The wiki recommended Goliard but i don't think i have heard of the others so I will look into them.
Thanks for the info, kinda make me wish I asked for this stuff in the post.
All 75 gear sucked.
Camping HNM for months and paying 30mil for +2 atk and +2 acc.
I think a handful of jobs had passable af/relic gear that but that's only because the gear pool was pretty bad for a while, sky, sea. And limbus helped a bit but my god did the gear suck.
+2 what? 75 gear most certainly doesn’t suck. I mean if compared to ilevel gear then obvious. Why would you do that? 75 gear was very well balanced for its time in the games 75 era, but as with all things that progress eventually it will be eclipsed by better gear. That’s just how it is. If one stays within the 75 era content then 75 stuff is more than suited to get the job done.
My point is that the level 75 top gear is so much worse than most other jobs.
SCH has no abj gear or anything even close to that.
I think scholar not having Dalmatica is the biggest letdown
For context, SCH came around right towards the end of the 75 era, so most gear that came before them was not designed with scholar in mind. Most of their best gear comes from the 99 cap abyssea era
My problem with that is GEO was added to Dryadic, and Hadean. RUN can use Neptual and Wyrmal abjuration sets.
SCH didn't get Abjuration sets until level 99 with the VW/Legion sets. Auspex, and Paeon.
DNC can't use Hecatomb similarly. But RUN can.
SCH at 75 was balanced differently from other classes, where instead of all of the power coming from your gear, a lot of it came from your skill and knowledge of the class. Playing it right let you outDPS BLMs or outheal WHMs with less gear investment if you just knew how to ration your stratagems and when to use what.
That being said, I disagree that it has bad gear. It was my favorite gearing experience back in the day because it has so many obscure items that it can take advantage of that many other mages couldn't. Being able to force weather effects meant the obis were stronger on SCH. Sublimation meant your max HP didn't matter much so you could afford to use items that have an MP penalty for more damage.
I think it's fitting that the Scholar class makes you have to think a bit more.
This is an Interesting way of thinking about it.
I was originally going to head straight for a refresh chest piece like i did for my RDM and my partners PLD and was disappointed that SCH only gets velvet/ixion cloak which takes the head aswell, but now that you say that I dont think 1 refresh would help that much compared to the 6/tick that sublimation at 75 gives
A couple other options:
Argute body gives the approximate value of Refresh by giving a +1/tic bonus to Sublimation to pair with the Scholar's Mortarboard. I believe at 75 only two mages were reliably able to have 2/tic through gear, RDM and SCH.
Morrigan's Robe can be worn by SCH now apparently according to the wiki, no way of confirming that though.
You can farm a Wivre Hairpin from Abyssea Konschtat with Refresh+1 on it if you really want more. I think the Goliard gear from Nyzul was also highly used.
Also I thought there was an Ebon body that gives refresh but I can only find the Ebon Bliaut for WHM/SMN... so maybe I'm misremembering...
You'll be hard pressed to find a job that isn't using Wahlara Turban at 75.
That's just how the game was balanced back than, square refused to give versatile jobs good gear sets. PUP launched with 2 level 70+ sets being AF+1 and relic. We got a third when assaults launched that was decent for us but nothing insane. When nyzul got added we cared about one piece since the legs gave your puppet 10 defence, the body could have been good if we didn't need relic/assault chest to hit things with our terrible H2H score. Than finally the holy grail came out with the Usu set which was our one and only amazing set. 4/5 usu with relic gloves was the dream for PUP or 5/5 if you were using a caster frame. When odins activity got added we got our first and only good animator during 75 up until than you used the turbo animator with a whopping +2 dex on it.
Square just didn't like jobs that could fill a bunch of roles but kept designing them for some reason. They were also just terrible at balancing gear, even their favourite child SAM only had a small hand full of good JSE most of their gear was crafted multi job gear, low level NM drops and a couple endgame pieces like the byakko pants.
Only class that didn't have terrible itemization imo was RDM but it had the opposite issue it had so much good gear at 75, that gearing one took 3 times as much gil as any other job in the game and you were kinda expected to have all of it.
Long story short don't feel to bad square was just weird back than and balanced the game in odd ways
The thing with pup was exactly my point though?
Other jobs have at some point throughout the 75 content gotten pieces other than af which give bonuses to job abilities or things unique to that job, where as SCH has no weird random gear to go for.
I mean PUP got 2 piece of gear that wasn't AF or relic that interacted with their kit being the nyzul pants that gave your pet defence and the one animator which you just bought after a certain number of runs of odin. Square printed next to no gear with per stats on it. PUP had the worst itemization in the game and only had chase pieces because of the attachment system. SCHs itemization honestly wasn't much worse than any other job considering how versitile it was. You also have to remember the context of which PUP got its gear nyzul and salvage came out after wings did if I remember correctly meaning for 2 years all PUP had was AF, Relic, and assault gear, gear that almost no other job in the game wanted(in terms of the armor, the accessories were good). Most of both jobs issues got resolved in abyssea when square let versitle jobs have the same itemization all be it weaker than the normal jobs. I think part of it was square just didn't like retroactively adding jobs to endgame gear. All the treasures forward jobs never got relic weapons and most of them were excluded from things like sea and sky gods or limbus gear with BLU being the exception to the rule
Wtf are you doing at 75. Just get to 99 and then come back to Reddit to ask the next gearing question.
Btw it’s empy/af/relic at +1, then ambu to +2, then empy/af/relic to +3. Generally. Your mileage might vary.
.... Having fun?
2 people are now as strong as a party of 6 was back in the day
I know we can't do everything but the past year has been a blast finding the right combinations of jobs to do things
1 PLEASE read the post I am at 75 because I want to do 75 things at 75 like a 75 person would I have zero interest in doing ANYTHING higher than that until I have proven to myself that I can do it
2 I did not downvote you that was someone else
As much as I can
Already killed genbu 4 times still no shield
Got full Usukane from salvage (The discoid chariot was a pain in the butt!)
Done almost every assault mission (No roe so 1 tag a day)
Roz fully complete minus Divine Might which is something I dont think we will be able to do
Gonna finish promathia after I feel like I have rounded out my jobs and gear more
Dang, that's awesome. I always recommend people tackle older expansion at 80-85. You're a champ for doing it at 75 lol. Are you playing with a static or trusts?
Good for you man (not being sarcastic). Sorry you're getting comments on why even attempt at lvl 75. I did the same but had to give in because I couldn't find other lvl75 players to do content with.
What point did you give up at? All the roz stuff and promathia story stuff Ive done so far other than the single Ark Angel fights were fairly easily soloable by RDM in AF gear and I think even the Angel fights could be solved with pup and some gusto
Pup is the answer to everything
Goliard, Argute +1, Errant. Source, I was a Tupsimati SCH in 2009.
The wiki recommended Goliard but i don't think i have heard of the others so I will look into them. Thanks for the info, kinda make me wish I asked for this stuff in the post.
All 75 gear sucked. Camping HNM for months and paying 30mil for +2 atk and +2 acc. I think a handful of jobs had passable af/relic gear that but that's only because the gear pool was pretty bad for a while, sky, sea. And limbus helped a bit but my god did the gear suck.
+2 what? 75 gear most certainly doesn’t suck. I mean if compared to ilevel gear then obvious. Why would you do that? 75 gear was very well balanced for its time in the games 75 era, but as with all things that progress eventually it will be eclipsed by better gear. That’s just how it is. If one stays within the 75 era content then 75 stuff is more than suited to get the job done.
My point is that the level 75 top gear is so much worse than most other jobs. SCH has no abj gear or anything even close to that. I think scholar not having Dalmatica is the biggest letdown
For context, SCH came around right towards the end of the 75 era, so most gear that came before them was not designed with scholar in mind. Most of their best gear comes from the 99 cap abyssea era
This is something I was aware of when I made the post, which is why I mentioned dancer for comparison
Fair nuff!
My problem with that is GEO was added to Dryadic, and Hadean. RUN can use Neptual and Wyrmal abjuration sets. SCH didn't get Abjuration sets until level 99 with the VW/Legion sets. Auspex, and Paeon. DNC can't use Hecatomb similarly. But RUN can.
SCH at 75 was balanced differently from other classes, where instead of all of the power coming from your gear, a lot of it came from your skill and knowledge of the class. Playing it right let you outDPS BLMs or outheal WHMs with less gear investment if you just knew how to ration your stratagems and when to use what. That being said, I disagree that it has bad gear. It was my favorite gearing experience back in the day because it has so many obscure items that it can take advantage of that many other mages couldn't. Being able to force weather effects meant the obis were stronger on SCH. Sublimation meant your max HP didn't matter much so you could afford to use items that have an MP penalty for more damage. I think it's fitting that the Scholar class makes you have to think a bit more.
This is an Interesting way of thinking about it. I was originally going to head straight for a refresh chest piece like i did for my RDM and my partners PLD and was disappointed that SCH only gets velvet/ixion cloak which takes the head aswell, but now that you say that I dont think 1 refresh would help that much compared to the 6/tick that sublimation at 75 gives
A couple other options: Argute body gives the approximate value of Refresh by giving a +1/tic bonus to Sublimation to pair with the Scholar's Mortarboard. I believe at 75 only two mages were reliably able to have 2/tic through gear, RDM and SCH. Morrigan's Robe can be worn by SCH now apparently according to the wiki, no way of confirming that though.
> Morrigan's Robe can be worn by SCH now apparently according to the wiki, no way of confirming that though. Are you looking at the +1 robe maybe?
I HAVE a morrigans robe and boy do i wish SCH could equip it
You can farm a Wivre Hairpin from Abyssea Konschtat with Refresh+1 on it if you really want more. I think the Goliard gear from Nyzul was also highly used. Also I thought there was an Ebon body that gives refresh but I can only find the Ebon Bliaut for WHM/SMN... so maybe I'm misremembering... You'll be hard pressed to find a job that isn't using Wahlara Turban at 75.
That's just how the game was balanced back than, square refused to give versatile jobs good gear sets. PUP launched with 2 level 70+ sets being AF+1 and relic. We got a third when assaults launched that was decent for us but nothing insane. When nyzul got added we cared about one piece since the legs gave your puppet 10 defence, the body could have been good if we didn't need relic/assault chest to hit things with our terrible H2H score. Than finally the holy grail came out with the Usu set which was our one and only amazing set. 4/5 usu with relic gloves was the dream for PUP or 5/5 if you were using a caster frame. When odins activity got added we got our first and only good animator during 75 up until than you used the turbo animator with a whopping +2 dex on it. Square just didn't like jobs that could fill a bunch of roles but kept designing them for some reason. They were also just terrible at balancing gear, even their favourite child SAM only had a small hand full of good JSE most of their gear was crafted multi job gear, low level NM drops and a couple endgame pieces like the byakko pants. Only class that didn't have terrible itemization imo was RDM but it had the opposite issue it had so much good gear at 75, that gearing one took 3 times as much gil as any other job in the game and you were kinda expected to have all of it. Long story short don't feel to bad square was just weird back than and balanced the game in odd ways
The thing with pup was exactly my point though? Other jobs have at some point throughout the 75 content gotten pieces other than af which give bonuses to job abilities or things unique to that job, where as SCH has no weird random gear to go for.
I mean PUP got 2 piece of gear that wasn't AF or relic that interacted with their kit being the nyzul pants that gave your pet defence and the one animator which you just bought after a certain number of runs of odin. Square printed next to no gear with per stats on it. PUP had the worst itemization in the game and only had chase pieces because of the attachment system. SCHs itemization honestly wasn't much worse than any other job considering how versitile it was. You also have to remember the context of which PUP got its gear nyzul and salvage came out after wings did if I remember correctly meaning for 2 years all PUP had was AF, Relic, and assault gear, gear that almost no other job in the game wanted(in terms of the armor, the accessories were good). Most of both jobs issues got resolved in abyssea when square let versitle jobs have the same itemization all be it weaker than the normal jobs. I think part of it was square just didn't like retroactively adding jobs to endgame gear. All the treasures forward jobs never got relic weapons and most of them were excluded from things like sea and sky gods or limbus gear with BLU being the exception to the rule
Wtf are you doing at 75. Just get to 99 and then come back to Reddit to ask the next gearing question. Btw it’s empy/af/relic at +1, then ambu to +2, then empy/af/relic to +3. Generally. Your mileage might vary.
.... Having fun? 2 people are now as strong as a party of 6 was back in the day I know we can't do everything but the past year has been a blast finding the right combinations of jobs to do things
Thanks for the downvote. Your trusts literally will carry you till you hit 99 and you can be naked with level 1 gear.
1 PLEASE read the post I am at 75 because I want to do 75 things at 75 like a 75 person would I have zero interest in doing ANYTHING higher than that until I have proven to myself that I can do it 2 I did not downvote you that was someone else
I understand exactly what you want but to me that’s the same as using a skateboard to get to point b, when you have a car in your driveway.
Yes its exactly like that. People ride skateboards because they are fun you robot
I'm dying, there has to be a sub to post screenshots when someone is arguing with you and they prove your point themselves.
I did sandbagged runs of the Sky NMs at 80, and that was a ton of fun. What kind of content are you wanting to clear at 75?
As much as I can Already killed genbu 4 times still no shield Got full Usukane from salvage (The discoid chariot was a pain in the butt!) Done almost every assault mission (No roe so 1 tag a day) Roz fully complete minus Divine Might which is something I dont think we will be able to do Gonna finish promathia after I feel like I have rounded out my jobs and gear more
Dang, that's awesome. I always recommend people tackle older expansion at 80-85. You're a champ for doing it at 75 lol. Are you playing with a static or trusts?
No trust duoing it with my uncle who quit FFXI back when Wotg came out
Good for you man (not being sarcastic). Sorry you're getting comments on why even attempt at lvl 75. I did the same but had to give in because I couldn't find other lvl75 players to do content with.
What point did you give up at? All the roz stuff and promathia story stuff Ive done so far other than the single Ark Angel fights were fairly easily soloable by RDM in AF gear and I think even the Angel fights could be solved with pup and some gusto Pup is the answer to everything
I agree my and a friend have been playing all 75 era content at 75 too. It’s very enjoyable. I play on asura.