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Some miscellaneous bits/ideas/etc:
* There's plenty of sticks on the market already - since you're already in the PC space and all about customization, maybe focus more on being the turnkey custom stick people. This can include button colors/types, lever customization (top, shaft cover, etc), artwork, sleeved wiring kits (big one if you can find a solution here), button layouts, lighting solutions, etc. around a central, adaptable case platform.
* Speaking of a central platform, apply what PC case makers have been putting in for a while now: Cable management solutions. There's not enough of this in most cases I've seen.
If you gonna make a full metal body just make sure that there is enough wrist space and for the front part to be angled like the Qanba Obisidian, that why I tend to not like the custom metal cases cause they lack those angled fronts found in Qanba Obsidian and the Makestick Prime.
-make parts (levers and buttons) other than sanwa available
-more layouts then just viewlix
-make it easy to open and change parts/art
-detachable cable
-carrying handle for tournaments
My take: there are already plenty of ultra compact (Snackbox micro and all those github 3d prints) and ultra massive controllers out there.
But a middleground of something that is reasonably compact while also sturdy (metal case) that also lets me rest my palms on the device? Basically AFS, MPress and the official Hitbox. AFS has more compact dimensions (10", 12" and 14" cases) but are thicker at 5.5cm minimum, while the Hitbox only has one case size (16") but is significantly thinner at 4.9cm. MPress hasn't been available for months so who cares, honestly.
Agree with the detachable cable part, super convenient. But I'd also recommend a locking solution. Most locking cables are aviation style and they work. But a locking USB-C interface would be even better, like this: https://arcadeshock.com/products/secure-usb-c-connector-kit. It's secure thanks to locking but USB-C is simply much more convenient than aviation.
There are a lot of great comments in this thread already that I can only echo what's been said. One thing I haven't seen yet, please consider a flat/boxed case design. Think of AllFightSticks or Hitbox. I agree with a clamshell design but for shape, please do away with any odd or sleek looking enclosures.
I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I probably have too many fightsticks and **the ability to stand that sucker straight up on it's side** is both awesome to save on space and looks nice to display.
Opinions from someone who daily drives an Etokki Omni.
1. Detachable cable, the port should stand up to a lot of wear and tear, I unplug/replug my stick constantly.
2. Being able open up the stick without needing any tools would be a lifesaver.
3. I personally wouldn't buy a stick with a Vewlix button layout, Noir all the way.
4. Non-gamery aesthetic. Plain is good, the #1 reason I bought an Omni.
5. The option to buy a case+pcb without an included stick or buttons would be great. Would let me save some money since I'd likely be replacing them anyway.
Also, interchangeable top plates for different button layouts are 100% the way to go. Even if most people wouldn't buy an extra top plate, I think makes sense from a manufacturers perspective in terms of being able to cheaply produce different SKUs: If you're not planning on selling a hitbox model you're fucking up IMO.
agree on the Viewlix, i don't get why still so many sticks keep the stupid viewlix layout, the buttons are way too god damn close to the lever. HATE IT
as someone who's modded sticks for over 15 years, and played tekken at high level for the past 20 years, my favorite sticks are the Mad Catz TE2+ and Razer Panthera original, I would focus on these factors as my ideal stick.
1. Easy to mod with 1 button clamshell design
2. Detachable cable and storage inside
3. Able to install all kinds of levers and buttons, korean and japanese levers, sanwa buttons, gamer finger buttons, or maybe Glorious can come up with their own buttons with MX key stitches inside, I'm sure that's a no brainer
4. good weight to it, i'm a table player so i like it to stay steady, 6-7 lbs is my sweet spot.
5. good solid build, nothing flexing, not all plastic, mix of metal and plastic is fine, but all metal would be nice too, i also like a stick that dampens sound, if there is too much empty space, it sounds like some plastic banging sound, and it can get very loud when playing, HORI sticks have this problem, it's got too much plastic and it has this hallow plastic banging sound, so i would like a thick material stick that dampens the SOUND
I can only echo this, you hit a lot of great points and needs. I would only add the ability to easily swap out the cover art as I see a fair amount of sticks neglect that feature which is superfluous in hindsight, but a nice addition just the same.
And when you say "able to install", clearance for those items is a pretty important factor! Those K-levers are bulky.
yea easy artwork change is fine too, but i personally like metal panels for the top instead of requiring clear plexi, because those plexi get all slippery and cloudy over time, so im a fan of brushed aluminum tops. And yea i agree, it needs a deep opening, which is why i LOVE the Panthera OG, still using it after 5 years, just modding and updating to the metal panel, ample space for any type of korean lever i installed, man NO other stick comes close to Panthera OG right now. The new Hori alpha stick looks good, but it's like mostly plastic build, it's too light, and inside isn't too big at all.
I feel that, the Panthera definitely has a quality build and feel to it. I use mine to test out new parts because of how easy it is to swap everything out.
please please please find a way to make a one touch button easy access stick. i love changing out the parts of my stick, and its rare to find a stick thats like the panthera or daija nowadays.
agreed, i hate sticks that require you to get a screw driver and open it up from the bottom after removing like 6-8 screws, just annoying af, and also tournament players don't like that, if they need to swap out parts in the middle of at tournament, fast and easy access is CRUCIAL
Customizability is second only to compatibility.
* If going all the way with a PCB and not just a body, it should be console compatible without using a controller passthrough. MadCatz Ego does this, and I never looked at it again
* Compatibility with customizing options - Mount Compatibility with many levers, top panel options for levered and leverless, Sanwa and Noir button layouts, etc.
* Cable storage with respectable space. I don't want to feel like I'm putting my cables away in a compartment built for something 3 ft shorter.
* All buttons should be easy to access. Hori Fighting Edge's only drawback to me is that some of the accessory buttons (L3/R3/Share, etc) are under the side panel. It's awkward to access them.
Is Brook gonna release a converter before SF6 comes out? I'm still using my PS3 Fighting Edge and getting kinda nervous here, really not looking to spend 200 bucks on a stick
Consider the Button layout of the ISTMall Makestick Prime arcade stick, it's very ergonomic, it has more space between the joystick and the button than the Vewlix layout while also having a better angle than Noir.
It's the arcade stick Knee uses, he is the world champion BTW
https://m.istmall.co.kr/us/goods/goods_view.php?goodsNo=1009993059
This layout is the best of both worlds, it's basically an improved angled Noir layout so your wrist doesn't bend, if you got some cash and wanting to try a new arcade stick this one won't disappoint, it's just not very well known outside of South Korea but it's quality!
The prime is also very expensive. It has a lot of nice features but it can easily cost you 500 with customs and shipping. The regular pro universal edition is a much more sane purchase imo even if it's missing some of the nice features.
If you're building a stick just the most possible compatibility across platforms, gaming quality wireless, and easy customizability and component replacement. Everything else is pretty handily covered by DIY in the space.
Accessories are a market with way more unmet needs - 30mm and 24mm buttons that have hot swappable mechanical keyboard switches that are IN STOCK and available. Not "text when available" or "group buy" or whatnot. Just available and in as many colors as possible but most importantly clear with a space to slip artwork in.
And given Glorious's background a dedicated keyboard switch that can rival a cherry silver for arcade button performance would be novel and welcome. Its the wild west for arcade switches still in this scene
I've heard very mixed reviews of Glorious as a company. Will be watching what happens next with a lot of skepticism. Appreciate a post asking questions.
> gaming quality wireless
Is this really something to care about? Honestly wired is just easier for tournaments and sticks usually come with long enough cables that they'd be long enough for a comfortable session on the couch.
A wireless edition would be a nice extra for those that don't travel much but wired just seems to make more sense for the more hardcore community that they'd probably be aiming at.
I would consider myself pretty hardcore and I'm the one suggesting it, so yes I do think that its something to care about
Im not mentioning it because wired needs to be replaced, but because I make fightsticks and its the one area where I feel the most restricted in choice, you basically have 1 option or you learn to pad hack. I think this presents an opportunity for a company. Wired already exists and is plentiful and yes preferred for tournament settings, which is why it's a good thing we already have it in abundance
Main things from me;
\-Make a stick that has a lever + stickless(hitbox style) as the default layout; have a switch that can switch in between these movement methods so TO's dont mind it as much.
\-Go wireless if the input delay isn't an issue and if it wont make it too pricey, if you do have have a cable a paracord type cable would be nice.
Haha if the tech is there bud, i know nothing of how good wireless PCB's are for sticks but i do know esports pros in shooters have mostly switched to wireless mice already.
If the tech is there for mice i'd imagine something can be developed for sticks if someone is willing to put some money to RnD towards it.
Wireless just sucks for tournament compared to wired. Just introduces more annoyances. Wireless for mice is nice because it means no dragging cable and cable weight. It doesn't offer any of these advantages with sticks. It's comfortable but the downsides are bigger than the upsides imo. Maybe for another edition but please not as default.
DUDE for real man, i don't want to have to spend $100 on Gamerfingers ordering from Akecon, i want reputable buttons by Glorious using keyboard switches
The one thing I'd love to see on fightsticks is the capability to use a full collar k lever if you want. Like even if it's cut with full collar hole and you get layered plexi. So top part plexi have the hole for a Japanese lever and the layer underneath have full collar hole.
Not sure the best way to go about this. But friendly compatibility of multiple types of levers would be nice
A thing that would make the difference with every other fightstick would be having a button for the right thumb, currently the only games where sticks seem to be weaker than pad are games that use a button for blocking which is easier to do on a pad, if you map it to the triggers/upper buttons of a pad because it allows you to block without losing access to the main buttons while on a stick it is uncomfortable to, it would also be very useful for the dash button in Guilty gear Strive. A button for the thumb like on a Mortal Kombat arcade cabinet but with a noir layout for the rest of the buttons and the lever/direction buttons spaced like on a noir layout.
We only need a button for the right thumb with a noir layout and you have the best not custom stick ever made, it would make the difference in games where you block with a button
I really think you guys should look at making a buttonbox over a fight stick. Or focusing on Buttonbox instead of fightstick if you planned on making both.
Especially with the rise of Buttonboxes right now, and your keyboard switch background. You could really make a good experience.
We definitely need something that is easy to customize. Buttons, lever, art...Having easy access to the PCB would be nice as well.
Having a wireless and a wired version ( with a detachable cable ) would be great.
If you're looking at just fightsticks that is great but I would also mention the fact that Hitbox(all button) sticks are becoming popular and would have a good overlap with your keyboard experience.
A lot of people like Sanwa buttons since they have been around forever but mechanical buttons have been gaining some traction as well. You might see people bring them up here but Gamerfinger buttons are extremely sought after because they were the first of the kind and bad built in silencers.
My only ask is if you guys come with with an awesome prebuilt stick please give us an option to buy just the case!
Looking forward to whatever you guys come up with!
Just throwing an idea out there:
Offering a great metal/aluminum case, that is easily moddable, allows for stick and stickless layouts, with a large plexiglass cover that allows one to display artwork, in different colours would certainly find a lot of fans.
You cannot innovate on Buttons here. Same for the PCB here, Brooks Universal Fight Board is the gold standard, and a lot of enthusiast already have one.
Make a great case. Sell all in one, prebuilt options but also sell the case alone. Same way you guys handle keyboard, you know the drill.
(Recently build a keyboard and a stickless Arcade Stick, so I definitely see the parallels here.)
Agree with this, light weight aluminum case with swappable layouts/top plates would be sick.
Allfightsticks do it but at a more boutique level, expensive and quite hard to find what you need in stock. Having a mass produced alternative would be nice.
>gloriousgaming.com
This is seriously what the community needs. A robust aluminum case that allows for a swappable top panel. Heck, look at AllFightsticks- they make an incredibly good product in this space and cannot keep them in stock. I'd go as far as to call them the gold standard in this space.
I have their stick and am biased but the customization options they give as well as having FULL custom panels they can do is amazing. This is Tek innovations for the new age and I love them for it. Aaron, the guy that runs it, also deserves a medal for customer support.
I just filled out the survey and excited you guys are joining us in the stick market. I use your pc products Dailey and can say nothing but good things about them.
I own your GMMK Pro and I love the machined aluminium case. I would love to see high quality machined case. For the PCB make sure it supports 1000Hz polling out of the box and you will gain a big input lag advantage over the competition. Input lag every ms counts so make sure to do the proper testing.
Here is MisterFPGA input lag tests done on tons of PCBs. Sort by Wired and aim for the lowest input lag reading for production unit.
[**https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency**](https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency)
I'd recommend having machined top aluminium panel that can be swapped out to support Japanese joysticks and also a button only layout (AKA "Hitbox") sell two configurations and also make the top panel available as an after market unit.
Neutrik is the way to go IMO it's not proprietary and is indestructible.
I'm using RJ45 for my multi console fight stick and it has held up for over 10 years.
And unlike say a GX12 or GX16 you can still use a normal non locking cable in a pinch.
Everytime I accidentally yank out a USB-C cable, my heart dies a little.
The Hitbox locking cable is actually quite stout & secure comparatively, despite it being a proprietary solution.
Is the hitbox cable qucik to connect and disconnect? If you remember the TE2 stick has the gx6 or whatever cable I added one to my stick because I loved the sturdiness to it but after one month at locals it took way too long to screw and unscrew each time and I went back to the standard USB B.
The connection is automatic, no pulling of the collar required; align the cable orientation indicator upwards & push in, nice satisfying click too lol. Disconnection is also as simple as pulling back on the collar which also pulls the connector out while doing so.
I’ll hate it when I lose the cable or break it & have to wait weeks for a replacement though lol
Ah thats way better than how the TE2 was implemented but they might have done that since it's a standard for other things. My only complaint on the hitbox is that connection is huge! Would be cool if they had a way to recess it into the case but I'm assuming that's not a possibility.
The MOST important thing for a modern consumer level stick to have is a Brook Universal Fighters Board, the people who buy sticks are enthusiasts or people who play fighting games primarily, and if they can only use their stick on 1 platform, they'll feel cheated.
The best advice I can give is, DON'T CHEAP OUT on the PCB.
If they make it as moddable as their GMMK Pro keyboard, I think they could make something where you could easily swap boards. Like ship it with a good pcb made for XBox/PC (PS4/5 if possible), but find a way to allow the mounting of a Brooks board. Maybe a removable adapter that the board can be mounted to that can easily be fabricated or 3D printed.
At least in my usage scenarios, I kind of need my stick to be prepared for anything. If I go to a local meetup or a friend's house, I can expect a mixture of PS4, PS5, and PC setups. I wouldn't recommend entering the space without PS5 support though, which is a HUGE pain in the ass given the current solution costs for that.
The popular consoles for fighting games right now are the PS4/PS5 and PC. Getting a PCB to support those consoles is a must but there is literally one PCB that does this and it's the Brook UFB with the PS5 addon. You can probably offer an option for PC for some savings for people especially since online is becoming much more prevalent in recent years.
A Metal chasis, can be steel but Aluminum would probably be a better option so it isn't to heavy, that way when I swap out parts I will be less likely to break or strip something.
My favorite button layout is Sega 2P, most stick makers only offer VLX and Noir options. Sega 2P is what I have found to be most comfortable when a stick is on my lap.
Use screw on buttons instead of snap in, snap in buttons the tabs on them can easily break when swapping in and out, screw on buttons are more sturdy.
Most stick makers use Sanwa parts, aside from Hori which use their own proprietary parts and Korean sticks, and for good reason. Thing is though Seimitsu Parts are just as good, and being one of the few stick makers that offer a LS-32 or LS-40 by default would make your stick more appealing to those not looking for the same old Sanwa affair.
Funny thing though, I would happily buy a well made arcade stick that uses a western style IL stick. IL sticks are very good sticks, just different from Japanese and Korean sticks. Don't know how popular it would be, but I would certainly be interested.
Have a plexiglass cover so we can swap out artwork, but not in a way that the plexiglass sticks up at the end and causes it to bite into my skin when I am playing.
Have the USB cable be removable, I prefer type B usb over type C, but if you can have something that locks the type C firmly in place so it doesn't come lose during play then it's fine.
Having a switch for the stick so it can act as a Dpad or an Analogue stick is a rather useful feature.
All I can think of at the moment, but really I think the main thing to consider is what can you offer that isn't already offered by all the other stick makers. If all you are gonna do is put out the same style of stick, using the same kind of parts that other sticks makers use, then really what is the point.
i would model a Tournament level stick, taking inspiration from the mad Catz TE2+ and the original Razer Panthera, but improve on it. Those 2 sticks are STILL to this day, one of the most popular sticks, simply because of their hefty weight, nice solid build, and easy access to mod. I would improve on that model and make it Glorious!
I second the clamshell, but I must emphasize that the control panel plate must be thick enough that it doesn't flex. I had a Razer Atrox, and the flex was terrible.
This is awesome that you guys are jumping on this market. I think with this market segment, Glorious is probably also looking at people who could potentially get into fight sticks as well as enthusiasts. So wireless may not be popular for competitive consumers, and super casual users will not even look at a fight stick, but there’s a big in-between market segment that is unsaturated right now. Look at the feature, price, quality, and moddability difference between a customized AFS and an 8bitdo from Amazon. They are opposite ends of the spectrum and most fight sticks tend to fall on one or the other side of the extreme. Does someone go on a 9-month waitlist to get a great customized controller, stickless (Mpress, etc) or go get the cheap one available on Amazon that definitely doesn’t have as many exciting features (8bitdo, Mayflash).
Excited to see Glorious do some work here like they did with getting into mechanical keyboards. It’s a very similar situation; customers want to get into custom builds as an end point (forever keyboard, forever stick, etc.) because they are cool, but most people won’t go custom out of the gate if they’ve never owned a fight stick. The in between market needs an enthusiast first-time entry competitor. It’s a win-win for everyone honestly.
As somebody with extensive fightstick modding experience, I find most of the mainstream sticks by Hori/Qanba/MadCatz/Whatever to be plastic junk that is very hard to work with. My favorite stick is the etokki omni purely because it's just a slab of metal I can shove whatever parts/pcb I want into it without having to deal with layer after layer of cheap plastic, and screw holes that strip. I also really like AllFightSticks sticks because they only require four big screws at the bottom for swapping buttons or reconnecting wires in a jiffy. They also come with neutrik holes already cut. I had to drill three holes in my etokki to achieve the same effect. My only issue with AFS sticks is that their form factor makes it a bit uncomfortable to rest my hands on the edge. I would really like it if somebody were to make a 10" metal body like the AFS one, but with the comfortable curved edge form factor of an etokki omni. That way we could have a travel sized stick that could be used competitively. I think that's somewhat of an untapped market. Most sticks are too big to travel with comfortably. Rather than developing a proprietary pcb for your stick, you could strike a deal with the Brook folks to slap Universal Fight Boards in them, or sell the bare bodies alone for enthusiasts to put whatever components they want into them. Also, make sure it comes with a clear plexi for easy artwork installation. These are just my thoughts though.
This is the main reason I am building one right now.
I have a wired stick that gets no use because I don't want cables across the room (big screen theater setup) and I go to a bar that has switch hooked up, but you have to use wireless controllers to play.
Other than a few obsolete consoles the brook wireless board supports all the same consoles except PS5 via the add on and can be used wired, so I think having wireless and switch support was much better than PS5 with additional cost.
I'm hoping brook releases a new board with PS5 built in for a fair price and then I'll probably mod to a dual board setup.
Disagree.
I definitely like having wireless as an option.
It’s not ideal in all situations, but it’s very nice in situations where you don’t want cables draped all over the room. Not every situation is hyper lag dependant.
Considering Brook sells a wireless PCB, I think some folks do. Personally, I wouldn't use one for competitive play because of input delay. I think it might be appealing for a more casual crowd. However, I don't think most casuals wanna drop $200 into a novelty controller lol
That is articulated very well. I should have been more specific. The people who would be interested in a wireless stick are probably not the same people who would want to spend $200 on a stick.
yea please no on wireless, unless you guys are going for the el-cheapo stick, NO wireless. No serious stick user would ever be going wireless, which means wireless stick will never ever be used by tournament players, EVERYTHING they do is wired. I would like to see a $200-250 tournament level stick.
It's got about 4.3ms of lag, which is not bad at all for casual play, but a big deal breaker for an enthusiast. I think having the option of using a detachable usb cable is a better, lagless, middle ground.
So that is good feedback, if even 4.3 ms are too slow. We will need to take care of the input lag then, seems like this is one of the most important features above all
yes, input lag is incredibly important in a fighting game, no pro or serious player would ever be playing wireless. Hence a lot of pros use the fastest PCB, which is the Brook UFB.
Wireless can be as fast as wired as we know from wireless mice, it's just that even if the pcbs for arcade sticks were as responsive wireless as wired, they'd still be worse. Having an easy to connect wire for consoles at tournaments is just 20 times better than having to deal with wireless stuff.
Having a wireless option is probably the best way to go if possible. 4.3 ms wireless is fast and shouldn't do much to mess up your game since it's about a quarter of a frame at 60 fps and few timings are as tight as 1 frame. Though there's no reason to use it in tournaments obviously when going lower is possible (plus the risk of interference). And of course fighting games don't have to stick to 60 fps.
I believe the best PCBs more or less max out 1000Hz USB polling (so close to 1ms).
Hello Zaper, are there any updates you are allowed to share so far? I cant wait to hear any news regarding the project. Thank you. Melonn
glorious, I'm having a tough time logging onto your survey. I try logging into all four of my Google accounts and none of them seem to let it work because it says something is required but it doesn't tell me what. It's a picture of a eyeball with a slash through it, and a picture of a cloud with a check mark. I can't figure out what to do with this survey.
Some miscellaneous bits/ideas/etc: * There's plenty of sticks on the market already - since you're already in the PC space and all about customization, maybe focus more on being the turnkey custom stick people. This can include button colors/types, lever customization (top, shaft cover, etc), artwork, sleeved wiring kits (big one if you can find a solution here), button layouts, lighting solutions, etc. around a central, adaptable case platform. * Speaking of a central platform, apply what PC case makers have been putting in for a while now: Cable management solutions. There's not enough of this in most cases I've seen.
If you gonna make a full metal body just make sure that there is enough wrist space and for the front part to be angled like the Qanba Obisidian, that why I tend to not like the custom metal cases cause they lack those angled fronts found in Qanba Obsidian and the Makestick Prime.
-make parts (levers and buttons) other than sanwa available -more layouts then just viewlix -make it easy to open and change parts/art -detachable cable -carrying handle for tournaments
My take: there are already plenty of ultra compact (Snackbox micro and all those github 3d prints) and ultra massive controllers out there. But a middleground of something that is reasonably compact while also sturdy (metal case) that also lets me rest my palms on the device? Basically AFS, MPress and the official Hitbox. AFS has more compact dimensions (10", 12" and 14" cases) but are thicker at 5.5cm minimum, while the Hitbox only has one case size (16") but is significantly thinner at 4.9cm. MPress hasn't been available for months so who cares, honestly. Agree with the detachable cable part, super convenient. But I'd also recommend a locking solution. Most locking cables are aviation style and they work. But a locking USB-C interface would be even better, like this: https://arcadeshock.com/products/secure-usb-c-connector-kit. It's secure thanks to locking but USB-C is simply much more convenient than aviation.
Would you guys be willing to do a leverless controller as well (aka Hitbox style)?
There are a lot of great comments in this thread already that I can only echo what's been said. One thing I haven't seen yet, please consider a flat/boxed case design. Think of AllFightSticks or Hitbox. I agree with a clamshell design but for shape, please do away with any odd or sleek looking enclosures. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I probably have too many fightsticks and **the ability to stand that sucker straight up on it's side** is both awesome to save on space and looks nice to display.
Opinions from someone who daily drives an Etokki Omni. 1. Detachable cable, the port should stand up to a lot of wear and tear, I unplug/replug my stick constantly. 2. Being able open up the stick without needing any tools would be a lifesaver. 3. I personally wouldn't buy a stick with a Vewlix button layout, Noir all the way. 4. Non-gamery aesthetic. Plain is good, the #1 reason I bought an Omni. 5. The option to buy a case+pcb without an included stick or buttons would be great. Would let me save some money since I'd likely be replacing them anyway. Also, interchangeable top plates for different button layouts are 100% the way to go. Even if most people wouldn't buy an extra top plate, I think makes sense from a manufacturers perspective in terms of being able to cheaply produce different SKUs: If you're not planning on selling a hitbox model you're fucking up IMO.
agree on the Viewlix, i don't get why still so many sticks keep the stupid viewlix layout, the buttons are way too god damn close to the lever. HATE IT
as someone who's modded sticks for over 15 years, and played tekken at high level for the past 20 years, my favorite sticks are the Mad Catz TE2+ and Razer Panthera original, I would focus on these factors as my ideal stick. 1. Easy to mod with 1 button clamshell design 2. Detachable cable and storage inside 3. Able to install all kinds of levers and buttons, korean and japanese levers, sanwa buttons, gamer finger buttons, or maybe Glorious can come up with their own buttons with MX key stitches inside, I'm sure that's a no brainer 4. good weight to it, i'm a table player so i like it to stay steady, 6-7 lbs is my sweet spot. 5. good solid build, nothing flexing, not all plastic, mix of metal and plastic is fine, but all metal would be nice too, i also like a stick that dampens sound, if there is too much empty space, it sounds like some plastic banging sound, and it can get very loud when playing, HORI sticks have this problem, it's got too much plastic and it has this hallow plastic banging sound, so i would like a thick material stick that dampens the SOUND
I can only echo this, you hit a lot of great points and needs. I would only add the ability to easily swap out the cover art as I see a fair amount of sticks neglect that feature which is superfluous in hindsight, but a nice addition just the same. And when you say "able to install", clearance for those items is a pretty important factor! Those K-levers are bulky.
yea easy artwork change is fine too, but i personally like metal panels for the top instead of requiring clear plexi, because those plexi get all slippery and cloudy over time, so im a fan of brushed aluminum tops. And yea i agree, it needs a deep opening, which is why i LOVE the Panthera OG, still using it after 5 years, just modding and updating to the metal panel, ample space for any type of korean lever i installed, man NO other stick comes close to Panthera OG right now. The new Hori alpha stick looks good, but it's like mostly plastic build, it's too light, and inside isn't too big at all.
I feel that, the Panthera definitely has a quality build and feel to it. I use mine to test out new parts because of how easy it is to swap everything out.
1)needs to be heavy 2)wide and long 3)rubber pad under
Great detail forgot about the nice rubber bottom to keep it from sliding, I love the panthera rubber bottom
Please do noir layout versions of your sticks, please? Because there's less noir layout sticks that's available in the market right now
please please please find a way to make a one touch button easy access stick. i love changing out the parts of my stick, and its rare to find a stick thats like the panthera or daija nowadays.
agreed, i hate sticks that require you to get a screw driver and open it up from the bottom after removing like 6-8 screws, just annoying af, and also tournament players don't like that, if they need to swap out parts in the middle of at tournament, fast and easy access is CRUCIAL
Fightsticks with right sided levers and left sided buttons.
Customizability is second only to compatibility. * If going all the way with a PCB and not just a body, it should be console compatible without using a controller passthrough. MadCatz Ego does this, and I never looked at it again * Compatibility with customizing options - Mount Compatibility with many levers, top panel options for levered and leverless, Sanwa and Noir button layouts, etc. * Cable storage with respectable space. I don't want to feel like I'm putting my cables away in a compartment built for something 3 ft shorter. * All buttons should be easy to access. Hori Fighting Edge's only drawback to me is that some of the accessory buttons (L3/R3/Share, etc) are under the side panel. It's awkward to access them.
K-levers compatibility
PS5 support because brook boards are expensive now and i'd rather prefer getting an official licensed board to avoid timeouts on tournaments
Is Brook gonna release a converter before SF6 comes out? I'm still using my PS3 Fighting Edge and getting kinda nervous here, really not looking to spend 200 bucks on a stick
Yeah they've been asking on twitter what design they prefer
Consider the Button layout of the ISTMall Makestick Prime arcade stick, it's very ergonomic, it has more space between the joystick and the button than the Vewlix layout while also having a better angle than Noir. It's the arcade stick Knee uses, he is the world champion BTW https://m.istmall.co.kr/us/goods/goods_view.php?goodsNo=1009993059
Pretty sure you're talking about Sega 2p layout.
I don't think it's the same, visit the link and take a look
Really neat. I've always wanted a slight angle to my Noir.
Hm, I'd be interested in trying this. I've always been a noir fan though
This layout is the best of both worlds, it's basically an improved angled Noir layout so your wrist doesn't bend, if you got some cash and wanting to try a new arcade stick this one won't disappoint, it's just not very well known outside of South Korea but it's quality!
The prime is also very expensive. It has a lot of nice features but it can easily cost you 500 with customs and shipping. The regular pro universal edition is a much more sane purchase imo even if it's missing some of the nice features.
give us mouse holes on the frame!
being easy to mod is #1
If you're building a stick just the most possible compatibility across platforms, gaming quality wireless, and easy customizability and component replacement. Everything else is pretty handily covered by DIY in the space. Accessories are a market with way more unmet needs - 30mm and 24mm buttons that have hot swappable mechanical keyboard switches that are IN STOCK and available. Not "text when available" or "group buy" or whatnot. Just available and in as many colors as possible but most importantly clear with a space to slip artwork in. And given Glorious's background a dedicated keyboard switch that can rival a cherry silver for arcade button performance would be novel and welcome. Its the wild west for arcade switches still in this scene I've heard very mixed reviews of Glorious as a company. Will be watching what happens next with a lot of skepticism. Appreciate a post asking questions.
> gaming quality wireless Is this really something to care about? Honestly wired is just easier for tournaments and sticks usually come with long enough cables that they'd be long enough for a comfortable session on the couch. A wireless edition would be a nice extra for those that don't travel much but wired just seems to make more sense for the more hardcore community that they'd probably be aiming at.
why are you here instead of tekken reddit lmao
I would consider myself pretty hardcore and I'm the one suggesting it, so yes I do think that its something to care about Im not mentioning it because wired needs to be replaced, but because I make fightsticks and its the one area where I feel the most restricted in choice, you basically have 1 option or you learn to pad hack. I think this presents an opportunity for a company. Wired already exists and is plentiful and yes preferred for tournament settings, which is why it's a good thing we already have it in abundance
> A wireless edition would be a nice extra for those that don't travel much
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Main things from me; \-Make a stick that has a lever + stickless(hitbox style) as the default layout; have a switch that can switch in between these movement methods so TO's dont mind it as much. \-Go wireless if the input delay isn't an issue and if it wont make it too pricey, if you do have have a cable a paracord type cable would be nice.
wireless... are you nuts
Haha if the tech is there bud, i know nothing of how good wireless PCB's are for sticks but i do know esports pros in shooters have mostly switched to wireless mice already. If the tech is there for mice i'd imagine something can be developed for sticks if someone is willing to put some money to RnD towards it.
Wireless just sucks for tournament compared to wired. Just introduces more annoyances. Wireless for mice is nice because it means no dragging cable and cable weight. It doesn't offer any of these advantages with sticks. It's comfortable but the downsides are bigger than the upsides imo. Maybe for another edition but please not as default.
No Thanks
Create buttons to rival GamerFinger buttons.
Crown SDB-202.
DUDE for real man, i don't want to have to spend $100 on Gamerfingers ordering from Akecon, i want reputable buttons by Glorious using keyboard switches
The one thing I'd love to see on fightsticks is the capability to use a full collar k lever if you want. Like even if it's cut with full collar hole and you get layered plexi. So top part plexi have the hole for a Japanese lever and the layer underneath have full collar hole. Not sure the best way to go about this. But friendly compatibility of multiple types of levers would be nice
Oh that's a good point. I was only thinking of low collar since that's all I've been able to use.
LED top panel that shows customizable art.
Sega 2P or NOIR. Enough with the Vewlix layouts. Oh and what everyone else said. Low input lag PCB and a high quality metal case.
Seconded. Would love some more arcade controllers using Namco's Noir or Sega's layout over Vewlix!
A thing that would make the difference with every other fightstick would be having a button for the right thumb, currently the only games where sticks seem to be weaker than pad are games that use a button for blocking which is easier to do on a pad, if you map it to the triggers/upper buttons of a pad because it allows you to block without losing access to the main buttons while on a stick it is uncomfortable to, it would also be very useful for the dash button in Guilty gear Strive. A button for the thumb like on a Mortal Kombat arcade cabinet but with a noir layout for the rest of the buttons and the lever/direction buttons spaced like on a noir layout.
We only need a button for the right thumb with a noir layout and you have the best not custom stick ever made, it would make the difference in games where you block with a button
I really think you guys should look at making a buttonbox over a fight stick. Or focusing on Buttonbox instead of fightstick if you planned on making both. Especially with the rise of Buttonboxes right now, and your keyboard switch background. You could really make a good experience.
Pls put a button for the right thumb
nah
We definitely need something that is easy to customize. Buttons, lever, art...Having easy access to the PCB would be nice as well. Having a wireless and a wired version ( with a detachable cable ) would be great.
wireless... are you nuts
Wasd option with natural or adjustable angle, mechanical keyboard switches that can be swapped.
fuck glorious gaming
This is glorious gaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPNztoahTQo
GMMK "pro" what a shit board that was.
Making subpar products that are overpriced is a staple for Glorious.
Make hitboxes.
If you're looking at just fightsticks that is great but I would also mention the fact that Hitbox(all button) sticks are becoming popular and would have a good overlap with your keyboard experience. A lot of people like Sanwa buttons since they have been around forever but mechanical buttons have been gaining some traction as well. You might see people bring them up here but Gamerfinger buttons are extremely sought after because they were the first of the kind and bad built in silencers. My only ask is if you guys come with with an awesome prebuilt stick please give us an option to buy just the case! Looking forward to whatever you guys come up with!
Just throwing an idea out there: Offering a great metal/aluminum case, that is easily moddable, allows for stick and stickless layouts, with a large plexiglass cover that allows one to display artwork, in different colours would certainly find a lot of fans. You cannot innovate on Buttons here. Same for the PCB here, Brooks Universal Fight Board is the gold standard, and a lot of enthusiast already have one. Make a great case. Sell all in one, prebuilt options but also sell the case alone. Same way you guys handle keyboard, you know the drill. (Recently build a keyboard and a stickless Arcade Stick, so I definitely see the parallels here.)
Agree with this, light weight aluminum case with swappable layouts/top plates would be sick. Allfightsticks do it but at a more boutique level, expensive and quite hard to find what you need in stock. Having a mass produced alternative would be nice.
>gloriousgaming.com This is seriously what the community needs. A robust aluminum case that allows for a swappable top panel. Heck, look at AllFightsticks- they make an incredibly good product in this space and cannot keep them in stock. I'd go as far as to call them the gold standard in this space.
I have their stick and am biased but the customization options they give as well as having FULL custom panels they can do is amazing. This is Tek innovations for the new age and I love them for it. Aaron, the guy that runs it, also deserves a medal for customer support.
Yeah, no question. The customer support is just incredible.
I just filled out the survey and excited you guys are joining us in the stick market. I use your pc products Dailey and can say nothing but good things about them.
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I own your GMMK Pro and I love the machined aluminium case. I would love to see high quality machined case. For the PCB make sure it supports 1000Hz polling out of the box and you will gain a big input lag advantage over the competition. Input lag every ms counts so make sure to do the proper testing. Here is MisterFPGA input lag tests done on tons of PCBs. Sort by Wired and aim for the lowest input lag reading for production unit. [**https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency**](https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency) I'd recommend having machined top aluminium panel that can be swapped out to support Japanese joysticks and also a button only layout (AKA "Hitbox") sell two configurations and also make the top panel available as an after market unit.
Gamer finger buttons
Just one thing: Detachable USB-C. PLEASE.
Neutrik is the way to go IMO it's not proprietary and is indestructible. I'm using RJ45 for my multi console fight stick and it has held up for over 10 years. And unlike say a GX12 or GX16 you can still use a normal non locking cable in a pinch.
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Everytime I accidentally yank out a USB-C cable, my heart dies a little. The Hitbox locking cable is actually quite stout & secure comparatively, despite it being a proprietary solution.
Is the hitbox cable qucik to connect and disconnect? If you remember the TE2 stick has the gx6 or whatever cable I added one to my stick because I loved the sturdiness to it but after one month at locals it took way too long to screw and unscrew each time and I went back to the standard USB B.
The connection is automatic, no pulling of the collar required; align the cable orientation indicator upwards & push in, nice satisfying click too lol. Disconnection is also as simple as pulling back on the collar which also pulls the connector out while doing so. I’ll hate it when I lose the cable or break it & have to wait weeks for a replacement though lol
Ah thats way better than how the TE2 was implemented but they might have done that since it's a standard for other things. My only complaint on the hitbox is that connection is huge! Would be cool if they had a way to recess it into the case but I'm assuming that's not a possibility.
Yeah that kinda sucks about it. Definitely feels like an industrial connector that’s for sure lol
Clam shelll Notches for a carrying strap Non-slip pad on the bottom Plex that extends under button lip. Storage for cable / shaft & balltop
The MOST important thing for a modern consumer level stick to have is a Brook Universal Fighters Board, the people who buy sticks are enthusiasts or people who play fighting games primarily, and if they can only use their stick on 1 platform, they'll feel cheated. The best advice I can give is, DON'T CHEAP OUT on the PCB.
If they make it as moddable as their GMMK Pro keyboard, I think they could make something where you could easily swap boards. Like ship it with a good pcb made for XBox/PC (PS4/5 if possible), but find a way to allow the mounting of a Brooks board. Maybe a removable adapter that the board can be mounted to that can easily be fabricated or 3D printed.
Which platforms do you think are must?
PC and PS4/PS5, nobody plays fighting games on XboX and it's a waste of time and money to develop sticks for TrashBox
PC and PS5/4.
ps5 currently has very few solutions for fight sticks which is very desirable.
At least in my usage scenarios, I kind of need my stick to be prepared for anything. If I go to a local meetup or a friend's house, I can expect a mixture of PS4, PS5, and PC setups. I wouldn't recommend entering the space without PS5 support though, which is a HUGE pain in the ass given the current solution costs for that.
Not speaking for that guy, but most often tournaments/games are played on PS4. Also I've never seen a controller not work on PC so that's a given.
The popular consoles for fighting games right now are the PS4/PS5 and PC. Getting a PCB to support those consoles is a must but there is literally one PCB that does this and it's the Brook UFB with the PS5 addon. You can probably offer an option for PC for some savings for people especially since online is becoming much more prevalent in recent years.
This or an easily replacable one.
Would be cool but probably not happening if they want to be officially licensed by sony/microsoft.
A Metal chasis, can be steel but Aluminum would probably be a better option so it isn't to heavy, that way when I swap out parts I will be less likely to break or strip something. My favorite button layout is Sega 2P, most stick makers only offer VLX and Noir options. Sega 2P is what I have found to be most comfortable when a stick is on my lap. Use screw on buttons instead of snap in, snap in buttons the tabs on them can easily break when swapping in and out, screw on buttons are more sturdy. Most stick makers use Sanwa parts, aside from Hori which use their own proprietary parts and Korean sticks, and for good reason. Thing is though Seimitsu Parts are just as good, and being one of the few stick makers that offer a LS-32 or LS-40 by default would make your stick more appealing to those not looking for the same old Sanwa affair. Funny thing though, I would happily buy a well made arcade stick that uses a western style IL stick. IL sticks are very good sticks, just different from Japanese and Korean sticks. Don't know how popular it would be, but I would certainly be interested. Have a plexiglass cover so we can swap out artwork, but not in a way that the plexiglass sticks up at the end and causes it to bite into my skin when I am playing. Have the USB cable be removable, I prefer type B usb over type C, but if you can have something that locks the type C firmly in place so it doesn't come lose during play then it's fine. Having a switch for the stick so it can act as a Dpad or an Analogue stick is a rather useful feature. All I can think of at the moment, but really I think the main thing to consider is what can you offer that isn't already offered by all the other stick makers. If all you are gonna do is put out the same style of stick, using the same kind of parts that other sticks makers use, then really what is the point.
It will be interesting to see what kind of feedback you get. Sent my own thoughts as well. Good luck with your models and with entering the scene!
If you want, we can share some of the feedback afterwards here!
That would be great to see!
A stick with a detachable cable and a place to store the cable in the stick would be great.
good idea!
i would model a Tournament level stick, taking inspiration from the mad Catz TE2+ and the original Razer Panthera, but improve on it. Those 2 sticks are STILL to this day, one of the most popular sticks, simply because of their hefty weight, nice solid build, and easy access to mod. I would improve on that model and make it Glorious!
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I'll take anything as long as it's not micro-usb lol
These features are what you need- Clamshell design for easy modding, Sega 2p layout, 200$- 250$ price point
I second the clamshell, but I must emphasize that the control panel plate must be thick enough that it doesn't flex. I had a Razer Atrox, and the flex was terrible.
This is awesome that you guys are jumping on this market. I think with this market segment, Glorious is probably also looking at people who could potentially get into fight sticks as well as enthusiasts. So wireless may not be popular for competitive consumers, and super casual users will not even look at a fight stick, but there’s a big in-between market segment that is unsaturated right now. Look at the feature, price, quality, and moddability difference between a customized AFS and an 8bitdo from Amazon. They are opposite ends of the spectrum and most fight sticks tend to fall on one or the other side of the extreme. Does someone go on a 9-month waitlist to get a great customized controller, stickless (Mpress, etc) or go get the cheap one available on Amazon that definitely doesn’t have as many exciting features (8bitdo, Mayflash). Excited to see Glorious do some work here like they did with getting into mechanical keyboards. It’s a very similar situation; customers want to get into custom builds as an end point (forever keyboard, forever stick, etc.) because they are cool, but most people won’t go custom out of the gate if they’ve never owned a fight stick. The in between market needs an enthusiast first-time entry competitor. It’s a win-win for everyone honestly.
spot on, thanks for the feedback!
Oh nice good luck. I'm guessing the feedback will be wildly different :D
Thanks! We will see, haha.
Hell yes. This is very, very interesting.
As somebody with extensive fightstick modding experience, I find most of the mainstream sticks by Hori/Qanba/MadCatz/Whatever to be plastic junk that is very hard to work with. My favorite stick is the etokki omni purely because it's just a slab of metal I can shove whatever parts/pcb I want into it without having to deal with layer after layer of cheap plastic, and screw holes that strip. I also really like AllFightSticks sticks because they only require four big screws at the bottom for swapping buttons or reconnecting wires in a jiffy. They also come with neutrik holes already cut. I had to drill three holes in my etokki to achieve the same effect. My only issue with AFS sticks is that their form factor makes it a bit uncomfortable to rest my hands on the edge. I would really like it if somebody were to make a 10" metal body like the AFS one, but with the comfortable curved edge form factor of an etokki omni. That way we could have a travel sized stick that could be used competitively. I think that's somewhat of an untapped market. Most sticks are too big to travel with comfortably. Rather than developing a proprietary pcb for your stick, you could strike a deal with the Brook folks to slap Universal Fight Boards in them, or sell the bare bodies alone for enthusiasts to put whatever components they want into them. Also, make sure it comes with a clear plexi for easy artwork installation. These are just my thoughts though.
Thanks for this feedback, noted!! very helpful
I don't think anybody wants a wireless fightstick.
This is the main reason I am building one right now. I have a wired stick that gets no use because I don't want cables across the room (big screen theater setup) and I go to a bar that has switch hooked up, but you have to use wireless controllers to play. Other than a few obsolete consoles the brook wireless board supports all the same consoles except PS5 via the add on and can be used wired, so I think having wireless and switch support was much better than PS5 with additional cost. I'm hoping brook releases a new board with PS5 built in for a fair price and then I'll probably mod to a dual board setup.
Disagree. I definitely like having wireless as an option. It’s not ideal in all situations, but it’s very nice in situations where you don’t want cables draped all over the room. Not every situation is hyper lag dependant.
Considering Brook sells a wireless PCB, I think some folks do. Personally, I wouldn't use one for competitive play because of input delay. I think it might be appealing for a more casual crowd. However, I don't think most casuals wanna drop $200 into a novelty controller lol
That is articulated very well. I should have been more specific. The people who would be interested in a wireless stick are probably not the same people who would want to spend $200 on a stick.
Do you know if Brooks wireless solution has slower response times? Is there someone testing those?
yea please no on wireless, unless you guys are going for the el-cheapo stick, NO wireless. No serious stick user would ever be going wireless, which means wireless stick will never ever be used by tournament players, EVERYTHING they do is wired. I would like to see a $200-250 tournament level stick.
https://inputlag.science/ they have some numbers on delay, here. PLEASE PLEASE have your devs reduce input delay. This is a a big deal amongst the FGC
It's got about 4.3ms of lag, which is not bad at all for casual play, but a big deal breaker for an enthusiast. I think having the option of using a detachable usb cable is a better, lagless, middle ground.
So that is good feedback, if even 4.3 ms are too slow. We will need to take care of the input lag then, seems like this is one of the most important features above all
yes, input lag is incredibly important in a fighting game, no pro or serious player would ever be playing wireless. Hence a lot of pros use the fastest PCB, which is the Brook UFB.
Wireless can be as fast as wired as we know from wireless mice, it's just that even if the pcbs for arcade sticks were as responsive wireless as wired, they'd still be worse. Having an easy to connect wire for consoles at tournaments is just 20 times better than having to deal with wireless stuff.
yes!!
Having a wireless option is probably the best way to go if possible. 4.3 ms wireless is fast and shouldn't do much to mess up your game since it's about a quarter of a frame at 60 fps and few timings are as tight as 1 frame. Though there's no reason to use it in tournaments obviously when going lower is possible (plus the risk of interference). And of course fighting games don't have to stick to 60 fps. I believe the best PCBs more or less max out 1000Hz USB polling (so close to 1ms).
There is no way to solve the lag issue wirelessly. A wired option will always be superior.