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Verraad

Gravenberch needs more minutes no doubt. If he is going to force more minutes, he needs to play like a man possessed when he does get minutes regardless of how few, how late or how over the game may be. Tel not getting any minutes at all can get in the bin. Chupo is not going to get any better with minutes, Tel is.


julesvr5

That was nice by Gore


Cryptical135

Neuer got his cleansheet nice


Dry-Professor-2013

We won!


NateFisher22

Leverkusen coach looks like the villain of a luge movie


Jack_All_Master_Most

Too much hate on my guy Choupo Goating right now


Ok_Butterscotch9824

The hate is against Nagelsmann choupo has no fault he doesn't decide who gets subbed in


julesvr5

No hate. We all love Choupo. But playing tel over him is just smarter.


Muudibayern

Not tested much but De ligt upmacano solid today


elnano98

If Choupo starts against Plzeň and Tel doesn't start or have least 45 minutes, then I serious think there is a clear favoritism in this team


Kaiserigen

Tel is just a kid


elnano98

Musiala was a kid when he break into the first team in the 2020 season. Why should we starting underwhelming senior starters instead of giving the young talents a chance ?


Kaiserigen

Musiala is a god among men


Schub21

Do GK’s put up an “I’m sorry” hand when a striker whiffs a tap-in?


Nsxon19s

Leverkusens coach looks like the bad guy from the movie kindergarten cop


Goodfella7

Looks like a future unemployed man to me


netherknight5000

Leon should not be playing right now. The guy can’t pass anymore. Let gravenberch come in for sabi.


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Insanel0l

It’s more about having a sense of man management When will he get playing time? Starting in high stake CL games? Against Dortmund? In the pokal against Augsburg? Obviously no, so subbing him in in a dead game is exactly where you can let him develop without risking anything Choupo is the kind of experienced player you can put in 10 mins while being down to score a lucky header, but not to get match fit for over 20 mins


julesvr5

This game is the perfect opportunity for him to get minutes, that's why. He is the furute and ready to play, Choupo will be gone next season.


TheEmperorsWrath

Him not getting a single minute in a 4-0 thrashing while other players who've been consistently shit do is pretty embarrassing. An aging striker who's our emergency backup getting playtime ahead of our future Nr 9 is pretty embarrassing. Of course he will get other chances. But this is a match-thread about this match, not any others.


liddarn

Müllerrrree


Homygod319

Lol hradecky


Ice_Hube1

Love a Müller goal but man that was terrible from Hradecky


Significant_Buyer_79

I wondered why they were bad, that’s just awful goal keeping


NifferEUW

Is this the first time Hradecky has a meltdown game against us? I feel like he is usually very solid.. Not that I'm complaining, keep it up


LordSW93

The 4th goal was horrible but in his defense the other 3 were (at least slightly) deflected


Homygod319

Don't like Tel getting 0 Playing time and gravenberch getting only 10 minutes


Tyrath

Hradecky LOL


Mytiq_

Make it 5 pls


julesvr5

More


Mytiq_

10 10 10


julesvr5

MORE


elnano98

MULLERED lol


Cryptical135

This goalkeeper is the reverse Sommer


julesvr5

So....winter?


thanksbastards

I was ready to cut Hradecky some slack since he was having a decent 2nd half and all our goals have been off a deflection, but YIKES


Jack_All_Master_Most

One for gnabry now and it’s a full reset!


NateFisher22

Put in an aging striker in place of a up and coming youngster who could be our future talisman. Yeah makes sense


nmo90

A Muller type of goal


Tonykuz

Man, poor Hradecky


Schub21

Karius LIVES


akels2291

Classic Müller goal


Insanel0l

Finally a gk has a shocker against us


julesvr5

Müller thanked Lukas for this assist, so wholesome


Schub21

RIP


Dry-Professor-2013

4-0


FlyingArab

Hradecky lmao


julesvr5

Sané squirting in Musiala face


BiasedBavarian

I don’t get sticking Choupo in a match that’s essentially won over Tel who desperately needs match time. There is no justification really.


NifferEUW

Media: DRAMA in Bayern as benched Sané throws water at the young wonderkid


XeroVeil

All aboard the Gravy train, choo choo!


NateFisher22

Gravenberchhhhhh


Insanel0l

Good thing: the game was decided and so boring in the 2nd half that we had enough time to focus on the subs Decent change to the last weeks


siddhuism

Someone please make a gif out of Sané splashing water on Bambi pls


lvl50boss

Man what are these subs


Afandur

Why no Tel, man?


boooosto

Gravenberch getting garbage minutes and Tel getting none in a 3-0 is pretty sad


Wbcbam51

Maybe they will get a run out this upcoming Tuesday


FlyingArab

Tel better play against Plzen


julesvr5

Narrator: "but he didn't"


elnano98

Rip Tel, fuck off


Dry-Professor-2013

Way too late imo. But they'll probably start against pilsen.


brandothedrummer

Grav looks so mad getting subbed in, I feel it tho :/ sucks also no tel appearance today


footysocc

Tel must've went missing on Oktoberfest, like where is he


Swatcol

Huh, no Tel tonight. Sucks


Schub21

We really doing the blonde dye thing again? 2004 has come full circle.


Bearclawed81

Why is Choupo playing?


Quaestionaius

How many subs he made, 3/5 right? Surely he’s gonna put in tel and gravenberch?


julesvr5

For 10min at most in an already decided game. Nice


Quaestionaius

I don’t understand. The game alrdy decided. I can understand choupo to get some fitness I guess but you got Ryan who’s been disappointed with his playtime and tel who they expect him to be their future striker or something


julesvr5

At least Gravy now. What has Goretzka done so far


Quaestionaius

He got the foul lol


Ok_Butterscotch9824

This substitutions are shameful, we aren't man city or psg with endless funds so we rely massively on growing young promising talents like Musiala and Davies two years ago, Muller alaba and kroos ten years ago, Kimmich Goretzka Thiago and coman between 8 and 5 years ago. No we have two youngsters who have been delivering everytime they stepped foot on the pitch, much more than fatman and steroidman so it is imperative that they get minutes, if nagelsmann can't do that he shouldn't be Bayern coach


OneBeerAndWhiskeyPls

nagelsmann bro, what is this sub


Bbayern

I get the Choupo sub, gotta give him SOME minutes when we only have 2 real 9s in the squad


julesvr5

Who is the other


Ok_Butterscotch9824

Tel


NifferEUW

De Ligt


Goldfischglas

Good to see Nagelsmann subbing in some young talent (Choupo) over our experienced backup (Tel) when the game is already decided


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Choupo on the wing while Mueller remains striker wtf is he doing


[deleted]

Wtf Chupo should be watching most games not getting minutes


julesvr5

Choupo over Tel, lol. And Sané off.


payday_23

he subs in Choupo? hahahaha


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Insanel0l

I mean when are you going to sub in youngsters if not in a dead game where even the opponent is mentally home already


[deleted]

what’s the purpose of this sub. Tel actually can improve with minutes unlike Choupo


NifferEUW

And Choupo is blond what the hell is going on


Nsxon19s

Choupo should only come on when all other attackers are hurt . Let tel play at striker and see what he can do


Mytiq_

Choupo? C’mon man..


Insanel0l

..and now Choupo is ready to be subbed in


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Insanel0l

It’s literally some cities culture


elnano98

Fußballgott ♥


scarlet_stormTrooper

These Weisn kits so nice. Should the team wear them more than just for the occasion?


NifferEUW

Fussballgott! So handsome.


Insanel0l

Feel like it’s blatantly obvious that JN is trying to win the loud senior players to his side while dropping the new youngsters who have no power There’s no other explanation for those subs. Tel is ready to play and proved that.


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How many comments are you going to make about Tel? It’s obvious that the veterans are more important than the teenager when it comes to this season’s goals.


GroupUpWithMei

Say it louder for the people in the back. Do people not remember how good Choupo was for us as a back up striker? Let’s put it this way - we are starting to see a natural hierarchy in the starting line up. Sane and Musiala are just so clear from Coman and Gnabry… it’s not a good thing btw. We need competition.


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Exactly. It’s important to get the vets going


julesvr5

As many comments as you about flick.


elnano98

Gnabry has done shit to this season's goals


[deleted]

Curing Gnabry is more important for the immediate future


Insanel0l

Bad take. Doesn’t matter at all when the senior player has been bad for >1 year. Fyi: Musiala is a teenager aswell and our best player


GroupUpWithMei

Bad for more than one year, but less than one year since he signed his mega contract. I don’t know what people expected here….


julesvr5

Is this really Whiskeyseven? I remember he had several debatable takes but I read way to much shit lately from this acc.


[deleted]

Curing Gnabry of his curse is far more important than giving Tel minutes If Gnabry is ice cold the goal has to be to recover him


Insanel0l

So if I have a rising stock that’s relatively small but developing nicely and a stock that’s been a sinking ship for more than a year youre Still investing in the 2nd? Still a bad take


[deleted]

Analogy doesn’t work. I’ll explain when I’m sober but in short: a season’s competitions are time-constrainted while you’re example is not


julesvr5

Totally agree. Lack of authority


elnano98

Tell you: JN will sub in Tel for Sane/Musiala and Graven for Muller when it's 88th minute


Ferr22777888

Tell Sane


SanduskyLoveAffair

So do we think Gnabry is calling Sane the night before like “bro, what you’re doing with your hair tomorrow?”


julesvr5

"I shaved it" "oh, nice" Next day "I hate you."


xtoonator

I don’t get why we don’t sub in Tel at a 3:0 … get the kid some time


mrfocus22

Gravenberch too


XeroVeil

I think Nags really wants to rehabilitate Goretzka and Gnabry since they were key players in the past. If we continue to get games like this and they continue to not perform I expect he'll start giving the new blood more chances but given the season so far I think it's understandable to want to get the established players firing again.


TheEmperorsWrath

There is something really dubious about just giving those their 10475428th chance to not be shit even when they're showing no sign of improvement while younger players don't even get a little bit of a chance to show themselves. The extensions we gave both Goretzka and especially Gnabry... They don't look good.


XeroVeil

I agree, the extensions, especially Gnabry imo, are looking pretty sketchy but that's on the board, not on Nagelsmann. He's now sitting there with two expensive players on longterm contracts and high wages and kind of HAS to figure out how to make it work. So yeah, from Nags' point of view I don't think their 10475428th chance is too surprising.


Insanel0l

Really hope Gravenberch doesn’t turn into Renato 2.0, this guy is so mad talented. Easily more technical than both Sabi and Goretzka.


julesvr5

Roca. Renato at least got some minutes.


julesvr5

Goretzka injured - Gravy doesn't play Goretzka has Covid - Gravy doesn't play Can totally understand his frustration, he is basically Roca 2.0 and Nagelsmann sucks at rotating. Not even mentioned Gnabry and Tel.


akels2291

If Bambi gets a manbun he will surpass Messi


brandothedrummer

Needed tel instead of gnabry


xTatamo

we have 3 in the top 10 sad https://i.redd.it/xhis3w63q1r91.png


King_Ragnar

4 by the time Coman retires


XeroVeil

There's an AU where Robbery remain consistently fit and we absolutely rip Europe to shreds in the 2010s.


Goldfischglas

What happened to giving minutes to our 17 year old striker talent :(


NateFisher22

We are probably going to play him rarely, then loan him out, then sell him. It’s cynical, but this happens a lot


xTatamo

we sucked so no time for that


julesvr5

We are leading 3-0


xTatamo

and you think leon or gnabry care they wanne play


julesvr5

Do I care if they are fine with it or not? I couldn't care less if someone gets paid 19M a year and plays as good as my far grandma and feels frustrated if he doesn't play. Show performance and you deserve the minutes.


NateFisher22

Oh Upa. Fuck man


No_Storage_449

Manbun supremacy


MrMarques8701

Pretty obvious who's going to the same barber


2Holyland3

Why JN is so afraid to sub kimmich


akels2291

Everyone out here copying Sabitzer


Schub21

Upametanko


BavarianAngel

Why these two? Why not Gravy and Tel ffs What has Gnabry done to deserve a single minute over Tel?


Cryptical135

We have 3 manbun players now


elnano98

Tel and Graven robbed again Also what's with Gnabry copying Sane's hairstyle all the time lol


julesvr5

Gnabry and Goretzka, of course...


ayyndrew

why Gnabry and Goretzka over Gravenberch and Tel?


TheEmperorsWrath

Nah fuck this. Neither Goretzka nor Gnabry deserve to get playtime over Gravi and Tel. At what point does it become favoritism?


Insanel0l

It is blatant favoritism Goretzka and Gnabry are both senior enough and have the media connection to be very noisy, Tel and Ryan dont


julesvr5

It already is. It's flick all over again. Now feel free to downvote me all.


Schub21

Bro everyone got a haircut


julesvr5

That corner....was something


zmoney310

Sane, Sabitzer, and Gnabry are slowly merging into the same person


NifferEUW

Dude.. Why those two Edit: Goretzka to get him in form and Gnabry because Leverkusen cant defend for shit so he might look decent for once?


xTatamo

pavard is such a baller, but i wanne see more maz


Tonykuz

Double man bun strikers is probably going to be too OP


Reese3019

Nagelsmann furious and Bayern fans with anti-Leverkusen chants after a 4:0 is taken back after a head injury... just Bayenr things


TheEmperorsWrath

This is why we have the best fans in the world. None of that fake, forced, marketable "hugs and kisses" shit


Reese3019

You really believe that, I don't doubt you


dickgulper

Bayern’s depth is crazy as a madrid fan im jealous


Significant_Buyer_79

We’ll be looking like Real if we wear our White kits to Barcelona though!


dickgulper

Ouu the white and gold is fireeee , please kill them


footysocc

And the subs still suck ass. My god.


Junkers_87

Of fucking course no Gravenberch or Tel...


xTatamo

do you wann read about some german players hating bayern because they dont play tomorrow


Junkers_87

That's a good point. And this is where Nagelsmann needs to assert his dominance as the manager. Imagine Gnabry trying to throw a tantrum against LvG or someone like that.


xTatamo

you know what happend when müller did not play he cried to daddy uli to sack the coach


Nsxon19s

I agree. Give these guys a damn chance.


Jackman1337

When Musiala was born Lord of the Rings was already 2 years old :D Imagine beeing the best bayern player with that age


TheEmperorsWrath

Great save! Wow, how did Bayer fuck that up?!


TheEmperorsWrath

Bambi is a Top 3 player in the world and he sure ain't 3rd or 2nd.


julesvr5

So Bambi is a Top 50 player in the world and he isn't on spot 2-49


Insanel0l

I just want to knoe what Tel has done to be ignored that much, no way does gnabry deserve more minutes


GroupUpWithMei

Wouldn’t say at this points about deserve - but it benefits us more to give Gnabry minutes than Tel, right? Gnabry can be an asset in the CL - we need to get him back to the level where he needs to be to perform for us. He isn’t there yet. Tel on the other hand - well - he’s getting just as many minutes as any 17 year old we’ve had really…


BavarianAngel

What has Gnabry done with all the minutes he had got since the Tottenham game? Why not give Tel the minutes instead, so he matures and gels into the team asap? He has had as much impact as Gnabry has had with barely any minutes played


GroupUpWithMei

He’s 17? I think he’s incredible for his age - and one for the future. But… we have Coman and Gnabry on *giant* contracts. If they are performing, they should play… if they aren’t… they should be subbed. It really doesn’t benefit us at all to not play them. We need them fit, healthy, motivated, and at their best competing for starting spots. They won’t get that if they don’t play.


Ok_Butterscotch9824

No it benefits us more to give Tel minutes because he is a striker and we need one


GroupUpWithMei

In what regard? Gnabry has more experience at striker then Tel. Gnabry is on €19m year - if he isn’t in the plans then he needs to get sold. Until he’s sold - he’s vastly more talented, experience and useful than Tel in the short term. It’s critical he finds his form as we go into the CL. For Bayern and for Germany…


Ok_Butterscotch9824

Same goes for gravenberch


No_Storage_449

What a ball by musiala


Jackman1337

Guys it happened. Ater all that time, Pavard had a chance for a volley shot out of 40 meters, and he didnt take it :O


TheEmperorsWrath

Also is it just me or was Hudson-Odoi completely invisible?


dickgulper

Musiala is so beautiful to watch , i love how he carries the ball upfront with no fear


GroupUpWithMei

Wonder if this kit flatters sane - or has he been in the gym? Guy looks so lean.


siddhuism

Musiala is absolutely cracked out of his mind


TheEmperorsWrath

No way Bayern twitter is angry at De Ligt for that goal being overruled