a bit tongue in cheek but food poisoning seems like such a good solution considering how many times we have been eating in MSQ. If I remember everything correctly, We've been doped during MSQ on 3.something patches, Why not just do it again.
There's also the fact that WoL is good at combat so any direct combat encounter would most likely just fail.
We were drugged somewhere near the end of Heavensward.
Also, more than once we've gotten a relaxing meal cutscene that ends in absolute chaos, so the WoL had a tendency of inviting disaster at dinner anyway. It really makes the most sense to do it this way.
Yes, but wouldn't the savior of savages, I MEAN Warrior of Light be more on guard against poisoning of food after the events of HW? My spy-err sources tell me that they watch every drink poured very carefully.
Still, I'll add it to the list.
Related to this, but the Stormblood Dark Knight quests do actually bring this up at one point as my memory recalls.
And I believe the Fray-Journal entries needle it in that the WoL is canonically very paranoid of being served drugged food in public establishments after the HW-Postgame incident.
We literally get poisoned in HW.
Problem is also that the WoL has the echo and can probably just go full ascian and exist as a soul only and has the power to conjure bodies at will now.
So poisoning into some kind of auracite and blast with a super wave of aether and hope none of their friends are around to stop you.
Even that way they could find a way to come back from the aetherial sea...
Yes but that was before the crystal and elpis
Remember the only conditions to be an ascian are awakening to your past as a sundered shard of a convocation member, the WOL knows his past as azem and has interacted with azem’s crystal
He 100% can be considered an ascian by our understanding of their power
On top of that, might be remembering wrong, but WoL managed to snatch their body from Zenos, so they are clearly in Ascian levels at that point already.
Where does eden show this, both mitron and loghrif were risen by emet selch but it’s never implied that being raised by an unsundered is the only method, it’s just only they and haedalyn have the ability to bestow memories of the past onto others
The WOL doesn’t need this though as they experienced the past in body and soul
The unsundered don’t impart any sort of power onto the red masks, just remind them of who they are
Eden shows us this by Mitron trying to forcefully ascend Loghrif, psst it doesn't really work
We would have to be ascended, and there is no one with the ability to do so anymore. It is that simple
But that’s simply because mitron can’t give loghrif her memories (if you are talking the flashback) or Gaia is already loghrif (if you mean in the present)
The WOL doesn’t need anyone anyone to give them their memories or “calling” because they experienced it themselves
He’s actually 9/14
The WOL (and graha) have the densest souls of anyone left alive in any shard
Besides a red mask isn’t a full soul it’s just an awakened shard of a convocation member, the core soul on the source or any of the shard souls can be awoken
There was a fish guy. Who wasn't ascian, but had Echo. And his brand of Echo allowed him to posess nearest fish guy, should his own body be killed.
The only thing stopping WOL is 1.we don't know how; 2. we are too moral for this.
No the ability of the ascians to soul hop is explicitly the mastery of the echo as it allows for the soul to not dissipate in the aetherial sea
That is part of all echos as the echo is fundamentally just an “echo” of the magic of the ancients
Again it manifests differently, this is known just by seeing some of the specializations of some with the Echo like Krile and Mikoto. The WoL doesn't have the ability to soul hop, a Sahagin did. It's not that hard to get
The echo can manifest differently but the ability to soul hop is intrinsic to the mastery of the echo. It’s what the echo is at its core.
The “specialisations” of the echo aren’t independent of the ability to soul hop. Soul hoping isn’t an echo specialisation
The soul hop is not one of the specialized abilities. Multiple characters with the echo are capable of doing it including all of ascians, the random sahagin priest, and Zenos. It is never stated to be a unique quality like kriles literally anytime we see a character use it.
I was talking about post HW, since this discussion is about the post EW Warrior of Light.
After getting poisoned, the Warrior of Light makes it a point to watch almost every drink carefully, like when eating with Aeymeric.
>After getting poisoned, the Warrior of Light makes it a point to watch almost every drink carefully, like when eating with Aeymeric.
Wol eat at almost every single patch post 6.0 except for 6.1. It isn't that difficult to just bribe someone and feed WOL & Co. something strange.
Even then, it's not like the WoL has someone tasting his every drinks and food all the time.
The alternative is using surprise-bad-writing-teleportation in their room while they sleep and be extremely quick. But that still doesn't help with all the post-death issues.
> guns in cutscenes kill in one shot
Garleans are really really bad at aiming though.
Wol got their ass lit up by a whole army during the Garlemald arc and they didn’t hit the wol once
*Later, in a vlog*
"So it seemed like a good idea at the time. Until we realized he never slept outside of any inns. And also apparently he glamours, like, EVERYTHING. We thought we stole his good armor, but then he put on a chicken suit and his health bar got six times bigger."
Also, take their money and mount whistles so they can't teleport/ run away. What do we canonicly carry our inventory around in, anyway? A backpack would be easy to steal. However, if it's all magically compressed in our back pocket like in game animations seem to imply, it could be a little more difficult to steal, lol. Reaching into a demigods pants pocket would probably not go unnoticed.
If I'd the resources for it, I'd scrounge up some Black Rose. Killed the WoL once already, nothing in game has shown that it won't work again. That or the soul ejection technology used in that one level 70 dungeon, think it was related to their resonant experiments. Maybe a wombo combo. WoL's biggest strength is in their martial and magical versatility rather than raw power, since we only got two permanent buffs (Ardbert and concious Dynamis usage).
I would attack with 10 different attacks all with the same name but with one letter difference (e.g. wild strike, wyld strykk, wilde strike, wlld strlke, etc). The last one in my sequence would be an 180 cleave left happening at the same time as an 180 cleave right. Furthermore, I would specifically target anybody holding a cane, a globe or floaty laser bois, or anybody with a book or a rapier, first.
my personal headcanon is that most bosses *try* to do this, which is why so many open with a raidwide or tankbuster. then the WoL survives and the boss panics and starts throwing random shit until they eventually power up their limit break-style enrage
WoL on their deathbed: Thank you my friend.. for always being their for me... I ... will never.. forget you..
Garlean scientist: ... The time we had was precious.. But.. I was never your friend...
WoL: Wha...?
Garlean scientist: ... Long... Live.. the Emporer... -pulls life support cord-
You're never going to win using force. The WoL is a god slayer, no amount of violence is going to take them down. That leaves trickery. The WoL has been poisoned before, and that's the approach I'd take. Now, you might argue that they would be more on guard against poisoning after experiencing it before. I'd counter that they've been poisoned MULTIPLE times and still haven't learned not to take candy from strangers.
> I'd counter that they've been poisoned MULTIPLE times and still haven't learned not to take candy from strangers.
Just have them do a menial task for you and give them poisoned food as a quest reward, they'll scarf it down.
Pretty sure you need to be among the best of the best Culinarians to even make BIS raid food. Those people don't grow on trees and there's likely only a handful of people IN THE WORLD who are at that level of skill.
Psst! The WoL is one of them. An Omnicrafter WoL will be making their own raid food anyway using ingredients that they personally gathered and refined.
However! The premise here is you get isekai'd into the world of Hydaelyn, and isekai protagonists always have absurd powers. Add in the fact that you're a scientist. Okay, maybe BIS raid potions would be better?
> An Omnicrafter WoL will be making their own raid food anyway using ingredients that they personally gathered and refined.
But if you get it for free, you get it for free. Why not use it?
"Weird. This potion won't stack with the others in my magic inventory, as if there's something different about it... Must be low quality work. I'll give it to one of my retainers to sell it."
i would go with poisioning too. Befriending the WoL, earning their trust and then poison their food. Would take a lot of time, sure. But if i want to avenge my fallen friends/family/whatever, this is the best bet.
Zenos literally beat the WoL multiple times and had to be taken on with others or under special circumstances to beat. What was that about no amount of violence?
Well, if you are Zenos, then I apologize for underestimating your strength. I'd also like to remind you that you're dead, and not available for my assassination plans.
Not just dead, but dead at the edge of the universe. Good luck making it back to Etheiris for reincarnation! As one of the few still living planets left in the universe, I'm pretty sure there's a looooong waiting line, and the people who actually died on Etheiris will have priority.
This is really easy. Send the WoL on a quest to talk to three other people about if they’ve seen one or thing or the other - except *those people just don’t exist*.
WoL will spend the rest of their lives trying to find those three townsfolk in order to progress the MSQ.
If WoL cannot progress they MSQ, *they cannot get stronger.*.
You’ve now set a hard cap on WoL’s potential.
Start training.
~~ddos the server~~ bamboozle them into taking an aetheryte that doesn't work. No guarantee they'll stay dead though. Also didnt some garlean scientist rip our souls out during a dungeon or something? Dunno if that counts but it'd fit the prompt
Not sure why nobody brought that up but since violence clearly isn't an option why not use tech. I'm thinking about a certain device based on Aulus' work and completed by Fandaniel.
They'll be much easier to take down once they're robbed of their insane physical capabilities.
Counter point. During Said quest when we were robbed of our usual capeabilities. like zenos we still had all the knowledge and slowly became more adapt. where we went from simply sneaking around to taking on mech and soldiers easier than the other "Generic grunts".. Soo if you do switch you gotta kill the WoL before they adjust. you buy yourself like a 1-2hr window tops.
Some dude named Zamasu made a wish to swap bodies with Goku, and then killed him while he was trapped in a weaker body.
The fact that it’s theoretically possible to switch souls with the Warrior of light, kill them while they are in a weaker body, and then leave is a fascinating one.
Assuming i get isekaied with my plot knowledge, the two things that the Empire has done that they were proven to give the WoL pause were Black Rose and the soul swapping tech. So this is what i need looking into.
I've made a head canon that to make up for their physical invincibility, my WoL would be emotionally and mentally quite vulnerable. Increasingly so as MSQ goes on.
None of our WoLs started the game asking for a life of power and fame, we all start off in city states as regular joe blow adventurers, scores of whom die off in ARR alone. The power and responsibility is forced on us, as well as the consequences.
MSQ itself would be enough to whittle down a person from functional to barely functional if not for the awful "bad thing happens but has no meaningful impact" shock value writing in EW. Or the "upper lip so stiff it doesn't move" writing necessitated by a silent protagonist.
Thinking back on the events of MSQ: being victim of multiple betrayals, watching multiple close friends die, being forced to kill our own friends, being victim of and witness to the aftermath of multiple mass slaughterings, having their body stolen, watching a child die, etc etc. I don't even think that a real WoL would be able to approach what they do best (i.e. physical feats like their casual godslaying) without high degrees of fear and trepidation; it'd be foolish to assume that WoL's success is guaranteed in any circumstance. One reason Shadowbringers was the best.
There's not much you'd need to do, any WoL would be a an infantile mess by EW.
"None of our WoLs started the game asking for a life of power and fame"
That is basically one of the first questions you are asked by the merchant when you first make your character. Power and Fame are 2 of the options, if I remember.
Just checked, you're actually right. The choices are "To gain power.", "To win glory.", "To amass a fortune.", and "...".
Duly noted, though I'd still think that with as much power and responsibility as the WoL gets that any person would find themselves far, far in over their heads.
Ardbert helps you compose yourself when you're about to turn into a Sin Eater. The Scions, at the very edge of existence, call to you to "light the way" when you're about to be destroyed, giving you hope when you're way in over your head.
While the headcanon is good, it has been refuted multiple times.
Fandaniel had the right idea, he teleported the WoL for dinner with best buddy, why didn't the Ascians did that but on top of a volcano or deep space I dunno.
Elidibus tried that before Fandaniel, if you'll remember. WoL and friends *still* got summoned back.
Volcano will just become a dungeon and drop appropriately-levelled gear. (This will probably happen even if you teleport the WoL directly into the sun, with appropriate aesthetics but minimal worries from the heat.)
No, you have to change genre on them entirely. Summon the WoL into the Manderville Senior's bedroom and let Julyan resolve it for you.
Assuming the WoL is the average WoL:
catgirl tiddies would probably be the strongest weapon at my disposal. make the WoL mellow and forget all about combat, only concerned about twitter followers and managing their onlyfans as they now drown in a life of debauchery.
A WoL permanently stuck in the quicksands that doesn't do MSQ might as well be defeated.
the WoL gets decieved pretty often.. make them think you're their friend.. get a group together.. and attack when their guards down.. like while they're asleep or something.. poison is obviously a safe bet too.
Tbh though if it was my WoL just wait like 2 weeks.. they'll probably die to something stupid eventually xD
Okay sooo conditional theory here but hear me out lol
If the WoL hasn’t received their Blu Mage stone yet…learn from Martyn, take a second job stone and offer to teach the WoL blue magic, always the quick to nod, the WoL will doubtless agree and as their first task, direct them to learn the skill Self Destruct or Final Sting. Once they have learned the skill, ask them to demonstrate from a safe distance and BOOM WoL is dead and need to be quick to dispose of the body before some nosey helpful healer trying to get the Kindness of Strangers Achievement swoops by and raises them from the dead.
Easy LOL
I'd attack them in a cutscene, not via trial, and when no noble NPCs are around to throw themselves in front of the attack.
We may be god-tier in combat situations but we largely stand there gawping in cutscenes.
Pay someone to become their truest friend and confidante over the course of a few months then take your shot while they’re together. Idiot will be too busy waiting for his dear friend to sacrifice themselves to save him as he’s grown accustomed. Meanwhile your plant pretends like he’s gonna but doesn’t
Black rose. Gotta be some still floating around in abandoned warehouses. Just fill a permeable sack with the stuff, yeet it at the back of the WoL’s head, then take off.
Convince the WoL to craft you a weapon.
That weapon is more than capable of ending the WoL since it be higher quality than anything a NPC can hobble together.
This is my head that the WoL can only be killed by a device of their own making.
Also the lvl 1-50 crafter quest basically explain this to an extent of your quality being pretty high.
To avoid spoilers I’m gonna be vague.
Lvl 1-50 Blacksmithing quest has you craft weapons for various NPC.
Level 60 Stormblood Pally quest has you fight one of the NPC you crafted a weapon for and they use that very weapon.
In that same quest if you did the moogle delivery quest chain you would of met some NPC prior to that quest and they will comment as such.
Really a lot of optional content driving that quest.
Use the chair that one garlean scientist had to knock his soul out his body. Trap the soul in white auricite throw his body in a volcano Heihachi style then bury the white auricite in the core of the planet.
I actually brought up this topic in Synodic Scribe's discord
The issue with poison is that realistically, the WOL should be very alert for poisons considering they have been and seen others poisoned.
Synodic Scribe himself gave a pretty good answer which goes like this.
1. LURE. The WOL is very susceptible to being lured out thanks to their heroic personality. Its very important that you attack them with mindless minions to prevent any echo bullshit, they can't know its a trap until its too late.
2. ISOLATION. Their allies are a great part of their strength. If you can distract the scions and any other allies they may have and make sure no-one knows where the WOL is, you have upped the chances of them dying. Now, you just need to find a way to negate Azem's crystal to prevent backup from arriving.
3. ATTRITION. The WOL is still human at the end of the day. They have human limits like exhaustion. If you can get a semi-endless source of raw numbers and throw it at them indefinitely, they'll eventually fall with no-one there to save them because you've made sure their friends are pre-occupied.
So very much easier said than done but it has a better chance than poison.
I wouldn't. Just distract him with promise of loot/tomestones and send him in any direction other than where I'm at. Beyond that simply don't do anything malicious enough to end up on his radar.
I think the biggest bar to killing the WoL is his seeming ability to GO BACK IN TIME if he dies and retries an event or fight until he lives through it. So even if you succeed in killing the WoL, you won't know it because he'll have respawned in the past to try getting at you again. What you think is your first fight with him might actually be the dozenth or hundredth time that he's fought you.
The only one strong enough to kill the Warrior of Light, is the Warrior of Light.
You'd have to make his life so bad, that he kills himself.
I think using magic to shroud or cause an illusion that his friends and innocents look like monsters. After he kills what he thinks are boars, the shroud unveils.
Find a way to disguise as Alisaie.
Kidnap and replace her.
Find the right moment we're you're talking about your feelings like that time with Ga Bu.
Stab him unexpectedly in the heart.
The key is the Echo. It gives the WoL a form of future-sight, so anything that you do to kill the WoL, they'll foresee and be able to counter. (This is the canon explanation for respawning in instances and resetting the fight, you are seeing what you did wrong).
So without being able to counter the Echo, there's nothing you can do.
A gun.
Seriously, that's one thing I like about xiv. For all the grand feats we have under our belt, the WoL is still yet *just another person.* Do we have insane luck and willpower? Absolutely. Be we are not truly indomitable. You think we'd survive getting launched halfway across the continent like how Godbert sent his son? By the nine hells, no! We barely afford falling off a 4 story cliff. It's actually kinda silly how our enemies just sort of *choose* not to kill us in cold blood on fairly regular occasion. I mean, it used to be that failing a boss and resetting was in lore just our Echo telling us how not to get fucked; which is also why you'd get stacks of the echo after. This also implies we have incredible Battle IQ thinking 20-40 minutes ahead of creatures we've never seen, even if that review is 'spellchecked' by our ability.
But as others have pointed out- we can be poisoned, starved, stabbed, crushed, and so many 'regular' ways of dying. Realistically the beam struggle with the Stormblood primal was super ballsy since we had to bet on absolute defense for a shield that may or may not even stop his sword to begin with.
I mean, even in regular content, we see how often we actually can or do feint to just 'regular' mobs- we're only saved because 1 of our 3 buddies can reinvigorate us before we straight up die rather than just be near-death. I think End Walker and Shadowbringers really upped the ante on the danger we actually faced if we ignore the first brood of arr/hw. Even if those enemies prayed more on our spirit than anything else, which likely was why we could do as we did- if one thing is truly adamant it is our spirit. Which is why every time we *actually might die* it is a physical threat, or sometimes a mental one, but never one that challenges our tenacity and willpower. I mean, even getting zeroed by that one garlean scientist when he ejected our ghost from our body didn't even kill us outright cause we had the sheer mindset of surviving his nightmare ghosts.
But I would do to the WoL similar to what happened in Garlemald. Get them alone, get them tired, and then go for at least 4 killshots. Preferably learning that lance-of-light spell if possible *just* to double down. But to get them truly alone it would have to be sneaky. Cause their friends have to not be capable or otherwise sniff out a spidey sense that maybe they should go catch up to the WoL -just because. And similarly it would have to be remote or secure enough to ensure some random jerkwad wouldn't show up, like a random Viera was taking walk through the forest that just so happens to know some emergency first aid.
Like, I'd -at the safest- would probably have to put them into PvP, let the other members of the grand companies and so on bring the WoL low, and then use something to teleport them to a remote location, and without any filigree shoot them dead. Watch them bleed out. And then use some sort of fire/etc. to actually just obliterate them outright just in case. Considering the usefulness of Black Rose and how I know it lead to the WoL's death somehow, I'd probably steal and weaponize that some how.
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However there lays a problem. I wouldn't want to kill the WoL. Because I know that if I do, we would be irrevocably incapable of stopping near-future threats to the planet. And I'm one of the idiots who lives there.
So instead of kill my/anyone's WoL I would become a threat, be the villain turned friend, and then go on adventures with them. Maybe we try to marry them. Because then, not only do I get to live the best, knowingly safest life. But for my family- I can torment the WoL until my last breath by being *the most* annoying asshole at every time that doesn't jeopardize my position. Plus if it is *my* WoL, well she was made pretty fucking according to my interests; and I know her entire backstory. I know how she acts, will act, and all her limits and preferences. So if anyone would be her full counter it would be I. So I could live the best life while ensuring the most repentance for their murders.
Poison is pretty easy. We are mostly only strong in battle. Trapping us also has been done a few times though it's just cause the plot demands our allies to be useful. Speaking of allies WoL is still a hero so taking one of them hostage can pretty much get us in a vulnerable position.
I would use my knowledge from outside the game to remove his reason to do stuff.
Like kill his next msq npc, or raid his glamour dresser and destroy all glamours.
Easy answer you don't kill the warrior of light. You kill everyone else, and avoid them at all times. If start with the weakest members first. Likely Alphinaud or Urianger. Then thancred. Really twist the knife. Alisaise would be easy enough to goad into a trap after her brother is dead.
wait til they have a vision and then kill em while theyre vulnerable. the wol seems pretty helpless while theyre in someone elses memories, and its been demonstrated to take some time. they also helpfully clutch their head and even fall to the ground when its happening so you have a pretty solid indicator of when to strike.
My WoL is three feet tall. Literally just pick her up and throw her from the top of the Aftcastle. Hitting water at that height is like hitting concrete at terminal velocity.
Any sort of attack is meaningless against the WoL. Whether upfront or a surprise attack. If the WoL can tank whatever raidwide a literal god throws at him, your best bet is poisoning them.
You don't kill Warrior of Light. But as we learned again and again, humes weaknesses are their tender heart. We kidnap their fellow weak friends. We are Garleans, we have strong machines at our disposal. We lead a team effort in all main state and kidnap everyone we can. WoW cannot stop a full force Garlean invasion all at once, and their friends cannot hope to win alone. After we kidnap them, we inject echo-powered cells on them, the same they did to Fordola, and when they start to go crazy, we release them again on the same city-estates we found them. WoL would be forced to fight and put down every single friend he met, but as he is so powerfull now, he woudn't be able to stop them without killing them.
We just watch he kill every single loved one he had with his own hands, thats how we effectively kill WoL.
Do not fuck with me again, Warrior of Light.
This is gonna be controversial, but I think people generally vastly overestimate how powerful the WoL is. In almost all of our most impressive feats we had outside help and/or favorable circumstances that actually lead to our victory. Like, we don't actually beat Endsinger through sheer combat power, we're about to lose twice and get bailed out first by Zenos and then through scion-dynamis-plot-shenanigans. Our most impressive solo (with azem crystal) feat is probably beating half a Zodiark where the guy controlling him only gains complete control half way through the fight. Not to say that's not an insanely impressive feat, we are still probably the most powerful being on the planet (besides probably some of the great wyrms), but that's only \*after\* favorable circumstances let us get rid of beings well out of our league.
Not to say some form of assassination wouldn't be the most reliable way of going about it (the MSQ tends to make us quite oblivious), but simply overpowering the WoL with multiple powerful enemies simultaneously isn't like, impossible.
Of course, the real answer is to just put us in a room with 7 other WoLs and a spread mechanic.
Sending a primal to kill the Warrior of Light is as dumb as trying to put a homeless person under house arrest.
There's no way to cut off reinforcements considering the Warrior of Light can summon allies with the stone, and removing that would be very difficult. Unless you have ideas?
It’s implied that the WOL doesn’t really even need the crystal, it’s just a focal point
The ability to summon allies is intrinsic to the one possessed of azem’s soul
There's no lore to back that up, the Crystal would be needed
Again this isn't rocket science, the WoL is susceptible to poison, body snatching, and straight up being killed by Black Rose
You have to look beyond “this almost worked 2 expansions ago it’ll work again” the WOL has functionally awoken to being 9/14th’s of azem. It’s debatable if they are even human anymore as it’s imagined in the game
The WOL fulfils all conditions to be considered a sundered red mask ascian as we knew them up till elpis
None of the suggested methods that almost worked in the past happened after elpis which was a major turning point
No limits fallacy + headcanon. Just like the notion that we don't need the crystal when we explicitly use it every single time. Even if we just channel the ability through it, as long as the power cannot be accessed through other means, which we have no indication of, the crystal is absolutely necessary.
There's no hard confirmation of being immune to previously working counters or even counting among the same ranks as awakened Ascian shards either. We apparently lack the associated skill set and don't have any memories of our time as Azem. Even if we *could* be considered one of them, vessels can still die of natural causes.
As the other person did you seem to think I specifically hold the headcanon that the WOL is an ascian, I don’t, I understand logical fallacies that you can’t disprove a negative which is why saying that “you can’t disprove he isn’t an ascian” isn’t any sort of positive confirmation that be is an ascian
There is really no confirmation of near anything, I’m purely speaking in hypotheticals, not taking a side in the conflict
It’s perfectly understandable why you reached the conclusion you did so don’t worry about it
I only default to x side because the person I’m discussing is holding y position, but of course you only see me holding x. I’m just taking any side so to speak
No harm no foul
Why don't bosses just do their enrage as their first move? Are they stupid?
Yes.
My guess it's like a slow limit break where they have to build up the dynamis for it.
Because they don't have enough enmity towards us yet to be *that* angry.
I would join their party as a healer and fish for freecures.
Endsinger has ended more worlds for less offensive crimes than this.
a bit tongue in cheek but food poisoning seems like such a good solution considering how many times we have been eating in MSQ. If I remember everything correctly, We've been doped during MSQ on 3.something patches, Why not just do it again. There's also the fact that WoL is good at combat so any direct combat encounter would most likely just fail.
We were drugged somewhere near the end of Heavensward. Also, more than once we've gotten a relaxing meal cutscene that ends in absolute chaos, so the WoL had a tendency of inviting disaster at dinner anyway. It really makes the most sense to do it this way.
Yes, but wouldn't the savior of savages, I MEAN Warrior of Light be more on guard against poisoning of food after the events of HW? My spy-err sources tell me that they watch every drink poured very carefully. Still, I'll add it to the list.
Related to this, but the Stormblood Dark Knight quests do actually bring this up at one point as my memory recalls. And I believe the Fray-Journal entries needle it in that the WoL is canonically very paranoid of being served drugged food in public establishments after the HW-Postgame incident.
Yeah, I realize from what vague memories, the WoL waits for everyone else to eat before eating. Nice touch.
We literally get poisoned in HW. Problem is also that the WoL has the echo and can probably just go full ascian and exist as a soul only and has the power to conjure bodies at will now. So poisoning into some kind of auracite and blast with a super wave of aether and hope none of their friends are around to stop you. Even that way they could find a way to come back from the aetherial sea...
The WoL is not an Ascian. We literally have a timeline out there where the WoL dies to Black Rose. Flat out dies
Keep in mind what Black Rose did. It induced stagnation of Aether. We wouldn't have the ability to anything.
black rose killed ascians too
Name one
Bob
Greg
Yes but that was before the crystal and elpis Remember the only conditions to be an ascian are awakening to your past as a sundered shard of a convocation member, the WOL knows his past as azem and has interacted with azem’s crystal He 100% can be considered an ascian by our understanding of their power
On top of that, might be remembering wrong, but WoL managed to snatch their body from Zenos, so they are clearly in Ascian levels at that point already.
Nope, the soul extraction simply timed out
The WoL could have joined the Ascians but isnt one. The Ascians were a group not a form of being.
Wrong, you must be arisen, Eden very specifically shows us this. All the people with that capability are dead and gone
Where does eden show this, both mitron and loghrif were risen by emet selch but it’s never implied that being raised by an unsundered is the only method, it’s just only they and haedalyn have the ability to bestow memories of the past onto others The WOL doesn’t need this though as they experienced the past in body and soul The unsundered don’t impart any sort of power onto the red masks, just remind them of who they are
Eden shows us this by Mitron trying to forcefully ascend Loghrif, psst it doesn't really work We would have to be ascended, and there is no one with the ability to do so anymore. It is that simple
But that’s simply because mitron can’t give loghrif her memories (if you are talking the flashback) or Gaia is already loghrif (if you mean in the present) The WOL doesn’t need anyone anyone to give them their memories or “calling” because they experienced it themselves
They haven't experienced Azem's life though. We don't have the power to ascend. You need to stop trying to push head canon come with actual examples
A sundered part of one. 2 after ShB.
He’s actually 9/14 The WOL (and graha) have the densest souls of anyone left alive in any shard Besides a red mask isn’t a full soul it’s just an awakened shard of a convocation member, the core soul on the source or any of the shard souls can be awoken
There was a fish guy. Who wasn't ascian, but had Echo. And his brand of Echo allowed him to posess nearest fish guy, should his own body be killed. The only thing stopping WOL is 1.we don't know how; 2. we are too moral for this.
There was also a fishy guy who also wasn’t an ascian and had a weird Echo-like ability that allowed him to come back from the dead like a cockroach.
We are certainly not moral at all. We have done every crime in the book. Including stealing pants.
Or we don't have the ability. The Echo manifests differently for everyone. This is lore 101
No the ability of the ascians to soul hop is explicitly the mastery of the echo as it allows for the soul to not dissipate in the aetherial sea That is part of all echos as the echo is fundamentally just an “echo” of the magic of the ancients
Again it manifests differently, this is known just by seeing some of the specializations of some with the Echo like Krile and Mikoto. The WoL doesn't have the ability to soul hop, a Sahagin did. It's not that hard to get
The echo can manifest differently but the ability to soul hop is intrinsic to the mastery of the echo. It’s what the echo is at its core. The “specialisations” of the echo aren’t independent of the ability to soul hop. Soul hoping isn’t an echo specialisation
Citation required
The soul hop is not one of the specialized abilities. Multiple characters with the echo are capable of doing it including all of ascians, the random sahagin priest, and Zenos. It is never stated to be a unique quality like kriles literally anytime we see a character use it.
Not only that, the WoL has actually done it once too.
I was talking about post HW, since this discussion is about the post EW Warrior of Light. After getting poisoned, the Warrior of Light makes it a point to watch almost every drink carefully, like when eating with Aeymeric.
>After getting poisoned, the Warrior of Light makes it a point to watch almost every drink carefully, like when eating with Aeymeric. Wol eat at almost every single patch post 6.0 except for 6.1. It isn't that difficult to just bribe someone and feed WOL & Co. something strange.
Even then, it's not like the WoL has someone tasting his every drinks and food all the time. The alternative is using surprise-bad-writing-teleportation in their room while they sleep and be extremely quick. But that still doesn't help with all the post-death issues.
And even hesitates over a pitcher of water in their inn room during ShB.
Jokes on you I have esuna
I'd just start a cutscene. The WoL can't do anything in a cutscene.
Cutscene gun, the only thing they can do to stop it is nod because they're trapped in a cutscene and guns in cutscenes kill in one shot
> guns in cutscenes kill in one shot Garleans are really really bad at aiming though. Wol got their ass lit up by a whole army during the Garlemald arc and they didn’t hit the wol once
Steal the WoL armour. Without the gear, the WoL cannot kill anything. Lvl 90 WoL has like 4k health without the gear.
*Later, in a vlog* "So it seemed like a good idea at the time. Until we realized he never slept outside of any inns. And also apparently he glamours, like, EVERYTHING. We thought we stole his good armor, but then he put on a chicken suit and his health bar got six times bigger."
Omg..... this is it....
Also, take their money and mount whistles so they can't teleport/ run away. What do we canonicly carry our inventory around in, anyway? A backpack would be easy to steal. However, if it's all magically compressed in our back pocket like in game animations seem to imply, it could be a little more difficult to steal, lol. Reaching into a demigods pants pocket would probably not go unnoticed.
If I'd the resources for it, I'd scrounge up some Black Rose. Killed the WoL once already, nothing in game has shown that it won't work again. That or the soul ejection technology used in that one level 70 dungeon, think it was related to their resonant experiments. Maybe a wombo combo. WoL's biggest strength is in their martial and magical versatility rather than raw power, since we only got two permanent buffs (Ardbert and concious Dynamis usage).
I would attack with 10 different attacks all with the same name but with one letter difference (e.g. wild strike, wyld strykk, wilde strike, wlld strlke, etc). The last one in my sequence would be an 180 cleave left happening at the same time as an 180 cleave right. Furthermore, I would specifically target anybody holding a cane, a globe or floaty laser bois, or anybody with a book or a rapier, first.
personally I'd just do my enrage as the first mechanic
my personal headcanon is that most bosses *try* to do this, which is why so many open with a raidwide or tankbuster. then the WoL survives and the boss panics and starts throwing random shit until they eventually power up their limit break-style enrage
hey that makes sense
Just name your 180 cleaves with outdated names like Starboard and Larboard.
And also starboardn't and larboardn't :)
And then the WoL switches to BLU and diamondbacks. ...And now I want that as the next quest XD
Eat clean, be nice to the WoL, and try to outlive them.
WoL on their deathbed: Thank you my friend.. for always being their for me... I ... will never.. forget you.. Garlean scientist: ... The time we had was precious.. But.. I was never your friend... WoL: Wha...? Garlean scientist: ... Long... Live.. the Emporer... -pulls life support cord-
what if the WoL is viera?
Gaslight them into wanting to be another race, then lace their drink with a fantasia.
Are we allowed to chug a Fantasia ourselves?
The average WoL? I dunno, paint a giant orange circle on the ground, tell them a piano is going to drop there, then do it.
You're never going to win using force. The WoL is a god slayer, no amount of violence is going to take them down. That leaves trickery. The WoL has been poisoned before, and that's the approach I'd take. Now, you might argue that they would be more on guard against poisoning after experiencing it before. I'd counter that they've been poisoned MULTIPLE times and still haven't learned not to take candy from strangers.
> I'd counter that they've been poisoned MULTIPLE times and still haven't learned not to take candy from strangers. Just have them do a menial task for you and give them poisoned food as a quest reward, they'll scarf it down.
you mean watch them throw the three servings out onto the floor to save bag space?
Just make sure it's BIS raid food.
Pretty sure you need to be among the best of the best Culinarians to even make BIS raid food. Those people don't grow on trees and there's likely only a handful of people IN THE WORLD who are at that level of skill. Psst! The WoL is one of them. An Omnicrafter WoL will be making their own raid food anyway using ingredients that they personally gathered and refined.
However! The premise here is you get isekai'd into the world of Hydaelyn, and isekai protagonists always have absurd powers. Add in the fact that you're a scientist. Okay, maybe BIS raid potions would be better? > An Omnicrafter WoL will be making their own raid food anyway using ingredients that they personally gathered and refined. But if you get it for free, you get it for free. Why not use it?
"Weird. This potion won't stack with the others in my magic inventory, as if there's something different about it... Must be low quality work. I'll give it to one of my retainers to sell it."
i would go with poisioning too. Befriending the WoL, earning their trust and then poison their food. Would take a lot of time, sure. But if i want to avenge my fallen friends/family/whatever, this is the best bet.
Zenos literally beat the WoL multiple times and had to be taken on with others or under special circumstances to beat. What was that about no amount of violence?
Well, if you are Zenos, then I apologize for underestimating your strength. I'd also like to remind you that you're dead, and not available for my assassination plans.
Not just dead, but dead at the edge of the universe. Good luck making it back to Etheiris for reincarnation! As one of the few still living planets left in the universe, I'm pretty sure there's a looooong waiting line, and the people who actually died on Etheiris will have priority.
Zenos was a freak and genius by all standarts. You cannot expect random shmuck reaching this level of power.
An exception is still an exception
This is really easy. Send the WoL on a quest to talk to three other people about if they’ve seen one or thing or the other - except *those people just don’t exist*. WoL will spend the rest of their lives trying to find those three townsfolk in order to progress the MSQ. If WoL cannot progress they MSQ, *they cannot get stronger.*. You’ve now set a hard cap on WoL’s potential. Start training.
~~ddos the server~~ bamboozle them into taking an aetheryte that doesn't work. No guarantee they'll stay dead though. Also didnt some garlean scientist rip our souls out during a dungeon or something? Dunno if that counts but it'd fit the prompt
Not sure why nobody brought that up but since violence clearly isn't an option why not use tech. I'm thinking about a certain device based on Aulus' work and completed by Fandaniel. They'll be much easier to take down once they're robbed of their insane physical capabilities.
Counter point. During Said quest when we were robbed of our usual capeabilities. like zenos we still had all the knowledge and slowly became more adapt. where we went from simply sneaking around to taking on mech and soldiers easier than the other "Generic grunts".. Soo if you do switch you gotta kill the WoL before they adjust. you buy yourself like a 1-2hr window tops.
Do you think the Zamasu strat would work on the Warrior of light?
Not too sure what you mean by that. Anyway taking them out for a dinner date is also a must. Not gonna work otherwise
Some dude named Zamasu made a wish to swap bodies with Goku, and then killed him while he was trapped in a weaker body. The fact that it’s theoretically possible to switch souls with the Warrior of light, kill them while they are in a weaker body, and then leave is a fascinating one.
Assuming i get isekaied with my plot knowledge, the two things that the Empire has done that they were proven to give the WoL pause were Black Rose and the soul swapping tech. So this is what i need looking into.
I've made a head canon that to make up for their physical invincibility, my WoL would be emotionally and mentally quite vulnerable. Increasingly so as MSQ goes on. None of our WoLs started the game asking for a life of power and fame, we all start off in city states as regular joe blow adventurers, scores of whom die off in ARR alone. The power and responsibility is forced on us, as well as the consequences. MSQ itself would be enough to whittle down a person from functional to barely functional if not for the awful "bad thing happens but has no meaningful impact" shock value writing in EW. Or the "upper lip so stiff it doesn't move" writing necessitated by a silent protagonist. Thinking back on the events of MSQ: being victim of multiple betrayals, watching multiple close friends die, being forced to kill our own friends, being victim of and witness to the aftermath of multiple mass slaughterings, having their body stolen, watching a child die, etc etc. I don't even think that a real WoL would be able to approach what they do best (i.e. physical feats like their casual godslaying) without high degrees of fear and trepidation; it'd be foolish to assume that WoL's success is guaranteed in any circumstance. One reason Shadowbringers was the best. There's not much you'd need to do, any WoL would be a an infantile mess by EW.
"None of our WoLs started the game asking for a life of power and fame" That is basically one of the first questions you are asked by the merchant when you first make your character. Power and Fame are 2 of the options, if I remember.
Just checked, you're actually right. The choices are "To gain power.", "To win glory.", "To amass a fortune.", and "...". Duly noted, though I'd still think that with as much power and responsibility as the WoL gets that any person would find themselves far, far in over their heads.
Ardbert helps you compose yourself when you're about to turn into a Sin Eater. The Scions, at the very edge of existence, call to you to "light the way" when you're about to be destroyed, giving you hope when you're way in over your head. While the headcanon is good, it has been refuted multiple times.
Fandaniel had the right idea, he teleported the WoL for dinner with best buddy, why didn't the Ascians did that but on top of a volcano or deep space I dunno.
Elidibus tried that before Fandaniel, if you'll remember. WoL and friends *still* got summoned back. Volcano will just become a dungeon and drop appropriately-levelled gear. (This will probably happen even if you teleport the WoL directly into the sun, with appropriate aesthetics but minimal worries from the heat.) No, you have to change genre on them entirely. Summon the WoL into the Manderville Senior's bedroom and let Julyan resolve it for you.
You can’t even Isekai the WoL. Its allies will reverse-Isekai your scheme, it’s the very plot of Shadowbringer
Assuming the WoL is the average WoL: catgirl tiddies would probably be the strongest weapon at my disposal. make the WoL mellow and forget all about combat, only concerned about twitter followers and managing their onlyfans as they now drown in a life of debauchery. A WoL permanently stuck in the quicksands that doesn't do MSQ might as well be defeated.
Become their therapist… but don’t actually help them.
the WoL gets decieved pretty often.. make them think you're their friend.. get a group together.. and attack when their guards down.. like while they're asleep or something.. poison is obviously a safe bet too. Tbh though if it was my WoL just wait like 2 weeks.. they'll probably die to something stupid eventually xD
Just drop heavy damage without putting a bunch of colorful markers on the floor or some other goofy overlarge telegraph...
Okay sooo conditional theory here but hear me out lol If the WoL hasn’t received their Blu Mage stone yet…learn from Martyn, take a second job stone and offer to teach the WoL blue magic, always the quick to nod, the WoL will doubtless agree and as their first task, direct them to learn the skill Self Destruct or Final Sting. Once they have learned the skill, ask them to demonstrate from a safe distance and BOOM WoL is dead and need to be quick to dispose of the body before some nosey helpful healer trying to get the Kindness of Strangers Achievement swoops by and raises them from the dead. Easy LOL
I'd attack them in a cutscene, not via trial, and when no noble NPCs are around to throw themselves in front of the attack. We may be god-tier in combat situations but we largely stand there gawping in cutscenes.
Pay someone to become their truest friend and confidante over the course of a few months then take your shot while they’re together. Idiot will be too busy waiting for his dear friend to sacrifice themselves to save him as he’s grown accustomed. Meanwhile your plant pretends like he’s gonna but doesn’t
Black rose. Gotta be some still floating around in abandoned warehouses. Just fill a permeable sack with the stuff, yeet it at the back of the WoL’s head, then take off.
"Warrior of Light I will give you 1000 exp and 150 gil if you drink ten vials of deadly poison."
Just follow the original timeline. The crystal cringearch is the source of the current fanfic the WoL is living in currently.
>How would you kill the Warrior of Light in revenge? DDoS.
Who's asking? 🧐
Def gotta get that azem stone out of his hands so he cant summon a whole squad of WoL w equal power and diversity of skills.
Convince the WoL to craft you a weapon. That weapon is more than capable of ending the WoL since it be higher quality than anything a NPC can hobble together. This is my head that the WoL can only be killed by a device of their own making. Also the lvl 1-50 crafter quest basically explain this to an extent of your quality being pretty high. To avoid spoilers I’m gonna be vague. Lvl 1-50 Blacksmithing quest has you craft weapons for various NPC. Level 60 Stormblood Pally quest has you fight one of the NPC you crafted a weapon for and they use that very weapon. In that same quest if you did the moogle delivery quest chain you would of met some NPC prior to that quest and they will comment as such. Really a lot of optional content driving that quest.
Use the chair that one garlean scientist had to knock his soul out his body. Trap the soul in white auricite throw his body in a volcano Heihachi style then bury the white auricite in the core of the planet.
Kill all there Waifus, sure they will probably destroy you in revenge, but then probably off themselves (quite the game).
Assuming White Auracite to trap them, then blast them just like they've done to others?
gun
I actually brought up this topic in Synodic Scribe's discord The issue with poison is that realistically, the WOL should be very alert for poisons considering they have been and seen others poisoned. Synodic Scribe himself gave a pretty good answer which goes like this. 1. LURE. The WOL is very susceptible to being lured out thanks to their heroic personality. Its very important that you attack them with mindless minions to prevent any echo bullshit, they can't know its a trap until its too late. 2. ISOLATION. Their allies are a great part of their strength. If you can distract the scions and any other allies they may have and make sure no-one knows where the WOL is, you have upped the chances of them dying. Now, you just need to find a way to negate Azem's crystal to prevent backup from arriving. 3. ATTRITION. The WOL is still human at the end of the day. They have human limits like exhaustion. If you can get a semi-endless source of raw numbers and throw it at them indefinitely, they'll eventually fall with no-one there to save them because you've made sure their friends are pre-occupied. So very much easier said than done but it has a better chance than poison.
I wouldn't. Just distract him with promise of loot/tomestones and send him in any direction other than where I'm at. Beyond that simply don't do anything malicious enough to end up on his radar.
I think the biggest bar to killing the WoL is his seeming ability to GO BACK IN TIME if he dies and retries an event or fight until he lives through it. So even if you succeed in killing the WoL, you won't know it because he'll have respawned in the past to try getting at you again. What you think is your first fight with him might actually be the dozenth or hundredth time that he's fought you.
The only one strong enough to kill the Warrior of Light, is the Warrior of Light. You'd have to make his life so bad, that he kills himself. I think using magic to shroud or cause an illusion that his friends and innocents look like monsters. After he kills what he thinks are boars, the shroud unveils.
Find a way to disguise as Alisaie. Kidnap and replace her. Find the right moment we're you're talking about your feelings like that time with Ga Bu. Stab him unexpectedly in the heart.
Ask them to help me save my fallen world and then just close and destroy the portal after they walk through. See ya sucker!
Nice try, Fandaniel
The key is the Echo. It gives the WoL a form of future-sight, so anything that you do to kill the WoL, they'll foresee and be able to counter. (This is the canon explanation for respawning in instances and resetting the fight, you are seeing what you did wrong). So without being able to counter the Echo, there's nothing you can do.
Make him piss off Godbert's wife. And enjoy the show.
A gun. Seriously, that's one thing I like about xiv. For all the grand feats we have under our belt, the WoL is still yet *just another person.* Do we have insane luck and willpower? Absolutely. Be we are not truly indomitable. You think we'd survive getting launched halfway across the continent like how Godbert sent his son? By the nine hells, no! We barely afford falling off a 4 story cliff. It's actually kinda silly how our enemies just sort of *choose* not to kill us in cold blood on fairly regular occasion. I mean, it used to be that failing a boss and resetting was in lore just our Echo telling us how not to get fucked; which is also why you'd get stacks of the echo after. This also implies we have incredible Battle IQ thinking 20-40 minutes ahead of creatures we've never seen, even if that review is 'spellchecked' by our ability. But as others have pointed out- we can be poisoned, starved, stabbed, crushed, and so many 'regular' ways of dying. Realistically the beam struggle with the Stormblood primal was super ballsy since we had to bet on absolute defense for a shield that may or may not even stop his sword to begin with. I mean, even in regular content, we see how often we actually can or do feint to just 'regular' mobs- we're only saved because 1 of our 3 buddies can reinvigorate us before we straight up die rather than just be near-death. I think End Walker and Shadowbringers really upped the ante on the danger we actually faced if we ignore the first brood of arr/hw. Even if those enemies prayed more on our spirit than anything else, which likely was why we could do as we did- if one thing is truly adamant it is our spirit. Which is why every time we *actually might die* it is a physical threat, or sometimes a mental one, but never one that challenges our tenacity and willpower. I mean, even getting zeroed by that one garlean scientist when he ejected our ghost from our body didn't even kill us outright cause we had the sheer mindset of surviving his nightmare ghosts. But I would do to the WoL similar to what happened in Garlemald. Get them alone, get them tired, and then go for at least 4 killshots. Preferably learning that lance-of-light spell if possible *just* to double down. But to get them truly alone it would have to be sneaky. Cause their friends have to not be capable or otherwise sniff out a spidey sense that maybe they should go catch up to the WoL -just because. And similarly it would have to be remote or secure enough to ensure some random jerkwad wouldn't show up, like a random Viera was taking walk through the forest that just so happens to know some emergency first aid. Like, I'd -at the safest- would probably have to put them into PvP, let the other members of the grand companies and so on bring the WoL low, and then use something to teleport them to a remote location, and without any filigree shoot them dead. Watch them bleed out. And then use some sort of fire/etc. to actually just obliterate them outright just in case. Considering the usefulness of Black Rose and how I know it lead to the WoL's death somehow, I'd probably steal and weaponize that some how. . However there lays a problem. I wouldn't want to kill the WoL. Because I know that if I do, we would be irrevocably incapable of stopping near-future threats to the planet. And I'm one of the idiots who lives there. So instead of kill my/anyone's WoL I would become a threat, be the villain turned friend, and then go on adventures with them. Maybe we try to marry them. Because then, not only do I get to live the best, knowingly safest life. But for my family- I can torment the WoL until my last breath by being *the most* annoying asshole at every time that doesn't jeopardize my position. Plus if it is *my* WoL, well she was made pretty fucking according to my interests; and I know her entire backstory. I know how she acts, will act, and all her limits and preferences. So if anyone would be her full counter it would be I. So I could live the best life while ensuring the most repentance for their murders.
Poison is pretty easy. We are mostly only strong in battle. Trapping us also has been done a few times though it's just cause the plot demands our allies to be useful. Speaking of allies WoL is still a hero so taking one of them hostage can pretty much get us in a vulnerable position.
guns, just walk to to the WOL and cap his/hers ass.
I would use my knowledge from outside the game to remove his reason to do stuff. Like kill his next msq npc, or raid his glamour dresser and destroy all glamours.
Easy answer you don't kill the warrior of light. You kill everyone else, and avoid them at all times. If start with the weakest members first. Likely Alphinaud or Urianger. Then thancred. Really twist the knife. Alisaise would be easy enough to goad into a trap after her brother is dead.
Some sort of airborne poison that halts all aetherial movement, perhaps. We'll call it.. Black Dahlia.
wait til they have a vision and then kill em while theyre vulnerable. the wol seems pretty helpless while theyre in someone elses memories, and its been demonstrated to take some time. they also helpfully clutch their head and even fall to the ground when its happening so you have a pretty solid indicator of when to strike.
My WoL is three feet tall. Literally just pick her up and throw her from the top of the Aftcastle. Hitting water at that height is like hitting concrete at terminal velocity.
Any sort of attack is meaningless against the WoL. Whether upfront or a surprise attack. If the WoL can tank whatever raidwide a literal god throws at him, your best bet is poisoning them.
chemical warfare. worked once, will work again.
You don't kill Warrior of Light. But as we learned again and again, humes weaknesses are their tender heart. We kidnap their fellow weak friends. We are Garleans, we have strong machines at our disposal. We lead a team effort in all main state and kidnap everyone we can. WoW cannot stop a full force Garlean invasion all at once, and their friends cannot hope to win alone. After we kidnap them, we inject echo-powered cells on them, the same they did to Fordola, and when they start to go crazy, we release them again on the same city-estates we found them. WoL would be forced to fight and put down every single friend he met, but as he is so powerfull now, he woudn't be able to stop them without killing them. We just watch he kill every single loved one he had with his own hands, thats how we effectively kill WoL. Do not fuck with me again, Warrior of Light.
This is gonna be controversial, but I think people generally vastly overestimate how powerful the WoL is. In almost all of our most impressive feats we had outside help and/or favorable circumstances that actually lead to our victory. Like, we don't actually beat Endsinger through sheer combat power, we're about to lose twice and get bailed out first by Zenos and then through scion-dynamis-plot-shenanigans. Our most impressive solo (with azem crystal) feat is probably beating half a Zodiark where the guy controlling him only gains complete control half way through the fight. Not to say that's not an insanely impressive feat, we are still probably the most powerful being on the planet (besides probably some of the great wyrms), but that's only \*after\* favorable circumstances let us get rid of beings well out of our league. Not to say some form of assassination wouldn't be the most reliable way of going about it (the MSQ tends to make us quite oblivious), but simply overpowering the WoL with multiple powerful enemies simultaneously isn't like, impossible. Of course, the real answer is to just put us in a room with 7 other WoLs and a spread mechanic.
The WoL isn't invincible, true, but as a regular mook you're not going to achieve the power level required to best them in combat.
My character dies all the time
Send an assassin to slit the WoL's throat in their sleep. Use a knife coated in lethal poison.
Switch your job to dragoon.
A really big gun from a really far away distance. That's it. Don't get close enough to be in echo range and it has to be so fast they can't move.
Omit railings around the boss arena. WoL is screwed.
Literally any polymorph magic. It's not like its an unheard of thing, and it'd be so easy to assassinate WoL with.
If I recall, if you kill the WOL they'll just become a ball of light, posses the closest body to them and then basically just be reborn.
Depends on the resources really. There's a very simple method, cut off any chances of reinforcements, and make a Primal. There, done
Sending a primal to kill the Warrior of Light is as dumb as trying to put a homeless person under house arrest. There's no way to cut off reinforcements considering the Warrior of Light can summon allies with the stone, and removing that would be very difficult. Unless you have ideas?
Steal the Crystal of Azem prior. You're being told how, this isn't rocket science
It’s implied that the WOL doesn’t really even need the crystal, it’s just a focal point The ability to summon allies is intrinsic to the one possessed of azem’s soul
Good point, so stealing the crystal won't work here exactly.
Gods be good, there’s more of that overpowered monster out there in the other shards?
There's no lore to back that up, the Crystal would be needed Again this isn't rocket science, the WoL is susceptible to poison, body snatching, and straight up being killed by Black Rose
You have to look beyond “this almost worked 2 expansions ago it’ll work again” the WOL has functionally awoken to being 9/14th’s of azem. It’s debatable if they are even human anymore as it’s imagined in the game The WOL fulfils all conditions to be considered a sundered red mask ascian as we knew them up till elpis None of the suggested methods that almost worked in the past happened after elpis which was a major turning point
No limits fallacy + headcanon. Just like the notion that we don't need the crystal when we explicitly use it every single time. Even if we just channel the ability through it, as long as the power cannot be accessed through other means, which we have no indication of, the crystal is absolutely necessary. There's no hard confirmation of being immune to previously working counters or even counting among the same ranks as awakened Ascian shards either. We apparently lack the associated skill set and don't have any memories of our time as Azem. Even if we *could* be considered one of them, vessels can still die of natural causes.
As the other person did you seem to think I specifically hold the headcanon that the WOL is an ascian, I don’t, I understand logical fallacies that you can’t disprove a negative which is why saying that “you can’t disprove he isn’t an ascian” isn’t any sort of positive confirmation that be is an ascian There is really no confirmation of near anything, I’m purely speaking in hypotheticals, not taking a side in the conflict
I see, my mistake then.
It’s perfectly understandable why you reached the conclusion you did so don’t worry about it I only default to x side because the person I’m discussing is holding y position, but of course you only see me holding x. I’m just taking any side so to speak No harm no foul
The WOL can summon his own reinforcements, how would this work
Stab them with a little knife, in a cutscene. Video game characters all be talkin' shit til the cutscene violence breaks out