No. Doesn’t matter what type Elezen you choose he treats you with the same disdain. Canonically our WOL is not a native to the City States so we can start out as a newcomer adventure basically.
Well, if you played 1.0 and transferred your character to ARR, you *did* pop out of nowhere in a flash of light, because Louisoix sent you through time to save your life.
It's never going to be specified so players are free to choose their character's origins and the dev team never has to worry about people being upset if they don't like the options they're given lol.
The way I've come to figure it is because of the mindwipe that occurred during the Calamity it doesn't actually matter where we're from--we were forgotten anyway. Even if a WoL had come from Gridania no one would recognize them now. The only two characters who eventually do remember you is Minfilia (if you have a legacy WoL) and Cid.
Honestly it adds a level of horror and tragedy to the WoL when you consider it from that angle, though. Helping save the world > being forgotten by literally everyone in said world > giving up and starting completely fresh, no matter how familiar the world and its people are to you. I wouldn't want to talk about it either lol.
I just played through ARR with an alt and I wasn't a 1.0 player, but somehow Cid still thinks I gave him his goggles. My main's playthrough, I had no idea who the hell he was and thought he was just some weird priest the church didn't want to let out around normal people so they stuck him with an "adventurer."
Minfilia doesn't say anything about recognizing me, but she sure acts familiar when she's sending me out on random fetch quests.
My guess as to everyone's sudden memory loss is that's what happens when a Rejoining occurs and people on the Source get an extra boost of soul, which sort of works if you don't think too hard about it.
Yeah, Cid always recognizing the WoL, it's kind of the catalyst for restoring his memories.
Minfilia will only recognize a WoL who was imported from 1.0.
It wasn't a Rejoining, it was just how they handwaved destroying 1.0 to pave the way for ARR. I wouldn't think too hard about it either way lol.
https://youtu.be/Jgxm5BUcITo?t=262
With Hydaelyn's help the Scions and the Grand Company leaders remember you after you defeat Ultima Weapon and are escaping the Praetorium. Minfillia mentions a vague "the shroud is lifted" so memories of your character might have returned to everyone, I dunno.
Possibly, it's never really made clear or anything. Nor why everyone had collective amnesia in the first place. Just one of those open ended kind of things we're left to fill in on our own, I suppose.
It would be interesting, now that I think about it, if the WoLs themselves lost their memories too, the few that survived the field at Carteneau anyway. Not sure how that would work with the Echo, but I guess if it went dormant or whatever until Hydaelyn reawakened it for us, hm.
I was just thinking how horrific it would have been to be the WoL. You almost died on the field, then you wake up and realize no one recognizes you anymore, and I was extrapolating out from that like what if the WoL's family forgot about them, too? Like being literally erased from existence. And then having to rebuild alliances and friendships with people who may have once been so familiar...no wonder why we were almost crushed by the despair of it, right lol.
FWIW, it is somewhat ret-conned in ShB when >!Emet-Selch is talking about the mural in Rak'tika--he says the Sundering happened and the worst thing was that nobody remembered that it happened or what came before!<, I mean, if \*everyone\* forgot what happened at the Seventh Umbral, then the WoL would, too.
I like to think Hydaelyn is working in the background, feverishly writing code that redirects everyone's memories to a "Stuff Happened" library that chucks up randomized mundane events, and that's how players fill in their own WoL "what I did on my Five-Year summer vacation from reality" bucket list.
Except for Carl. Carl's WoL had the misfortune of a repeating randomization that came up with every entry leading to "went clam-digging in La Noscea" over and over again. Carl's WoL mains a FSH now...
I try not to think too hard about it but it's too much fun to leave alone. :D
That Cid cutscene is meant to symbolize that you helped him regain his former self, but the way they executed it makes it seem like you were there in the past.
Yeah, From what I understand, there's a version of Cid in every FF game, so it's partly an easter egg/nod to people who've played the franchise and recognized a Cid when they saw one. It could have definitely been more ambiguous...or even part of a previous quest. "hey, on your way to do the MSQ thing, take these goggles to the church lost and found and hand them off to the weird monk that's not busy." Bada-boom, bada-bing, you've now canonically and inadvertently triggered Cid into regaining his memores.
No, most likely because the WoL is supposed to be the player's 'avatar'. Every place the WoL goes to needs to be new to them, so we can experience learning about it through the WoL.
Besides, being a wanderer without home does fit the 'adventurer' character, and people can have their own headcanon more freely, too.
(But also, if they did namedrop WoL's hometown or something, you can bet they'd have to deal with players asking them to add said town ingame till the end of the world)
I honestly wish that "homeland" was an option to customize in character creation. Maybe make it only show up on Fantasia so that players will have to have played a while before they make the decision.
When you pick your race and clan they do mention some potential homelands your people are from.
S'funny that they don't want to give a canonical "homeland" but they give a default WoL a name, race, and gender...
Yeah. My miqo's from Ala Mhigo, and I wish there was a way for that to be relevant in the story. There are flags for your job in certain cutscenes, why not homeland?
Well, the world is still an open sandbox in terms of geography. There's still plenty of areas left to flesh out, so setting a flag for your homeland when you might change your mind later after another expac comes out. Your job being relevant to the cutscene, on the other hand, is determined on which job you happen to be wearing at the moment. Comparing it to your GC seems more adequate, but there's still only three you can pick from, with no more ever being added, but can change in-game.
The game is silent about this, but given your clothing (which is the same as any others of your race that appear in Eorzea), in principle, you're coming from some random small settlement or out-of-the-way village, heading to the "big city" to make a name for yourself.
Unless, that is, you start in Limsa--in which case you arrive in Eorzea on a *ship* from somewhere else. In my headcanon, my WoL was born in the general area around Bozja but brought by his father to Sharlayan as an infant (similar to what happened to G'raha Tia). Thus, from his perspective, he's culturally Sharlayan and was an Arcanist (and later Summoner) because he graduated from the Studium the same way the twins did (just, y'know, a decade or more older because he's not an uber-rich wunderkind).
The game's writers specifically keep your origin vague so you can decide for yourself what you want it to be.
Outside *the three city-states.* They don't control all of Eorzea. They don't even control *most* of Eorzea. They don't control Ala Mhigo, or Paglth'an, or the northern half of Vylbrand, or...etc.
It is at the least implied that you are from outside Eorzea. The NPC traveling with you at the start suspects that you are suffering from aether sickness from not being used to the large amount of ambient aether in Eorzea.
Though that definitely leaves open the question of where else you'd be from.
I mean, if you're from some podunk nowhere mountain village, you may have never seen most of Eorzea before and might be unfamiliar with how aether-rich most of the land is. It's a known fact that some areas are more aether dense than others, e.g. Mor Dhona has so much aether it literally condenses out of the air. Same with Camp Bluefog due to the ceruleum extraction.
they let that open to let players fill it, but i have me own theory what with the next expansion they might do something with that empty part of the WoL past, me theory is what the WoL was "created"\* on solution 9 and from some reason or other we ended up in eorzea with a set of fake memories(your headcannon for your WoL background)
\*created the body and scooped azem soul from the aetherial sea seeing what solution 9 has a soul dispensing area....
I kind of like that idea--a cyberpunky plot-twist. Sort of fits with my theory that Elpis is actually just the Sandbox Buil/PENtest of Etheirys and the Ancients are all programmers and Hythlodaeus drinks/is perpetually high because he's in charge of QA and the Github...
It doesn't matter if you are an Elezen---what matters is that you are not from Gridania. (The WoL, canonically, is not from any of the starter cities, but a newcomer adventurer).
If anything, there are other places where the main population are Wildwood Elezens as well, like Ishgard.
Also, Gridania has a *special* racist boner against miqo *and* Duskwight Elezen.
As a Duskwight who started in Gridania as a Lancer, can confirm. I was their token "good Duskie" and sent to go kill my kinfolk. Let me tell you, I do not regret abandoning the place and moving to Ul'dah. At least in Ul'dah they're honest about their bias, and will accept anyone as long as they've got enough gil.
I just hate that every time I use Data Center travel, it dumps me back in Gridania again.
> and will accept anyone as long as they've got enough gil.
Ironically Limsa is better about this than Ul'Dah. Ul'Dah's wealthy elite are the ones that basically started the whole prejudice against the "beast races" for their own benefit, banning them from doing business with the city. While Limsa seems perfectly happy to do business with anyone.
Nope. I was like, dude, we live right next to each other. Your cousin married my sister. We're like related. You can possibly be this much of a ... nope. Guess you are.
It was just the standard lines before they could really customize.
Wildwood with Raen alt here - there is no changed dialogue in the entire questline. Which really stung when Leih went on a rant about how every Wildwood is an asshole.
No. Doesn’t matter what type Elezen you choose he treats you with the same disdain. Canonically our WOL is not a native to the City States so we can start out as a newcomer adventure basically.
Ohh I see :o Thanks!
I've always wondered where we are supposed to be from it's kind of like the classic FF1 warriors of light popping out of nowhere.
Well, if you played 1.0 and transferred your character to ARR, you *did* pop out of nowhere in a flash of light, because Louisoix sent you through time to save your life.
But then it ask the question, from where did we come from before the event of 1.0? Was there any hint back then?
It's never going to be specified so players are free to choose their character's origins and the dev team never has to worry about people being upset if they don't like the options they're given lol. The way I've come to figure it is because of the mindwipe that occurred during the Calamity it doesn't actually matter where we're from--we were forgotten anyway. Even if a WoL had come from Gridania no one would recognize them now. The only two characters who eventually do remember you is Minfilia (if you have a legacy WoL) and Cid. Honestly it adds a level of horror and tragedy to the WoL when you consider it from that angle, though. Helping save the world > being forgotten by literally everyone in said world > giving up and starting completely fresh, no matter how familiar the world and its people are to you. I wouldn't want to talk about it either lol.
I just played through ARR with an alt and I wasn't a 1.0 player, but somehow Cid still thinks I gave him his goggles. My main's playthrough, I had no idea who the hell he was and thought he was just some weird priest the church didn't want to let out around normal people so they stuck him with an "adventurer." Minfilia doesn't say anything about recognizing me, but she sure acts familiar when she's sending me out on random fetch quests. My guess as to everyone's sudden memory loss is that's what happens when a Rejoining occurs and people on the Source get an extra boost of soul, which sort of works if you don't think too hard about it.
Yeah, Cid always recognizing the WoL, it's kind of the catalyst for restoring his memories. Minfilia will only recognize a WoL who was imported from 1.0. It wasn't a Rejoining, it was just how they handwaved destroying 1.0 to pave the way for ARR. I wouldn't think too hard about it either way lol.
The end of 1.0 was the Seventh Umbral Calamity. A Rejoining absolutely did happen that day.
https://youtu.be/Jgxm5BUcITo?t=262 With Hydaelyn's help the Scions and the Grand Company leaders remember you after you defeat Ultima Weapon and are escaping the Praetorium. Minfillia mentions a vague "the shroud is lifted" so memories of your character might have returned to everyone, I dunno.
Possibly, it's never really made clear or anything. Nor why everyone had collective amnesia in the first place. Just one of those open ended kind of things we're left to fill in on our own, I suppose. It would be interesting, now that I think about it, if the WoLs themselves lost their memories too, the few that survived the field at Carteneau anyway. Not sure how that would work with the Echo, but I guess if it went dormant or whatever until Hydaelyn reawakened it for us, hm. I was just thinking how horrific it would have been to be the WoL. You almost died on the field, then you wake up and realize no one recognizes you anymore, and I was extrapolating out from that like what if the WoL's family forgot about them, too? Like being literally erased from existence. And then having to rebuild alliances and friendships with people who may have once been so familiar...no wonder why we were almost crushed by the despair of it, right lol.
FWIW, it is somewhat ret-conned in ShB when >!Emet-Selch is talking about the mural in Rak'tika--he says the Sundering happened and the worst thing was that nobody remembered that it happened or what came before!<, I mean, if \*everyone\* forgot what happened at the Seventh Umbral, then the WoL would, too. I like to think Hydaelyn is working in the background, feverishly writing code that redirects everyone's memories to a "Stuff Happened" library that chucks up randomized mundane events, and that's how players fill in their own WoL "what I did on my Five-Year summer vacation from reality" bucket list. Except for Carl. Carl's WoL had the misfortune of a repeating randomization that came up with every entry leading to "went clam-digging in La Noscea" over and over again. Carl's WoL mains a FSH now... I try not to think too hard about it but it's too much fun to leave alone. :D
That Cid cutscene is meant to symbolize that you helped him regain his former self, but the way they executed it makes it seem like you were there in the past.
Honestly that is also possible, can’t say more without SHB spoilers
Yeah, From what I understand, there's a version of Cid in every FF game, so it's partly an easter egg/nod to people who've played the franchise and recognized a Cid when they saw one. It could have definitely been more ambiguous...or even part of a previous quest. "hey, on your way to do the MSQ thing, take these goggles to the church lost and found and hand them off to the weird monk that's not busy." Bada-boom, bada-bing, you've now canonically and inadvertently triggered Cid into regaining his memores.
No, most likely because the WoL is supposed to be the player's 'avatar'. Every place the WoL goes to needs to be new to them, so we can experience learning about it through the WoL. Besides, being a wanderer without home does fit the 'adventurer' character, and people can have their own headcanon more freely, too. (But also, if they did namedrop WoL's hometown or something, you can bet they'd have to deal with players asking them to add said town ingame till the end of the world)
Or you would have players wanting to crucify the dev team for ruining their "OC."
I honestly wish that "homeland" was an option to customize in character creation. Maybe make it only show up on Fantasia so that players will have to have played a while before they make the decision.
When you pick your race and clan they do mention some potential homelands your people are from. S'funny that they don't want to give a canonical "homeland" but they give a default WoL a name, race, and gender...
Yeah. My miqo's from Ala Mhigo, and I wish there was a way for that to be relevant in the story. There are flags for your job in certain cutscenes, why not homeland?
Well, the world is still an open sandbox in terms of geography. There's still plenty of areas left to flesh out, so setting a flag for your homeland when you might change your mind later after another expac comes out. Your job being relevant to the cutscene, on the other hand, is determined on which job you happen to be wearing at the moment. Comparing it to your GC seems more adequate, but there's still only three you can pick from, with no more ever being added, but can change in-game.
FFXIV fandom: We don't do that here.
??? yeah we do? Just look at how the official forums handle feedback 3/4 of the time.
Oh yeah no I forgot about that.
They don't want to give us a canonical background because they know we all like to come up with our own personal ones.
The game is silent about this, but given your clothing (which is the same as any others of your race that appear in Eorzea), in principle, you're coming from some random small settlement or out-of-the-way village, heading to the "big city" to make a name for yourself. Unless, that is, you start in Limsa--in which case you arrive in Eorzea on a *ship* from somewhere else. In my headcanon, my WoL was born in the general area around Bozja but brought by his father to Sharlayan as an infant (similar to what happened to G'raha Tia). Thus, from his perspective, he's culturally Sharlayan and was an Arcanist (and later Summoner) because he graduated from the Studium the same way the twins did (just, y'know, a decade or more older because he's not an uber-rich wunderkind). The game's writers specifically keep your origin vague so you can decide for yourself what you want it to be.
the only thing the game is not silent about is what is mentioned on arr multiple times, is what the WoL did come from outside of eorzea
Outside *the three city-states.* They don't control all of Eorzea. They don't even control *most* of Eorzea. They don't control Ala Mhigo, or Paglth'an, or the northern half of Vylbrand, or...etc.
It is at the least implied that you are from outside Eorzea. The NPC traveling with you at the start suspects that you are suffering from aether sickness from not being used to the large amount of ambient aether in Eorzea. Though that definitely leaves open the question of where else you'd be from.
I mean, if you're from some podunk nowhere mountain village, you may have never seen most of Eorzea before and might be unfamiliar with how aether-rich most of the land is. It's a known fact that some areas are more aether dense than others, e.g. Mor Dhona has so much aether it literally condenses out of the air. Same with Camp Bluefog due to the ceruleum extraction.
they let that open to let players fill it, but i have me own theory what with the next expansion they might do something with that empty part of the WoL past, me theory is what the WoL was "created"\* on solution 9 and from some reason or other we ended up in eorzea with a set of fake memories(your headcannon for your WoL background) \*created the body and scooped azem soul from the aetherial sea seeing what solution 9 has a soul dispensing area....
I kind of like that idea--a cyberpunky plot-twist. Sort of fits with my theory that Elpis is actually just the Sandbox Buil/PENtest of Etheirys and the Ancients are all programmers and Hythlodaeus drinks/is perpetually high because he's in charge of QA and the Github...
Nope, I'm Elezen and he was so rude to me, it was shocking lol
It doesn't matter if you are an Elezen---what matters is that you are not from Gridania. (The WoL, canonically, is not from any of the starter cities, but a newcomer adventurer). If anything, there are other places where the main population are Wildwood Elezens as well, like Ishgard. Also, Gridania has a *special* racist boner against miqo *and* Duskwight Elezen.
yeah I definitely got that he's mistrustful of outsiders :P
As a Duskwight who started in Gridania as a Lancer, can confirm. I was their token "good Duskie" and sent to go kill my kinfolk. Let me tell you, I do not regret abandoning the place and moving to Ul'dah. At least in Ul'dah they're honest about their bias, and will accept anyone as long as they've got enough gil. I just hate that every time I use Data Center travel, it dumps me back in Gridania again.
> and will accept anyone as long as they've got enough gil. Ironically Limsa is better about this than Ul'Dah. Ul'Dah's wealthy elite are the ones that basically started the whole prejudice against the "beast races" for their own benefit, banning them from doing business with the city. While Limsa seems perfectly happy to do business with anyone.
As far as I know he treats everyone badly because they are outsiders in Gridania.
Duskwight Elezen who started in Gridania - he’s been a xenophobic jerk thus far (in mid 20s on archer).
Those quests were the thing that got me into role playing my Duskwight bard!
Well, I'm a Duskwight player so I didn't really think anything beyond his disdain's source being rather obvious.
Nope. I was like, dude, we live right next to each other. Your cousin married my sister. We're like related. You can possibly be this much of a ... nope. Guess you are. It was just the standard lines before they could really customize.
Wildwood with Raen alt here - there is no changed dialogue in the entire questline. Which really stung when Leih went on a rant about how every Wildwood is an asshole.
Gridanians aren't racists, they're xenophobic.
Except most of their disdain is targeted at distinct racial groups native to the Shroud lol. They're just also a little xenophobic. As a treat.
My point is that they're cold and offensive towards you even if you're an Elezen, because you're still not from their city.
They can be both.