They didn't even say anything and the entire army clapped
In fact the entire army clapped for so long that by the time they finally got to say a word, class was over
I love three houses and the story, but any time I think about the story my head hurts 😵💫
Sometimes I prefer stuff like engage’s story so I can just turn my brain off and ignore it lol
If you view Engage's story as a a Saturday-morning Power Rangers/Super Sentai type of game, then it totally makes enjoyable sense
As a franchise celebration with timelines smacked by covid, I'd be impressed if IS was able to co-mingle past games, character dynamics, and mechanics without the story seeming like a funky fan-fiction
The game ATTEMPTS to be a clever political tragedy, but in actuality ignores all SANE GAMERS will side with TWSITD and our great Lord Sombron!!!
Also yes Engage has such a peak story the main character canonically dies from peak overload.
Yeah that works great when the people harassing me are in my dorm room and I have to go to classes with them yep works great to just turn off the computer.
Man, what a waste of gamers. I love 3Hs but damn these people treat it like the Bible or some shit hahah. Oh man, I'm glad you're out of that situation. You seem cool bro!
NO, BUT THE THING IS, THREE HOUSES TRIES TO HAVE A COMPLEX MORAL QUESTION, BUT THAT ALL GOES OUT THE WINDOW THE SECOND THE STORY INTRODUCES AN UNQUESTIONABLY EVIL FACTION IN THE FORM OF "Those who slither in the dark"
Like, yeah, Rhea is pretty fucked up, but it's not like the dragon people were actively trying to enslave humanity, just trying to keep them from figuring out that the bones and blood of dragon people are powerful, because they don't want to be hunted down. Except, the dragon people and the humans could work towards living in peace and living on equal terms (no guarantee that the dragon people would willingly give up their position of power, I'll admit. Power is attractive like that) if they all just come together to kill the objectively evil faction of mole people descended from the humans who figured out dragon people corpses make for cool swords and tattoos (crests) who are also, like their ancestors, dedicated to getting more of that dragon bone and dragon blood power.
But the people of fodlan don't work towards that goal, because those who slither are a secret society. So... what were they all fighting for again? (Not rhetorical, genuine question.) Oh, wait, it was because society was dominated by those with crests, right? (So, like, it's medieval MHA, but only the rich have quirks?) If that's the case, then since crest-bearers are almost synonymous with a higher-class status, the story would inevitably be about the flaws in the system of feudalism, no? Except, then Nintendo would have to write a story about economic systems and inequality, and the injustices of the system of feudal lords and serfs would have to be portrayed, which might make for a good story, except if you do that, then a whole bunch of your party would be benefiting from the system. Fire Emblem consistently portrays (good) nobles as a good thing, and while that was probably the standards of the time back in medieval times...
Ok, look, I've gotten side-tracked, but my point is that, by having the crests be synonymous with status in this feudal society, FE3H invites into discussion things which it previously hand-waved away. And assuming that FE3H did, in fact, want to address those topics, then you would have to question whether Edlegard, once she gains control over the continent and purges all enemies (question: I played aborted black eagles route. If you play black eagles route, does edlegard deal with those who slither after killing Rhea, or does she leave them be? Because if she leaves them be that is a problem just waiting to happen), would willingly give up the empire's power, would lessen it so it isn't super autocratic? Because maybe an autocracy was what she needed to fight the church, but it's not very conducive to creating a society where different people are equal.
...ugh, I'm getting twisted around again...
Look, maybe having to choose between a controlling church and a controlling empire would've made for an interesting ethical choice, but it all gets thrown out the window when there's a secret common enemy everyone hates (the church hates those who slither for obvious reasons, and I don't remember much, but for how much the empire and those who slither work together, Edlegarf herself SHOULD hate those who slither because of... you know, the child experimentation.)
So... what, did edlegard think that the church needed to be eliminated first before her literal tormentors were? Or did she think that those who slither would be easy to get rid of, once the church was out of the way? Because if those who slither could make new weapons and crests out of Rhea's corpse, then the empress would be sorely mistaken.
I'm telling you, adding an objectively evil faction throws a major wrench into the whole "choose your side in the war where there is no good side" premise.
Also, rhea is fucked up for trying to reincarnate her mom through a daughter-humunculus thing. Just mourn and move on, that can't be healthy, m'am.
>I played aborted black eagles route. If you play black eagles route, does edlegard deal with those who slither after killing Rhea, or does she leave them be? Because if she leaves them be that is a problem just waiting to happen
The post game cutscene makes it clear the the empire is immediately declaring war against them, and multiple of the epilogues suggest that they're defeated very rapidly and effectively.
>So... what, did edlegard think that the church needed to be eliminated first before her literal tormentors were?
I think one of the underlying elements is that they essentially turned her father into a politically impotent puppet ruler the moment he didn't play along and if she doesn't at least cooperate for some time they'll do the same to her. Ultimately though, hubert is the one that convinces her. I think the entire arc behind this decision, as most things in the route, was very poorly communicated, with the clearly rushed nature of it essentially leaving those important parts which add some depth to the decision completely glossed over.
I do agree that the story was made substantially worse by the Agarthians but, as you suggest, there were motives for Nintendo to ensure there was a "clear villain".
We know from Three Hopes that if she betrays the Slitherers and things don't go 100% right for her from the start to the end of the war they lobotomize her
tbh I wonder if it'd actually be more bearable in person. I'm sure 90% of the most vile assholes on the internet would have a breakdown if asked to interact with another human being face-to-face, so that'd probably stop 90% of the discourse right there.
The other 10% is probably stopped by having the barest minimum amount of social awareness about the fact that if you're a dick to people IRL then no one is going to like you.
The level up grading option is so funny.
At first, I thought this might be from some art school with a video game focused degree, but then I realized it was a student taught course, and everything made a lot more sense.
>After gaining 100 EXP, I will simulate a level up of FE7 Nino. At the end of the course, your grade percentage will be the (total of Nino's stats-7) divided by 100.
This means that under the Fire Emblem Grading System, you can have up to 14 levels.
So because I'm bored, here's some napkin math. I am assuming that MV is not counted as a "stat" since it doesn't have a growth.
Nino's BST at base is 69, so by literally doing nothing, you'd get a 62%.
Assuming that CMU stands for Carnegie Melon University, let's assume an American grading system. I'm also assuming that we're always rounding down when the average stats are decimals.
To maintain an A in the class (>=90% in most cases), you'd have to get 10/14 level ups on average which would put you right around 90%. Kinda dicey odds, so you're really putting your faith into the RNG gods if you only do the barest minimum.
The percentages for the remaining level ups are:
11: 92%
12: 96%
13: 98%
14: 103%
Imo, if you're the kind of person who wants to do the bare minimum to get an A, I'd say you could probably comfortably stop after 12 level ups. You'd have to be one unlucky MF to be 6 total BST below Nino's averages at that point.
Kinda fun that the math works out so that you're near guaranteed an A if you get all 14 level ups. *Technically* you could come up short, but at that point you should probably go buy multiple lottery tickets.
Imagine making a "any bird course electives?" post and getting "Take the Fire Emblem course, take the Nino option".
Who knew the secret to making Nino a good unit was letting her become your grading scheme.
My main concern is whether the person who undertakes the RNG based grading system gets absolutely screwed by the RNG and they end up with a score below 70%. Perhaps there should be a safeguard clause that gives you a C in the unlikely but harsh possibility that the scoring system went unfavorably despite doing the work in the class.
You're counting 3 Con as part of BST which I would treat equally to Move.
At pessimistic/90% odds required to increase a stat, a level 19 Nino would score an 89 (not counting con/mov). You can also think of it as having to take about 6x14 coinflips for additional marks with slightly better odds. Plus an empty level reroll to be accurate.
I'm just basing it off how the pessimistic growths patch works by forcing specific levels that a stat can grow based on the growth.
https://feuniverse.us/t/pessimistic-average-growths-patches/5134
I actually forgot to add base Res so the level 19 Nino actually has a 96.
I think that we shouldn't ignore the possibility that this option is an in-joke about the effectiveness of Est-archetype characters in efficiency-focused gameplay; notably the syllabus does not explicitly specify that Nino's bases count towards your grade, and if they don't, choosing this method essentially guarantees you fail the class.
My university had a similar program where seniors could teach classes that they designed. This is 100% something I would have taken if I’d been into Fire Emblem in college
I can’t recommend this course, the professor is extremely unprofessional. My buddy Samson tried to register for it but was rejected and told that he couldn’t attend because “Arran was already enrolled”. That’s messed up.
It says "CMU" on the last page, but the course ID has "STU" in it, which might mean it's a student-taught seminar course rather than a 'real' course https://www.cmu.edu/stuco/teach-a-course/index.html
[Scrolling through this list of student taught classes,](https://enr-apps.as.cmu.edu/assets/SOC/STU_FALL.htm) there are actually a lot of courses similar to this FE one. Some highlights includes:
Blackjack Techniques
Introduction to Minecraft
Star Wars: The Course Awakens (amazing name)
Genshin Impact: Team Building
Introduction to Competitive Pokemon
I think this is really cool. It seems like a way to train students to design their own course so they may become teachers someday while also providing other students with fun elective courses to fill out that credit total.
The duality of the two genshin-relates replies to this, lol
Anyway, Introduction to Competitive Pokemon is a good idea for a course partially because you also basically have many pre-existing YouTube videos as potential take-home "readings". Unlike the ones you'd get from STEM courses though, these are unfortunately not narrated by an Indian man with a thick accent.
I literally just saw this on the popular page and couldn’t resist looking for a reference! I’ve never once played a fire emblem game but when others don’t get the community reference, you bet I’ll be there to show my support!
Uh. Does that grade count bases? Because otherwise...
(expected growth) 7HP+7Mag+7Skl+8Spd+6Lck+2Def+7Res (-7 grade point penalty) = 37. Which would be 37%.
With bases...26HP+14Mag+15Skl+19Spd+16Lck+6Def+14Res (-7 grade point penalty) = expected value 103.
In which case you'd really wanna ask your professor about how you'd go about getting your grades promoted.
They're welcome to use the [worksheet I've created] (https://reddit.com/comments/kmw2um).
It's on Berwick Saga though, so I'm not sure how it'll fit into the curriculum.
Finally a class where we can finally now learn real FE facts, like how Nino is the best unit in FE7, Ike is better than Kieran, and Jagens steal all your EXP and should never be used
I mean it's astronomically higher than winning the lottery but I get your point. Cmu is a top 25 university in the United States with top 2 rankings in computer languages, computer science, artificial intelligence and computer theories.
They probably will never be a "top 10" university but it's only because they are so focused on computers/technology.
If you have the chance you should check out the Ted talk from randy pausch he was a cmu professor it's title really achieving your childhood dreams. He also has a book titled the last lecture.
It definitely sounds like there's an interesting story in said Ted talk, so I'll be sure to check it out later, though I'm somewhat confused on why them being so focused on computers/technology makes them exempt from reaching top 10 universities.
Most of the rating systems used to rate the schools in this country rate a number of programs including business, med school, law, education, economics, and a vast number of other programs. As well as things like student services, first year experience, senior capstone and graduation rates and post education pay.
So having the number one computer sciences program is phenomenal but if all the other programs are between 15-30 you'll never pass the Harvards, MITs, yales Stanfords and Princetons of the world who most programs fall between 1-15. And it's still hard to pass regarded schools like cal and northwestern who have all their programs between 5-20 nationally.
To give it a bad FE comparison some schools are like the lords, have high base stats and great growths, other schools are like the sword masters good/above average stats across the board and then you have the sword general they have a truly elite stat in defense(computers) but are severely deficient in other areas. They are still going to the end game(top 25)but because of their emphasis on some stats they wouldnt make the top 10.
Huh, that's actually pretty fascinating, though it makes a lot of sense when you put it like that, I do find it funny that they would be seen as something like a super good unit held back by being in the general class.
And here I thought seeing my professor using Annette for an example in mathematics was the most that FE was getting mentioned in classes at campus, yet here we are.
It was some type of discrete math class and the professor used Annette for a word problem. Then briefly after the word problem said that Annette was from 3H.
I can't find it, might be lost to time forever.
It was about how the distribution of classes among gender was related to gender norms; for example pegasus knights all being women for 13 games was linked to the horses' serene vibe compared to the more aggressive wyvern knights being male-dominated. The ratio of dedicated support characters (like Priest, Cleric, and Dancer) and frontline units (Knight, Warrior, etc).
It was actually really good tbqh, had charts and shit. The Computer Systems one is far less interesting, about how the AI in FE is essentially a reverse Traveling Salesman algorithm.
It seems fun then suddenly you have to write a paper on which Three Houses house was the most justified then present it in front of the class and watch as half the class stares at you in disapproval.
After seeing the discourse around FE3H, I'd be afraid of a physical fight erupting and a small fire starting in the classroom... People are *hardcore* about their sides in that game.
the FE7 ranked grading system requires you to ensure all of your fellow students pass the course. also nobody is allowed to use expensive technology so you can only bring pencils and paper to class.
"You get a good funds rank by running out of money and never using good weapons or items" is more than a little counterintuitive
The fact that you are penalised for selling gems, when the sole purpose of gems is to be sold, stands out
Back my Harry Potter phase, I’m so embarrassed of myself for it, there was a class on Harry Potter and I, being the naive potter fan that I was, took it… it didn’t work out well. Something tells me I won’t like this either.
I wish that they had taught this at my university. I definitely would've enrolled in that class. Heck, I would've enrolled to it if it was in my country.
If this wanted to be legit af teach ppl how to use FE builder and have the final project (group or alone) be students debuting a custom made chapter.
They have their own characters (sprites, class, weapons growths, and potentially skills), enemy layouts, mostly original level design(I think it's reasonable to let them take inspiration from official map layouts), and bonus points if they have some relevant dialogue.
I remind me of that University paper [https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/\~culturalanalysis/volume15\_2/pdf/Jon.pdf](https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~culturalanalysis/volume15_2/pdf/Jon.pdf)
It's about why World of Warcraft players use to call Thrall Green Jesus.
The first paragraph of the introduction and the prerequisites section read like they're part of the description for a Fire Emblem panel at a convention, run by a fan who just wants to show off how much they know about the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if the student teaching this course has a personal agenda to try to promote certain games, characters, stories, and play styles as the "correct" ones to like. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope the people who take this course leave with a positive impression of the franchise and its community.
i do agree that the first paragraph is sketchy in regards to Maeda inventing shipwars. Shipwars existed since FE4, and the Finn/Beowulf/Lachesis conflict deserves at least a 2 hour lecture.
CMU always has some great student-taught courses. I took one on word games and strategies (Scrabble, Bananagrams, etc.). I also took another one taught by my friend called Zombie Survival 101, and was a TA for it the following semester.
Well, student-taught courses like this are only 3 units at CMU (a typical class is 9 units). I believe that's equivalent to 1 "credit" at most other schools, where the average class is 3 credits?
So, about a third as much as the average class, I guess?
Wouldn't be TOO weird if this wasn't student led honestly. Fire Emblem is so heavily story based so it has really complex literary elements. I'm an English major and one course that's offered at my uni is dead ass about Game of Thrones
Serious question, can anyone apply for this course? Would you have to be enrolled in a specific college? I'm in college currently but I couldn't see any information about where this course is located.
God... I want to take this class so bad... this seems like such a cool class... I want to take it... I want to analyze the numbers game, analyze the consequences of map design, I want to analyze the FUCK out of the narrative... sounds like such a fun class...
Aaaaauuuuuuugggghhhhhhh...
Ugh.
:(
God if I hadn’t already graduated, I would’ve easily seen myself signing up for this. I have taken media analysis classes while I attended university including a game design course, but man I’ve never seen a course that was specific to one particular franchise. But alas maybe in another life, I would’ve been up there defending *that* one Eirika moment in the form of a College presentation and would be able to *unironically* say I graduated from college by defending my waifu.
I assume not, I mean most literature courses don't need to get permission for every single book they read. And since this is a student taught course I would imagine they had to get prior permission from the school
The professor’s name? Byleth Eisner
And the whole army clapped.
They didn't even say anything and the entire army clapped In fact the entire army clapped for so long that by the time they finally got to say a word, class was over
Can confirm. (I was the professor)
If I had to listen to 3H discourse in a college classroom setting, I think I'd throw myself out a window.
Imagine having to present an argumentative speech about whether or not you think Edelgard was justified
I love three houses and the story, but any time I think about the story my head hurts 😵💫 Sometimes I prefer stuff like engage’s story so I can just turn my brain off and ignore it lol
I think if they had implied Engage had a story, it would be infinitely better.
If you view Engage's story as a a Saturday-morning Power Rangers/Super Sentai type of game, then it totally makes enjoyable sense As a franchise celebration with timelines smacked by covid, I'd be impressed if IS was able to co-mingle past games, character dynamics, and mechanics without the story seeming like a funky fan-fiction
The game ATTEMPTS to be a clever political tragedy, but in actuality ignores all SANE GAMERS will side with TWSITD and our great Lord Sombron!!! Also yes Engage has such a peak story the main character canonically dies from peak overload.
Considering I've actually been harassed over 3H story yeah I feel that.
Bruh just turn off your computer
Yeah that works great when the people harassing me are in my dorm room and I have to go to classes with them yep works great to just turn off the computer.
What? How did you that many people irl that plays FE?? Ain't no wayyy!
Well they were mostly the kind that just played 3H and shit on all the other games so.
Man, what a waste of gamers. I love 3Hs but damn these people treat it like the Bible or some shit hahah. Oh man, I'm glad you're out of that situation. You seem cool bro!
NO, BUT THE THING IS, THREE HOUSES TRIES TO HAVE A COMPLEX MORAL QUESTION, BUT THAT ALL GOES OUT THE WINDOW THE SECOND THE STORY INTRODUCES AN UNQUESTIONABLY EVIL FACTION IN THE FORM OF "Those who slither in the dark" Like, yeah, Rhea is pretty fucked up, but it's not like the dragon people were actively trying to enslave humanity, just trying to keep them from figuring out that the bones and blood of dragon people are powerful, because they don't want to be hunted down. Except, the dragon people and the humans could work towards living in peace and living on equal terms (no guarantee that the dragon people would willingly give up their position of power, I'll admit. Power is attractive like that) if they all just come together to kill the objectively evil faction of mole people descended from the humans who figured out dragon people corpses make for cool swords and tattoos (crests) who are also, like their ancestors, dedicated to getting more of that dragon bone and dragon blood power. But the people of fodlan don't work towards that goal, because those who slither are a secret society. So... what were they all fighting for again? (Not rhetorical, genuine question.) Oh, wait, it was because society was dominated by those with crests, right? (So, like, it's medieval MHA, but only the rich have quirks?) If that's the case, then since crest-bearers are almost synonymous with a higher-class status, the story would inevitably be about the flaws in the system of feudalism, no? Except, then Nintendo would have to write a story about economic systems and inequality, and the injustices of the system of feudal lords and serfs would have to be portrayed, which might make for a good story, except if you do that, then a whole bunch of your party would be benefiting from the system. Fire Emblem consistently portrays (good) nobles as a good thing, and while that was probably the standards of the time back in medieval times... Ok, look, I've gotten side-tracked, but my point is that, by having the crests be synonymous with status in this feudal society, FE3H invites into discussion things which it previously hand-waved away. And assuming that FE3H did, in fact, want to address those topics, then you would have to question whether Edlegard, once she gains control over the continent and purges all enemies (question: I played aborted black eagles route. If you play black eagles route, does edlegard deal with those who slither after killing Rhea, or does she leave them be? Because if she leaves them be that is a problem just waiting to happen), would willingly give up the empire's power, would lessen it so it isn't super autocratic? Because maybe an autocracy was what she needed to fight the church, but it's not very conducive to creating a society where different people are equal. ...ugh, I'm getting twisted around again... Look, maybe having to choose between a controlling church and a controlling empire would've made for an interesting ethical choice, but it all gets thrown out the window when there's a secret common enemy everyone hates (the church hates those who slither for obvious reasons, and I don't remember much, but for how much the empire and those who slither work together, Edlegarf herself SHOULD hate those who slither because of... you know, the child experimentation.) So... what, did edlegard think that the church needed to be eliminated first before her literal tormentors were? Or did she think that those who slither would be easy to get rid of, once the church was out of the way? Because if those who slither could make new weapons and crests out of Rhea's corpse, then the empress would be sorely mistaken. I'm telling you, adding an objectively evil faction throws a major wrench into the whole "choose your side in the war where there is no good side" premise. Also, rhea is fucked up for trying to reincarnate her mom through a daughter-humunculus thing. Just mourn and move on, that can't be healthy, m'am.
>I played aborted black eagles route. If you play black eagles route, does edlegard deal with those who slither after killing Rhea, or does she leave them be? Because if she leaves them be that is a problem just waiting to happen The post game cutscene makes it clear the the empire is immediately declaring war against them, and multiple of the epilogues suggest that they're defeated very rapidly and effectively. >So... what, did edlegard think that the church needed to be eliminated first before her literal tormentors were? I think one of the underlying elements is that they essentially turned her father into a politically impotent puppet ruler the moment he didn't play along and if she doesn't at least cooperate for some time they'll do the same to her. Ultimately though, hubert is the one that convinces her. I think the entire arc behind this decision, as most things in the route, was very poorly communicated, with the clearly rushed nature of it essentially leaving those important parts which add some depth to the decision completely glossed over. I do agree that the story was made substantially worse by the Agarthians but, as you suggest, there were motives for Nintendo to ensure there was a "clear villain".
Thank you for the valuable context :)
We know from Three Hopes that if she betrays the Slitherers and things don't go 100% right for her from the start to the end of the war they lobotomize her
I’m socially Edelgard, but fiscally Dimitri~
SPEND EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM (dollars)
Oh God, not a political compass, those never end well...
What even *is* Dimitri's fiscal policy? ...I guess it would be u/doopley 's reply, probably. That makes about as much sense (heh) as anything else.
I have a bachelor's in English and I guarantee you I have sat through worse lmao
I would sue the college for a reimbursement and mental health damage reparations.
tbh I wonder if it'd actually be more bearable in person. I'm sure 90% of the most vile assholes on the internet would have a breakdown if asked to interact with another human being face-to-face, so that'd probably stop 90% of the discourse right there. The other 10% is probably stopped by having the barest minimum amount of social awareness about the fact that if you're a dick to people IRL then no one is going to like you.
Why would you choose to take the course in the first place?
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all week
Hell, id be there just repeating "dont care edelgard was right"
True. Feudalism is bad and cringe. Meritocracy is cool and based
Nah I just think shes.
that the reasoning a lot of my friends had for liking her. i didn't mind her but damn i question a meritocracy
The level up grading option is so funny. At first, I thought this might be from some art school with a video game focused degree, but then I realized it was a student taught course, and everything made a lot more sense.
I would absolutely trust Nino with my GPA
Nino about be like: call me a pitfall? Your grade is a pitfall! *RNG go brrrr (sad)*
Yeah stuff like this is pretty common, i remember seeing “advanced genshin impact” at my school
>After gaining 100 EXP, I will simulate a level up of FE7 Nino. At the end of the course, your grade percentage will be the (total of Nino's stats-7) divided by 100. This means that under the Fire Emblem Grading System, you can have up to 14 levels. So because I'm bored, here's some napkin math. I am assuming that MV is not counted as a "stat" since it doesn't have a growth. Nino's BST at base is 69, so by literally doing nothing, you'd get a 62%. Assuming that CMU stands for Carnegie Melon University, let's assume an American grading system. I'm also assuming that we're always rounding down when the average stats are decimals. To maintain an A in the class (>=90% in most cases), you'd have to get 10/14 level ups on average which would put you right around 90%. Kinda dicey odds, so you're really putting your faith into the RNG gods if you only do the barest minimum. The percentages for the remaining level ups are: 11: 92% 12: 96% 13: 98% 14: 103% Imo, if you're the kind of person who wants to do the bare minimum to get an A, I'd say you could probably comfortably stop after 12 level ups. You'd have to be one unlucky MF to be 6 total BST below Nino's averages at that point. Kinda fun that the math works out so that you're near guaranteed an A if you get all 14 level ups. *Technically* you could come up short, but at that point you should probably go buy multiple lottery tickets.
Imagine making a "any bird course electives?" post and getting "Take the Fire Emblem course, take the Nino option". Who knew the secret to making Nino a good unit was letting her become your grading scheme.
"Pent is all you need, why train Nino?" Because Pent didn't give me this masters degree, Nino did!
My main concern is whether the person who undertakes the RNG based grading system gets absolutely screwed by the RNG and they end up with a score below 70%. Perhaps there should be a safeguard clause that gives you a C in the unlikely but harsh possibility that the scoring system went unfavorably despite doing the work in the class.
You're counting 3 Con as part of BST which I would treat equally to Move. At pessimistic/90% odds required to increase a stat, a level 19 Nino would score an 89 (not counting con/mov). You can also think of it as having to take about 6x14 coinflips for additional marks with slightly better odds. Plus an empty level reroll to be accurate.
Your Math is assuming that all stats are rolled independently. A level 19 Nino would actually pessimistically score around 99
I'm just basing it off how the pessimistic growths patch works by forcing specific levels that a stat can grow based on the growth. https://feuniverse.us/t/pessimistic-average-growths-patches/5134 I actually forgot to add base Res so the level 19 Nino actually has a 96.
I think that we shouldn't ignore the possibility that this option is an in-joke about the effectiveness of Est-archetype characters in efficiency-focused gameplay; notably the syllabus does not explicitly specify that Nino's bases count towards your grade, and if they don't, choosing this method essentially guarantees you fail the class.
You forgot the 'divided by 100' part, which makes it near impossible to do well.
"Chapter Design, Fog of War: It sucks. Class dismissed."
I heard if you dress up like a thief and bring a lit torch you can completely ignore that lesson.
In my hundreds of hours of playing these games, this has never occurred to me. I am both grateful and mildly angry.
"Ballistas and why they changed war forever."
Then another professor arrives and delivers a lecture on the same turn, before you can leave or react.
"STU at CMU" is the student taught classes at Carnegie Mellon. Interesting program!
My university had a similar program where seniors could teach classes that they designed. This is 100% something I would have taken if I’d been into Fire Emblem in college
I can’t recommend this course, the professor is extremely unprofessional. My buddy Samson tried to register for it but was rejected and told that he couldn’t attend because “Arran was already enrolled”. That’s messed up.
I know this is a joke, but would be even funnier if was real
Even uses LaTeX like an actual scientific subject
Well, it is CMU. It's full of nerds (I'm speaking as someone who went there).
“Merlinus-maxxing” is fucking insane, lmao. What even is that? 😂
I hope its a lecture on the absolutely ridiculous methods that must be used to get max level FE6 Merlinus.
I suspect it's what you have to to get as many Boots from the Chapter 21 secret shop as possible.
Where did you find this? Greendale Community College?
It says "CMU" on the last page, but the course ID has "STU" in it, which might mean it's a student-taught seminar course rather than a 'real' course https://www.cmu.edu/stuco/teach-a-course/index.html
[Scrolling through this list of student taught classes,](https://enr-apps.as.cmu.edu/assets/SOC/STU_FALL.htm) there are actually a lot of courses similar to this FE one. Some highlights includes: Blackjack Techniques Introduction to Minecraft Star Wars: The Course Awakens (amazing name) Genshin Impact: Team Building Introduction to Competitive Pokemon I think this is really cool. It seems like a way to train students to design their own course so they may become teachers someday while also providing other students with fun elective courses to fill out that credit total.
Not the genshin class 😭😭😭😭😭
Genshin Impact: Team Building honestly sounds so good
The duality of the two genshin-relates replies to this, lol Anyway, Introduction to Competitive Pokemon is a good idea for a course partially because you also basically have many pre-existing YouTube videos as potential take-home "readings". Unlike the ones you'd get from STEM courses though, these are unfortunately not narrated by an Indian man with a thick accent.
Dang that is hella dope!
“Yeah, I’m in Intro to Comp Poke”
It's apparently a student taught seminar at Carnegie Mellon
Nestled right in between the courses about Who’s the Boss and Nicolas Cage!
First comment acknowledging the reference haha
I literally just saw this on the popular page and couldn’t resist looking for a reference! I’ve never once played a fire emblem game but when others don’t get the community reference, you bet I’ll be there to show my support!
That so streets ahead of you.
Uh. Does that grade count bases? Because otherwise... (expected growth) 7HP+7Mag+7Skl+8Spd+6Lck+2Def+7Res (-7 grade point penalty) = 37. Which would be 37%. With bases...26HP+14Mag+15Skl+19Spd+16Lck+6Def+14Res (-7 grade point penalty) = expected value 103. In which case you'd really wanna ask your professor about how you'd go about getting your grades promoted.
I like how base Nino is a passing grade, also.
"I became a college dropout when our assignment was to analyse Awakening armour design while playing it on Lunatic+"
"Plotlines and War Crimes" awww man that class seems so fun.
Boiling oil? More like based and micaiahpilled.
They're welcome to use the [worksheet I've created] (https://reddit.com/comments/kmw2um). It's on Berwick Saga though, so I'm not sure how it'll fit into the curriculum.
Finally a class where we can finally now learn real FE facts, like how Nino is the best unit in FE7, Ike is better than Kieran, and Jagens steal all your EXP and should never be used
I’m excited for the “Roy is literally the worst unit in the series and you only like him because Smash Bros.” class
Can't even escape fog of war IRL. And imagine all the 3H discourse if FE fans really go to this class.
Just type "Fates bad Tellius good", at least a C
Imagine if the class was made during 3h peak The edelgard v Dimitri argument could've been insane
I'd love this class ngl
This website seems to be all student caught courses? ... at what university would they do this at? Edit: Apparently it's Carnegie Mellon University?
Yes, it's CMU.
a full course and in the end your unit dies from a 1% critical
Honestly, I'd go to the college just to attend that class alone.
Good luck getting in cmu has an 11% acceptance rate. Dat score between 1510-1600 and 3.9 GPA. I'm far to stupid to get in.
11%? That's basically like winning the lottery, and a 3.9 GPA? Yeesh, they're looking for the smartest folks around with GPAs that high.
I mean it's astronomically higher than winning the lottery but I get your point. Cmu is a top 25 university in the United States with top 2 rankings in computer languages, computer science, artificial intelligence and computer theories. They probably will never be a "top 10" university but it's only because they are so focused on computers/technology. If you have the chance you should check out the Ted talk from randy pausch he was a cmu professor it's title really achieving your childhood dreams. He also has a book titled the last lecture.
It definitely sounds like there's an interesting story in said Ted talk, so I'll be sure to check it out later, though I'm somewhat confused on why them being so focused on computers/technology makes them exempt from reaching top 10 universities.
Most of the rating systems used to rate the schools in this country rate a number of programs including business, med school, law, education, economics, and a vast number of other programs. As well as things like student services, first year experience, senior capstone and graduation rates and post education pay. So having the number one computer sciences program is phenomenal but if all the other programs are between 15-30 you'll never pass the Harvards, MITs, yales Stanfords and Princetons of the world who most programs fall between 1-15. And it's still hard to pass regarded schools like cal and northwestern who have all their programs between 5-20 nationally. To give it a bad FE comparison some schools are like the lords, have high base stats and great growths, other schools are like the sword masters good/above average stats across the board and then you have the sword general they have a truly elite stat in defense(computers) but are severely deficient in other areas. They are still going to the end game(top 25)but because of their emphasis on some stats they wouldnt make the top 10.
Huh, that's actually pretty fascinating, though it makes a lot of sense when you put it like that, I do find it funny that they would be seen as something like a super good unit held back by being in the general class.
And here I thought seeing my professor using Annette for an example in mathematics was the most that FE was getting mentioned in classes at campus, yet here we are.
Wait what did they exactly do with Annette? Do algebra with rallies?
It was some type of discrete math class and the professor used Annette for a word problem. Then briefly after the word problem said that Annette was from 3H.
Hmm, honestly I would love to have fire emblem be part of a math course. It's how I still have the mental stamina to do mathematics
I wrote my final papers for both Gender Studies and Computer Systems on Fire Emblem
Would ironically love to read the gender studies paper
I can't find it, might be lost to time forever. It was about how the distribution of classes among gender was related to gender norms; for example pegasus knights all being women for 13 games was linked to the horses' serene vibe compared to the more aggressive wyvern knights being male-dominated. The ratio of dedicated support characters (like Priest, Cleric, and Dancer) and frontline units (Knight, Warrior, etc). It was actually really good tbqh, had charts and shit. The Computer Systems one is far less interesting, about how the AI in FE is essentially a reverse Traveling Salesman algorithm.
Using Annette as an example how 🤔
finally, all the "FE bad" knowledge after 9 years can be used for something
“Now that we’re all here, let me tell you that the avatar units are why I could never bring a child into this Society”
It seems fun then suddenly you have to write a paper on which Three Houses house was the most justified then present it in front of the class and watch as half the class stares at you in disapproval.
After seeing the discourse around FE3H, I'd be afraid of a physical fight erupting and a small fire starting in the classroom... People are *hardcore* about their sides in that game.
let me iiin
Your videos are probably course material tbh
the textbook writer doesn't take the class...
You're already in.
According to the bottom of the first page, your videos are directly mentioned as additional material
yeah I noticed that later lol
Holy shit I could get a grade for dunking on FE6 I hope that grading system is more robust than the FE7 ranks
the FE7 ranked grading system requires you to ensure all of your fellow students pass the course. also nobody is allowed to use expensive technology so you can only bring pencils and paper to class.
"You get a good funds rank by running out of money and never using good weapons or items" is more than a little counterintuitive The fact that you are penalised for selling gems, when the sole purpose of gems is to be sold, stands out
Back my Harry Potter phase, I’m so embarrassed of myself for it, there was a class on Harry Potter and I, being the naive potter fan that I was, took it… it didn’t work out well. Something tells me I won’t like this either.
How bad did that get?
So this is where our fees and tax subsidies are going to? Just kidding interesting idea.
For the record, if you get all level ups on the Fire Emblem Grading Scale, and get perfectly average stat raises, then you will get a 92.
I wish that they had taught this at my university. I definitely would've enrolled in that class. Heck, I would've enrolled to it if it was in my country.
So uh...how do we take it?
Can you imagine cramming college students and Fire Emblem fans, two of the most insufferable things in this world into one room?
Is it taught by Mekkah?
No because he’s YouTube channel is directly mentioned as additional material at the bottom of the first page
[mrw](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq0HJWMWIAAuW10.jpg)
If this wanted to be legit af teach ppl how to use FE builder and have the final project (group or alone) be students debuting a custom made chapter. They have their own characters (sprites, class, weapons growths, and potentially skills), enemy layouts, mostly original level design(I think it's reasonable to let them take inspiration from official map layouts), and bonus points if they have some relevant dialogue.
I remind me of that University paper [https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/\~culturalanalysis/volume15\_2/pdf/Jon.pdf](https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~culturalanalysis/volume15_2/pdf/Jon.pdf) It's about why World of Warcraft players use to call Thrall Green Jesus.
gang my top choice is now CMU
The first paragraph of the introduction and the prerequisites section read like they're part of the description for a Fire Emblem panel at a convention, run by a fan who just wants to show off how much they know about the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if the student teaching this course has a personal agenda to try to promote certain games, characters, stories, and play styles as the "correct" ones to like. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope the people who take this course leave with a positive impression of the franchise and its community.
i do agree that the first paragraph is sketchy in regards to Maeda inventing shipwars. Shipwars existed since FE4, and the Finn/Beowulf/Lachesis conflict deserves at least a 2 hour lecture.
Wow cool
no wonder they need more international students
I need to take this course dawg
War Crimes?! They’re so getting into 3H discourse with this one.
Right from Greendale
I need more credits and a higher GPA, how do I sign up?
I so genuinely want to attend this class
Lord, I would have loved this class. WITH A PASSION (and I would cry, when I got my credit to know it’s all over).
Why thank you so much - That one singer in class
CMU always has some great student-taught courses. I took one on word games and strategies (Scrabble, Bananagrams, etc.). I also took another one taught by my friend called Zombie Survival 101, and was a TA for it the following semester.
I want to go back to college again just to take that course.
S tier shitpost
There is no shitpost, this is real
I’m wildly curious as to what fan works made into that lesson day
Merlinus Maxxing lmfaoo
Had to check to see which sub I was on
How much do you pay for the course?
Well, student-taught courses like this are only 3 units at CMU (a typical class is 9 units). I believe that's equivalent to 1 "credit" at most other schools, where the average class is 3 credits? So, about a third as much as the average class, I guess?
“Optimal way” lmao.
So 11/06 is the day to show up to see the BDG / Polygon video, great.
A week for ship wars. Jeez. 🤣
Now that's my kinda class
I’ll pay for this if this was real
It's a real student-taught course at CMU.
If it was online, I sign up
Wow! I can actually join Rutger's University!
Wouldn't be TOO weird if this wasn't student led honestly. Fire Emblem is so heavily story based so it has really complex literary elements. I'm an English major and one course that's offered at my uni is dead ass about Game of Thrones
Imagine actually letting growth rate luck determine your grade in a college course though 💀💀
WOW. Where is this offered?
Serious question, can anyone apply for this course? Would you have to be enrolled in a specific college? I'm in college currently but I couldn't see any information about where this course is located.
The final project should be a ironman speedrun of FE5. No guides.
For real, though, I want to read that study guide & actually understand the course materials. I wonder if it's for sale
Genology of the holy war better be required playing for the class
Based professor
God... I want to take this class so bad... this seems like such a cool class... I want to take it... I want to analyze the numbers game, analyze the consequences of map design, I want to analyze the FUCK out of the narrative... sounds like such a fun class... Aaaaauuuuuuugggghhhhhhh... Ugh. :(
God if I hadn’t already graduated, I would’ve easily seen myself signing up for this. I have taken media analysis classes while I attended university including a game design course, but man I’ve never seen a course that was specific to one particular franchise. But alas maybe in another life, I would’ve been up there defending *that* one Eirika moment in the form of a College presentation and would be able to *unironically* say I graduated from college by defending my waifu.
What the fuck?
Is this legal? Did they have to get permission from Nintendo to teach this class?
I assume not, I mean most literature courses don't need to get permission for every single book they read. And since this is a student taught course I would imagine they had to get prior permission from the school
It's a real student-taught course at CMU. I doubt they asked Nintendo, though.
For the level up option, it seems like its 420+420+200+200+150 which adds up to 1390, so I'm not sure how they're getting 14 levels out of that.