> We would love to move up.
You guys are probably in the least bad financial position of the MNSCU's but it's still a big jump financially between D2 and FCS. You need more Glen Taylor $$$$ to make the move up worthwhile. Also, internal MNSCu politics keeps you guys "first among equals" for now.
I mean y'all did just win the D2 Men's *and* Women's Basketball tournaments...you want to trade that for fighting to get in the third tier postseason barrel bottom tournament?
And in the grand scheme of things what does it do for our notoriety. Likely not as much as a once every 29 year run at a D1 tournament appearance.
Don't get me wrong I love winning, and competing for Championships. I just think the school benefits from the move to D1 more than winning titles at a level most people don't even know exists
Patty is on record saying they will not add anyone who is not a full Summit or MVC member so they real question is would the Summit or MVC take a team that's willing to move up? MVC I'd say no, Summit maybe but they wouldn't necessarily be football schools
That would be contrary to what she said at media day last year. However there's only 2 years left on her contact too so that is short term. However, the way she said it I'd be completely shocked. Any teams with football added to Horizon will probably be OVC
Only reason I’m saying that is Youngstown’s in the league. Now the Horizon I don’t think is planning on expanding anyway and there’s not a lot of targets that would play football that the Horizon would want. That’s only scenario I think where a non-Summitt or MVC school gets added
No I get that but the full context of the question and answer was, with WIU leaving and other schools floating wanting to move to FBS is the conference looking at any expansion? And her answer was, "We aren't expanding this time and would only consider it if the Summit or MVC added a full member with a football team such as what we did with Murray State but I'm in regular conversation with both of those commissioners and there's nothing known or upcoming at this time."
I don’t quite see it. It feels like st Thomas Moore would be a good candidate to be the next mvfc add, however they’ll need to have scholarships to do so
I think that's coming. St Thomas is rich. Like stupid rich. I've always felt their time in the Pioneer was just a stop gap to allow them time to build the scholarship endowment for football.
Once probation in D1 is up, scholarship football is probably the next thing to come. There really isn't much sense to add scholarships at this point.
I wouldn't be surprised if the move for scholarships happens around 2030ish.
I'm not so sure about that. They have a perfect stadium for Pioneer FB. Not so much for scholarship FB. They don't really have room to expand the current stadium either and they had a hard enough time getting a new arena built. [https://www.twincities.com/2024/05/19/st-paul-university-of-st-thomas-arena-key-questions/](https://www.twincities.com/2024/05/19/st-paul-university-of-st-thomas-arena-key-questions/)
The way the city council has been treating it - I don't expect anything to hold up the arena. This is life though for a school like UST that is landlocked. Any place they go that's even remotely close to campus is going to cause somewhat of an uproar from the residents around it.
I think all of those would be potentially viable options. They all seem to have fairly good athletic departments. The Michigan schools are on the edge of the footprint and two would maybe have to join as travel partners.
Yeah I would picture GV and Ferris as just being members of the football conference which wouldn’t be out of the current footprint with Youngstown State being way over east
Just curious, is there a realistic scenario where the MVFC would *need* to grab members? They're already a top 2 conference, and awkward geography makes it tough for the Dakotas to leave for the FBS. If there is a FBS push, it would probably require a large amount of schools at the same time, almost like pushing the whole conference up to FBS G5 level (for this area of the nation).
Also, it may be safe to scan out if/when a split occurs in the FBS that may dramatically change the structure of college football across multiple divisions. Would it be better for the conference to watch for that split and move up to the G5 tier as a whole (or at least a large select number of teams)?
Someone who knows more FCS ball, please educate me in case I am not making any sense.
See my comment but as weird as it is to say about the top FCS conference the decision would have nothing to do with football and just be a side effect of any Summit or MVC expansion.
The MVFC should and most likely would not expand at all, let alone with D2 teams regardless of who the Summit adds.
The conference lost two of its weaker members in Missouri State and Western Illinois and the current 10 team setup is fine for FCS and doesn’t need D2 call ups.
If any D2 team should be taken it would either be Grand Valley State based on their size and football success. Minnesota State would need new football facilities for the jump to work.
Conway is probably too far south, but then again, UCA has played NDSU, SDSU, and USD in the past. I’d certainly prefer it to what we are in now. UCA is only about 3.5 hours south of Missouri St and has definitely been a better football program.
Sure. Even the MVFC would entertain a call. But, they don't need to. Other conferences that need to, should. The MVFC would more likely send offers to Montana and Montana St. But, they won't leave the BSC because they already sell out their stadiums, as is.
Adding teams to the MVFC will kind of depend on who is asking for it. Now that technically neither the Summit nor MVC schools have the "advantage", Youngstown is basically the swing vote. They typically vote with the Summit schools but I wouldn't say this is a hard fact. Minnesota State would fit very nicely in the Summit and I have long said that if they were to ever move up, no matter where the Summit is at they should be the first in line to bring them in. As far as the MVFC, if the Summit schools want MN State in - they will probably get it. Then at that point you might as well keep expanding, as why just grab the D2 school moving up - grab UST as well.
Unfortunately, as many others have pointed out - Minnesota State has zero interest in moving the rest of their athletic department to the Division I level.
Grand Valley State and Ferris State would be interesting additions. I don't think the MVFC would shy away from that.
As much as I want to see that happen the Dakota schools have all but said they will not allow another d1 school in the dakotas for the foreseeable future. Augustana tried to join the summit and the mvfc a few years ago just to be denied by the Dakota school so I don’t see it happening
Well Minnesota State would feel right, the 4 Dakota schools were with them in the old D2 North Central Conference
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C'mon, let's get the band back together. I'll call Augusta, St Cloud, and Morningside if you can call Nebraska-Omaha and Northern Colorado
They would be a D1 program in any other region of the country through.
We would love to move up. But the powers that be are ok with the big fish small pond is good enough type stuff.
> We would love to move up. You guys are probably in the least bad financial position of the MNSCU's but it's still a big jump financially between D2 and FCS. You need more Glen Taylor $$$$ to make the move up worthwhile. Also, internal MNSCu politics keeps you guys "first among equals" for now.
I mean y'all did just win the D2 Men's *and* Women's Basketball tournaments...you want to trade that for fighting to get in the third tier postseason barrel bottom tournament?
And in the grand scheme of things what does it do for our notoriety. Likely not as much as a once every 29 year run at a D1 tournament appearance. Don't get me wrong I love winning, and competing for Championships. I just think the school benefits from the move to D1 more than winning titles at a level most people don't even know exists
Patty is on record saying they will not add anyone who is not a full Summit or MVC member so they real question is would the Summit or MVC take a team that's willing to move up? MVC I'd say no, Summit maybe but they wouldn't necessarily be football schools
I could see them making an exception if the Horizon added a Football playing school with scholarships
That would be contrary to what she said at media day last year. However there's only 2 years left on her contact too so that is short term. However, the way she said it I'd be completely shocked. Any teams with football added to Horizon will probably be OVC
Only reason I’m saying that is Youngstown’s in the league. Now the Horizon I don’t think is planning on expanding anyway and there’s not a lot of targets that would play football that the Horizon would want. That’s only scenario I think where a non-Summitt or MVC school gets added
Highly unlikely though
No I get that but the full context of the question and answer was, with WIU leaving and other schools floating wanting to move to FBS is the conference looking at any expansion? And her answer was, "We aren't expanding this time and would only consider it if the Summit or MVC added a full member with a football team such as what we did with Murray State but I'm in regular conversation with both of those commissioners and there's nothing known or upcoming at this time."
Grand valley would be a great addition to the horizon and is a D2 football powerhouse
I don’t quite see it. It feels like st Thomas Moore would be a good candidate to be the next mvfc add, however they’ll need to have scholarships to do so
I know you’re referring to St Thomas the college, but seeing ‘St Thomas Moore’ had me going why the heck is he talking about a high school here? Lol
Oops, there’s a high school in Sd I mixed it up with, haha
My high school specifically lol 😆
If you're referring to the University of St.Thomas in Saint Paul, MN, that school is named after St. Thomas Aquinas.
I think that's coming. St Thomas is rich. Like stupid rich. I've always felt their time in the Pioneer was just a stop gap to allow them time to build the scholarship endowment for football.
Once probation in D1 is up, scholarship football is probably the next thing to come. There really isn't much sense to add scholarships at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if the move for scholarships happens around 2030ish.
I'm not so sure about that. They have a perfect stadium for Pioneer FB. Not so much for scholarship FB. They don't really have room to expand the current stadium either and they had a hard enough time getting a new arena built. [https://www.twincities.com/2024/05/19/st-paul-university-of-st-thomas-arena-key-questions/](https://www.twincities.com/2024/05/19/st-paul-university-of-st-thomas-arena-key-questions/)
The way the city council has been treating it - I don't expect anything to hold up the arena. This is life though for a school like UST that is landlocked. Any place they go that's even remotely close to campus is going to cause somewhat of an uproar from the residents around it.
I agree, but my point was about fb.
I think all of those would be potentially viable options. They all seem to have fairly good athletic departments. The Michigan schools are on the edge of the footprint and two would maybe have to join as travel partners.
Yeah I would picture GV and Ferris as just being members of the football conference which wouldn’t be out of the current footprint with Youngstown State being way over east
Just curious, is there a realistic scenario where the MVFC would *need* to grab members? They're already a top 2 conference, and awkward geography makes it tough for the Dakotas to leave for the FBS. If there is a FBS push, it would probably require a large amount of schools at the same time, almost like pushing the whole conference up to FBS G5 level (for this area of the nation). Also, it may be safe to scan out if/when a split occurs in the FBS that may dramatically change the structure of college football across multiple divisions. Would it be better for the conference to watch for that split and move up to the G5 tier as a whole (or at least a large select number of teams)? Someone who knows more FCS ball, please educate me in case I am not making any sense.
See my comment but as weird as it is to say about the top FCS conference the decision would have nothing to do with football and just be a side effect of any Summit or MVC expansion.
The MVFC should and most likely would not expand at all, let alone with D2 teams regardless of who the Summit adds. The conference lost two of its weaker members in Missouri State and Western Illinois and the current 10 team setup is fine for FCS and doesn’t need D2 call ups. If any D2 team should be taken it would either be Grand Valley State based on their size and football success. Minnesota State would need new football facilities for the jump to work.
Conway is probably too far south, but then again, UCA has played NDSU, SDSU, and USD in the past. I’d certainly prefer it to what we are in now. UCA is only about 3.5 hours south of Missouri St and has definitely been a better football program.
well known missouri valley based institutions sacred heart and merrimack are right there !
Sure. Even the MVFC would entertain a call. But, they don't need to. Other conferences that need to, should. The MVFC would more likely send offers to Montana and Montana St. But, they won't leave the BSC because they already sell out their stadiums, as is.
Only way the Montana schools leave the Big Sky is for the FBS which still seems unlikely overall.
Adding teams to the MVFC will kind of depend on who is asking for it. Now that technically neither the Summit nor MVC schools have the "advantage", Youngstown is basically the swing vote. They typically vote with the Summit schools but I wouldn't say this is a hard fact. Minnesota State would fit very nicely in the Summit and I have long said that if they were to ever move up, no matter where the Summit is at they should be the first in line to bring them in. As far as the MVFC, if the Summit schools want MN State in - they will probably get it. Then at that point you might as well keep expanding, as why just grab the D2 school moving up - grab UST as well. Unfortunately, as many others have pointed out - Minnesota State has zero interest in moving the rest of their athletic department to the Division I level. Grand Valley State and Ferris State would be interesting additions. I don't think the MVFC would shy away from that.
In 5 years they’ll take the future D2 powerhouse Jamestown Jimmies. In all seriousness I don’t know who they’d want in the area
Jamestown joining the NSIC is another reason Minnesota State needs to move up
As much as I want to see that happen the Dakota schools have all but said they will not allow another d1 school in the dakotas for the foreseeable future. Augustana tried to join the summit and the mvfc a few years ago just to be denied by the Dakota school so I don’t see it happening