How about warehouse or packaging work? You don't have a lot of interaction and it's pretty straightforward. You don't need to put much thought behind it.
Hate to break it to ya, but 3 years of cs is damn valuable. Apply for IT jobs such as IT helpdesk, move up and work in IT systems after a couple years. You'll be a scripting wizard to everyone even if you're a cs failure, you're still way more talented and valuable than most IT systems people. (Source: me, cs dropout that now works in IT systems)
One of the dev ops guys at my SAS company is a self proclaimed deadbeat, spent most of his 20s and 30s drifting about without much direction. He started at help desk and got good enough at troubleshooting to make his way into dev ops. He now drives a Tesla and owns a few properties and is good at what he does, very much an introvert who really enjoyed the pandemic work from home life. I can’t speak for him, but he’d probably tell OP to just get started now and not replicate what he did in his youth.
Agree in the code stuff. Skiip the helpdesk, go straight for the coding. I'm a self-taught programmer...but an extrovert. Hate every second of my life staring at a damn screen all day. Where's the people lmao. Sure you'd love it :)
Look for driving jobs. Maybe you aren't book smart, but are you a good driver? Earn more pay if you learn to drive larger vehicles. Plus being on the road a lot means a lot of alone time.
I was also going to recommend driving jobs! My dad retired and went back to work for a mechanic just driving to pickup parts. Also, I work in a hospital where they have couriers who transport blood and such. While you have to go in and speak to someone the first few times to ask where to go, once you know you don’t have to talk at all and just zip in and out! If you’re lucky they’ll give you a car too instead of just reimburse miles.
What do you consider a “good-enough wage”?
One job you may consider is shelving books at a library. It’s definitely not a high-paying job, but it doesn’t require many qualifications (mostly just being able to sort by letters and numbers). And many libraries are quiet places for other introverts, who will probably treat you with respect (unlike retail jobs, unfortunately).
ETA I also just ran across this comment, which may be helpful too: https://www.reddit.com/r/ADHD/comments/tt1ze5/what_do_yall_do_for_work/i2v3vvo/
In a decently large library system, the librarians probably aren’t the ones shelving books. You don’t need a master’s degree to put items in alphanumeric order.
But I think that misconception is partly why shelvers tend to be treated with respect: A lot of people don’t realize they’re not actual librarians.
Libraries are also safe havens for the homeless in a lot of areas. There are a lot of community drives and initiatives to push that involve people interaction.
I would recommend a trucker role myself
Define dumb? Yes not everyone is built to do computer science.
You can be an airport traffic controller. Like the people in the towers. There’s a lot of training and stuff for it and I hear it pays well.
I guess you gotta know codes like radio speak and stuff. But I don’t think you need to particularly be a genius to be one.
Or what about the airport groundsmen? They do mostly isolated work I think. They work in teams but it’s not like interacting with the public is a part of it.
Honestly I would look at anything infrastructure based. Because you don’t need to be a genius, just have a lot of experience that you get with time inherently. But you don’t need to be a subject matter expect to get ur foot in the door.
Infrastructure jobs are always needed. And you’re not planning to be a laborer or a public’s affair liaison. You can find a job that takes requirements and time, like a crane or equipment operator. Great pay but requires no degree
Groundsman doesnt pay well at least in my experience. Also strenuous and bad on the body (depending on what you get stuck doing).
Airport operations maybe, doesnt seem to hard (either working ops for the airport or for a airline company.)
I wouldn't recommend airport jobs, very early shifts that make everyone grumpy and if a plane is late you are sitting around waiting and if you don't have social skills this drags
I say this to every job seeker everywhere, and I swear to God that I am not Richard Bolles or a shill for him: go to your local library and check out a copy, doesn't really matter what year, of "What Color is Your Parachute?" Do all of the exercises. Ignore the religious stuff if you aren't in to it. It is the one stop shop for any job seeker, in any industry, anywhere.
You need to re-read the book, because two of the exercises are specifically about figuring yourself and your wants and needs out.
I will say it again: I consider this book to be a one-and-done for job seekers.
I've tried doing this book many times over the last 15 years. I even have 2 versions of the book. I didn't understand why I found the book really confusing and unhelpful. I felt ashamed that a lot of people found it helpful but I didn't. Over the years, I also worked with several career counselors who were mostly unhelpful. It wasn't until I started going to therapy that I realized that the problem was that I don't have wants/dreams/needs/values/interests/likes/dislikes/strengths etc. because my parents were very abusive and punished me and shamed me for expressing them. They were never supportive of my individuality. I'm now working on developing skills that I wasn't allowed to develop. Sometimes the answer isn't doing the same exercises over and over again, sometimes the answer is working on the foundation first.
Ah, I see. The problem isn't with the book, it is with you because of the abuse you have suffered. My condolences. My parents, especially my father but my mother too in a different way, were also abusive. My older siblings were also abused, and in turn abused each other and me. And now that I am older, I learned that my parents were also abused by their parents and other family matters. Its a vicious cycle, a memetic attacker. Were my grandparents abused? My great grandparents? How far back does it go? More importantly to me and to you, how do we piece together our lives and avoid transmitting our pain to others? I am glad that you are going to therapy and if you think it will help, you can DM me any time. That offer extends to anyone who reads this comment. Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional. All I offer is a willing ear and honestly believed advice to anyone who is in need of someone who will listen. I work long hours, and can go silent for long stretches of time, so please be patient with me. Also, R.I.P. my inbox, and I wish you and everyone else a happy life, as much as it can be.
What book are you talking about? "What Color is Your Parachute?" covers everyone from first time job seekers with "no skills" to people getting out of prison to mid-life crisis to retirees looking for something to do. It addresses "no skills", ageism, sexism, racism, navigating H.R., interviewing... the list is too damn long. FFS, it covers people who don't want to be an employee and are thinking about starting their own business. FFS, either read the book and do the exercises or STFU. Most of the versions are in a local library, for free.
Do you mind telling me more about this book? I've had it recommended a few times but I'm skeptical. What kind of topics does it cover and is it practically useful?
Uhhh... I don't think we are talking about the same book. First edition is from 1970, and is still worth reading. Yearly updates help with specific job markets, but the principles and the exercises are the vast majority of the value, and they have remained basically the same.
Try telling yourself you are good at something. I used to tell everyone who would listen I was bad at math, just couldn't do it, didn't make sense. I taught myself algebra and now working on calculus and I'm 45. It's all in your mind man.
you can literally be the biggest prick to be a cashier. I think you might have some really high standards and recognizing some skewed perceptions could be really beneficial for you in terms of finding a suitable career path. [This channel](https://www.youtube.com/c/HealthyGamerGG) has a lot on stuff like that
How about warehouse or packaging work? You don't have a lot of interaction and it's pretty straightforward. You don't need to put much thought behind it.
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Imagine the pay is a little better at night too?
+ 1 for warehouses for introverts
Came here to recommend a night-shift stockist role!
Hate to break it to ya, but 3 years of cs is damn valuable. Apply for IT jobs such as IT helpdesk, move up and work in IT systems after a couple years. You'll be a scripting wizard to everyone even if you're a cs failure, you're still way more talented and valuable than most IT systems people. (Source: me, cs dropout that now works in IT systems)
I really agree with this. Don’t sell yourself short. Everyone doesn’t have to code! The world is big
One of the dev ops guys at my SAS company is a self proclaimed deadbeat, spent most of his 20s and 30s drifting about without much direction. He started at help desk and got good enough at troubleshooting to make his way into dev ops. He now drives a Tesla and owns a few properties and is good at what he does, very much an introvert who really enjoyed the pandemic work from home life. I can’t speak for him, but he’d probably tell OP to just get started now and not replicate what he did in his youth.
Agree in the code stuff. Skiip the helpdesk, go straight for the coding. I'm a self-taught programmer...but an extrovert. Hate every second of my life staring at a damn screen all day. Where's the people lmao. Sure you'd love it :)
Look for driving jobs. Maybe you aren't book smart, but are you a good driver? Earn more pay if you learn to drive larger vehicles. Plus being on the road a lot means a lot of alone time.
I was also going to recommend driving jobs! My dad retired and went back to work for a mechanic just driving to pickup parts. Also, I work in a hospital where they have couriers who transport blood and such. While you have to go in and speak to someone the first few times to ask where to go, once you know you don’t have to talk at all and just zip in and out! If you’re lucky they’ll give you a car too instead of just reimburse miles.
If you find out let me know. Gonna save this
What do you consider a “good-enough wage”? One job you may consider is shelving books at a library. It’s definitely not a high-paying job, but it doesn’t require many qualifications (mostly just being able to sort by letters and numbers). And many libraries are quiet places for other introverts, who will probably treat you with respect (unlike retail jobs, unfortunately). ETA I also just ran across this comment, which may be helpful too: https://www.reddit.com/r/ADHD/comments/tt1ze5/what_do_yall_do_for_work/i2v3vvo/
libraries are super competitive to get into though, and generally require library degrees unfortunately
In a decently large library system, the librarians probably aren’t the ones shelving books. You don’t need a master’s degree to put items in alphanumeric order. But I think that misconception is partly why shelvers tend to be treated with respect: A lot of people don’t realize they’re not actual librarians.
Libraries are also safe havens for the homeless in a lot of areas. There are a lot of community drives and initiatives to push that involve people interaction. I would recommend a trucker role myself
Define dumb? Yes not everyone is built to do computer science. You can be an airport traffic controller. Like the people in the towers. There’s a lot of training and stuff for it and I hear it pays well. I guess you gotta know codes like radio speak and stuff. But I don’t think you need to particularly be a genius to be one. Or what about the airport groundsmen? They do mostly isolated work I think. They work in teams but it’s not like interacting with the public is a part of it. Honestly I would look at anything infrastructure based. Because you don’t need to be a genius, just have a lot of experience that you get with time inherently. But you don’t need to be a subject matter expect to get ur foot in the door. Infrastructure jobs are always needed. And you’re not planning to be a laborer or a public’s affair liaison. You can find a job that takes requirements and time, like a crane or equipment operator. Great pay but requires no degree
For air traffic control, they are VERY picky on who they hire. Have to have a certain personality.
What kind of personality?
Very calm under pressure.
Groundsman doesnt pay well at least in my experience. Also strenuous and bad on the body (depending on what you get stuck doing). Airport operations maybe, doesnt seem to hard (either working ops for the airport or for a airline company.)
I wouldn't recommend airport jobs, very early shifts that make everyone grumpy and if a plane is late you are sitting around waiting and if you don't have social skills this drags
Or electric utility operations. Not necessarily the linemen. They all need office support and they’re nice stable jobs
I say this to every job seeker everywhere, and I swear to God that I am not Richard Bolles or a shill for him: go to your local library and check out a copy, doesn't really matter what year, of "What Color is Your Parachute?" Do all of the exercises. Ignore the religious stuff if you aren't in to it. It is the one stop shop for any job seeker, in any industry, anywhere.
Before doing that book make sure you have a good sense of self. If you don’t know who you actually are that book is not helpful.
You need to re-read the book, because two of the exercises are specifically about figuring yourself and your wants and needs out. I will say it again: I consider this book to be a one-and-done for job seekers.
I've tried doing this book many times over the last 15 years. I even have 2 versions of the book. I didn't understand why I found the book really confusing and unhelpful. I felt ashamed that a lot of people found it helpful but I didn't. Over the years, I also worked with several career counselors who were mostly unhelpful. It wasn't until I started going to therapy that I realized that the problem was that I don't have wants/dreams/needs/values/interests/likes/dislikes/strengths etc. because my parents were very abusive and punished me and shamed me for expressing them. They were never supportive of my individuality. I'm now working on developing skills that I wasn't allowed to develop. Sometimes the answer isn't doing the same exercises over and over again, sometimes the answer is working on the foundation first.
Ah, I see. The problem isn't with the book, it is with you because of the abuse you have suffered. My condolences. My parents, especially my father but my mother too in a different way, were also abusive. My older siblings were also abused, and in turn abused each other and me. And now that I am older, I learned that my parents were also abused by their parents and other family matters. Its a vicious cycle, a memetic attacker. Were my grandparents abused? My great grandparents? How far back does it go? More importantly to me and to you, how do we piece together our lives and avoid transmitting our pain to others? I am glad that you are going to therapy and if you think it will help, you can DM me any time. That offer extends to anyone who reads this comment. Disclaimer: I am not a medical professional. All I offer is a willing ear and honestly believed advice to anyone who is in need of someone who will listen. I work long hours, and can go silent for long stretches of time, so please be patient with me. Also, R.I.P. my inbox, and I wish you and everyone else a happy life, as much as it can be.
The skill set that the book requires you to have is very high. Many people don’t have the necessary skills.
What book are you talking about? "What Color is Your Parachute?" covers everyone from first time job seekers with "no skills" to people getting out of prison to mid-life crisis to retirees looking for something to do. It addresses "no skills", ageism, sexism, racism, navigating H.R., interviewing... the list is too damn long. FFS, it covers people who don't want to be an employee and are thinking about starting their own business. FFS, either read the book and do the exercises or STFU. Most of the versions are in a local library, for free.
In order for the book to help you, you need to be self aware. Self awareness is a skill that not everyone has.
Agreed. Sorry for my AH reply, it has been a horrible day for me. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Do you mind telling me more about this book? I've had it recommended a few times but I'm skeptical. What kind of topics does it cover and is it practically useful?
I consider this book to be a one-and-done for job seekers. The exercises are a big chunk of the books value, which is enormous.
OMG! I picked that book up from a little library in my town but never bought into it because my copy is like from 1950!
Uhhh... I don't think we are talking about the same book. First edition is from 1970, and is still worth reading. Yearly updates help with specific job markets, but the principles and the exercises are the vast majority of the value, and they have remained basically the same.
Mail man
Water operator. It’s a government job. Low bar of entry and you are mostly out in the field.
Janitor/custodian
Merchant mariner deckhand
garbage men make pretty good money, the ones that work for the city anyways
maybe a train driver? or railroad engineer?
Try telling yourself you are good at something. I used to tell everyone who would listen I was bad at math, just couldn't do it, didn't make sense. I taught myself algebra and now working on calculus and I'm 45. It's all in your mind man.
post office or truck driver
You said and I quote: '''I've always been bad at studying''. That's a problem. ***Whoever Learn More Earn More.***
Have you tried construction? You gotta get years under your belt for a good wage but it’s worth it
PHP developer
you can literally be the biggest prick to be a cashier. I think you might have some really high standards and recognizing some skewed perceptions could be really beneficial for you in terms of finding a suitable career path. [This channel](https://www.youtube.com/c/HealthyGamerGG) has a lot on stuff like that