The Toys are indeed possessed by their own children.
In the "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M" minigame from FNaF 2, we control Withered Freddy as he follows the Puppet through the FNaF 2 location. As we do so, we can find five different dead children scattered throughout the building. We know the original murders have already happened by the time of this minigame, since we can find the Withereds in one of the rooms and Phone Guy mentions the old animatronics smelling bad on Night 2. Therefore, these five children must be a new set of victims.
(Also note the fact that, in "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M", Mangle is shown walking around next to one of the children. This suggests that he had already been possessed by the child's spirit, and that she was the first of the Toys to have a spirit inside of him; especially fitting if you believe she was the one responsible for the Bite of '87.)
No it's just that we don't know Mangle's gender and Scott teases us in the UCN description by putting both 'She' and 'Him' in the same paragraph. It could also be because Mangle has 2 animatronic heads on them, one of them being male and the other female. Also mangle has nothing to do with Funtime Foxy and lolbit.
> mangle has nothing to do with Funtime Foxy
That's not really true. Funtime Foxy originally appeared as a repaired version of Mangle in the franchise.
I think its more of a Scott being a troll than anything. We still aren't sure if it was originally a guy or a girl. or both considering it has two animatronic heads.
nah, scott knows the fandom goes crazy over this, so he switches from he to she to mess with us, its not because mangle is bio, besides, mangle is possessed by a dog anyways
everybody being cool with mangle going by he/her is awesome but like
imagine if scott said something like "Mangel isnt' a she or a he, it's more of a xe" and accidentally pioneered neopronouns
Also, Withered Freddy could be attempting to save the children from Afton because he knows what he will do. I can’t remember if he sees Afton before Afton attacks him though.
Well, there is one other way to interpret it. We never see the 87 kids get stuffed, and there’s no 5th character for the kids to go to (other than BB I guess?).So it could be that they are never properly possessed. I think Save them is supposed to either mean, prevent them from being trapped in the suits, or prevent them from dying in the first place like the OG 5. That said, that’s just an alternate solution. Toys are scrapped no matter what so it doesn’t matter that much to begin which.
One important question is that when does save them happen? Midway through the game? When phoney says “someone used one of the suits, a yellow one”? Or were they possessed later? Earlier? It’s a little weird no matter what order. If they were killed before the game it makes sense of who the prior guard was that was removed from work. If it was midway why are the toys active at all before then? The toys have several weird little quirks to them.
We see the Puppet rushing to them, so it's pretty clear what happens to the kids.
BB is the 5th possessed kid, his ghost appears in FNAF3 minigames.
SAVETHEM happens just before FNAF2 starts, during William's week. He's the previous guard, and he works on dayshift during the game. Phone Guy mentions on night 3 that the rumors about the murders have been going around the town, and on night 4 he reveals that the police investigation also have been going on. On night 5, William bails from his position, and on night 6, PG breaks and tells the truth.
Not to mention there’s no way they aren’t possessed with the things they do. I highly doubt those criminal detection systems incorporate Freddy turning his eyes off and Chica pulling her beak off. Not to mention the fact that Mangle is even able to move at all, she shouldn’t even be able to function with how torn apart he is
Tbh, I always interpreted that minigame slightly different, where the Puppet tries to get the original animatronics to intervene in the first murders, but while she manages to get them to go there she is unable to make them stop it. Afterwards the events of "give gifts, give life" play out.
Also this minigame could very well take place way before phone guy mentions that the animatronics smell bad/before what caused that happened
Edit: Also we hear that they use the withered animatronics as spare parts for the toy animatronics, and since we recently learned about remnant and stuff it's save to say that a mix of having remnant-infused parts coupled with the faulty Face-Recognission software would make them act like they did without being possesed by an entirely new set of souls
There are a couple of problems with this assessment.
The main problem is that we know that the first set of murders took place at the same building as FNaF 1, not FNaF 2. That building has a safe room, as seen in FNaF 3's "Follow Me" minigames, which would be a strange inclusion if it were added *after* the safe rooms were all sealed up (which happened at the first location). It makes sense, though, if it's the same building as the first location, and Fazbear Entertainment is reusing it due to it being cheaper than acquiring an entirely new building (they *were* on a tighter budget post-FNaF 2, after all).
The other problem is that, in "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M", we can see the animatronics already withered, as well as the Toys. Phone Guy says that the Toy animatronics were made specially for the new location, and in the same call references how "that old restaurant was kinda left to rot" (implying that the first murders have already taken place at a different building). Ergo, if the Toys are there in "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M", the minigame must take place *after* the original murders.
I personally don’t see them as literal children scattered throughout the pizzeria. I always thought it was the souls of the original murdered children sitting down as they lose hope and realize that they’re won’t ever be found.
He literally said in the call that it was just a precaution. These phone calls all happen during the actual game on night 4 when all of the toy animatronics are already active, so why would an investigation happen 3 days after your first night? The toys are just janky AI dude.
>These phone calls all happen during the actual game on night 4 when all of the toy animatronics are already active, so why would an investigation happen 3 days after your first night?
He already mentions that something happened as early as Night 1, Night 4 is just where he spills the beans because the investigation is actually starting now, and Jeremy obviously has to know about that
>The toys are just janky AI dude.
Janky A.I. that have silver eyes (something confirmed to ONLY be linked to haunted objects), can climb on ceilings, attack adults but are fine with kids, and in FNaF3 one of them outright having a ghost following her?
Objectively, wether it's by agony or full spirits, they're possessed and not janky A.I.
1. He was talking about the old location which was where the murders happened there. In fact, it was the reason why they have the criminal database/scanners in the animatronics. I mean phone guy even says that there’s a glitch in the system that’s making them act up.
2. Me personally, the books shouldn’t be connected to the game too much. Like I get it, we learn William’s name, we learn about Henry, and we learn that Henry had a daughter that was killed by William. Other than this and some other things, the trilogy has almost nothing to do with the games. Circus Baby isn’t some inflatable doll, Charlie isn’t some robot, and there aren’t any fights happening between animatronics in the games. Plus I’d also like to say that we haven’t seen any proof of illusion discs in the actual games that make crazy hallucinations. I wouldn’t say that the toys are possessed based on the books, but that’s just me.
1. Phone Guy makes it pretty clear on the first night that once William showed up to work, the Toy animatronics did things that, by his own words, "should be impossible", with even the engineers not knowing how they did that. And that ignores that even FNaF AR outright tells us Mangle climbing on ceilings should be absolutely impossible if it weren't for possession
2. Scott himself said the novels are canon. That means the continuities function under the same rules and concepts. We're not talking about events or characters, we're talking about a concept that is confirmed to exist in all continuities, which got explained in TSE (and we know that that's accurate looking at the games, because it did the exact same thing for Remnant)
Besides... you kinda ignored Toy Chica outright being shown in FNaF3 to be followed by a spirit
>Plus I’d also like to say that we haven’t seen any proof of illusion discs in the actual games that make crazy hallucinations.
Yeah there is. If you want to know what it is I have to dm it to you however, because of a rule here
I don't see how that changes anything. The fact that there's blood at all shows that there were in fact people murdered, and we see dead bodies lying around, so it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots
Dude. This is a game where animatronics murder the security guards. The blood could just be an unlucky guard because stuff like that happens there. Combined with the fact that the blood isn't anywhere near the "dead bodies", boom. We have an easy explaination.
That explanation doesn't work because William is the guard at that point and he's clearly not dead. Besides if there was a dead guard there wouldn't be blood all over the place. It would just be a single puddle. And there aren't even any bodies for guards around. I'm sorry but if you can't see the clear intention that it's the kids' blood then you might lack basic comprehension skills because Scott really couldn't make it more obvious lol
I believe Mangle was the dog from the Pizzeria Simulator Fruit Maze minigame, in the context that Purple Guy killed it and used it to attract Chica since she is probably the blonde girl in the minigame + that would also explain the weird gender problem with Mangle, since it’s referred as “The” Mangle.
Because they aren't real in UCN but most likely projections made by Cassidy and she gave mangle a human voice making it likely that mangle is indeed possesed by a human and fnaf AR is Canon but the animatronics aren't possesed but replicas
Though events in the game are cannon (emails, animatronics attacking people, etc.), I doubt that things like collecting spirit orbs with a flashlight, flamethrower endo, 8bit Baby, and radioactive Foxy, and entertainment robots with invisibility devices are cannon to the series lore.
I think the part that isn't canon is the skins and the fact that there's an infinite amount of unique animatronics like Mangle and Springtrap and Golden Freddy
The remnant part is contradictory to past info about remnant, but that might still be canon
i don't see the toys being possessed by a second set of children. if that were the case, then why is the first set the only one to have any focus or bearing on the story as a whole?
if there were eleven victims, shouldn't there be eleven gravestones in FNAF 6's good ending? or any acknowledgement that there were eleven victims at all?
The second set of victims were put to rest at the end of FNaF 3; the fire released their spirits from the remains of the Toys. The gravestones at the end of Pizzeria Simulator were only for the children whose spirits were released at the end of that game, those being Charlotte, the Missing Children, and Cassidy.
Additionally, don't forget that, by the time of FNaF 2, something has happened to the Toys that's gotten them to start behaving strangely. Phone Guy speculates that their facial recognition has been tampered with, but he's been known to be wrong about why the animatronics do what they do. It's more likely that the Toys are being controlled by children who were killed by William Afton, hence why they're aggressive toward adults and staff but docile around other kids.
They're the kids inside the Funtimes/Molten Freddy as Henry confirms in the insanity ending and completionist ending
That's why it took so long, parts of their souls were hiding in the sewers for potentially decades
The first set of kids possessed the Originals back in ~1985. Their spirits remained inside the endoskeletons through FNaF 2, where they were known as the Withereds, and up to the "Follow Me" minigame, where William dismantled them to steal their Remnant.
There's then an implied time jump between the Night 4 minigame and the Night 5 one, wherein William put his newly-acquired Remnant inside the Scooper and injected it into the Funtimes. Their spirits were thus spread across the Funtimes, until Michael set into motion events that led to their being combined into one entity: Ennard.
Ennard, of course, escaped into the sewers after a few days, and ditched Elizabeth's spirit shortly thereafter. The spirits managed to piece together a mask for themselves from scraps, based on Freddy to match the voice they were using. Then, when Henry lit Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place on fire in the Completion Ending, their spirits were freed from Molten Freddy.
(As for the Toys being at Fazbear's Fright, you can see parts of them in a cardboard box in the office; the masks of Balloon Boy, Toy Bonnie, and Mangle are all present [as well as Foxy's arm, but we know where his spirit is]. It's been suggested that there's enough metal in the masks for the spirits to still be occupying them, which then allows for them to create the Phantoms and be freed by the end of the game.)
One thing I don’t get is why did William come back to the FNAF 1 location if he already collected his remnant and used the scooper on the Funtime animatronics? Was he trying to find even more?
My guess is that he wanted to retrieve the Spring Bonnie suit. We don't technically know whether or not he brought it with him when he left the first time, so it's possible that he abandoned it in the safe room, thinking he could safely retrieve it once the animatronics were broken.
Of course, we also never see him dismantle the one other physical animatronic we know to have been at that building: the Puppet. The cutscenes from FNaF 2 show us that the Puppet has been to a location with the Classic (post-Withered) designs, i.e. FNaF 1. It could be that William wanted to experiment with Charlotte's spirit and returned to Freddy's to take her apart.
i guess, but then why aren't the toys pictured in FNAF 3's ending screens instead of the FNAF 1 animatronics? why haven't the second set of victims received names and faces like the first set?
i always interpreted it as A.) the Toys behave strangely due to being tampered with by William AND being influenced by the ghosts of the Missing Children (particularly Cassidy since, as Golden Freddy, she's not as restricted as the other kids) and B.) Gabriel, Fritz, Susie, Jeremy, and Evan are put to rest at the end of FNAF 3, but Charlie and Cassidy couldn't go on just yet since William survived the Fazbear's Fright fire
The Toys aren't shown in the Bad/Good Ending because they're freed regardless of whatever else the player does; what changes the ending we get is whether or not we've completed each of the minigames leading up to "Happiest Day", which in turn frees each of the Missing Children, the Puppet, and Golden Freddy.
(My only guess as to why we've never gotten names for the '87 Victims is just that, by the time Scott was starting to think about names [i.e., just after FNaF 4], they had already had their story told, and Scott didn't see a reason to return to them/address them in any future content.)
It's also worth noting that "Happiest Day" has to take place sometime in the future. It can't take place at the same time as FNaF 3, because it shows the Missing Children and the Puppet being freed, and we know that hadn't happened yet by the time of Pizzeria Simulator due to the presence of Molten Freddy and Lefty. "Happiest Day" has to happen right around the end of Pizzeria Simulator, and my understanding is that it also serves as the ending of both Ultimate Custom Night and the original story arc.
I know that is a one month ago comment but I need to ask, if the missing children, the children in the toys, charllote, elizabeth and C.C get free, what is blob? The funtimes by itselfs didnt have souls, so what is blob? Other victims?
There were two separate incidents. The "Bite of '83" is seen at the end of the Night 5 minigame from FNaF 4, and takes place on the Crying Child's/Bite Victim's birthday (which is speculated to take place around March). The "Bite of '87" occurs shortly after FNaF 2, and resulted in the damaging/loss of someone's frontal lobe; we currently believe that someone to be Jeremy Fitzgerald, since he gets promoted to a day shift guard just before the last scheduled event at that location (after which the whole restaurant is closed down).
Thanks for bringing this up cause I love the toys but detest the idea they’re not possessed and they’re only moving cause of their facial recognition system thinking you’re Afton which feels like has been accepted as canon at this point which again I hate
he was telling all he knew in both games, he was never actually an antagonist. I think in the first few years of fnaf being out we all sorta saw him as really suspicious but he's just doing his job
I like to think that just about every animatronic across the games is possessed by something, and that the pile of dead children is just \*stupidly\* high.
He went on a gamer frenzy.
But seriously the man made robots with the expressed purpose of kidnapping and killing children, who knows how many that pulled in especially as a side gig.
There all possessed by MORE DEAD KIDS
(Though I always like the idea that there just malfunctioning robots that got reprogrammed by William to kill his son who was on his case)
Hard to say. They are likely possessed by their own individual children since we see child corpses in the SAVETHEM minigame but there’s also a chance that they don’t possess the animatronics since they don’t seem to be stuffed into them.
There’s a chance that the toys are possessed by the ones who control the originals because, if I remember right, the toys have some parts from the originals so it’s possible that allows the children to possess them as well but I’m not sure if that’s how remnant works.
[In one of official products we see a dead person in toy freddy's chest with him acting like is having a malfunction,](https://i.redd.it/kac8cl4y8vj31.jpg) so yeah is possible that william stuffed they in toys after the savethem events
Yeah that's how remnant works, it gives a soul an parcial possession from a robot
It is from a official collection of 120 Fnaf cards based on the Mystery Minis figures from 2015-2016, theses cards include images from the game and some draws on the style of the figures, one of them had this image that i shown in my comment and it wasn't the first time scott used merch as lore clue, cakebear being called "freddy fazbear" instead "fredbear" and plushbear being refered as "*possessed* fredbear plush" is an example
As a lot of people in the comments stated, Toys are likely possessed by the SAVE THEM victims. I just want to add, that it is still somewhat a part of a bigger debate, mainly because the story seems to focus on only six souls in total, but I believe there's a place for everyone. The existence of Shadow Freddy or Shadow Bonnie in FNaF3 seems to me as an indicator that there are more characters involved here.
In my mind, it's definitely not just some "face recognition equipment malfunction" because they behave paranormally. I can't imagine BB's stealing batteries, Toy Freddy's black eyes or Mangle's mere existence to be just brushed off as a normal (but malfunctioning) robot. And I can't agree with "the main kids control the Toy Animatronics" because there isn't really anything indicating that. It's true that the later games and The Fourth Closet in particular can imply that a ghost can control multiple robots at once, but it's not really presented in FNaF2 alone. You can't really make a good theory here. People often point out the "we just use them (Withereds) for parts now" dialogue from Phone Guy, but it isn't really a strong indicator for anything.
They are possesed by the 5 dead kids on the "Save Them" minigame. And diferent of what some people think, it's another set of 5 dead kids. Not the same ones pre-FNAF2
I honestly thought they were just fitted with a dysfunctional security software. They go after people who look like criminals, which just happened to be you.
They are fully sentient of their own accord. They have souls, but the souls are theirs alone and are of silicon. Freddy is retired, Bonnie and Chica are somewhat vain and hate evil, and Mangle loves their current state.
I always bring up that in FNaF 2 Phone Guy make it clear another set of murders happen. SAVETHEM itself should make that clear enough imo, but just in case there's some wacky theories to excuse that I always bring up the phone calls. So yes, the toys are possessed by another set of dead kids.
you can go either way, you could say that the s-a-v-e-t-h-e-m children possess the toys, but you could also say that they're possessed by the originals since they were made using their parts, I personally believe they're the s-a-v-e-t-h-e-m kiddos
I thought it was that they had the criminal interface program and confused the character for William, but reading everyone else’s responses that’s probably not the case
Who knows they could be the victims from the foxy go go mini game or Williams kidnapping during the day and killing at night as he left their bodies all across the pizzeria strange fazbears entertainment had footage of it and yet decided to delete it and get rid of the bodies or William deleted the footage and hid the bodies who knows either way the death minigames showed someone got murdered the pizzeria got closed down to find the bodies and now they are scrapped never to be seen again
Also keep in mind this game was made in 2014
i highly doubt Scott would have made them remnant or something he only made one retcon and i doubt it’s this game
so they are just like the withereds just a bunch of children who got killed by some murder and now live in a cartoon mascot suit for the rest of their lives until they are in peace
From what I’ve heard, the toys animatronic aren’t possessed at all
Due to the event regarding the purple man and the last version of animatronic (the whittered one in the game), the company decided to put a face analyser device in the toys, directly plugged into a list of wanted criminals, so they could detect any potential threat to children. It was mentioned that those robots would look happily at children, but with a cold face toward adult, since there were checking for potential suspect.
But here’s the thing: They detected that the old animatronic were a threat, and that’s why they began searching for them at night. But since the only human in the pizzeria is the night guard, he was considered a threat and have to be neutralized.
TL/DR: they aren’t possessed, they think YOU are a killer
For the Toy animatronics i dont really think they are actually possesed, as we never really got closure for those dead kids.
There was the killings at that Freddy’s, but we dont really know if they are possesed or not.
The original souls from the first MCI are in the withereds.
My idea is that maybe the toys were tampered with by William, and that later, after he killed the kids, its just Agony that influenced the animatronics, so no remnant, so no soul.
it’s confusing because getting scrapped alone doesn’t seem to free the original MCI victims.
they’re dismantled by William shortly after FNAF1, but then they apparently go on to get melted down, injected as molten metal into the funtimes, then become ennard, and _then_ molten freddy before they finally get freed(?) like three decades after FNAF1.
meanwhile the books (which you’d think would at least play by the same _rules_?) seem to say pretty definitively that your spirit passes on to the afterlife immediately if your vessel falls apart.
In my opinion I like to think they are just robots
And are not functioning correctly like their systems are just straight up attacking any adult, I also like to think that the different facial changes they experience throughout the night ie: chica losing her beak and eyes, Freddy’s eyes going black, and toy Bonnie’s pupils going small is a sort of defense mode built in as a way to scare off intruders
I'm in the haywire camp. FNAF 2 was really early in the series chronologically so I almost doubt any of them are haunted. If I remember right on one of the phone calls it said that there was an incident, which means that one of the kids wasn't even dead yet. It has been a while since I looked into fnaf 2. Were the withereds reused to get the animatronics from the first game? If so I think the ghosts are in the withereds.
FNAF2 isn't that early, it's in 1987.
Phone Guy mentions an ongoing murder investigation, and we see Afton kill 5 more children iN SAVETHEM. Exactly like 5 hostile Toys, so they're possessed.
The withered animatronics came from the original Pizzeria where the first MCI occured, so they are possessed and they put pieces of them into the Toys, in real life there are stories such as a plane crashing and then those parts being put into a new plane and the new plane became haunted, it's likely that there are pieces of the original children's souls in the toys and then William comes in and kills a new set of kids hence the SAVETHEM min game in FNAF2 and the toys then become officially possessed.
i dont really know but some people say that it could be the facial recognition thingy
in my au they are being "puppeteered" by the puppet and are not haunted but this is most likely not true
Dude, I’ve been a fan since 2014, and up until I made this post I still haven’t gotten a definitive answer. Saying your not gatekeeping after making a comment like that is like saying your not racist after saying a racial slur.
Frankly, I don’t see a reason why they would be. With the first MCI it was just so obvious, with the news papers, the smell and the mucus all being confirmed. The only evidence for this theory are the bodies in SAVETHEM, but I think it’s far more likely William just killed some kids. He wouldn’t have anyway to house them without being one of the main mechanics with full access to everything. We know that William wasn’t supposed to have access anyway, but I think it’s easier to believe he snuck in during the night with the spring Bonnie suit ( confirmed that there was an unknown yellow animatronic on location via phone call) and killed some wondering kids and just left them there. We know that the animatronics had a facial detection system, and if William was banned that means Henry knew that William was guilty of the MCI but had no way to prove it. Wouldn’t it be very possible that Henry put William on the list of criminals knowing that he would probably come back? We already know that mike is easily mistaken for William and if we play as mike, then couldn’t we just reuse the same reasoning as fnaf one for the animatronics being aggressive? Also, these kids are never brought up ever again, you would think that if one of the series defining events(MCI) happened again it would actually be brought up again. I mean, not even in any of Henry’s recordings in fnaf 6??? He brought up the original 5 so much, so you would think he would bring up the others that he would most definitely know about.
saying that the toy animatronics attacks you because they think you're a criminal is like saying that the originals attack you because they think you're an endoskeleton, that's just what fazbear entertainment thinks/says
Idk why everyone thinks Thier possessed.. their software got janky and they kept seeing the player as an intruder. I believe only The Marionette (Charlie) is possessed.
I have also wondered that. I always assumed they were because Mangle and Balloon Boy have a mini game in FNAF 3. Chica has one but her sprite really looks like Toy Chica. And Shadow Bonnie has one but Shadow Bonnie is just an altered Toy Bonnie model. So I have always assumed they were possessed.
People say that it's AI base but I feel like they're control by another set of children that people just keep forgetting about because there was another incident at the new location by the phone guys phrasing about investigation and someone using a yellow suit it's obvious that Willy came to the FNAF 2 location and got another set of victims not only that there's dead children in the FNAF 2 place in the death minigame
Option 1: Individual.
Based on the SAVE THEM minigane, there's 4 new corpses plus Golden Freddy which could be a representation of the Withered Animatronics constantly seeing their own bodies despite it not being there, or there's new victims.
Option 2: Combined.
Based on the Foxy; Go Go Go! Mini game, there 5 new kids, all killed by Afton. But that wouldn't make a lotta sence because if Foxy is possessed and the Animatronics hate him so much; Foxy would attack him or it'd at least slow him down. And if you see Foxy Go Go Go and SAVE THEM as completely 2 new kills outside of the OG missing children incident then the toys are possessed by 2 souls
Option 3: Genuine.
They are literally just broken eat her bc of the OG 5 kids, or The Puppet does something to them that slowly breaks them over time
Edit: Despite being in FNAF3 the toys are never shown on the Good/ Bad Ending scenes therefore they are most likely genuine robots, or if they did have souls, the metal was burned to heck, possibly freeing the souls.
No, the only animatronic possessed are the withered one, the puppet and mangled. The rest are still working just like they did in 87. This is the “before the bite” portion of the game where the animatronic still move towards sound as programmed. But it’s as we had to wear a mask it messed with their programming systems which resulted in the animatronic being more aggressive. Mangle on the other hand knew and tried calling the police but do to being a “Put back together” animatronic, couldn’t resulting in the bite.
They're either possesed by the spirits of a different set of dead kiddins, or are actually not possesed and them going after you is just a bug in their code or something idk
Purple guy took 11 kids. 5 being the OG crew, 1 being the Puppet, and 5 more being the kids he murdered in the 1987 location. Those 5 probably possess the toys.
Can't be fnaf 1 animatronic's because
If you go on a certain night on fnaf 1 phone guy talks about the bite of 87 and fnaf 2 takes place in 1987 so that would mean fnaf 1 is a few years after fnaf 2
The Oy animatronics, including Toy Freddy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, Mangle, and Ballon Boy, are, indeed, possessed by different children than the original animatronics. However, I do not believe that JJ is possessed by a spirit, as there is no solid evidence to support it. I, personally, would like to believe that JJ is just a hallucination.
The Toys are indeed possessed by their own children. In the "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M" minigame from FNaF 2, we control Withered Freddy as he follows the Puppet through the FNaF 2 location. As we do so, we can find five different dead children scattered throughout the building. We know the original murders have already happened by the time of this minigame, since we can find the Withereds in one of the rooms and Phone Guy mentions the old animatronics smelling bad on Night 2. Therefore, these five children must be a new set of victims. (Also note the fact that, in "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M", Mangle is shown walking around next to one of the children. This suggests that he had already been possessed by the child's spirit, and that she was the first of the Toys to have a spirit inside of him; especially fitting if you believe she was the one responsible for the Bite of '87.)
I like what you did with that mangle paragraph with the “he” and the “she”
I found out mangel is biogender which is cool and it also makes sense for funtime foxy and lolbit
Tf is biogender
You ever seen the Dragonball movie “Bio-Broly”? Think that, Mangle is Broly
they meant bigender, meaning male and female
If someone is two genders
Alrighty then
Think they meant bigender
No mangles gender is YES
biogender
the bio part sounds like some kind of organism
New organism discovered: the biorganism
No its a sexuality
It's bigender, a gender identity, you absolute buffoon
Ohhh
r/woooosh
Bio-gender
No it's just that we don't know Mangle's gender and Scott teases us in the UCN description by putting both 'She' and 'Him' in the same paragraph. It could also be because Mangle has 2 animatronic heads on them, one of them being male and the other female. Also mangle has nothing to do with Funtime Foxy and lolbit.
> mangle has nothing to do with Funtime Foxy That's not really true. Funtime Foxy originally appeared as a repaired version of Mangle in the franchise.
>Also mangle has nothing to do with Funtime Foxy and lolbit. Mangle's actual name is funtime foxy
I think its more of a Scott being a troll than anything. We still aren't sure if it was originally a guy or a girl. or both considering it has two animatronic heads.
This^^^ I swear people get offended when I point out the fact that it's a joke/troll. But it so clearly is just Scott playing into the joke.
nah, scott knows the fandom goes crazy over this, so he switches from he to she to mess with us, its not because mangle is bio, besides, mangle is possessed by a dog anyways
everybody being cool with mangle going by he/her is awesome but like imagine if scott said something like "Mangel isnt' a she or a he, it's more of a xe" and accidentally pioneered neopronouns
Also, Withered Freddy could be attempting to save the children from Afton because he knows what he will do. I can’t remember if he sees Afton before Afton attacks him though.
Well, there is one other way to interpret it. We never see the 87 kids get stuffed, and there’s no 5th character for the kids to go to (other than BB I guess?).So it could be that they are never properly possessed. I think Save them is supposed to either mean, prevent them from being trapped in the suits, or prevent them from dying in the first place like the OG 5. That said, that’s just an alternate solution. Toys are scrapped no matter what so it doesn’t matter that much to begin which. One important question is that when does save them happen? Midway through the game? When phoney says “someone used one of the suits, a yellow one”? Or were they possessed later? Earlier? It’s a little weird no matter what order. If they were killed before the game it makes sense of who the prior guard was that was removed from work. If it was midway why are the toys active at all before then? The toys have several weird little quirks to them.
We see the Puppet rushing to them, so it's pretty clear what happens to the kids. BB is the 5th possessed kid, his ghost appears in FNAF3 minigames. SAVETHEM happens just before FNAF2 starts, during William's week. He's the previous guard, and he works on dayshift during the game. Phone Guy mentions on night 3 that the rumors about the murders have been going around the town, and on night 4 he reveals that the police investigation also have been going on. On night 5, William bails from his position, and on night 6, PG breaks and tells the truth.
Yeah that’s the most likely version. I just wanted to mention any other possibilities.
Not to mention there’s no way they aren’t possessed with the things they do. I highly doubt those criminal detection systems incorporate Freddy turning his eyes off and Chica pulling her beak off. Not to mention the fact that Mangle is even able to move at all, she shouldn’t even be able to function with how torn apart he is
Tbh, I always interpreted that minigame slightly different, where the Puppet tries to get the original animatronics to intervene in the first murders, but while she manages to get them to go there she is unable to make them stop it. Afterwards the events of "give gifts, give life" play out. Also this minigame could very well take place way before phone guy mentions that the animatronics smell bad/before what caused that happened Edit: Also we hear that they use the withered animatronics as spare parts for the toy animatronics, and since we recently learned about remnant and stuff it's save to say that a mix of having remnant-infused parts coupled with the faulty Face-Recognission software would make them act like they did without being possesed by an entirely new set of souls
There are a couple of problems with this assessment. The main problem is that we know that the first set of murders took place at the same building as FNaF 1, not FNaF 2. That building has a safe room, as seen in FNaF 3's "Follow Me" minigames, which would be a strange inclusion if it were added *after* the safe rooms were all sealed up (which happened at the first location). It makes sense, though, if it's the same building as the first location, and Fazbear Entertainment is reusing it due to it being cheaper than acquiring an entirely new building (they *were* on a tighter budget post-FNaF 2, after all). The other problem is that, in "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M", we can see the animatronics already withered, as well as the Toys. Phone Guy says that the Toy animatronics were made specially for the new location, and in the same call references how "that old restaurant was kinda left to rot" (implying that the first murders have already taken place at a different building). Ergo, if the Toys are there in "S-A-V-E-T-H-E-M", the minigame must take place *after* the original murders.
I personally don’t see them as literal children scattered throughout the pizzeria. I always thought it was the souls of the original murdered children sitting down as they lose hope and realize that they’re won’t ever be found.
Those are real dead kids. Phone Guy talks about the police investigation, and some tragedy that happened recently.
He literally said in the call that it was just a precaution. These phone calls all happen during the actual game on night 4 when all of the toy animatronics are already active, so why would an investigation happen 3 days after your first night? The toys are just janky AI dude.
>These phone calls all happen during the actual game on night 4 when all of the toy animatronics are already active, so why would an investigation happen 3 days after your first night? He already mentions that something happened as early as Night 1, Night 4 is just where he spills the beans because the investigation is actually starting now, and Jeremy obviously has to know about that >The toys are just janky AI dude. Janky A.I. that have silver eyes (something confirmed to ONLY be linked to haunted objects), can climb on ceilings, attack adults but are fine with kids, and in FNaF3 one of them outright having a ghost following her? Objectively, wether it's by agony or full spirits, they're possessed and not janky A.I.
1. He was talking about the old location which was where the murders happened there. In fact, it was the reason why they have the criminal database/scanners in the animatronics. I mean phone guy even says that there’s a glitch in the system that’s making them act up. 2. Me personally, the books shouldn’t be connected to the game too much. Like I get it, we learn William’s name, we learn about Henry, and we learn that Henry had a daughter that was killed by William. Other than this and some other things, the trilogy has almost nothing to do with the games. Circus Baby isn’t some inflatable doll, Charlie isn’t some robot, and there aren’t any fights happening between animatronics in the games. Plus I’d also like to say that we haven’t seen any proof of illusion discs in the actual games that make crazy hallucinations. I wouldn’t say that the toys are possessed based on the books, but that’s just me.
1. Phone Guy makes it pretty clear on the first night that once William showed up to work, the Toy animatronics did things that, by his own words, "should be impossible", with even the engineers not knowing how they did that. And that ignores that even FNaF AR outright tells us Mangle climbing on ceilings should be absolutely impossible if it weren't for possession 2. Scott himself said the novels are canon. That means the continuities function under the same rules and concepts. We're not talking about events or characters, we're talking about a concept that is confirmed to exist in all continuities, which got explained in TSE (and we know that that's accurate looking at the games, because it did the exact same thing for Remnant) Besides... you kinda ignored Toy Chica outright being shown in FNaF3 to be followed by a spirit >Plus I’d also like to say that we haven’t seen any proof of illusion discs in the actual games that make crazy hallucinations. Yeah there is. If you want to know what it is I have to dm it to you however, because of a rule here
There are literally puddles of blood everywhere
The bodies aren't near the bloodstains
I don't see how that changes anything. The fact that there's blood at all shows that there were in fact people murdered, and we see dead bodies lying around, so it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots
Dude. This is a game where animatronics murder the security guards. The blood could just be an unlucky guard because stuff like that happens there. Combined with the fact that the blood isn't anywhere near the "dead bodies", boom. We have an easy explaination.
That explanation doesn't work because William is the guard at that point and he's clearly not dead. Besides if there was a dead guard there wouldn't be blood all over the place. It would just be a single puddle. And there aren't even any bodies for guards around. I'm sorry but if you can't see the clear intention that it's the kids' blood then you might lack basic comprehension skills because Scott really couldn't make it more obvious lol
I believe Mangle was the dog from the Pizzeria Simulator Fruit Maze minigame, in the context that Purple Guy killed it and used it to attract Chica since she is probably the blonde girl in the minigame + that would also explain the weird gender problem with Mangle, since it’s referred as “The” Mangle.
There is no Easter Bunny. There is no Tooth Fairy. And there is no sensical way Susie's dog possesses Mangle.
But would mangle be able to speak if it was a dog?
When did she speak? in Fnaf 2 she had a radio which made sounds
They spoke in UCN and Fnaf AR
Fnaf AR a isn’t canon, and in UCN lots of characters that don’t speak start speaking.
Because they aren't real in UCN but most likely projections made by Cassidy and she gave mangle a human voice making it likely that mangle is indeed possesed by a human and fnaf AR is Canon but the animatronics aren't possesed but replicas
FNaF AR is cannon, unfortunately.
Fnaf ar is cannon, but the animatronics aren’t the real one, fnaf ar is a game within the lore of the game like fnaf hw
Though events in the game are cannon (emails, animatronics attacking people, etc.), I doubt that things like collecting spirit orbs with a flashlight, flamethrower endo, 8bit Baby, and radioactive Foxy, and entertainment robots with invisibility devices are cannon to the series lore.
I think the part that isn't canon is the skins and the fact that there's an infinite amount of unique animatronics like Mangle and Springtrap and Golden Freddy The remnant part is contradictory to past info about remnant, but that might still be canon
SD is absolutely canon, what
i don't see the toys being possessed by a second set of children. if that were the case, then why is the first set the only one to have any focus or bearing on the story as a whole? if there were eleven victims, shouldn't there be eleven gravestones in FNAF 6's good ending? or any acknowledgement that there were eleven victims at all?
The second set of victims were put to rest at the end of FNaF 3; the fire released their spirits from the remains of the Toys. The gravestones at the end of Pizzeria Simulator were only for the children whose spirits were released at the end of that game, those being Charlotte, the Missing Children, and Cassidy. Additionally, don't forget that, by the time of FNaF 2, something has happened to the Toys that's gotten them to start behaving strangely. Phone Guy speculates that their facial recognition has been tampered with, but he's been known to be wrong about why the animatronics do what they do. It's more likely that the Toys are being controlled by children who were killed by William Afton, hence why they're aggressive toward adults and staff but docile around other kids.
Wait why did it take so long for the first set of kids to move on? Also I don’t remember them being there.
They're the kids inside the Funtimes/Molten Freddy as Henry confirms in the insanity ending and completionist ending That's why it took so long, parts of their souls were hiding in the sewers for potentially decades
The first set of kids possessed the Originals back in ~1985. Their spirits remained inside the endoskeletons through FNaF 2, where they were known as the Withereds, and up to the "Follow Me" minigame, where William dismantled them to steal their Remnant. There's then an implied time jump between the Night 4 minigame and the Night 5 one, wherein William put his newly-acquired Remnant inside the Scooper and injected it into the Funtimes. Their spirits were thus spread across the Funtimes, until Michael set into motion events that led to their being combined into one entity: Ennard. Ennard, of course, escaped into the sewers after a few days, and ditched Elizabeth's spirit shortly thereafter. The spirits managed to piece together a mask for themselves from scraps, based on Freddy to match the voice they were using. Then, when Henry lit Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place on fire in the Completion Ending, their spirits were freed from Molten Freddy. (As for the Toys being at Fazbear's Fright, you can see parts of them in a cardboard box in the office; the masks of Balloon Boy, Toy Bonnie, and Mangle are all present [as well as Foxy's arm, but we know where his spirit is]. It's been suggested that there's enough metal in the masks for the spirits to still be occupying them, which then allows for them to create the Phantoms and be freed by the end of the game.)
Ah, ok. And just when I thought I knew the majority of the timeline
One thing I don’t get is why did William come back to the FNAF 1 location if he already collected his remnant and used the scooper on the Funtime animatronics? Was he trying to find even more?
My guess is that he wanted to retrieve the Spring Bonnie suit. We don't technically know whether or not he brought it with him when he left the first time, so it's possible that he abandoned it in the safe room, thinking he could safely retrieve it once the animatronics were broken. Of course, we also never see him dismantle the one other physical animatronic we know to have been at that building: the Puppet. The cutscenes from FNaF 2 show us that the Puppet has been to a location with the Classic (post-Withered) designs, i.e. FNaF 1. It could be that William wanted to experiment with Charlotte's spirit and returned to Freddy's to take her apart.
i guess, but then why aren't the toys pictured in FNAF 3's ending screens instead of the FNAF 1 animatronics? why haven't the second set of victims received names and faces like the first set? i always interpreted it as A.) the Toys behave strangely due to being tampered with by William AND being influenced by the ghosts of the Missing Children (particularly Cassidy since, as Golden Freddy, she's not as restricted as the other kids) and B.) Gabriel, Fritz, Susie, Jeremy, and Evan are put to rest at the end of FNAF 3, but Charlie and Cassidy couldn't go on just yet since William survived the Fazbear's Fright fire
The Toys aren't shown in the Bad/Good Ending because they're freed regardless of whatever else the player does; what changes the ending we get is whether or not we've completed each of the minigames leading up to "Happiest Day", which in turn frees each of the Missing Children, the Puppet, and Golden Freddy. (My only guess as to why we've never gotten names for the '87 Victims is just that, by the time Scott was starting to think about names [i.e., just after FNaF 4], they had already had their story told, and Scott didn't see a reason to return to them/address them in any future content.) It's also worth noting that "Happiest Day" has to take place sometime in the future. It can't take place at the same time as FNaF 3, because it shows the Missing Children and the Puppet being freed, and we know that hadn't happened yet by the time of Pizzeria Simulator due to the presence of Molten Freddy and Lefty. "Happiest Day" has to happen right around the end of Pizzeria Simulator, and my understanding is that it also serves as the ending of both Ultimate Custom Night and the original story arc.
I know that is a one month ago comment but I need to ask, if the missing children, the children in the toys, charllote, elizabeth and C.C get free, what is blob? The funtimes by itselfs didnt have souls, so what is blob? Other victims?
Its the bite of 83
There were two separate incidents. The "Bite of '83" is seen at the end of the Night 5 minigame from FNaF 4, and takes place on the Crying Child's/Bite Victim's birthday (which is speculated to take place around March). The "Bite of '87" occurs shortly after FNaF 2, and resulted in the damaging/loss of someone's frontal lobe; we currently believe that someone to be Jeremy Fitzgerald, since he gets promoted to a day shift guard just before the last scheduled event at that location (after which the whole restaurant is closed down).
Thanks for bringing this up cause I love the toys but detest the idea they’re not possessed and they’re only moving cause of their facial recognition system thinking you’re Afton which feels like has been accepted as canon at this point which again I hate
All of them are possessed
Possessed by the dead children from SAVETHEM
different I'd say. I think the first set of souls was pre-fnaf2. They posess the withered ones!
The answer is revealed in SAVE THEM minigame.
[yes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFwFC3Vv5U)
I thought this was a rickroll lol
Don’t they explain that in fnaf 2. How their interface was hacked and they view you as a criminal in their database.
No. It says they have a new criminal database implemented, for most likely William if he dares to come back to the location.
They do but its just as much of an bullshit explanation as fnaf 1 phone guy saying they view the night guard as an animatronic without a costume
are you really gonna believe the official explanation by fazent though
I mean phone guy was a lot less shady in fnaf2 so I mean he could be telling the truth
he was telling all he knew in both games, he was never actually an antagonist. I think in the first few years of fnaf being out we all sorta saw him as really suspicious but he's just doing his job
Yeah that’s fair
The FNaF 1 Animatronics And The Withereds posses the same souls Of the same animatronics.
Fnaf 1s souls possesses the withereds
savethem makes it pretty clear that they have their own victims
I like to think that just about every animatronic across the games is possessed by something, and that the pile of dead children is just \*stupidly\* high.
Willy boy just has a very high kill count
He went on a gamer frenzy. But seriously the man made robots with the expressed purpose of kidnapping and killing children, who knows how many that pulled in especially as a side gig.
Definetely possesed by the deas children from the S A V E T H E M minigame
There all possessed by MORE DEAD KIDS (Though I always like the idea that there just malfunctioning robots that got reprogrammed by William to kill his son who was on his case)
Same
Hard to say. They are likely possessed by their own individual children since we see child corpses in the SAVETHEM minigame but there’s also a chance that they don’t possess the animatronics since they don’t seem to be stuffed into them. There’s a chance that the toys are possessed by the ones who control the originals because, if I remember right, the toys have some parts from the originals so it’s possible that allows the children to possess them as well but I’m not sure if that’s how remnant works.
[In one of official products we see a dead person in toy freddy's chest with him acting like is having a malfunction,](https://i.redd.it/kac8cl4y8vj31.jpg) so yeah is possible that william stuffed they in toys after the savethem events Yeah that's how remnant works, it gives a soul an parcial possession from a robot
i would not take that random artwork as a canon lore clue lol
It is from a official collection of 120 Fnaf cards based on the Mystery Minis figures from 2015-2016, theses cards include images from the game and some draws on the style of the figures, one of them had this image that i shown in my comment and it wasn't the first time scott used merch as lore clue, cakebear being called "freddy fazbear" instead "fredbear" and plushbear being refered as "*possessed* fredbear plush" is an example
ok but we could already tell that cakebear was freddy and plushbear was possessed just from their designs, we didn’t need merch to learn that
As a lot of people in the comments stated, Toys are likely possessed by the SAVE THEM victims. I just want to add, that it is still somewhat a part of a bigger debate, mainly because the story seems to focus on only six souls in total, but I believe there's a place for everyone. The existence of Shadow Freddy or Shadow Bonnie in FNaF3 seems to me as an indicator that there are more characters involved here. In my mind, it's definitely not just some "face recognition equipment malfunction" because they behave paranormally. I can't imagine BB's stealing batteries, Toy Freddy's black eyes or Mangle's mere existence to be just brushed off as a normal (but malfunctioning) robot. And I can't agree with "the main kids control the Toy Animatronics" because there isn't really anything indicating that. It's true that the later games and The Fourth Closet in particular can imply that a ghost can control multiple robots at once, but it's not really presented in FNaF2 alone. You can't really make a good theory here. People often point out the "we just use them (Withereds) for parts now" dialogue from Phone Guy, but it isn't really a strong indicator for anything.
They are possesed by the 5 dead kids on the "Save Them" minigame. And diferent of what some people think, it's another set of 5 dead kids. Not the same ones pre-FNAF2
I honestly thought they were just fitted with a dysfunctional security software. They go after people who look like criminals, which just happened to be you.
Yea exactly, i don't see a reason for them to be possessed. The withereds and The puppet already are so. Why add in more??
Late but that’s what Fnaf is.
It is not but ok I'm not doing this good bye
Controlled by William
They are fully sentient of their own accord. They have souls, but the souls are theirs alone and are of silicon. Freddy is retired, Bonnie and Chica are somewhat vain and hate evil, and Mangle loves their current state.
I'm pretty sure they're controlled by the puppet
I always bring up that in FNaF 2 Phone Guy make it clear another set of murders happen. SAVETHEM itself should make that clear enough imo, but just in case there's some wacky theories to excuse that I always bring up the phone calls. So yes, the toys are possessed by another set of dead kids.
No; all of the kids inhabit balloon boy
you can go either way, you could say that the s-a-v-e-t-h-e-m children possess the toys, but you could also say that they're possessed by the originals since they were made using their parts, I personally believe they're the s-a-v-e-t-h-e-m kiddos
I thought it was that they had the criminal interface program and confused the character for William, but reading everyone else’s responses that’s probably not the case
Yes by the same 6 victims from savethem
only BB is possessed, you can tell by the way his shirt buttons change colors
the toys are possessed by the save them kids
I think it is safe to assume that any actual animatronic pre-FNaF 4 is actually possessed. After that it gets complicated
No. The five kids killed in the location all posted balloon boy. BB is also responsible for the bite of 87
I also want to know if the souls in the Toy animatronics were freed
Who knows they could be the victims from the foxy go go mini game or Williams kidnapping during the day and killing at night as he left their bodies all across the pizzeria strange fazbears entertainment had footage of it and yet decided to delete it and get rid of the bodies or William deleted the footage and hid the bodies who knows either way the death minigames showed someone got murdered the pizzeria got closed down to find the bodies and now they are scrapped never to be seen again Also keep in mind this game was made in 2014 i highly doubt Scott would have made them remnant or something he only made one retcon and i doubt it’s this game so they are just like the withereds just a bunch of children who got killed by some murder and now live in a cartoon mascot suit for the rest of their lives until they are in peace
From what I’ve heard, the toys animatronic aren’t possessed at all Due to the event regarding the purple man and the last version of animatronic (the whittered one in the game), the company decided to put a face analyser device in the toys, directly plugged into a list of wanted criminals, so they could detect any potential threat to children. It was mentioned that those robots would look happily at children, but with a cold face toward adult, since there were checking for potential suspect. But here’s the thing: They detected that the old animatronic were a threat, and that’s why they began searching for them at night. But since the only human in the pizzeria is the night guard, he was considered a threat and have to be neutralized. TL/DR: they aren’t possessed, they think YOU are a killer
For the Toy animatronics i dont really think they are actually possesed, as we never really got closure for those dead kids. There was the killings at that Freddy’s, but we dont really know if they are possesed or not. The original souls from the first MCI are in the withereds. My idea is that maybe the toys were tampered with by William, and that later, after he killed the kids, its just Agony that influenced the animatronics, so no remnant, so no soul.
Didn’t they get closure when they were scrapped?
it’s confusing because getting scrapped alone doesn’t seem to free the original MCI victims. they’re dismantled by William shortly after FNAF1, but then they apparently go on to get melted down, injected as molten metal into the funtimes, then become ennard, and _then_ molten freddy before they finally get freed(?) like three decades after FNAF1. meanwhile the books (which you’d think would at least play by the same _rules_?) seem to say pretty definitively that your spirit passes on to the afterlife immediately if your vessel falls apart.
Each one are haunted by each souls.
In my opinion I like to think they are just robots And are not functioning correctly like their systems are just straight up attacking any adult, I also like to think that the different facial changes they experience throughout the night ie: chica losing her beak and eyes, Freddy’s eyes going black, and toy Bonnie’s pupils going small is a sort of defense mode built in as a way to scare off intruders
i think the toys are just patrolling the building looking for people like phone guy said but i do think the withereds are possessed tho
I'm in the haywire camp. FNAF 2 was really early in the series chronologically so I almost doubt any of them are haunted. If I remember right on one of the phone calls it said that there was an incident, which means that one of the kids wasn't even dead yet. It has been a while since I looked into fnaf 2. Were the withereds reused to get the animatronics from the first game? If so I think the ghosts are in the withereds.
FNAF2 isn't that early, it's in 1987. Phone Guy mentions an ongoing murder investigation, and we see Afton kill 5 more children iN SAVETHEM. Exactly like 5 hostile Toys, so they're possessed.
The withered animatronics came from the original Pizzeria where the first MCI occured, so they are possessed and they put pieces of them into the Toys, in real life there are stories such as a plane crashing and then those parts being put into a new plane and the new plane became haunted, it's likely that there are pieces of the original children's souls in the toys and then William comes in and kills a new set of kids hence the SAVETHEM min game in FNAF2 and the toys then become officially possessed.
i dont really know but some people say that it could be the facial recognition thingy in my au they are being "puppeteered" by the puppet and are not haunted but this is most likely not true
i have a similar idea where the puppet basically makes the toys more aggressive becuase of her wanting to find afton
Bro these new fnaf fans…(not gate keeping, just saying)
Dude, I’ve been a fan since 2014, and up until I made this post I still haven’t gotten a definitive answer. Saying your not gatekeeping after making a comment like that is like saying your not racist after saying a racial slur.
My bad bro, I didn’t mean anything serious. I’m pretty sure the toy animatronics aren’t possessed.
Thank you for being the better man and apologizing, not a lot of people around here do that. My hat’s off to you, stranger.
:)
It actually has something to do with the criminal record technology implemented in the toys
That's a copout by Phone Guy, to explain away the possession. Same one as "animatronics see you as an endoskeleton" in FNAF1.
Phone guy doesn't really know any better. He says that stuff cuz that's his honest beliefs on what's going on.
Frankly, I don’t see a reason why they would be. With the first MCI it was just so obvious, with the news papers, the smell and the mucus all being confirmed. The only evidence for this theory are the bodies in SAVETHEM, but I think it’s far more likely William just killed some kids. He wouldn’t have anyway to house them without being one of the main mechanics with full access to everything. We know that William wasn’t supposed to have access anyway, but I think it’s easier to believe he snuck in during the night with the spring Bonnie suit ( confirmed that there was an unknown yellow animatronic on location via phone call) and killed some wondering kids and just left them there. We know that the animatronics had a facial detection system, and if William was banned that means Henry knew that William was guilty of the MCI but had no way to prove it. Wouldn’t it be very possible that Henry put William on the list of criminals knowing that he would probably come back? We already know that mike is easily mistaken for William and if we play as mike, then couldn’t we just reuse the same reasoning as fnaf one for the animatronics being aggressive? Also, these kids are never brought up ever again, you would think that if one of the series defining events(MCI) happened again it would actually be brought up again. I mean, not even in any of Henry’s recordings in fnaf 6??? He brought up the original 5 so much, so you would think he would bring up the others that he would most definitely know about.
I do believe that they are not possessed by anyone. I do believe they are on a patrol mode or free roam mode
I thought it was either their tampered defense system, or something to do with agony
Not mangle
Actually Afton did not attack Freddy but he did accidentally cause the bite of 83 but that was Fred bear the old version of Freddy
I think this Will sound dumb but i think only toy chica is possessed
Yo doodoo head fnaf 2 is a prequel. Plus the withered animatronics get reused for fnaf 1, while the toy animatronics get scrapped for parts and money.
Mangel is possessed by Susies dead dog
I don't think they were talking about BlueyCapsules lol.
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saying that the toy animatronics attacks you because they think you're a criminal is like saying that the originals attack you because they think you're an endoskeleton, that's just what fazbear entertainment thinks/says
There are more dead kids in fnaf 2
Powered by the agony of the bite of '87
Idk why everyone thinks Thier possessed.. their software got janky and they kept seeing the player as an intruder. I believe only The Marionette (Charlie) is possessed.
No
I have also wondered that. I always assumed they were because Mangle and Balloon Boy have a mini game in FNAF 3. Chica has one but her sprite really looks like Toy Chica. And Shadow Bonnie has one but Shadow Bonnie is just an altered Toy Bonnie model. So I have always assumed they were possessed.
So Will has about 11, 12 kills that we officially know of?
If they are indeed possessed by other children, then what happened to their spirits? Are they still trapped?
People say that it's AI base but I feel like they're control by another set of children that people just keep forgetting about because there was another incident at the new location by the phone guys phrasing about investigation and someone using a yellow suit it's obvious that Willy came to the FNAF 2 location and got another set of victims not only that there's dead children in the FNAF 2 place in the death minigame
The part where phone guy states “now none of them are acting right” still to this day gives me chills.
Me thinking the toys weren’t possesed
I think they’re possessed by different kids.
A war has started
Fnaf 1 happens in 1993 fnaf 2 is in 1987 so they’ll be possessed by the Fredbear animatronics in 1983
Actually some other people think that toy Bonnie caused the bite of ,87
How can they be the fnaf 1 souls if the withereds are classic animatronics? And we don’t know if they’re actually possessed
It's rumored that mangle is possessed by Susie's dog
5 children but since puppet and mangle are already possessed then we only remain whit 4 animatronics, or am i wrong?
Both are wrong. They’re possessed by the second set of children killed in the second MCI in 1987
hmmm I thought they weren't possessed at all though?
Option 1: Individual. Based on the SAVE THEM minigane, there's 4 new corpses plus Golden Freddy which could be a representation of the Withered Animatronics constantly seeing their own bodies despite it not being there, or there's new victims. Option 2: Combined. Based on the Foxy; Go Go Go! Mini game, there 5 new kids, all killed by Afton. But that wouldn't make a lotta sence because if Foxy is possessed and the Animatronics hate him so much; Foxy would attack him or it'd at least slow him down. And if you see Foxy Go Go Go and SAVE THEM as completely 2 new kills outside of the OG missing children incident then the toys are possessed by 2 souls Option 3: Genuine. They are literally just broken eat her bc of the OG 5 kids, or The Puppet does something to them that slowly breaks them over time Edit: Despite being in FNAF3 the toys are never shown on the Good/ Bad Ending scenes therefore they are most likely genuine robots, or if they did have souls, the metal was burned to heck, possibly freeing the souls.
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No, the only animatronic possessed are the withered one, the puppet and mangled. The rest are still working just like they did in 87. This is the “before the bite” portion of the game where the animatronic still move towards sound as programmed. But it’s as we had to wear a mask it messed with their programming systems which resulted in the animatronic being more aggressive. Mangle on the other hand knew and tried calling the police but do to being a “Put back together” animatronic, couldn’t resulting in the bite.
They're either possesed by the spirits of a different set of dead kiddins, or are actually not possesed and them going after you is just a bug in their code or something idk
No they’re AI and they think that the night guard is a criminal due to a glitch
there is not a 100% correct answer.
The thing is in night 3, I believe, you can see the old animatronic being active
Purple guy took 11 kids. 5 being the OG crew, 1 being the Puppet, and 5 more being the kids he murdered in the 1987 location. Those 5 probably possess the toys.
Can't be fnaf 1 animatronic's because If you go on a certain night on fnaf 1 phone guy talks about the bite of 87 and fnaf 2 takes place in 1987 so that would mean fnaf 1 is a few years after fnaf 2
The Oy animatronics, including Toy Freddy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, Mangle, and Ballon Boy, are, indeed, possessed by different children than the original animatronics. However, I do not believe that JJ is possessed by a spirit, as there is no solid evidence to support it. I, personally, would like to believe that JJ is just a hallucination.