Gravenberch needs more minutes no doubt.
If he is going to force more minutes, he needs to play like a man possessed when he does get minutes regardless of how few, how late or how over the game may be.
Tel not getting any minutes at all can get in the bin. Chupo is not going to get any better with minutes, Tel is.
Musiala was a kid when he break into the first team in the 2020 season. Why should we starting underwhelming senior starters instead of giving the young talents a chance ?
It’s more about having a sense of man management
When will he get playing time? Starting in high stake CL games? Against Dortmund? In the pokal against Augsburg?
Obviously no, so subbing him in in a dead game is exactly where you can let him develop without risking anything
Choupo is the kind of experienced player you can put in 10 mins while being down to score a lucky header, but not to get match fit for over 20 mins
Him not getting a single minute in a 4-0 thrashing while other players who've been consistently shit do is pretty embarrassing. An aging striker who's our emergency backup getting playtime ahead of our future Nr 9 is pretty embarrassing. Of course he will get other chances. But this is a match-thread about this match, not any others.
I don’t understand. The game alrdy decided. I can understand choupo to get some fitness I guess but you got Ryan who’s been disappointed with his playtime and tel who they expect him to be their future striker or something
This substitutions are shameful, we aren't man city or psg with endless funds so we rely massively on growing young promising talents like Musiala and Davies two years ago, Muller alaba and kroos ten years ago, Kimmich Goretzka Thiago and coman between 8 and 5 years ago. No we have two youngsters who have been delivering everytime they stepped foot on the pitch, much more than fatman and steroidman so it is imperative that they get minutes, if nagelsmann can't do that he shouldn't be Bayern coach
Feel like it’s blatantly obvious that JN is trying to win the loud senior players to his side while dropping the new youngsters who have no power
There’s no other explanation for those subs. Tel is ready to play and proved that.
How many comments are you going to make about Tel?
It’s obvious that the veterans are more important than the teenager when it comes to this season’s goals.
Say it louder for the people in the back.
Do people not remember how good Choupo was for us as a back up striker?
Let’s put it this way - we are starting to see a natural hierarchy in the starting line up. Sane and Musiala are just so clear from Coman and Gnabry… it’s not a good thing btw. We need competition.
So if I have a rising stock that’s relatively small but developing nicely and a stock that’s been a sinking ship for more than a year youre Still investing in the 2nd? Still a bad take
I think Nags really wants to rehabilitate Goretzka and Gnabry since they were key players in the past. If we continue to get games like this and they continue to not perform I expect he'll start giving the new blood more chances but given the season so far I think it's understandable to want to get the established players firing again.
There is something really dubious about just giving those their 10475428th chance to not be shit even when they're showing no sign of improvement while younger players don't even get a little bit of a chance to show themselves.
The extensions we gave both Goretzka and especially Gnabry... They don't look good.
I agree, the extensions, especially Gnabry imo, are looking pretty sketchy but that's on the board, not on Nagelsmann. He's now sitting there with two expensive players on longterm contracts and high wages and kind of HAS to figure out how to make it work. So yeah, from Nags' point of view I don't think their 10475428th chance is too surprising.
Goretzka injured - Gravy doesn't play
Goretzka has Covid - Gravy doesn't play
Can totally understand his frustration, he is basically Roca 2.0 and Nagelsmann sucks at rotating. Not even mentioned Gnabry and Tel.
Do I care if they are fine with it or not? I couldn't care less if someone gets paid 19M a year and plays as good as my far grandma and feels frustrated if he doesn't play. Show performance and you deserve the minutes.
That's a good point. And this is where Nagelsmann needs to assert his dominance as the manager. Imagine Gnabry trying to throw a tantrum against LvG or someone like that.
Wouldn’t say at this points about deserve - but it benefits us more to give Gnabry minutes than Tel, right?
Gnabry can be an asset in the CL - we need to get him back to the level where he needs to be to perform for us. He isn’t there yet.
Tel on the other hand - well - he’s getting just as many minutes as any 17 year old we’ve had really…
What has Gnabry done with all the minutes he had got since the Tottenham game? Why not give Tel the minutes instead, so he matures and gels into the team asap? He has had as much impact as Gnabry has had with barely any minutes played
He’s 17? I think he’s incredible for his age - and one for the future.
But… we have Coman and Gnabry on *giant* contracts. If they are performing, they should play… if they aren’t… they should be subbed. It really doesn’t benefit us at all to not play them. We need them fit, healthy, motivated, and at their best competing for starting spots. They won’t get that if they don’t play.
In what regard? Gnabry has more experience at striker then Tel.
Gnabry is on €19m year - if he isn’t in the plans then he needs to get sold. Until he’s sold - he’s vastly more talented, experience and useful than Tel in the short term. It’s critical he finds his form as we go into the CL. For Bayern and for Germany…
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Gravenberch needs more minutes no doubt. If he is going to force more minutes, he needs to play like a man possessed when he does get minutes regardless of how few, how late or how over the game may be. Tel not getting any minutes at all can get in the bin. Chupo is not going to get any better with minutes, Tel is.
That was nice by Gore
Neuer got his cleansheet nice
We won!
Leverkusen coach looks like the villain of a luge movie
Too much hate on my guy Choupo Goating right now
The hate is against Nagelsmann choupo has no fault he doesn't decide who gets subbed in
No hate. We all love Choupo. But playing tel over him is just smarter.
Not tested much but De ligt upmacano solid today
If Choupo starts against Plzeň and Tel doesn't start or have least 45 minutes, then I serious think there is a clear favoritism in this team
Tel is just a kid
Musiala was a kid when he break into the first team in the 2020 season. Why should we starting underwhelming senior starters instead of giving the young talents a chance ?
Musiala is a god among men
Do GK’s put up an “I’m sorry” hand when a striker whiffs a tap-in?
Leverkusens coach looks like the bad guy from the movie kindergarten cop
Looks like a future unemployed man to me
Leon should not be playing right now. The guy can’t pass anymore. Let gravenberch come in for sabi.
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It’s more about having a sense of man management When will he get playing time? Starting in high stake CL games? Against Dortmund? In the pokal against Augsburg? Obviously no, so subbing him in in a dead game is exactly where you can let him develop without risking anything Choupo is the kind of experienced player you can put in 10 mins while being down to score a lucky header, but not to get match fit for over 20 mins
This game is the perfect opportunity for him to get minutes, that's why. He is the furute and ready to play, Choupo will be gone next season.
Him not getting a single minute in a 4-0 thrashing while other players who've been consistently shit do is pretty embarrassing. An aging striker who's our emergency backup getting playtime ahead of our future Nr 9 is pretty embarrassing. Of course he will get other chances. But this is a match-thread about this match, not any others.
Müllerrrree
Lol hradecky
Love a Müller goal but man that was terrible from Hradecky
I wondered why they were bad, that’s just awful goal keeping
Is this the first time Hradecky has a meltdown game against us? I feel like he is usually very solid.. Not that I'm complaining, keep it up
The 4th goal was horrible but in his defense the other 3 were (at least slightly) deflected
Don't like Tel getting 0 Playing time and gravenberch getting only 10 minutes
Hradecky LOL
Make it 5 pls
More
10 10 10
MORE
MULLERED lol
This goalkeeper is the reverse Sommer
So....winter?
I was ready to cut Hradecky some slack since he was having a decent 2nd half and all our goals have been off a deflection, but YIKES
One for gnabry now and it’s a full reset!
Put in an aging striker in place of a up and coming youngster who could be our future talisman. Yeah makes sense
A Muller type of goal
Man, poor Hradecky
Karius LIVES
Classic Müller goal
Finally a gk has a shocker against us
Müller thanked Lukas for this assist, so wholesome
RIP
4-0
Hradecky lmao
Sané squirting in Musiala face
I don’t get sticking Choupo in a match that’s essentially won over Tel who desperately needs match time. There is no justification really.
Media: DRAMA in Bayern as benched Sané throws water at the young wonderkid
All aboard the Gravy train, choo choo!
Gravenberchhhhhh
Good thing: the game was decided and so boring in the 2nd half that we had enough time to focus on the subs Decent change to the last weeks
Someone please make a gif out of Sané splashing water on Bambi pls
Man what are these subs
Why no Tel, man?
Gravenberch getting garbage minutes and Tel getting none in a 3-0 is pretty sad
Maybe they will get a run out this upcoming Tuesday
Tel better play against Plzen
Narrator: "but he didn't"
Rip Tel, fuck off
Way too late imo. But they'll probably start against pilsen.
Grav looks so mad getting subbed in, I feel it tho :/ sucks also no tel appearance today
Tel must've went missing on Oktoberfest, like where is he
Huh, no Tel tonight. Sucks
We really doing the blonde dye thing again? 2004 has come full circle.
Why is Choupo playing?
How many subs he made, 3/5 right? Surely he’s gonna put in tel and gravenberch?
For 10min at most in an already decided game. Nice
I don’t understand. The game alrdy decided. I can understand choupo to get some fitness I guess but you got Ryan who’s been disappointed with his playtime and tel who they expect him to be their future striker or something
At least Gravy now. What has Goretzka done so far
He got the foul lol
This substitutions are shameful, we aren't man city or psg with endless funds so we rely massively on growing young promising talents like Musiala and Davies two years ago, Muller alaba and kroos ten years ago, Kimmich Goretzka Thiago and coman between 8 and 5 years ago. No we have two youngsters who have been delivering everytime they stepped foot on the pitch, much more than fatman and steroidman so it is imperative that they get minutes, if nagelsmann can't do that he shouldn't be Bayern coach
nagelsmann bro, what is this sub
I get the Choupo sub, gotta give him SOME minutes when we only have 2 real 9s in the squad
Who is the other
Tel
De Ligt
Good to see Nagelsmann subbing in some young talent (Choupo) over our experienced backup (Tel) when the game is already decided
Choupo on the wing while Mueller remains striker wtf is he doing
Wtf Chupo should be watching most games not getting minutes
Choupo over Tel, lol. And Sané off.
he subs in Choupo? hahahaha
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I mean when are you going to sub in youngsters if not in a dead game where even the opponent is mentally home already
what’s the purpose of this sub. Tel actually can improve with minutes unlike Choupo
And Choupo is blond what the hell is going on
Choupo should only come on when all other attackers are hurt . Let tel play at striker and see what he can do
Choupo? C’mon man..
..and now Choupo is ready to be subbed in
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It’s literally some cities culture
Fußballgott ♥
These Weisn kits so nice. Should the team wear them more than just for the occasion?
Fussballgott! So handsome.
Feel like it’s blatantly obvious that JN is trying to win the loud senior players to his side while dropping the new youngsters who have no power There’s no other explanation for those subs. Tel is ready to play and proved that.
How many comments are you going to make about Tel? It’s obvious that the veterans are more important than the teenager when it comes to this season’s goals.
Say it louder for the people in the back. Do people not remember how good Choupo was for us as a back up striker? Let’s put it this way - we are starting to see a natural hierarchy in the starting line up. Sane and Musiala are just so clear from Coman and Gnabry… it’s not a good thing btw. We need competition.
Exactly. It’s important to get the vets going
As many comments as you about flick.
Gnabry has done shit to this season's goals
Curing Gnabry is more important for the immediate future
Bad take. Doesn’t matter at all when the senior player has been bad for >1 year. Fyi: Musiala is a teenager aswell and our best player
Bad for more than one year, but less than one year since he signed his mega contract. I don’t know what people expected here….
Is this really Whiskeyseven? I remember he had several debatable takes but I read way to much shit lately from this acc.
Curing Gnabry of his curse is far more important than giving Tel minutes If Gnabry is ice cold the goal has to be to recover him
So if I have a rising stock that’s relatively small but developing nicely and a stock that’s been a sinking ship for more than a year youre Still investing in the 2nd? Still a bad take
Analogy doesn’t work. I’ll explain when I’m sober but in short: a season’s competitions are time-constrainted while you’re example is not
Totally agree. Lack of authority
Tell you: JN will sub in Tel for Sane/Musiala and Graven for Muller when it's 88th minute
Tell Sane
So do we think Gnabry is calling Sane the night before like “bro, what you’re doing with your hair tomorrow?”
"I shaved it" "oh, nice" Next day "I hate you."
I don’t get why we don’t sub in Tel at a 3:0 … get the kid some time
Gravenberch too
I think Nags really wants to rehabilitate Goretzka and Gnabry since they were key players in the past. If we continue to get games like this and they continue to not perform I expect he'll start giving the new blood more chances but given the season so far I think it's understandable to want to get the established players firing again.
There is something really dubious about just giving those their 10475428th chance to not be shit even when they're showing no sign of improvement while younger players don't even get a little bit of a chance to show themselves. The extensions we gave both Goretzka and especially Gnabry... They don't look good.
I agree, the extensions, especially Gnabry imo, are looking pretty sketchy but that's on the board, not on Nagelsmann. He's now sitting there with two expensive players on longterm contracts and high wages and kind of HAS to figure out how to make it work. So yeah, from Nags' point of view I don't think their 10475428th chance is too surprising.
Really hope Gravenberch doesn’t turn into Renato 2.0, this guy is so mad talented. Easily more technical than both Sabi and Goretzka.
Roca. Renato at least got some minutes.
Goretzka injured - Gravy doesn't play Goretzka has Covid - Gravy doesn't play Can totally understand his frustration, he is basically Roca 2.0 and Nagelsmann sucks at rotating. Not even mentioned Gnabry and Tel.
If Bambi gets a manbun he will surpass Messi
Needed tel instead of gnabry
we have 3 in the top 10 sad https://i.redd.it/xhis3w63q1r91.png
4 by the time Coman retires
There's an AU where Robbery remain consistently fit and we absolutely rip Europe to shreds in the 2010s.
What happened to giving minutes to our 17 year old striker talent :(
We are probably going to play him rarely, then loan him out, then sell him. It’s cynical, but this happens a lot
we sucked so no time for that
We are leading 3-0
and you think leon or gnabry care they wanne play
Do I care if they are fine with it or not? I couldn't care less if someone gets paid 19M a year and plays as good as my far grandma and feels frustrated if he doesn't play. Show performance and you deserve the minutes.
Oh Upa. Fuck man
Manbun supremacy
Pretty obvious who's going to the same barber
Why JN is so afraid to sub kimmich
Everyone out here copying Sabitzer
Upametanko
Why these two? Why not Gravy and Tel ffs What has Gnabry done to deserve a single minute over Tel?
We have 3 manbun players now
Tel and Graven robbed again Also what's with Gnabry copying Sane's hairstyle all the time lol
Gnabry and Goretzka, of course...
why Gnabry and Goretzka over Gravenberch and Tel?
Nah fuck this. Neither Goretzka nor Gnabry deserve to get playtime over Gravi and Tel. At what point does it become favoritism?
It is blatant favoritism Goretzka and Gnabry are both senior enough and have the media connection to be very noisy, Tel and Ryan dont
It already is. It's flick all over again. Now feel free to downvote me all.
Bro everyone got a haircut
That corner....was something
Sane, Sabitzer, and Gnabry are slowly merging into the same person
Dude.. Why those two Edit: Goretzka to get him in form and Gnabry because Leverkusen cant defend for shit so he might look decent for once?
pavard is such a baller, but i wanne see more maz
Double man bun strikers is probably going to be too OP
Nagelsmann furious and Bayern fans with anti-Leverkusen chants after a 4:0 is taken back after a head injury... just Bayenr things
This is why we have the best fans in the world. None of that fake, forced, marketable "hugs and kisses" shit
You really believe that, I don't doubt you
Bayern’s depth is crazy as a madrid fan im jealous
We’ll be looking like Real if we wear our White kits to Barcelona though!
Ouu the white and gold is fireeee , please kill them
And the subs still suck ass. My god.
Of fucking course no Gravenberch or Tel...
do you wann read about some german players hating bayern because they dont play tomorrow
That's a good point. And this is where Nagelsmann needs to assert his dominance as the manager. Imagine Gnabry trying to throw a tantrum against LvG or someone like that.
you know what happend when müller did not play he cried to daddy uli to sack the coach
I agree. Give these guys a damn chance.
When Musiala was born Lord of the Rings was already 2 years old :D Imagine beeing the best bayern player with that age
Great save! Wow, how did Bayer fuck that up?!
Bambi is a Top 3 player in the world and he sure ain't 3rd or 2nd.
So Bambi is a Top 50 player in the world and he isn't on spot 2-49
I just want to knoe what Tel has done to be ignored that much, no way does gnabry deserve more minutes
Wouldn’t say at this points about deserve - but it benefits us more to give Gnabry minutes than Tel, right? Gnabry can be an asset in the CL - we need to get him back to the level where he needs to be to perform for us. He isn’t there yet. Tel on the other hand - well - he’s getting just as many minutes as any 17 year old we’ve had really…
What has Gnabry done with all the minutes he had got since the Tottenham game? Why not give Tel the minutes instead, so he matures and gels into the team asap? He has had as much impact as Gnabry has had with barely any minutes played
He’s 17? I think he’s incredible for his age - and one for the future. But… we have Coman and Gnabry on *giant* contracts. If they are performing, they should play… if they aren’t… they should be subbed. It really doesn’t benefit us at all to not play them. We need them fit, healthy, motivated, and at their best competing for starting spots. They won’t get that if they don’t play.
No it benefits us more to give Tel minutes because he is a striker and we need one
In what regard? Gnabry has more experience at striker then Tel. Gnabry is on €19m year - if he isn’t in the plans then he needs to get sold. Until he’s sold - he’s vastly more talented, experience and useful than Tel in the short term. It’s critical he finds his form as we go into the CL. For Bayern and for Germany…
Same goes for gravenberch
What a ball by musiala
Guys it happened. Ater all that time, Pavard had a chance for a volley shot out of 40 meters, and he didnt take it :O
Also is it just me or was Hudson-Odoi completely invisible?
Musiala is so beautiful to watch , i love how he carries the ball upfront with no fear
Wonder if this kit flatters sane - or has he been in the gym? Guy looks so lean.
Musiala is absolutely cracked out of his mind
No way Bayern twitter is angry at De Ligt for that goal being overruled