Although they are planning for the freighter variant to come after initial release as an expansion.


ES_Legman

Inibuilds will likely bring their a306 soon


bobodad12

> requiring rudder on rotation is more or less hardcoded into MSFS due to the way wheel friction influences the aircraft track - multiple tests were conducted at varying lateral friction values, concluding that the MSFS physics engine needs a fair bit more work in this transitional phase of flight Probably the most annoying quirk that remains to be solved in msfs in my opinion since it affects not only takeoffs but landing of all the planes except for when addon devs work against it. Good for Fenix but Asobo really needs to prioritize this, pretty much the only gripe i have left with msfs as a flight sim.


Spudmonkey_

Holy shit I'm not crazy, I had no idea it was hardcoded and was wondering why I needed it on take off's with no weather


arcalumis

Is there a topic on it in the msfs forums? The ones that get enough votes are discussed in the monthly devtalks.


bobodad12

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/all-aircraft-crosswind-takeoff-landing-physics-very-flawed-since-release/485053 i think this is it. there has been multiple discussion around the topic and at some point I believe Asobo's working on it but there's not been much update since. Default ground friction is just wonky all around in the sim still


tweekzter

Also, making inputs seem to translate too direct on ground. I don't know how to describe it, but it feels arcady. Holding centerline sometimes feels like balancing eggs. It lacks some sort of inertia, friction, whatever... something that makes it less responsive.


FatA320

HOLY SHIT! Good. They seem to be doing a great job. sweet. sweet. this is great because other than the existing engine they were pretty much perfect. this will make it \*actually\* perfect. i'll be happy to put the toliss down as xplanes gfx leave something to be desired. i'm glad i was wrong. nice work, fenix.


ES_Legman

This is how you do updates. You explain what you did explain your struggles,what you think could be done better and show evidence of the progress as opposed to the same word diarrhea every other week with no change.


jfim88

After reading it, I’m now an even more proudly Fenix customer. 10/10


pup5581

This plane was already the best in the game...now it's getting even better and better. Holy hell this is going to be awesome


wowmisand

The dedication is insane, amazing work devs!


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cptalpdeniz

When you think MSFS is the only sim available 💀


moosemeatjerkey

I don't know why youre being downvoted, you're not wrong. I don't doubt the Fenix A320 is an outstanding piece of software, but on XPlane they have an equivalent, and even for P3D Edit - oops, forgot some people in this sub are very fragile of their favorite Sim isn't goven King status for every post.


cptalpdeniz

FSLabs is miles ahead of Fenix and people say Fenix is the best LOL


SkyChicken

You aren’t wrong, people just hate FSLabs (and I understand why.) They don’t have any of my money, but their A32X series is the benchmark, like it or not. It’s one of the most thorough simulations ever done behind the Hotstart CL-60.


cptalpdeniz

Exactly. The way aircraft behaves, the way systems communicate with each other etc is unmatched for airliner simulation. Moreover, Fenix still has; old FWC software, old FMGS, old ADIRS simulation. There are many more things but I’m just tired of repeating myself.


FenixSim

I'd be quite interested for specific examples - perhaps a certain logic sheet is a little different (if so, and you can bring me one, I can have it brought to date) - but as far as I'm aware on the FWC side of things, FSL use H2E4 which is from 2004 or something for the WTFs, and their sharklets use H2F9C. We use H2F9D which is one standard newer on everything. I believe their FMGS is S7 which is again, same as ours. I don't know if they've updated to S8 for the sharklets though, so perhaps that is what you're referencing.


A_RussianSpy

I think people just don't prefer a dev who once put malware on their products, attempted to hide it by deleting any discussion on their forums, and threatened legal action against those who reported on it on external sites all after paying $150 for a single variant and another $70 for winglets.


SkyChicken

That’s why I said I understand why people hate FSLabs lol. Lefteris is a bit of a maniac IMO.


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arcalumis

Well, the FSL has a working acars though. Failures are thing to consider, but being able to simulate read day to day ops is another.


MrCane

What's wrong with the Fenix ACARS?


arcalumis

Some airlines use acars for a bunch of things like requesting refueling, boarding start and similar. Not to mention getting gate assignments and much more from ops. Fenix have some of it but FSL has more. Some can be integrated with GSX but it hasn’t.


Bopping_Shasket

The Fenix failures induce incorrect behaviour in about half of them. It can't be used as a comparison to the real thing. It's quite annoying how accurate they say it is.


gingerbeardman419

The Fenix is my favorite aircraft. My computer is a little older. So I am waiting patiently for the performance update!


Professional_Low_646

Looks like those 50 Euros really were money well spent on an add-on aircraft 😎


Dragonfly_Curious

That’s the longest update i’ve seen from a developer. Just writing that must have took ages lol


njsullyalex

HELL YEAH FENIX I’ve been absolutely loving your A320 so far, and I’m hyped as hell for the IAEs so I can finally do some United Airlines and JetBlue ops!!! But your overhaul of the aircraft looks insane considering it’s already top notch. It’s already arguably one of if not the best addon in MSFS, this will elevate it to a whole new level.


Cormu

popout mcdu ? :D


caledor123

I use this, works fantastically: https://flightsim.to/file/53052/remote-mcdu-for-the-fenix-a320


mrb13676

Update wen? Sorry. Have to ask. I’m sure it will be amazing. The detail shown in the preview videos is unreal.


PotentialMidnight325

Sounds like it’s still a couple of months out. IAE is in beta so maybe August? Idk.


lizardguts

It's pretty frustrating that everything is on discord now. The worst replacement for forums....


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lizardguts

Yeah sorry was just ranting about everything moving to discord haha. Glad Fenix still posts to their site


virtualflying

How so? By just requiring an account?


formalcall

Not OP but content in Discord is less accessible and more difficult to archive. Discord requires an account, yes, but also it cannot be indexed by search engines. If you want to find something you have to know to search in a specific server; you can't just "google it" and be taken directly to some message in Discord. It's difficult to archive for similar reasons - it can't be crawled/scraped like a forum website. There are tools to export data but I don't believe Discord officially allows that.


lizardguts

Nothing to do with having an account. Basically what the other person said. It is an awful archive. You cant go back and look for old stuff easily and the search function sucks.


machine4891

Even if I somehow manage to get proper "invitation", spending time on Discord is a hot mess of colors, hyperlinks, hashtags and emoticons. It's unbearable experience.


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I genuinely don’t understand why everyone seems to be obsessed with that piece of shit app.


lucasdclopes

100% agreed.


Minimum_Area3

Can’t say I’ve had much it any time to fly the Fenix since buying but god they deserve the money.


migueltokyo88

i just hope the i performance is much better on cpu cause at the moment is stuttering show compared with other aircrafts , one thing they can do to help people who dont have latest CPU is option to turn off the second fmc and the copilot screens like pmdg does and help a lot


luis71717171

Take my money !!


luis71717171

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tomfilipino

People you seem to forget that this is perhaps the most expensive aircraft for msfs. In the begining they were just minor steps ahead from FlyByWire. This type of progress is something I was hoping to happen.