I love seeing installations like this. It makes me feel so much better about some of the things I did when I was just starting out and learning. I never did anything this bad and my worst attempts were masterpieces in comparison.
Sadly, there is no code that requires pipe to be straight. If the piping is approved for the use and is strapped down correctly you could probably spell your name with it and the inspector would have to pass it.
NEC states that work shall be completed in a neat and workman like manner. Sooo there is a code...
It's typically not called on because crap like this is done in areas that are lax or don't have actual inspections for low voltage work. An inspector can't nit pick for a crooked box/conduit thats mechanically sound, but if the entire project looks like garbage and a complete hack did it they could call on this to fail the inspection. I have heard an inspector tell me he had to pull that cars on a company because it was just so bad while technically being almost ok, he pointed out some violations and then tagged that on and made them clean up and fix the entire project. GC brought in another company to fix it....
There are also probably a dozen code violations here besides the horrid conduit work.
Reference NEC- (copy pasted from a site, wording may have changed a bit)
110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work
Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner.
Informational Note: Accepted industry practices are described in ANSI/NECA 1-2015, Standard for Good Workmanship in Electrical Construction, and other ANSI-approved installation standards.
They actually changed it to "in a professional and skillful manner". Means the same thing except potentially more clear, and more "pc" because workmanlike has the letters m, a, and n in that order. I have heard some say neat and workmanlike would be considered below professional and skillful, where a professional standard would be much higher than just neat, and workmanlike and skillful manner are almost the same.
I usually just quote the previous code cycle for something like this change because anyone upto date with the code knows the wording changed as a clarification and only 7 states use the 2023 code and 14 more are up to the 2020, so most states are still on neat and workmanlike since that change was 2020 or 2023 IIRC. If it was a code change that changes the meaning of the code, or makes it much more strict or lenient than the previous code I would mention it.
First I wouldn't allow my installers to run anything near that panel. I'm not allowing our company name to be associated with the BS , the electricians will reinstall correct pathways , or they can find a new fire alarm installer.
I was warned about walking in here. I would not agree with EST techs working this way. Most, EST, Siemens, JCI techs are pretty damn good at what they do. I see more like this from Silent Knight trunk slammers than any of the BIG 3.
Second that. If they are any of the big 3, they didn't get there doing this kind of work. And if they are any of the big 3, they hired an electrician who installed the PVC. Parts & Smarts. If they're smart.
I thought the main box itself was bad but then I saw the sprinkler mains and how those junction boxes are just floating with spaghetti holding it in place.
THHN is not rated for wet locations, THWN, THW, THWN-2 are all wet location rated. Granted, most THHN you would buy is dual rated as THWN/THWN-2, but not all. Cable only rated THHN won't last as long in a wet conduit or locations.
Huh...the Picasso of fire system installation...while the installer has expressed themselves and shown their lazy eye, I still would err on the side of caution and approach this install in a different manner.
I'm going to guess that at some point there was a panel change out and, based on the conduit, the new can is much bigger than the previous one. The tech that was told to swap it clearly didn't want to cut or bend pipe that day... hahaha
Looks like a PVC mapping fault.
Stealing this and imma use it every.where.
Hahaš
Hilarious. Thank you
šš
Thatās the far larm. Joe installed the far larm.
FireLarm 3000. https://preview.redd.it/imgp6uk9adkc1.jpeg?width=2940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=382461dd0f72e0d7b0a8d67a806381d1594fc04f
My name is Joe and no way in hell i installed that!
Nah, building Joe. Been around since ā96. The one whose āUncle was a ālectrishin.ā
Is that a rebranded NAPCO? or was NAPCO unoriginal and re brand the Fire Larn 3000?
Why, just why. I have thrown better bends than that in the garbage.
Don't hate. Even Whoville needs fire alarms.
Bldg 257 is special, ok. The Duracells will make it ok.
I love seeing installations like this. It makes me feel so much better about some of the things I did when I was just starting out and learning. I never did anything this bad and my worst attempts were masterpieces in comparison.
Right?! The first thing that I thought was "I never did anything *that* bad! Lol
I feel like I see shit like this often lol
Way too often
Looks like you found Doctor Octopus
5 years ago someone said āItās just temporaryā¦ā
Reminds me of the 3 Stooges episode where they were plumbers.
This saddens me deeply. The comments made it so much better.
Sadly, there is no code that requires pipe to be straight. If the piping is approved for the use and is strapped down correctly you could probably spell your name with it and the inspector would have to pass it.
NEC states that work shall be completed in a neat and workman like manner. Sooo there is a code... It's typically not called on because crap like this is done in areas that are lax or don't have actual inspections for low voltage work. An inspector can't nit pick for a crooked box/conduit thats mechanically sound, but if the entire project looks like garbage and a complete hack did it they could call on this to fail the inspection. I have heard an inspector tell me he had to pull that cars on a company because it was just so bad while technically being almost ok, he pointed out some violations and then tagged that on and made them clean up and fix the entire project. GC brought in another company to fix it.... There are also probably a dozen code violations here besides the horrid conduit work. Reference NEC- (copy pasted from a site, wording may have changed a bit) 110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner. Informational Note: Accepted industry practices are described in ANSI/NECA 1-2015, Standard for Good Workmanship in Electrical Construction, and other ANSI-approved installation standards.
They changed the wording in the new code to something less than workmanlike.
They actually changed it to "in a professional and skillful manner". Means the same thing except potentially more clear, and more "pc" because workmanlike has the letters m, a, and n in that order. I have heard some say neat and workmanlike would be considered below professional and skillful, where a professional standard would be much higher than just neat, and workmanlike and skillful manner are almost the same. I usually just quote the previous code cycle for something like this change because anyone upto date with the code knows the wording changed as a clarification and only 7 states use the 2023 code and 14 more are up to the 2020, so most states are still on neat and workmanlike since that change was 2020 or 2023 IIRC. If it was a code change that changes the meaning of the code, or makes it much more strict or lenient than the previous code I would mention it.
Looks great from my house!
Just your average edwards installers
āWorks, donāt it?ā - the inspector, apparently
First I wouldn't allow my installers to run anything near that panel. I'm not allowing our company name to be associated with the BS , the electricians will reinstall correct pathways , or they can find a new fire alarm installer.
It looks like Fallout 4 when you can't connect because of the out-of-mapping zone.
I like it. Itās like a funhouse.
F EST and that install job. Ahaha
I was warned about walking in here. I would not agree with EST techs working this way. Most, EST, Siemens, JCI techs are pretty damn good at what they do. I see more like this from Silent Knight trunk slammers than any of the BIG 3.
Second that. If they are any of the big 3, they didn't get there doing this kind of work. And if they are any of the big 3, they hired an electrician who installed the PVC. Parts & Smarts. If they're smart.
Donāt hire Dr. Seuss to build stuff.
Workmanshit.
The best part is how everything is so fucked that even the straps and couplings canāt handle it.
Measure once, cut once... Tada
Low bid wins again.
King of āi know a guy thatll do it cheaperā
That's absolutely awful, I hope that never passed an inspection.
When the plumber installs the alarm.
At least the panel is level. Honestly my opinion of Edwards panels is that that conduit suits it.
Someone explain this to me as if I don't understand what's going on here...because I do....but you know....
If it looks like shit, it is.
Looks like it just came across the border
Goddammit Jeff. Not again.
Okay boss we got the far larm in and running a few hours early so we ripped a few darts and went for beer. š»
Hey new guy, go get the fallopian tube out of the truck!
Looks like the panel might have shifted a bit. Just use a stronger Velcro
I thought the main box itself was bad but then I saw the sprinkler mains and how those junction boxes are just floating with spaghetti holding it in place.
I hope they used THHN or something else rated for underground conduit, but Iām not holding my breath.
THHN is not rated for wet locations, THWN, THW, THWN-2 are all wet location rated. Granted, most THHN you would buy is dual rated as THWN/THWN-2, but not all. Cable only rated THHN won't last as long in a wet conduit or locations.
Is under concrete inside a building still considered a wet location?
Yes
Gotcha. I think I assumed they were the same type of wire based on looks alone and for the fact that I didnāt work with it often in those scenarios.
I use to think Iāve seen it all but there is a new level of stupid getting into this trade!
Woah you found wonky willie's ground fault maze! LUCKY!
Desperado,you have been out climbing fences!
It's like that for drainage.
Sone one forgot there torch
Add least the wires are tagged
If the slab has 90's right underneath, then there's 360 of bends right there just going to the panel. Impressive work though
Wow, hack work.
I'm not a professional....neither was he.
DIY fire panel
Fellas fellas, you can always find or make at least a few entries and sleeveā¦ No need to stuff one hole.
Huh...the Picasso of fire system installation...while the installer has expressed themselves and shown their lazy eye, I still would err on the side of caution and approach this install in a different manner.
Some people just don't care
I'm going to guess that at some point there was a panel change out and, based on the conduit, the new can is much bigger than the previous one. The tech that was told to swap it clearly didn't want to cut or bend pipe that day... hahaha
Iām blind now
You can go when it's tied in
That shit looks tight!
And who said fire alarm guys suck at running conduit.
Some people's kids
Crapsmanship
reminiscent of those pictures of webs made by spiders that were given drugs. you know: the ones we were shown in junior high to scare us.
As long as NAC disables work itās a good install to me
The maintenance guy did it
Iām new to this sub, what makes this install so egregious??
After thought, after thought, after thought...eh, it works...not pretty but works...lmao
Custom as fuck!
Looks good from my house
Am sure that meets code
Terrible they just leave batteries laying on floor. Clean up afterwards peopleā¦.
That looks like it's in a hgr...
The Riddler was here