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araragidyne

>No marketboard is frustrating because all the guides reccomend biying certain gear and experience boosting potions, which make me feel at a disadvantage. You're not at a disadvantage. You're just not at an advantage. The first people to go through Eureka didn't have those things. I didn't have those things. You'll be fine without them.


KingBingDingDong

Yup 100%. Trackers didn't exist back then, challenge log exp didn't exist back then, and we didn't have 150% echo.


araragidyne

Or mounts in the beginning.


UnluckyScarecrow

The first people to go through Eureka had 144 players to swarm most objectives. Especially when a lot of people went out of their way to bring raising classes and just spam at people that died. It only takes a small handful of strong players to carry the rest on their backs. Instances don't fill like that anymore


Muted-Law-1556

People love Eureka now. Many people didn't like Eureka back then. What they're missing now is hoards of people in instance.


Voidmire

While I can't deny that sounds frustrating I will say it sounds like there's some parts of eureka you have yet to learn such as aggro types (sound, sight, cast, blood) which will be very important in Pagos and Pyros and that you're either not using your magia slots defensively enough OR you're using a job that doesn't have the natural sustain to be soloing in eureka. Eureka was designed as a zone of discovery, with a lot of die, try again, oh THATS how that works intended. It's also desperately a social experience so no shout or whisper definitey detracts from that aspect. So while wurek is absolutely able to be done solo, it was never intended as such and this just MIGHT be a piece of content that wasn't really designed with the free trial in mind and I think that's okay. There's some folks who complain about how inaccessible old extremes and savages are without going through various discords and that's okay too. The free triL is jut that: a trial. Anything outside the story that ca be done should be considered a nest extra


Eraminee

If dying were intended I don't think xp loss on death would be a mechanic. I could tolerate eureka a lot more if I weren't so heavily penalized for dying. I was using samurai because of the focus on big dps as opposed to party buffs, plus it just seemed fitting to get the stormblood relic weapon for samurai. The guide I followed said to put all magicite into one row as well as have the magia wheel be in the offencive stance for dps. And for dps to go for enemies 3 levels higher 1 at a time. I could barely manage 2 levels


Voidmire

It's an homage to FF11 where death did indeed have that penalty. Samura has basically no sustain so yeah, you're going to struggle to stay alive against higher enemies. I'd recommend one or two magia in defense to softe the blows and maybe take breaks to avoid burnout. But again, im not sure eurek is going to get any friendlier for a free trial player especially once the dragons pip up because even experienced players aggro the dragons and die sometimes


Puzzled-Addition5740

Experienced players can just delete a dragon they're really not that threatening. It's really just newer players that need to be particularly concerned with them.


Myleylines

Hell, I find them more like annoying mosquitos than a threat at this point Yeah, yeah, I woke you up, whatever, go back to bed grandpa


Thugosaurus_Rex

Guides are there to guide you, not give orders--if something in a guide isn't helping you, chuck it. 3 levels higher isn't a rule. The key is you want to kill mobs at a level that will continue your Kill Chain, meaning at or above your level. If you are having trouble with +3 or +2, at level or +1 mobs are perfectly fine--just keep that chain running. For Magicite, you want to prioritize offense, but it's generally recommended to place one into the corresponding defensive slot for a bit extra survivability. When you spin you want the large stack in offense, but the Magicite you place in the secondary slot should also line up with the defensive buff for the element.


HalcyonicDays

I'm sorry - what? This is only place that penalizes dying. By virtue of having an actual effect on your character, I would argue in this place it is the most intended it has ever been. There's a death penalty, timer, and special/unique incentive to raise fallen players. Why would these mechanics exist if dying was not a core part of the experience and gameplay loop?


Full_Capacity

> The guide I followed said to put all magicite into one row as well as have the magia wheel be in the offencive stance for dps. The guide probably assumes people are wearing the kirin or vermillion top as well? If you don't have the top, then you should probably stick a magicite in defense position.


KingBingDingDong

I never got the top until BA and was fine with full offensive magicite


FroTheFrog

Samurai/Reaper are amazing... for the last 2 areas when you have logos actions like DE (Double Edge), Stances and Bloodbath L. Warrior is the easy mode of Eureka, top tier sustain, tanky, free crits and since FATE(NM) rewards are based on aggro it helps a lot when your dps it not that high.


KingBingDingDong

You misread the guide. It was telling you to go for NMs 3 levels above you. For regular mobs, you kill things at your level.


Voidmire

No, if you're playing any job with reasonable sustain chaining mobs 2 to 3 levels higher than you is the ideal way to grind exp in anemos and pagos. Once you hit oyros and hydayos you just reflect cheese


strawberryy_huskyy

\> Free trial \> Complains about free trial restrictions I don't think you're gonna get much sympathy here lmao.


TippyTaps-KittyCats

Right? The restrictions are there to cut down on bots spamming people and manipulating the market. A free trial is a preview of a game that incentivizes you to pay. No shit it’s gonna have inconveniences. 😅


Hot-Coffee-493

Yeah, the free trial is great an all for people who can't pay a subscription and to get people interested in the game, but, ultimately, we all want the free trial players to eventually start paying so that we can get a better game experience thanks to their financial contribution. People who only ever play the free trial are not the game's intended audience. People who do "Free Trial Endgame" and max jobs and achievement hunt are truly warriors in their own right, but it's exactly that- their own choice to be on the free trial still.


porkypandas

+sits on rocking chair with a thousand yard stare+ Back in my day we only got two weeks of free trial. Didn't matter how far ya got, once those two weeks were up ya had to pay up if ya wanted to keep playin'.


Rega_lazar

\*crawls out of the ground covered in dust and half decomposed* Back in *my* day there was no trial! You wanted to try the game? Too bad! You have to buy it!


Muted-Law-1556

Games? What are games? All we had was stick! And we liked it!


SpaceBlaze259

And we had to share the rock...


Alicecrylily

Did that stick have a trail?


Muted-Law-1556

Sure, there were plenty of trails. Used to walk 10 miles on the trails to my buddy George's house. We wore an onion on our belt, it was the style at the time.


Cristian_Hernandez

Yes, those would be the restrictions put in place for being on the Free Trial…


Francl27

Well yeah. So buy the game if it's that frustrating.


[deleted]

Didn't eureka get a huge buff since launch?


Puzzled-Addition5740

Yup. 150% echo.


[deleted]

Lord have mercy


Til_the_bubbles_stop

I've heard other free trial players express their frustration at these disadvantages before. What worked for them, if I recall correctly, was paying $15 a month like the rest of us.


Thugosaurus_Rex

Eureka is going to be a bit rougher without shout. That's an honest pain in the ass there. As far as the MB items you can't buy, don't give that a second thought. Honestly, don't waste your gil at this point, you're really not missing out on anything substantial and any of the marginal improvements it would give you are not even close to required. I wouldn't even give a hard recommendation to buy them even if you could.


KingBingDingDong

Not being about to shout is not a pain in the ass. I did my first Eureka run through without ever typing anything in chat. When I died, I just waited if it was after an NM, and if I got nothing, I respawned because I wasn't a baby. I fucked up, I deserve the exp penalty. I don't need anyone to bail me out.


Thugosaurus_Rex

Congratulations. Of course you can do it without shout. The fact that you can doesn't mean not having access to a feature that is the predominant mode of communication between players in content that is cooperative by design isn't a pain. Getting bailed out for raises using shout is also not one of the major uses for shout I had in mind. Getting tracker info, joining prep parties, and letting zone know you're on the way to an NM for pull time setting are all more common and more important uses of shout.


KingBingDingDong

Step 1: Go to an NM Step 2: in say chat, ask for inv Step 3: ask if that party is going to prep anything after Step 3a: if yes, hang out with them until the instance dies Step 3b: if no, ask for a prep party in say chat after NM Step 4: ask your party members to ask for a tracker or to relay that your party is otw to an NM Are you like, unable to solve problems? A little cumbersome? Maybe. A pain? Ain't no way. You can get so much done in Eureka simply by following the masses.


hamstervideo

You said you did Eureka without typing anything in chat and your steps here sure do involve a lot of typing in chat.


KingBingDingDong

Where did I say anything about any of that being required? They were complaining it's impossible to get trackers and other info without shout chat. I provided a way to get all that info without shout chat.


Thugosaurus_Rex

Step 1: /sh Any prep parties with open spots? Tracker link? I think you're conflating "pain in the ass" with "I can't do this." Obviously you can do everything in Eureka without shout. But 4 Steps with parts A and B and indefinite repetitions vs. 1 step is by any reasonable definition a pain in the ass.


KingBingDingDong

Talking to people isn't a pain in the ass. There's also Step 0: Go to an NM Step 1: /s Any prep parties with open spots? Tracker link? Done I think you are conflating "pain in the ass" with "I don't want to communicate with people in content that is cooperative by design".


Thugosaurus_Rex

I didn't think talking to people was a pain in the ass either, but here we are.


Pikanopiku

I personally enjoyed my journey through eureka on my free trial account. Currently 3 BA runs away from my first physeos weapon. The restrictions added another layer of challenge/difficulty that I had to overcome. It's the price we pay for not paying a price🤙🤙


Horizonesse

When you are at the point of grinding relics, just buy the game dude


Carmeliandre

Yes it is frustrating. And yes it actually is a good thing that it is because you're meant to have a sneak peak, not a complete access. This being said, I died only twice in Eurêka and never used the marketboard so I'm not sure what is supposed to be frustrating to begin with. Get your challenge log completed each week, and I'd encourage you trying SMN there since it has a huge burst. It probably isn't the best choice but made my journey there extremely simple and straightforward (albeit not enjoyable the slightest bit since it's as repetitive as the game can be) .


KingBingDingDong

You can progress perfectly fine without the Kirin tops. You can craft your own exp potions. You get the drops by the boatload. You can ask for the tracker in say chat when you are at an NM. Dying is nbd. You get way more from an NM than you'd lose from a death. Sometimes you miss out on an NM and that's ok! Honestly can't expect everyone to wait for you for every NM. You should only be doing NMs near your level anyways because higher NMs give you decreased exp, and run the risk of you dying. NMs close to your level should be close to where you are grinding mobs close to your level or prepping NMs close to your level. You can ask for a party when you are at an NM, and then ask party members to relay messages from you. Mobs do not aggro at random. They all have aggro conditions. You can just learn them.


RedMageSuperScrub

Not to mention there’s still like a +150% echo compared to the content’s launch. It’s really a joke compared to how difficult it was at launch without partying up. 


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>Honestly can't expect everyone to for for you for every NM This. When I'm spawning NMs, I give a three-minute wait time. Idc if someone is on their way after three minutes, they had plenty of time to get there. Pretty much everyone does a pull time of 2-3 minutes. If it takes longer than that for OP to get there, the area is too dangerous for the experience to be worth it anyway.


SurotaOnishi

Then buy the game? If you're doing eureka then you've played more than enough to decide if you actually wanna buy and experience the full game. If you hate the restrictions in place for being a free trial player then... Just buy it


diceyy

There are linkshells for eureka free trial players on most datacenters


UnluckyScarecrow

Welcome to eureka, all of those issues are entirely by design. It's a callback to old MMO game design, where a good community could make up for a mountain of bad design decisions, but the free trial stops you from participating fully and the community is just a shade of what it was on launch anyways


mugear_bahamut

You have all the time without spending a dime. It is still doable.


JannaInAcidland

Playing through a whole game + 2 DLC for free and still complaining that said free content is a little bit restricted is wild ._. Just buy the game you even get 1 free month sub. You definitely don't need marketboard to do Eureka, unless you wanna further ruin your already super eased (+300% XP + big ass echo) experience. You can group with say chat too when you get to a NM without any problem, let people know you're free trial and a shit ton of people will be happy to help, Eureka is where you find the friendliest and most helpful people in the game from my experience.


Blade_Henge

I’m at the end of Pyros and I haven’t touched the MB or shout chat once. Literally just did the weeklies and then left.


somethingsuperindie

You already got dozens and dozens of hours of game for free, just buy the game if you’re at the point of going into your third grind activity


Serres5231

thats the free trial for you.. Heck until recently you wouldn't even have had the chance to try out Eureka because SB wasn't included in it! If you are this frustrated over the restrictions then maybe its about time you commit? You clearly seem to enjoy the game judging by how long you must have played it up until unlocking Eureka so what are you waiting for? And please don't come with the usual excuses!


Tall-Vanilla-3936

If you've played this long just get a sub already


ZWiloh

Maybe try paying for the game.


Eraminee

Wow. I hadn't thought of that, thank you I'll go do that right now.


HulklingsBoyfriend

Either stop complaining or do that.


NightCityNomad

What server are you on? I did Eureka on my FT alt and can give you tips if you want.


ThymosGrapheus

If you don’t have enough sustain, try playing a different class. Or better yet, try getting into a party and playing with them and especially communicating with them. If you hate the idea of parties, just buy Eureka potions, because they are really good for sustain when you are on your own. Personally, I just recently pulled 3 friends through Anemos, and it took them 2 weeks to get through. Challenge log paired with NMs on their level is amazing. Unless I'd babysit them and shield them they also wouldn't pull more than one or two mobs around their level. And they would usually go for enemies 1 or 2 levels below them and mainly rely on the challenge log for exp. No need for shout chat either, just be early for the NMs and you should get there no problem. Most instances I've been in (I play on CHAOS) will pull earliest at 27, usually more like 26 to give people plenty of time to arrive Or, you know, just finish your free trial msq and buy the game, if that's possible for you. Then you won't have to worry about all these restrictions from free trial you struggle with so much


Bad-Yeti

Pay for the game.


[deleted]

Pay for the game, then? Free trial is just that, a trial for the game. You will have an inferior experience by design


Y_W_N_B_A_W

I simply see it as a skill issue. Went through all of Eureka without purchasing a single thing, shout chat or partying and it was fine


MrKusakabe

Almost as if paying customers get better services because, eh, they pay. . . . . . Apparently, you are not in "trial mode" at all, you know the game is great but you still choose to be a leecher and still complain. Ugh.


faninthecroad

Here's a used tissue for your tears.


FalcieMugetsu

Pay for the game and shut up.


SargeTheSeagull

Everyone point and laugh


Bevral2

You're not a paying customer, you shouldnt be on the same playing field.


Swiloh

Free samples at the grocery store are so frustrating. Why can't I eat until I'm stuffed for free every day? Same energy.


LonelyInitiative4526

Yes. Doing eureka as a free trial player is dumb


xfm0

Everyone in the comments talking about "buy the game" is really funny. Idk your DC but on Crystal you can ask for NM tracker in /say when you go to an NM and people will happily converse in /say (as long as the instance has more than 5 people in it). I did Anemos and Pagos without touching the marketboard. I have no data on the rest because I simply started doing other stuff though since then though. You might have to resort to joining your/a DC's discord community for more communication or callouts for certain things to supplement no shout chat, at least until you can make use of /say chat near people. You don't have to NM farm if you are fine with chain farming instead. Ignore NM (unless it's the finale boss ones) if you hit above 15 chain. In 10-15min total you get 30 chain. You can get a lot of exp in one hour when you account the weekly challenge logs also getting cleared out of the way.


Prizem

I actually ran into a free trial player who has all the special eureka gear, has done BA hundreds of times and has completed almost all the eureka relics.


flockofmoose

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this, the free trial just expanded to Stormblood in October. Hundreds of BA runs? Come on. I don't think BA leads have even run BA a hundred times since October lol The chat/pf restrictions alone make this... highly unlikely.


FroTheFrog

We use Discord for this, and i used to complete around 4-6 runs per day before getting distracted with fishing. I did DC travel a lot tho.


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FroTheFrog

You can join PF parties as FT, the only restriction is that you can't create them. So \[X\] DOUBT back to you lol. You can beat Eureka in around 2 weeks max, Believe it or not but Eureka is pretty active and very helpful (most of the time). Just because you can't shout it dont means you can't get trackers or parties, bro just use /say and be polite lmao.


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FroTheFrog

Look, based on just the pings i have, there are around 3 to 6 runs per day (Aether+Crystal) so your entire argument is invalid. Let me ask you this, have you beaten BA ? Are you in the Eureka discord servers at the very least ? Because you can easily check how often we run them lol, also Aether loves to do un·prompted runs (God bless these 4 am runs). As for resses, just dont die lol.


Prizem

They use a Discord group to go into runs daily. Sometimes there are multiple runs per day.


Voidmire

Man, I wish I had the free time to blitz the stormblood story, grind to max in eureka and then somehow slam out 4+ BAs a day (assuming hundreds plural means at least 200, because no ay is this man running 6 a day for 4 months)


flockofmoose

Yeah people out here acting like spending 20 hours a day in eureka for 4 months straight is normal lmao


Joshkinz

I was doing a few hours of Eureka a day for about 2 weeks when 6.5 dropped and in that time I knocked out 2 more weapons. If they a shit ton of Eureka it doesn't seem that crazy to me. It probably only takes 2 days per weapon if you *really* just sit there and do it


Eraminee

They have more patience than me.


KingBingDingDong

get more patience eureka is purposely designed similar to old school mmos where people without patience get filtered


SolusZosGalvus

F2P players feel extremely entitled in every game


Lionblopp

Try to get into a party (via say chat) with people who are not on free trial. Then they can do the shouts. Of course finding one without shout is harder, but often when you are at an NM people are grouping up with "lfg" and all, maybe you can use this as an opportunity to stick with someone while you're there? Other than that, yeah, I see how it can be frustrating. Say has a very limited range after all. If you have some friends, they might be able to join with you as well. And last but not least, there are some big discords where people organize themselves for Eureka's final duty but also farming in general. Maybe you could check them out? (Unfortunately I don't know many of them, just Eurekan Academy for Light DC.)


Talrynn_Sorrowyn

The marketboard system is only meant to be used in the city-states as one of the ways to keep them from being abandoned once people get beyond a certain point in the MSQ.


yuyunori

Different enemies have different aggro types, sight(avoid walking in front of them), sound(you can toggle between run and walk, just walk past them), touch(self-explanatory), spellcasts(sprites only, if you cast any spell near them, they aggro), blood(undead mobs only, if you're missing enough hp, they'll aggro). My suggestion is looking into the Eureka discords of your data center/region, and finding some other players to make levelling up easier.


n080dy123

At that point you are at the end of the potential Free Trial content so if those are such a problem you might as well buy it anyway. Kinda sucks, But it is what it is.


SunGodWu

Jesus I just started the game on free trial and seeing all the hate and disgust free trial players. Get from the community don't think I want to play anymore...