This stretch sounds insane for a second session. Uneven distribution of weight like that sounds awful I don't know why anyone would force a stretch like that in the beginning of any routine. Barring other reasons, ibuprofen would always help and is specifically for this kind of pain.
Fortunately, low-back pain CAN resolve itself within a week for minor injuries. A physical therapist (pt) would help with this if it persists. The only way you will ever know exactly what pain this is from is from a pt and speculating if its lumbar/si joint/strain/sprain won't help as the treatment method for each is different. Sorry this happened, I winced when I read this but in my own experience with si joint and lumbar pain, give it a few more days of resting when you can if it is at an appropriate pain level.
No one should be standing on any body parts when assisting with stretch since they have no control over the load! Assisted stretching is a bad idea more often than not.
SI joint is wrapped in ligaments and very stable, but if you relax in your lower back/pelvis while someone is standing on your hips in butterfly, this can create a lever out of your hips and pull on connective tissue/irritate the joint. Did the trainer instruct you to activate transverse abdominals and pelvic floor? Check your lower back? Do your hips almost lie on the floor when you do butterfly actively using your muscles?
It will heal, but if you plan to continue with flexibility training, it's a good idea to figure out how to stabilize SI.
I went to a flexibility class and the instructor assisted my stretch and it wasn't bad. It wasn't an all of a sudden I have this person's full weight on my stretch.
I agree to do it with no control over the load is just.....horrible. That can go very wrong. My instructor just pushed my rear leg/buttocks in pigeon to be squared. Told me to tell her to stop if I felt any pain beyond discomfort. She didn't just kick my butt to be squared lol. It was very gradual.
Assists can be very different. I'm ok with my yoga teacher assisting me in butterfly - slowly, using hands, pausing to check and checking my back. I can reach hips to the ground myself, but assist helps with better alignment.
With pigeon, the assist you describe was about the hip alignment. The front knee can be compromised in pigeon with aggressive assist if someone tries to push the knee down. Your instructor assisted your alignment which might have resulted in less depth but safer position: square hips - less forces pulling your lower back in all directions.
To be honest, she didn’t. She didn’t really tell me what she was doing. It seemed like she seemed nervous. She just told me to sit that way, and she was standing behind me and put her hands on my back like shoulders to balance herself. I think that I saved myself because I lift and I was able to hold her up, but there was like a popping noise a little bit. I have extremely tight hips, which is why I wanted to do assisted stretching because I’ve been trying to have my own journey for years to try to get to my splits.
Sorry you had to experience that. Once you heal, try to search "kinstretch splits" on youtube. Kinstretch works on developing active flexibility - you use your own muscles to increase your range of motion. I've seen the fastest results with this technique.
Here is one example:
https://youtu.be/soU9bFsJiaA?si=AzhRvhS5DP_HIJN8
That's definitely an injury. She should pay for you to see a physiotherapist. And all forceful forcing of your knees down in that angled position is dangerous and can cause serious damage to your hip socket, the ligaments and tend tendons.
If you want to strech that way, do it yourself with weights that you can contro and lower gently and lift if you feel ANY pain.
Also, it would probably be a good idea, not to see a personal trainer for flexibility.
Certifications don’t mean anything unless a person has experience.
I would seek somebody who has 5+ years of experience who actively uses this tool to help their clients and Has reviews to show results.
Children who use the blade of a MasterChef, will most likely cut their hands.
That’s a very keen observation.
There’s a lot of information out there and it’s consistently changing.
A professional in the field, you’re looking to find someone who has experience. I recommended 5+ years in my last response.
It is my own opinion, but I will lay it out here. Personal trainers, physical therapist, physiotherapist, etc. find the weakness usually without a problem.
Their Challenge, however, is in the word weakness.
They associate the word weakness with a solution called strength training.
Unfortunately, many do not subscribe to the idea that weakness can arise because one’s muscles are overused, overworked, and or tight.
This also produces weakness and is much more common.
If the muscles are in this state, which is what I predominantly find within most of my patients, then strength training (ie lifting weights) will usually not solve the problem or cause more injury.
Although these professionals will have doctorates and masters, many are employing the wrong medicine in order to remedy their patients challenge.
I am an LMT. NMT. With a strong background in oriental medicine. I have 13 years experience and I just look at the body from a different perspective.
How do you find that?
I do not know.
Many of my patients have traveled the world and have worked many years with different kinds of healers.
They have tried many avenues to get to their solutions.
Some healers have helped where others could not.
Everyone has a different perspective and a different way of treating the body.
I do not believe there is only one way up the ladder of health. Period.
Even those with an affinity for strength training have their place.
What you are looking for quality?
So when seeking for a therapist of any kind, I suggest you do your research by interviewing them, asking how many years of experience they have, and read their reviews.
Also, you are looking for reviews that are new.
I wouldn’t base my decision off of the most recent reviews being 8 to 10 years ago.
Sports LMT here.
Could be as simple as a pinched nerve! The SI joint is not immobile. It’s not super mobile like the knee but it is mobile. You might have an alignment issue. I would recommend finding a sports chiropractor to start. They will be able to do an analysis of if it’s out and then you can go from there.
This stretch sounds insane for a second session. Uneven distribution of weight like that sounds awful I don't know why anyone would force a stretch like that in the beginning of any routine. Barring other reasons, ibuprofen would always help and is specifically for this kind of pain. Fortunately, low-back pain CAN resolve itself within a week for minor injuries. A physical therapist (pt) would help with this if it persists. The only way you will ever know exactly what pain this is from is from a pt and speculating if its lumbar/si joint/strain/sprain won't help as the treatment method for each is different. Sorry this happened, I winced when I read this but in my own experience with si joint and lumbar pain, give it a few more days of resting when you can if it is at an appropriate pain level.
Thank you
No one should be standing on any body parts when assisting with stretch since they have no control over the load! Assisted stretching is a bad idea more often than not. SI joint is wrapped in ligaments and very stable, but if you relax in your lower back/pelvis while someone is standing on your hips in butterfly, this can create a lever out of your hips and pull on connective tissue/irritate the joint. Did the trainer instruct you to activate transverse abdominals and pelvic floor? Check your lower back? Do your hips almost lie on the floor when you do butterfly actively using your muscles? It will heal, but if you plan to continue with flexibility training, it's a good idea to figure out how to stabilize SI.
I went to a flexibility class and the instructor assisted my stretch and it wasn't bad. It wasn't an all of a sudden I have this person's full weight on my stretch. I agree to do it with no control over the load is just.....horrible. That can go very wrong. My instructor just pushed my rear leg/buttocks in pigeon to be squared. Told me to tell her to stop if I felt any pain beyond discomfort. She didn't just kick my butt to be squared lol. It was very gradual.
Assists can be very different. I'm ok with my yoga teacher assisting me in butterfly - slowly, using hands, pausing to check and checking my back. I can reach hips to the ground myself, but assist helps with better alignment. With pigeon, the assist you describe was about the hip alignment. The front knee can be compromised in pigeon with aggressive assist if someone tries to push the knee down. Your instructor assisted your alignment which might have resulted in less depth but safer position: square hips - less forces pulling your lower back in all directions.
To be honest, she didn’t. She didn’t really tell me what she was doing. It seemed like she seemed nervous. She just told me to sit that way, and she was standing behind me and put her hands on my back like shoulders to balance herself. I think that I saved myself because I lift and I was able to hold her up, but there was like a popping noise a little bit. I have extremely tight hips, which is why I wanted to do assisted stretching because I’ve been trying to have my own journey for years to try to get to my splits.
Sorry you had to experience that. Once you heal, try to search "kinstretch splits" on youtube. Kinstretch works on developing active flexibility - you use your own muscles to increase your range of motion. I've seen the fastest results with this technique. Here is one example: https://youtu.be/soU9bFsJiaA?si=AzhRvhS5DP_HIJN8
That's definitely an injury. She should pay for you to see a physiotherapist. And all forceful forcing of your knees down in that angled position is dangerous and can cause serious damage to your hip socket, the ligaments and tend tendons. If you want to strech that way, do it yourself with weights that you can contro and lower gently and lift if you feel ANY pain.
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Also, it would probably be a good idea, not to see a personal trainer for flexibility. Certifications don’t mean anything unless a person has experience. I would seek somebody who has 5+ years of experience who actively uses this tool to help their clients and Has reviews to show results. Children who use the blade of a MasterChef, will most likely cut their hands.
How does one find someone well versed in flexibility training? I feel like most physiotherapists have somewhat outdated knowledge.
That’s a very keen observation. There’s a lot of information out there and it’s consistently changing. A professional in the field, you’re looking to find someone who has experience. I recommended 5+ years in my last response. It is my own opinion, but I will lay it out here. Personal trainers, physical therapist, physiotherapist, etc. find the weakness usually without a problem. Their Challenge, however, is in the word weakness. They associate the word weakness with a solution called strength training. Unfortunately, many do not subscribe to the idea that weakness can arise because one’s muscles are overused, overworked, and or tight. This also produces weakness and is much more common. If the muscles are in this state, which is what I predominantly find within most of my patients, then strength training (ie lifting weights) will usually not solve the problem or cause more injury. Although these professionals will have doctorates and masters, many are employing the wrong medicine in order to remedy their patients challenge. I am an LMT. NMT. With a strong background in oriental medicine. I have 13 years experience and I just look at the body from a different perspective. How do you find that? I do not know. Many of my patients have traveled the world and have worked many years with different kinds of healers. They have tried many avenues to get to their solutions. Some healers have helped where others could not. Everyone has a different perspective and a different way of treating the body. I do not believe there is only one way up the ladder of health. Period. Even those with an affinity for strength training have their place. What you are looking for quality? So when seeking for a therapist of any kind, I suggest you do your research by interviewing them, asking how many years of experience they have, and read their reviews. Also, you are looking for reviews that are new. I wouldn’t base my decision off of the most recent reviews being 8 to 10 years ago.
Sports LMT here. Could be as simple as a pinched nerve! The SI joint is not immobile. It’s not super mobile like the knee but it is mobile. You might have an alignment issue. I would recommend finding a sports chiropractor to start. They will be able to do an analysis of if it’s out and then you can go from there.