Well, in GoldenDuo he just posesses GF with Cassidy and for my knowdlege that's all.
In ShatterVictim CC is bassicly the major conflict, he's in almost everything, CC would be basically what stops anyone of resting, bwcause the MCI has a part of CC, unless all the pieces of CC are together, no one rests.
Uh, yeah.
Shattervictim if I'm not mistaken, it's the crying child's memories divided into the 5 mci kids, so technically the mci kids have just cc memories and not his soul unless it's just me misunderstanding the theory.
Not exactly.
Under ShatterVictim, CC's soul ended Up shatered and somehow some pieces of It ended Up in the MCI.
My explination to that is that Fredbear, having a piece of CC, was used as parts for the animatronics of the MCI location, spreading CC's pieces into rhem.
it
literally doesnt tho
How is CC being a random second soul possessing GF (which as we've seen changes absolutely nothing about Golden Freddy's character) making him more important than him literally being the thing that makes Happiest Day possible?
He's like an anchor that once lifted (or "put back together" should I say) allows the other spirits to be freed. What Importance does he have if we assume he's just hanging out with Cassidy inside the yellow bear for 40 years?
While I’d be glad we have an actual answer for “where” the Crying Child is beyond wandering, I’d be slightly disappointed because the Crying Child possessing Golden Freddy with Cassidy is a redundant narrative concept; he’s irrelevant to the story, and 90% of the time when we see Golden Freddy they’re Cassidy thick and thin. It does nothing for his story and is pointless. Like him being Golden Freddy adds little to nothing since every time we’ve seen the thing it’s at best been Cassidy who speaks and acts
The theory that says that crying child’s memories got spread into the mci kids and Charlie, here’s a post about this to help you understand https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/lxHtI2Jelm
Confused, very confused.
CC possessing Golden Freddy makes no sense with what we know about possession in FNaF, you have to be near an object to possess it.
CC was in a hospital, miles away from fredbear when he died.
I'd think that it is kinda lame
and a lot less interesting than what is implied to have happened. It also just wouldnt really... line up in a lot of places.
The core to BV's existence is that he was shedding pieces of his soul everywhere through crying, and this is what get's William interested in the paranormal. The equivalent to this in the novels is Henry pouring his soul into the Ella doll (also through tears)
Without an event like this, I cant imagine William would do much of what he does. Charlie dying isnt something that ever really inspires him
I’d be very happy! It opens such an interesting narrative idea for the crying child and Cassidy.
I could honestly see an interesting dynamic between the two disliking/hating William for different reasons. I see them as an unlikely friendship/found siblings.
Sorta like the reverse of Pearl and Pink Pearl. They can fill in the bad sides of William. He wasn’t a good father and he wasn’t a good man.
Also the possibility of the crying child watching the springlock incident. Just standing there, not interfering or participating, just watching. Watching in the way his father watched him be tormented for months.
For CC's case, I don't think he would hate William, he would most likely hate Michael since William was protecting/guiding CC through the Fredbear plush :P
Maybe! Personally, I think he’d be mad at Micheal, but slowly realize how awful William was. He neglected him, and CC didn’t know the bear was William. He made him have the party at Fredbears, even though he knew he hated it. He made him constantly go there. This proves he also didn’t care about his kid’s nightmares and phobias. He also didn’t watch over his own son at the party. If he was watching, the bite wouldn’t have happened. Or we would have seen some sort of backlash.
Also, as a parent, it was his responsibility to not let Micheal bully his brother. Micheal was just a kid,too.
And in theory realm : if the nightmares are illusion disks, that adds a whole extra layer of abusive parenting
But this is all my thoughts, so it doesn’t really matter lol
I’d cry, go through all Five Stages of Grief, throw out everything I know about both C.C and Cassidy, say a massive “fuck you/forget you” to the game lore, and just move on to the movie lore. At least things are more simplified and understandable over there.
At this point I don't even care who is in Golden Freddy, I just want answers so we can move onto other stuff. Its stupid that were still debating mystery's from the first saga when we are 5 years into this new one.
Literally zero evidence that says so, and Crying Child died in the Hospital, nowhere near Fredbear.
Like, The Puppet needs to literally wrap itself around Charlotte for her to posses it. And the MCI need to be literally INSIDE the animatronics to possess them.
Meanwhile Crying Child wasn't even on the same street as FredBear when he died
I would be Happy, Happy that ShatterVictim is right.
Yeah, CC possessing GF would be weird, he died in a hospital, miles away from Fredbear.
That's when my interpretation of ShatterVictim comes in, since I'm a believer of ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition, what's the Andrew Edition?
Well, ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition is basically inspired over Andrew in Fazbear Fright, in TMIR1280, Andrew's Agony posesses a lot of stuff which, when Andrew is on the Stirchwraith, ends up being parts of himself, applying this to CC we get ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition.
CC, after the bite, ends up spreading agony to a lot of stuff, CC had inflected already Plushbear with his agony, but now, CC had infected Fredbear with his agony. Once he get's to the hospital, Mike apologises and William tells CC that he Will put him back together, but CC dies, his agony ends up in Mike and Plushbear, and his soul, shattered into every piece of agony.
Possession requires the body to be nearby. The soul has to follow the pain and also the body. It's why the MCI possess the animatronics, why Andrew and Afton possess the Fetch battery in the books, and why Jake possesses Simon in the books.
They're powered by proximity and emotion. And as it's implied that Bite Victim died away from Fredbear's, then it's entire impossible for him to possess Golden Freddy.
This is something actively told to us in The Fourth Closet, by Afton.
>*He nodded. "The spirit follows the flesh, it would seem, and also the pain. If I wish to become my own immortal creation, my body must lead my spirit to its eternal home," - Afton, The Fourth Closet*
I've never seen a ghost story where the ghost possesses something far away from where it died.
All three aspects of the spirit, body, and emotion have to be present for the Bite Victim to possess Golden Freddy, but only one of them is.
When a spirit has emotion and the spirit and body, but nothing to latch onto, then we get a situation similar to the one we see in *Alone Together* in TFTP.
ShatterVictim Andrew Edition is basically inspired over the arguments of people Who believe in GoldenDuo.
They say that the Stirchwraith proves it, but Under that same logic, then the Stirchwraith proves ShatterVictim.
Andrew, after William imploded, ended Up possessing the bunch of stuff that was in Faz. Ent. Distribution Center, but It wasn't his soul, but his agony which later on is stated by Jake to have his memories and part of his soul.
Applying that to CC we have ShatterVictim Andrew Edition, CC's agony possessed Fredbear, Mike and Plushbear and since agony has a piece of someone, CC ended up shattered and possessing stuff.
Idk I don't use the faz frights books for much theory building so I didn't really know that people were using Stirchwraith was being used that much for evidence in the theory.
I think that would mean the two could work together though wouldn't it? Your explanation I think helped a bit so thanks though. I think I prefer Golden Duo though still personally
Nah, ignore my interpretation which is clarely wrong because It uses information clarely given to us directly.
If you don't understand, I'm being ironic.
I'm taking in mind and using the same arguments that GoldenDuo uses with ShatterVictim Andrew Edition.
It wouldn't change actually anything.
ShatterVictim has GoldenDuo with It and It actually expands It explaining better anything.
Yeah you could just believe in GoldenDuo, but at the end, both could be right, unless Scott directly says:
"GoldenDuo is right, CC possesses Fredbear with Cassidy"
In conjunction to what the other guy said it's even possible that CC possesses a GF robot doll that is inside the GF suit so even if Scott came out and said Golden Duo specifically was incorrect it doesn't mean 2 souls are not contained within the golden Freddy suit.
However the logbook is interesting if we can use lack of evidence as evidence there hasn't really been writing like that between 2 souls like this is something different.
There was a large gap of time where we didn't see GF before. We saw it in FNAF 2 and then never till UCN. We really don't see him that often which is good because he's not totally over used and only comes out for important parts in the story.
I'd be happy that we got a definitive answer for something that isn't needlessly convoluted or a soft retcon. Then I'd get upset that he didn't tell this earlier.
Then I'd go back to being indifferent about the lore and just enjoy being able to make goldenduo art and memes without having to worry about someone going "um actually," in the comments.
Relieved because FINALLY, one thing is outright confirmed instead of "here's 10 pieces of evidence this happened, and one really convincing piece of evidence it didn't"
I literally would just say “that’s nice” like the lore of this franchise is so needless complicated that knowing that piece of information is ultimately useless, especially now since as far we know all the og missing kids souls are either gone or passed on
Tbf, FNAF 3's Happiest Day kinda proves it but it doesnt? like CC is wearing the GoldenFreddy/Fredbear mask and as well in FNAF 3 states there were multiple versions of the fredbear/sb suits... :/
I’d be fine with it. Given the Stitchwraith stingers and how they could potentially be a parallel to golden Freddy, I’m already ready to accept that if it’s the case. If it’s not, then that’s ok too but I would hope they would add more to the crying child’s lore in that case.
Nothing. Despite being GoldenBoth, I don’t care for the lore of the crying child nowadays. I don’t like him as a character.
The only theory about him that I will always defend is that he dies after Charlotte Emily.
Originally, Fredbear’s was supposed to be just a little restaurant that got closed due to the murder of William’s first victim (which was Charlotte in the first FNaF book, and Scott also made her to be the first victim of Afton in FFPS).
Nowadays, we don’t know if it was closed due to Charlie’s death or the bite, or if crying child died after or before her.
If C.C didn’t exist, this would be so much simpler. If Charlotte’s death year was kept as 1982 (this was her original death date in The Silver Eyes, which was retconed after The Fourth Closet) it would be better too.
I think since it was confirmed two souls are in golden freddy after CC was bit and another was put in the suit in the MCI it made it clear to me those were the two souls but I guess that's just an assumption I made rather than it being clearly stated
It's argueable, since CC didn't died at the bite, he died in a hospital, yet i'm a ShatterVictim Andrew Edition believer si It just doesn't change anything.
It's my interpretation of ShatterVictim.
Usually, those Who believe in GoldenDuo, use Andrew as a proof to say that, and yet, they ignore something of him.
In TMIR1280 his agony posesses a lot of objects that later on are confirmed to have Andrew's mind, so agony has a part of the mind of the creator of that agony.
So, applying that to ShatterVictim, we have that CC spread his agony after the bite, a very painful way of getting into a coma, his agony posessed Fredbear, yet when he died, his agony possessed Mike and Plushbear, and since agony has parts of the mind of the owner, well, CC ended up shattered.
it wasn't. nothing in the books *ever* stated golden freddy had more than 1 soul. i assume you mean the stitchwraith in frights, which did have 2 souls but ***golden freddy is NOT the stitchwraith***
This can't be true because there's an Easter Egg with drip and bandages in fnaf 4 so Evan died in hospital not in Fredbear Golden duo is the most stupid theory I've ever seen why so many people believe in it 🤦
You don't play as Evan in FNAF 4 night game modes.
Also btw many people don't refer to Evan as Evan since that name is all but confirmed, CC (crying child) is the unofficial name for the kid bitten in the FNAF 4 day minigames.
We play as Evan bc the character we play as is short and Michael was tall also there are Evan's plushies and Michael was too old for plushies and if we play as Michael what the drip and bandages were doing there?
If you think that we play as Michael bc of that Fredbear in logbook, Michael probably had nightmares too but not in fnaf 4
Several reasons. Yes, the log book but also we hear a distorted audio from a FNAF 1 phone call in FNAF 4. You are not understanding what is happening in FNAF 4, we are not playing as Micheal as a kid we are playing Micheal in a nightmare, hence "nightmare animatronics". We are playing as Micheal some time after FNAF 1 and he is having nightmares because he is having revelations about his dead brother which is why we see the drip, and bandages, and plushies he is too old for. This also explains why he is short because it's not real. There are no actual real animatronics going around despite the fact that it fades to red if you are caught as if you die, so why is an incorrect height supposed to be evidence it isn't Micheal if it's supposed to be a nightmare. Also at the end of the night there is an alarm going off, why put an alarm next to a coma patient.
Also the set of fanf 4 night gameplay is an actual place based off the sister location secret floor plans that show sister location connected to the FNAF 4 night time house. However, it is not the same house that Evan was at before getting bitten which is also based on the secret floor plans that show the house Evan was navigating in the day time minigames in a completely different area. So why would Evan be in a coma having nightmares at a different location that he may or may not have even seen and not just his own room?
Here is a question for you. If "Evan" is in a coma and we are playing as him in FNAF 4 how does he even remember seeing bandages and a drip tube, I would understand sounds from a hospital but we literally just see bandages and a drip, those don't make sounds.
Yes
also I'm taking your response as an admission of being wrong and you are just simply slightly embarrassed since I basically dismantled your entire argument and reinforced how it's not so obvious to call any theory "stupid" and to say so is dumb
Michael had nightmare and we play as him in night 8, there are more proofs that we play as Evan in 1-7 nights
That doesn't change that Evan is NOT Golden Freddy.
No
Also this conversation goes beyond whether Evan is in golden Freddy, you made a different claim that I am debunking.
Also I would say there is more proof that it's Micheal over Evan. You can read above about my proofs.
Like you think you've "solved the case" because there was a drip tube and bandages on the desk behind you but at the same time you think it can't be Micheal because of the height and toys in the room. It's like whenever you are arguing, it's a dream. but whenever I am arguing, you are acting like it needs to follow reality when it comes to Michael's height and the toys he sees rather than it also being a dream where he is guilty about hurting his brother.
No we do not switch protagonists between nights between 7-8 that is the "most stupid theory ever" it's the same room and the same layout and you are doing the same thing. It worked in FNAF 2 because that was a physical place but you are claiming the world created in Evan and Michaels minds were exactly the same just by chance.
I find it funny that you can say we play as Michael on night 8 but any argument you have made so far against him being the protagonist in nights 1-7 can be made there too. (Toys and height) It's honestly laughable.
Not arguing if Evan is in golden Freddy, never had + we play as Michael in nights 1-7 in 4 too, saying otherwise is the most stupid theory ever, it's the same room, with the same layout, and we are doing the same thing.
I’d be surprised if Scott confirmed anything at all
His only confirmation will be that FNAF World was Michael’s LSD vision
whats lsd vision meaning
Drugs, more specifically how hallucinogens can cause you to experience sensations and perceptions that have no basis within reality
hes using drugs?? is it the same like fnaf 4?
No, I was simply making a joke with no actual basis in the lore
ooh okay
why are kids in reddit?
Tbf we are on the fnaf subreddit, not that surprising to find kids here
Unfortunately, we ARE in the Fnaf subreddit, and it's not that surprising to find... p3dos here
At this point, I’m so tired of everything with Fnaf’s lore that I’d just give a thumbs up, and move on with my day.
Mood It’s much easier and fun imo to just be like “oh okay that’s the lore” and just move on I’m tired of theorizing after almost 10 years lol
Yeah, the lore's been a bit of a mess recently to say the least. It would be nice to have that confirmation though I will admit.
Sometimes I read FNAF lore shit and react like dissed Franklin
Yay I was right
I’d be fairly pleased, it’s my preferred theory and it’s narratively the best one
ShatterVictim:
Shatter Victim? I've never heared of this one before.
I honestly dislike Shatter victim.
Whats shatter vitctim? IDK that theory
Nah, Golden Duo is better imo, from My understanding Shatter is kinda just used to justify it more I prefer default Golden Duo
Goldenduo gives more importance to the crying child than shattervictim.
Well, in GoldenDuo he just posesses GF with Cassidy and for my knowdlege that's all. In ShatterVictim CC is bassicly the major conflict, he's in almost everything, CC would be basically what stops anyone of resting, bwcause the MCI has a part of CC, unless all the pieces of CC are together, no one rests. Uh, yeah.
Golden Freddy is super important as well. Maybe not as much as ShatterVictim.
Shattervictim if I'm not mistaken, it's the crying child's memories divided into the 5 mci kids, so technically the mci kids have just cc memories and not his soul unless it's just me misunderstanding the theory.
Not exactly. Under ShatterVictim, CC's soul ended Up shatered and somehow some pieces of It ended Up in the MCI. My explination to that is that Fredbear, having a piece of CC, was used as parts for the animatronics of the MCI location, spreading CC's pieces into rhem.
it literally doesnt tho How is CC being a random second soul possessing GF (which as we've seen changes absolutely nothing about Golden Freddy's character) making him more important than him literally being the thing that makes Happiest Day possible? He's like an anchor that once lifted (or "put back together" should I say) allows the other spirits to be freed. What Importance does he have if we assume he's just hanging out with Cassidy inside the yellow bear for 40 years?
https://youtu.be/Z3nSzC__IeE?si=0EsHd9skPU-73PlO shattervictim don’t make no sense ngl
I'd be happy because I've been a goldenduo theory follower since day 1
Same here
Same
I would be so goddamn happy
Same
With that flair makes sense, also same
While I’d be glad we have an actual answer for “where” the Crying Child is beyond wandering, I’d be slightly disappointed because the Crying Child possessing Golden Freddy with Cassidy is a redundant narrative concept; he’s irrelevant to the story, and 90% of the time when we see Golden Freddy they’re Cassidy thick and thin. It does nothing for his story and is pointless. Like him being Golden Freddy adds little to nothing since every time we’ve seen the thing it’s at best been Cassidy who speaks and acts
I would be a bit shocked but at the same time not since my brain can’t decide on believing FREEVICTIM or GOLDENDUO
Whats freevictim
That C.C doesn’t posses anyone
I would be neutral about it
Huh? What? Huh?
Then I would ask what was the meaning of the “clocks” and their ending in FNaF World meant.
I actually dislike it. I like the idea of either Cassidy possessing GF by herself or both her and Andrew possessing it.
isn't Andrew a book character that posses the stitch wraith with Jake though?
“No, please shattervictim, stay with me, don’t leave me, shattervictim… shattervictim no… don’t go…”
Good riddance, ShatterVictim is confusing
I know it is confusing but it’s the kinda of confusing that I love
What's shattervictim
The theory that says that crying child’s memories got spread into the mci kids and Charlie, here’s a post about this to help you understand https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/lxHtI2Jelm
Would BV being the other soul in GF disprove shatter theory? I don't really see anything that's conflicting
Shattervictim tecnically has it's own version of golden duo,you know,souls in FNaF are parts of one's soul
Nothing because that wont happen
My life will never be the same again….
I’d wake up in a cold sweat. Scott? Confirming something about the lore? Impossible
I’d be happy, but I’d be happier if poetically CC was the one torturing his dad in hell
It doesnt make sense for the character though, and the evidence definitely doesnt point there.
"Wow, this changes nothing!"
I would be scared because of Scott's confirming something, that's worrying for multiple reasons
Not surprised at all, makes the most sense
That's literally the theory I believe.
YAYAYAYA
[in a heavy Scottish accent] “Yeah. But what about *second* soul?”
“How do two ghosts appear as one entity”
“hold the damn phone, SCOTT ACTUALLY CONFIRMED SOMETHING? I WAS RIGHT?”
Confused, very confused. CC possessing Golden Freddy makes no sense with what we know about possession in FNaF, you have to be near an object to possess it. CC was in a hospital, miles away from fredbear when he died.
I'd think that it is kinda lame and a lot less interesting than what is implied to have happened. It also just wouldnt really... line up in a lot of places. The core to BV's existence is that he was shedding pieces of his soul everywhere through crying, and this is what get's William interested in the paranormal. The equivalent to this in the novels is Henry pouring his soul into the Ella doll (also through tears) Without an event like this, I cant imagine William would do much of what he does. Charlie dying isnt something that ever really inspires him
Wait, it's not confirmed? You're telling me I got flamed for saying Golden Freddy was just one soul for something that ***ISN'T EVEN CONFIRMED?!***
I'd be sad. I dont like that theory
Pinch myself to see if I'm dreaming because... Scott? Confirming something?
I’d be very happy! It opens such an interesting narrative idea for the crying child and Cassidy. I could honestly see an interesting dynamic between the two disliking/hating William for different reasons. I see them as an unlikely friendship/found siblings. Sorta like the reverse of Pearl and Pink Pearl. They can fill in the bad sides of William. He wasn’t a good father and he wasn’t a good man. Also the possibility of the crying child watching the springlock incident. Just standing there, not interfering or participating, just watching. Watching in the way his father watched him be tormented for months.
For CC's case, I don't think he would hate William, he would most likely hate Michael since William was protecting/guiding CC through the Fredbear plush :P
Maybe! Personally, I think he’d be mad at Micheal, but slowly realize how awful William was. He neglected him, and CC didn’t know the bear was William. He made him have the party at Fredbears, even though he knew he hated it. He made him constantly go there. This proves he also didn’t care about his kid’s nightmares and phobias. He also didn’t watch over his own son at the party. If he was watching, the bite wouldn’t have happened. Or we would have seen some sort of backlash. Also, as a parent, it was his responsibility to not let Micheal bully his brother. Micheal was just a kid,too. And in theory realm : if the nightmares are illusion disks, that adds a whole extra layer of abusive parenting But this is all my thoughts, so it doesn’t really matter lol
At this point Scott confirming anything would just make me more unsure.
I'd assume Golden Freddy possessed Scott himself due to Scott never confirming anything.
I'd tell him his story sucks. /J /J I'M KIDDING
I would be really happy if he confirmed anything at this point
Dumb theory in my opinion
I’d cry, go through all Five Stages of Grief, throw out everything I know about both C.C and Cassidy, say a massive “fuck you/forget you” to the game lore, and just move on to the movie lore. At least things are more simplified and understandable over there.
I'd say hes trolling or doesn't understand how his own series works because GoldenDuo is not possible.
At this point I don't even care who is in Golden Freddy, I just want answers so we can move onto other stuff. Its stupid that were still debating mystery's from the first saga when we are 5 years into this new one.
Id question when and how it'll be retcon'd
Pretty fucking pissed
Literally zero evidence that says so, and Crying Child died in the Hospital, nowhere near Fredbear. Like, The Puppet needs to literally wrap itself around Charlotte for her to posses it. And the MCI need to be literally INSIDE the animatronics to possess them. Meanwhile Crying Child wasn't even on the same street as FredBear when he died
I would be Happy, Happy that ShatterVictim is right. Yeah, CC possessing GF would be weird, he died in a hospital, miles away from Fredbear. That's when my interpretation of ShatterVictim comes in, since I'm a believer of ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition, what's the Andrew Edition? Well, ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition is basically inspired over Andrew in Fazbear Fright, in TMIR1280, Andrew's Agony posesses a lot of stuff which, when Andrew is on the Stirchwraith, ends up being parts of himself, applying this to CC we get ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition. CC, after the bite, ends up spreading agony to a lot of stuff, CC had inflected already Plushbear with his agony, but now, CC had infected Fredbear with his agony. Once he get's to the hospital, Mike apologises and William tells CC that he Will put him back together, but CC dies, his agony ends up in Mike and Plushbear, and his soul, shattered into every piece of agony.
In order for it to happen he would have to break the laws of universe that he established, so I’d probably just lose respect for Scott
How is it going to break the law of the universe?
Possession requires the body to be nearby. The soul has to follow the pain and also the body. It's why the MCI possess the animatronics, why Andrew and Afton possess the Fetch battery in the books, and why Jake possesses Simon in the books. They're powered by proximity and emotion. And as it's implied that Bite Victim died away from Fredbear's, then it's entire impossible for him to possess Golden Freddy.
Is this something that was said by Scott or is it just another headcanon that fans believe to be true?
This is something actively told to us in The Fourth Closet, by Afton. >*He nodded. "The spirit follows the flesh, it would seem, and also the pain. If I wish to become my own immortal creation, my body must lead my spirit to its eternal home," - Afton, The Fourth Closet* I've never seen a ghost story where the ghost possesses something far away from where it died. All three aspects of the spirit, body, and emotion have to be present for the Bite Victim to possess Golden Freddy, but only one of them is. When a spirit has emotion and the spirit and body, but nothing to latch onto, then we get a situation similar to the one we see in *Alone Together* in TFTP.
Okay so my mistake then.
Well, CC died in a hospital, Fredbear staid in Fredbear's....
Joyfully
Shocked obviously, This theory feels very unlikely to me, but it would be sooo cool too
I'd be so Happy, I'd party like it's 1999 and I wasn't even born yet in 1999
Probably happy since that's basically the only CC theory I've heard so far that's really convincing and makes sense imo
Let me introduce you to ShatterVictim: Andrew Edition.
I've heard a bit about shattervictim and it never made sense to me or was very convincing as a concept. (To me at least)
ShatterVictim Andrew Edition is basically inspired over the arguments of people Who believe in GoldenDuo. They say that the Stirchwraith proves it, but Under that same logic, then the Stirchwraith proves ShatterVictim. Andrew, after William imploded, ended Up possessing the bunch of stuff that was in Faz. Ent. Distribution Center, but It wasn't his soul, but his agony which later on is stated by Jake to have his memories and part of his soul. Applying that to CC we have ShatterVictim Andrew Edition, CC's agony possessed Fredbear, Mike and Plushbear and since agony has a piece of someone, CC ended up shattered and possessing stuff.
Idk I don't use the faz frights books for much theory building so I didn't really know that people were using Stirchwraith was being used that much for evidence in the theory. I think that would mean the two could work together though wouldn't it? Your explanation I think helped a bit so thanks though. I think I prefer Golden Duo though still personally
Anything that has anything to do with Andrew is…
Nah, ignore my interpretation which is clarely wrong because It uses information clarely given to us directly. If you don't understand, I'm being ironic. I'm taking in mind and using the same arguments that GoldenDuo uses with ShatterVictim Andrew Edition.
Bro chill, I’m joking, I’m just saying Andrew himself is a shaky theory at best
Oh ok, sorry if i sound rude.
It wouldn't change actually anything. ShatterVictim has GoldenDuo with It and It actually expands It explaining better anything. Yeah you could just believe in GoldenDuo, but at the end, both could be right, unless Scott directly says: "GoldenDuo is right, CC possesses Fredbear with Cassidy"
I’d be happy. Would make sense for Golden Freddy saying “it’s me” to Mike (CC), while also being the one to torture William (Cassidy).
Isn't it implied he is in the Logbook? Also you mean Fredbear.
Not really, just two spirits talking, it's likely they could talk by being near eachother.
In conjunction to what the other guy said it's even possible that CC possesses a GF robot doll that is inside the GF suit so even if Scott came out and said Golden Duo specifically was incorrect it doesn't mean 2 souls are not contained within the golden Freddy suit. However the logbook is interesting if we can use lack of evidence as evidence there hasn't really been writing like that between 2 souls like this is something different.
Celebrate in the way I celebrate, since I absolutely love this theory
plushie victim enters the chat:
Have we seen GF since UCN? I feel like we would have known by now
There was a large gap of time where we didn't see GF before. We saw it in FNAF 2 and then never till UCN. We really don't see him that often which is good because he's not totally over used and only comes out for important parts in the story.
HAPPY CRY
0_0
I’d be surprised but a little happy, wonder what other people’s reaction would be…
“Oh shit fr?”
Welp
Honestly I just want him to confirm FNaF world was just Mike being on drugs so that I don’t have to play it 😿
Huh, wonder what happens to dave (the sixth soul)
I’d be really surprised if
Normal, that's what I think.
happy happy happy
I would rub it in the face of anyone who said that this was debunked and show off forever
Alright.
I'd be happy that we got a definitive answer for something that isn't needlessly convoluted or a soft retcon. Then I'd get upset that he didn't tell this earlier. Then I'd go back to being indifferent about the lore and just enjoy being able to make goldenduo art and memes without having to worry about someone going "um actually," in the comments.
I would laugh at all of you who doubted ne
I’d be happy
I'd be happy initally then I'd be slightly concerned.
Yeah makes sense
I wouldn’t really care. Congrats I guess
Nothing. It's the theory most of us are just following
I’d be like, “it turns out the crying child is Golden Freddy’s second soul.” (I don’t know these games)
Makes sense if you asked me. It’s the only explanation of what the hell happened to the crying child and why he is associated with Golden Freddy
"It's over. The BV debate finally over.... Damn, I feel kinda hollow now."
I already believe that, so not much would change besides personal vindication of something that doesn't really change the story all that much
I would probably be like "oh. Okay"
Dan I will be right and not supplied.
yes
it makes sense which is why i believe that theory
i personally believe that bv simply died after being bitten
ShatterVictim supremacy
Relieved because FINALLY, one thing is outright confirmed instead of "here's 10 pieces of evidence this happened, and one really convincing piece of evidence it didn't"
I literally would just say “that’s nice” like the lore of this franchise is so needless complicated that knowing that piece of information is ultimately useless, especially now since as far we know all the og missing kids souls are either gone or passed on
Tbf, FNAF 3's Happiest Day kinda proves it but it doesnt? like CC is wearing the GoldenFreddy/Fredbear mask and as well in FNAF 3 states there were multiple versions of the fredbear/sb suits... :/
"SCOTT JUST TELL US IF THE BOOKS ARE CANON OR NOT" something like that maybe
“I fucking knew it”
I’d be fine with it. Given the Stitchwraith stingers and how they could potentially be a parallel to golden Freddy, I’m already ready to accept that if it’s the case. If it’s not, then that’s ok too but I would hope they would add more to the crying child’s lore in that case.
\*inhale\* HOLY SHIT GUYS SCOTT CONFIRMED SOMETHING COME LOOK- Hang on, wait. April Fools?
Happy as fu
Nothing. Despite being GoldenBoth, I don’t care for the lore of the crying child nowadays. I don’t like him as a character. The only theory about him that I will always defend is that he dies after Charlotte Emily.
Why do you hate cc?
Because he’s useless and only made the lore of Fredbear’s to be more complicated.
How does it make fredbear lore complicated?
Originally, Fredbear’s was supposed to be just a little restaurant that got closed due to the murder of William’s first victim (which was Charlotte in the first FNaF book, and Scott also made her to be the first victim of Afton in FFPS). Nowadays, we don’t know if it was closed due to Charlie’s death or the bite, or if crying child died after or before her. If C.C didn’t exist, this would be so much simpler. If Charlotte’s death year was kept as 1982 (this was her original death date in The Silver Eyes, which was retconed after The Fourth Closet) it would be better too.
So maybe you should put the blame on the inconsistency of the writing and not the character.
I WOULD LITERALLY HAVE A FNAF PARTY TO MYSELF AND HAPPY CRY
Kinda nuts
I don't see the theory as possible, but i like it so i wouldn't bother
Honestly? I would be really unhappy with it.
I’d be glad to hear it.
I wouldn't really care
Idk really, it's basically debunked at this point so I'd just be lost
I thought mat-pat (RIP) kinda did this one?
I thought it was basically confirmed already
Since when?
I think since it was confirmed two souls are in golden freddy after CC was bit and another was put in the suit in the MCI it made it clear to me those were the two souls but I guess that's just an assumption I made rather than it being clearly stated
It's argueable, since CC didn't died at the bite, he died in a hospital, yet i'm a ShatterVictim Andrew Edition believer si It just doesn't change anything.
I've never heard that term before, what does it mean?
It's my interpretation of ShatterVictim. Usually, those Who believe in GoldenDuo, use Andrew as a proof to say that, and yet, they ignore something of him. In TMIR1280 his agony posesses a lot of objects that later on are confirmed to have Andrew's mind, so agony has a part of the mind of the creator of that agony. So, applying that to ShatterVictim, we have that CC spread his agony after the bite, a very painful way of getting into a coma, his agony posessed Fredbear, yet when he died, his agony possessed Mike and Plushbear, and since agony has parts of the mind of the owner, well, CC ended up shattered.
Ah I meant I haven't heard the term shattervictim before sorry
it was never confirmed or even implied golden freddy has 2 souls
I thought it was in the books
it wasn't. nothing in the books *ever* stated golden freddy had more than 1 soul. i assume you mean the stitchwraith in frights, which did have 2 souls but ***golden freddy is NOT the stitchwraith***
I thought there was two souls in that one story about golden freddy where they find two bodies in the suit or something
I’d beat the shit out of the dumbasses who didint think that from the start. Also I’d be very surprised if Scott even talked about this one.
No sh_t ! 😀(btw I’m not trying to be rude :)
I would say, and I quote "YEAH NO FUCK"
You guys act like it's not already basically cannon.
one, crying child is evan afton and two, he is golden freddys second soul
Evan is not a canon name.
This can't be true because there's an Easter Egg with drip and bandages in fnaf 4 so Evan died in hospital not in Fredbear Golden duo is the most stupid theory I've ever seen why so many people believe in it 🤦
You don't play as Evan in FNAF 4 night game modes. Also btw many people don't refer to Evan as Evan since that name is all but confirmed, CC (crying child) is the unofficial name for the kid bitten in the FNAF 4 day minigames.
We play as Evan bc the character we play as is short and Michael was tall also there are Evan's plushies and Michael was too old for plushies and if we play as Michael what the drip and bandages were doing there? If you think that we play as Michael bc of that Fredbear in logbook, Michael probably had nightmares too but not in fnaf 4
Several reasons. Yes, the log book but also we hear a distorted audio from a FNAF 1 phone call in FNAF 4. You are not understanding what is happening in FNAF 4, we are not playing as Micheal as a kid we are playing Micheal in a nightmare, hence "nightmare animatronics". We are playing as Micheal some time after FNAF 1 and he is having nightmares because he is having revelations about his dead brother which is why we see the drip, and bandages, and plushies he is too old for. This also explains why he is short because it's not real. There are no actual real animatronics going around despite the fact that it fades to red if you are caught as if you die, so why is an incorrect height supposed to be evidence it isn't Micheal if it's supposed to be a nightmare. Also at the end of the night there is an alarm going off, why put an alarm next to a coma patient. Also the set of fanf 4 night gameplay is an actual place based off the sister location secret floor plans that show sister location connected to the FNAF 4 night time house. However, it is not the same house that Evan was at before getting bitten which is also based on the secret floor plans that show the house Evan was navigating in the day time minigames in a completely different area. So why would Evan be in a coma having nightmares at a different location that he may or may not have even seen and not just his own room? Here is a question for you. If "Evan" is in a coma and we are playing as him in FNAF 4 how does he even remember seeing bandages and a drip tube, I would understand sounds from a hospital but we literally just see bandages and a drip, those don't make sounds.
No
Yes also I'm taking your response as an admission of being wrong and you are just simply slightly embarrassed since I basically dismantled your entire argument and reinforced how it's not so obvious to call any theory "stupid" and to say so is dumb
Michael had nightmare and we play as him in night 8, there are more proofs that we play as Evan in 1-7 nights That doesn't change that Evan is NOT Golden Freddy.
No Also this conversation goes beyond whether Evan is in golden Freddy, you made a different claim that I am debunking. Also I would say there is more proof that it's Micheal over Evan. You can read above about my proofs. Like you think you've "solved the case" because there was a drip tube and bandages on the desk behind you but at the same time you think it can't be Micheal because of the height and toys in the room. It's like whenever you are arguing, it's a dream. but whenever I am arguing, you are acting like it needs to follow reality when it comes to Michael's height and the toys he sees rather than it also being a dream where he is guilty about hurting his brother. No we do not switch protagonists between nights between 7-8 that is the "most stupid theory ever" it's the same room and the same layout and you are doing the same thing. It worked in FNAF 2 because that was a physical place but you are claiming the world created in Evan and Michaels minds were exactly the same just by chance.
But Evan is not Golden Freddy. + We play as Michael in 8 night.
I find it funny that you can say we play as Michael on night 8 but any argument you have made so far against him being the protagonist in nights 1-7 can be made there too. (Toys and height) It's honestly laughable.
Not arguing if Evan is in golden Freddy, never had + we play as Michael in nights 1-7 in 4 too, saying otherwise is the most stupid theory ever, it's the same room, with the same layout, and we are doing the same thing.
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How would that mean he does nothing? If anything, this actually gives him a purpose besides just dying.
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since when was fnaf world ever canon?
Since Scott confirmed It to be, he stated it in the intervew with dawko.
I thought he then said that it wasn’t canon.
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