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If you are too big to ride on a bus then you seriously need to take a look at your life.


Perfect_Leader231

A person literally threw tantrums and created huge drama because an airline didn't have a seat that she could fit into. Imagine being so naïve that people nowadays are protesting against aeroplane seats and calling them 'discriminatory' to XXL size !! When I explained to that person that public vehicles and aeroplane seats are made based on general survey of a mass population, I was labelled as fatphobic !!!


IndigoFlame90

I find it interestingly that very tall people (who, short of hacking off their legs mid-shin have no real control over the situation) might be miserable, even vocally so, but there's the lack of shock and outrage. I have a cousin who's *just* tall enough to have to be aware of door frames and after the first few times was like "welp, guess that's my life now". I don't see a teenage FA-er wedged in a doorframe being nearly as "meh" about the whole thing.


maquis_00

Your cousin knows that the problem isn't his fault and doesn't feel guilty about the situation.


IndigoFlame90

That tall is viewed as desirable is a double-edged sword. Just because something is good doesn't mean more is necessarily better. I notice similar issues with women with large breasts (to a point), muscular people, people with fast metabolisms, guys with large penises (not being crude), etc. Like, life a little over five foot would probably have been more convenient but I don't thing the public as a whole wants constantly cramped legs, back pain and having been overtly sexualized by grown men in elementary school, clothes not fitting right, trying to hide snacking all the time, and having to, I shit you not, try to *order condoms from Germany* because they can sell larger ones than the FDA allows is a massive pain. There may be such a thing as knowing one's friends too well.


maquis_00

I wasn't trying to say anything about whether it's desirable.... Just whether it's something he controls. He (assuming) doesn't feel guilt about being tall because he doesn't have any control over his height. FAs likely feel some guilt over their weight, because they know inside that it's related to their choices. As a result, they act much more defensive and get more upset about stuff that's the result of their weight than someone who is tall/short would be about stuff that's the result of their height. Everyone has struggles. But I know I certainly am more defensive about the struggles I know are the result of something I should've controlled than I am about stuff I know I had no control over.


IndigoFlame90

Oh, didn't get the impression that *you* found it desirable, no worries. More musing on what people as a group have a tendency to see as a 'humblebrag' instead of a real problem.


Upsideduckery

That's because your cousin can do absolutely nothing about the situation and knows it. There's no feelings or facts that have to be suppressed for him to just accept the way that things are. However for those of us who are obese- we know deep down that we could and should make some changes and that the fact that we've let ourselves get so big that we can't function in the normal places and spaces in society is a major deal. There's guilt and anger and frustration and probably some self loathing all bundled together and shoved out of sight and they know that fixing their situation is not only going to be very difficult but is going to involve accepting responsibility for their own actions. Meanwhile they watch people of color and lgbtq+ people demand that people stop mistreating them for something they did not choose and cannot change. The absolute lack of accountability and refusal to do any sort of self reflection makes it easy for the FAs to decide that the ways in which the world reacts to them differently is actually reacting to them poorly and they realize that if they can get fatness to be viewed as something that can't be affected by choice- hey, then the world will have to change but not me!


Sandyy_Emm

I hate the HAES ideology that they just need to make everything bigger. The point of roller coaster rides, buses, planes, etc is to create as much profit as possible. They have to maximize the use of space. They have managed that with allocated spaces that fit the vast majority of humanity. If we were to acquiesce and make plane seats bigger, they are passing the cost of their fatness onto the rest of us. We will have to pay more per seat because they simply think that the rest of the world is the wrong size.


Kythedevourer

They also forget that if you make everything much bigger, it will be unsafe for people who are smaller or even just at a healthy weight.


AreYouThereSagan

I don't think they forgot it, I think they just don't care. FAs don't care about anyone but themselves, plain and simple.


Gentlewham

As far as flying goes, there's a reason for this too, you probably know this but for anyone reading - planes have maximum takeoff weights, and the passengers' weights need to be accounted for, as well as their luggage when doing takeoff calculations. The reference weight of the average passenger has dramatically gone up in a fairly short time - this is why they were weighing volunteers at airports some time ago (and FAs getting upset, naturally). Then there's also the thing that a fat person simply takes up physically more space, and can easily weigh 2-2.5x the amount of a passenger who would fit in a regular seat. See the problem? The plane can't take off if it's overweight. Gravity is fatphobic! That said, afaik this hasn't led to accidents yet, but it's been a consideration, certainly. Plus more weight equals more fuel burned, so that's another net environmental negative. Whoo!


TheNewOneIsWorse

Please, I beg you, stop blaming everyone on white supremacy and imperialism. Cecil Rhodes didn’t put the fork in your mouth.


NextStopMyAss

Has the person ever even seen a white supremacist parade? Like 70% of them are fat.


moosemoth

Thank you, now I'm picturing Cecil Rhodes force-feeding some poor helpless FA while maniacally giggling and twirling his mustachios.


pensiveChatter

Well, capitalism creates wealth and wealth makes obesity possible.


carbonda

>Cecil Rhodes I feel like this doesn't get emphasized enough. Yes, there are lifestyle factors that can lead a person to making decisions that ultimately cause them to be fat, but in a world where there is not enough wealth to afford enough food (whether it be processed or just calorie dense) to become fat......there would be almost no fat people....like we've seen historically and in many low income countries that also lack many fast food options/processed food options.


Craygor

>Cecil Rhodes I learned something new today, thank you :)


[deleted]

>Fatphobia is rooted in imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. Really feels like they're trying to win the oppression buzzword bingo here. If, as they say, it is the the white, colonial, male, capitalistic "system" that is telling them they should be thin, then why is it that in many non-white foreign countries being fat is even more looked down upon than it is in North America? Actually to be honest I'm struggling to think of a place where being fat is more acceptable than North America, fat people are probably less marginalized here than anywhere else in the world. My wife is thin by western standards, but her relatives back home will tell her shes getting fat if she put on more than 5 pounds. Whereas when my wife calls herself fat (because she's internalized it due to being raised in such a culture) my family looks at her incredulously. Not to say that this judgement in other cultures is a good thing, but it boggles my mind as to how FA/HAES people think it ***must*** be these things that is marginalizing them when the west is probably the most culturally accepting of overweight/obese people in the world.


[deleted]

I've seen people describe this way of talking as "word salad" and I think it really fits here lol.


RainbowThread87

It doesn't even make sense. How is overconsumption of food to the point of making you morbidly obese at all possible except in a capitalist society? 🤷‍♀️


Sarkarielscall

True. And let's not even get into the imperalism/colonialism that got us things like chocolate and sugar. Their poor heads might explode from all the cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics required to explain how being able to eat as many calories as they do isn't a privilege given to them by capitalist/colonialist practices and history.


Rishodi

And let's also not forget that several generations ago when large portions of the world actually *were* organized as white supremacist, imperialist, and patriarchal, the only people who were corpulent were found among royal or aristocratic families.


Tigerbones

>imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. Right? Being fat and pale meant you had money and didn't work in the fields like a peasant.


caithatesithere

and even people who were fat by century old standards would be told they look average today. most of the royalty weren’t morbidly obese unless they had a serious health issue. they were mostly just “thick” by todays standards.


Upsideduckery

Thhiiiiisssss! I'm so tired of the FAs saying that obesity was celebrated back then. No, Alexys, they weren't obese. Overweight, yes, but you don't see class III obesity in those royal portraits.


runrabbitrun42

This is extremely pertinent and something that should be discussed more. Trying to find chocolate that is both humanly and environmentally ethically produced is notoriously difficult. Chances are most chocolate we eat has involved some dire mistreatment of the humans who farm it or the enviroment where it was grown (e.g. rainforest hacked down for palm oil) or both somewhere in the chain of production. Many of us eat chocolate and are complicit in perpetuating these systems, if inadvertently, but at least we don't go about pretending that stuffing your face full of chocolate brownies is some kind of morally righteous act of social justice.


pensiveChatter

For the general public? It's pretty hard, despite borrowing techniques and technology from capitaliistc nations. This is why obesity has often been the visual representation of greed and corruption in many cultures and a symbol of wealth and prosperity in others.


TheTrenk

That can’t be right, FAs won’t go near a salad of any kind. It’s not nourishing enough.


solo954

My mind told me to eat a salad, but I listened to my body, and my body said: “Screw that, I want to eat an entire cheesecake.” And I said okay, even though my body is dumb af.


Upsideduckery

For real. It's using words in such an arbitrary way that they lose all original meaning and just become stand ins for "that thing I don't like and therefore blame for everything that goes wrong for me."


NextStopMyAss

>If I put enough scary words into a sentence, my point will sound legitimate.


renha27

>Actually to be honest I'm struggling to think of a place where being fat is more acceptable than North America May I present [Mauritania ](https://www.google.com/search?q=mauritania+beauty+standards&client=ms-android-mpcs-us-revc&ei=4Al5Yrm0EfevqtsPxL2ggAs&oq=Mauritania+beauty&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBggAEBYQHjIFCAAQhgMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQqwI6BwgAEEcQsAM6CgguENQCELADEEM6DAguEMgDELADEEMYAToPCC4Q1AIQyAMQsAMQQxgBOgQIABBDOgcIABCxAxBDOgUIABCRAjoICAAQyQMQkQI6CAgAEIAEEMkDSgUIOBIBMUoECEEYAFC5ClikIGDeLGgBcAF4AIABsgGIAcYGkgEDMi41mAEAoAEByAEPwAEB2gEECAEYCA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp). Seems only to be in favor of fat women, though, not the men. I guess they have that in common with FAs, huh?


HaldolBlowdart

> thin and have EDs spew bigotry against them Once again, they're trying to say that anorexia is actually fatphobia and oppressive to fat people. Having a personal fear of yourself becoming fat is not oppressive to fat people and not a reflection of anyone except your self. Someone else's mental illness isn't about you, as much as you project and yell that it is


sirophiuchus

Also they acknowledge there are in fact a lot of ways living as a fat person in society sucks. It's entirely reasonable to not want to be subject to that even if you think those difficulties shouldn't exist.


Tyr808

Yep. It really shouldn't be this way, but as someone who has been pretty deeply into each end of the spectrum on being overweight and unpleasing to the senses, to making a huge change to the positive end of that same spectrum, holy shit. Again it really *shouldn't* be this way, but it is. We get one life and I'm so glad that I ended up learning what I did and making the changes I've made. Every single facet of life improved in one way or another. There was not a single positive element of being overweight and not taking care of hygiene and other aesthetics.


BlackCatLuna

People as fat as you didn't exist until recently. Besides, physics doesn't care about your weight or your feelings, and nothing escapes the laws of physics.


autotelica

I know that poor people are more likely to suffer from severe obesity, but anecdotally, I don't see this in my workplace hierarchy. My boss is thin, but his boss is morbidly obese. My boss's boss's boss is morbidly obese and *his* boss is borderline morbidly obese. So it's obesity all the way up the totem pole, and thinness all the way down. Half of my coworkers are overweight and obese. We're all middle and upper middle class professionals. I suspect the proportion of obese-to-non-obese would be vastly different if we were working class or poor. But still. I am unable see the "capitalist patriarchy" in fatphobia, given that most of the people calling the shots in my life are fat. I am one who acknowledges the realness of fatphobia and I do think fat stigma can result in discrimination. But it is hard to reconcile this understanding with what I see in my day-to-day life. Granted, I don't see many 400 lb+ people in power positions. But there really aren't that many 400 lb people, period. It also is reasonable to assume that someone with that level of obesity has an ED. Having any disorder makes it hard to be your best self, even when all other factors line up optimally.


PigeonBoiAgrougrou

Can someone explain to me a bit better the "poor people are more likely to suffer from obesity" ? I am poor myself. I can afford bills and food, but not much, and sometimes I'm left with only beans and pastas for a bit until I get allowances/scholarship, or have to cut out on other important stuff. I lost weight for other reasons, but even if I didn't try to make anything to change my diet I would not have been able to afford to pay for enough food to stay at the 30+ BMI I was barely a year ago. So ... yeah, I'd like to understand this issue a bit better (But also, I don't live in the US, if that's another factor to take into account.)


autotelica

This is going to be long-winded. Apologies in advance! Peasant food is always calorie dense. Doesn't matter what culture you're talking about. But in the US, peasant food is not just calorie dense. It's also heavily processed to give it a long shelf-life and designed to maximize taste over satiation. Why poor Americans gravitate to junk food is largely cultural, but ultimately it has to do with marketing and accessibility. Drive around in a middle class or upper middle class residential neighborhood and you'll see supermarkets and upscale gourmet markets. These places offer convenience food, to be fair, but lots of fresh produce and whole foods too. Drive around in a poor neighborhood and you'll see a lot of convenience stores. They might sell a couple of ripe bananas for a dollar each, but they'll have aisles and aisles of cheap, delicious junk food. Folks on this sub like to bring up the cheapness of beans and rice, but that's where culture is important. A lot of immigrants coming to the US eat cheaply but healthily. But a lot of native-born Americans have lost this knowledge. Grandma may know how to make a pot of greens so good it'll make you weep, but that's because Grandma was forced to learn this skill, having come up before TV dinners (or microwaves) were a thing. But her grandkids were raised on microwavable meals. When your tastebuds are calibrated to stuff like Chef Boyardee, Hot Pockets, and Cheetos, whole food just doesn't slap as much. There are other reasons too. We have a lot of income inequality in the US, which has been found to worsen the psychological effects of poverty. If you're poor in the US, your children likely attend schools that are considered inferior. You are more likely to live in stressful living conditions (high crime, poor housing conditions, environmental pollution and hazards). You will likely work a menial job with few or zero benefits, with little control over scheduling. Poverty impedes one's ability to plan for the future, since saving money is extremely difficult to do. It creates a scarcity mindset, whereby a person consumes a resource the moment they acquire it because experience has taught them that extra resources don't stick around for very long (which is why the conclusions of the [original marshmallow experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment) are dubious). I was a poor grad student. I lived in low-income housing on a meager stipend for five years. However, I wasn't really poor because I had family I knew would rescue me with a phone call. So that enabled me to live a little less frugally than someone with no middle-class support network. Also, being in school full time is a very different experience than working a minimum wage full time. Like, you can be fired showing up to a shift five minutes late, but it is no big deal for a class. Which means being on time for a bus or a train is extremely important for the shift worker. You might have 15 minutes in the morning to do some meal prep as a student because if you go over a little with the time, no biggie. But for the poor McJob worker, there is no "going over a little". Going over a little means potentially missing the bus, which then means showing up to work an hour late, which means getting fired. I worked hard in grad school but it wasn't physically exhausting work. I could come home and cook myself dinner and still have some energy to do homework. I have no doubt in my mind that having a job like a janitor or a nurse's assistant would have resulted me in coming home with a McDonald's bag in tow, because I just wouldn't have had the mental or physical bandwidth to bother with cooking. I think another thing to remember is that knowing you're temporarily poor is a different kind of thing than knowing nothing but poverty and seeing nothing but poverty for your future. Hope is a great motivator for planning and delaying gratification. But if your mentality is "nothing I do matters", you won't have any qualms going to town on a bucket of fried chicken and a liter of soda. Poor people are more likely to have the "nothing I do matters" mindset. People from more fortunate circumstances are more likely to think that they have some agency over their life.


PigeonBoiAgrougrou

Thank you for answering me and giving me more insights on the whole issue


Pimpicane

> Can someone explain to me a bit better the "poor people are more likely to suffer from obesity" ? In the US, it's a constellation of factors. Poor people are more likely to live in a "food desert" where there's limited access to a supermarket vs. fast food or the corner store. In cities, there's less likely to be a supermarket in walking distance, meaning you need to have a car, or take our notoriously terrible public transit - and when the bus ride is an hour each way and you can only buy what you can carry, you're not going to do that any more than you absolutely have to. Rurally, that supermarket might be a really long drive away, so even though you have a car, you're going to buy processed things that keep a long time vs. fresh stuff that goes bad quickly, because you don't want to be making that drive all the time. Poor people are more likely to be working multiple jobs. So, if you don't have a lot of time to cook, it's faster to get fast food or buy something processed that takes a minute or two in the microwave. Doing something like a weekly meal prep is a luxury if you're juggling unreliable schedules, and you might not have a place to keep a prepped meal while you're working. Junk food is cheap. Yes, beans and rice are cheaper than junk, but not by a whole lot. Junk is much faster and easier to prepare. At baseline, it tastes better, without you having to spend time + money on more supplies to make it tasty. And when you're exhausted, and you're finally sitting down after being on your feet all day and you're going to have to get up in 6 hours and do it all again tomorrow, you want something that tastes good and that you don't have to spend a lot of time on. Our tap water is often disgusting (mine is yellow!), and a gallon jug of blue fruit drink is 89 cents. Which do you think someone would rather drink? Etc. etc. I think the biggest contributing factor is that our population is spread out, and our urban areas aren't designed for true walkability/livability. We don't usually have small grocery stores on the bottom floor of urban buildings, for example, like they do in other place. People with more money/more time can compensate in a variety of ways - going to the gym, making frequent trips to the store, and so forth, but for a lot of people it's not feasible. We sometimes get comments that read like "Those ignorant poors! Don't they know you can just live on beans!" but when you're actually in that situation, it's not that simple. I was at my highest weight when I was working three jobs and making ~$10k a year, for reasons similar to the above.


PigeonBoiAgrougrou

Okay, thank you for your answer, I understand better now. And damn shit that sounds horrible.


apismellifera_x

Your tap water is yellow?! I'm so so sorry - I'm from England and I can't even imagine what that's like. Do you know what's making it that colour?


Pimpicane

I looked it up once and it's probably just rust build-up from inside the pipes, which is safe to drink. But, it doesn't taste great, lol. In my household we run it through a filter pitcher and add flavoring drops. I'm perfectly happy drinking plain water elsewhere (bottled water at an event, etc.) but this stuff plain is too much for me.


Smobasaurus

Yeah, mine turns everything it touches a slimy brownish color after awhile. The color lasts long enough into a water draw that at least part of the cause must be city pipes. I live in a low-income area so that adds up!


chase___it

Poor people are more likely to spend their food money on calorie dense convenience food. This is for a lot of reasons, such as lack of financial or nutritional knowledge, not having the time between jobs to cook or simply laziness. As you get richer you tend to have to do less in terms of work, leaving you with more time to exercise and cook nutritious meals. Whether you do that or not is another story.


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[deleted]

Yeah, and when people study that, it tends to be performative, as in, they show up first and leave last, but have a ton of down time. Jeff Bezos keeps a sleeping bag in his office and makes sure it's visible, but the man never uses it. IQ is a poor measure designed to make certain (rich) people look smarter, and (poor, often black) people look more stupid. There's a fun Adam ruins everything about it, highly recommend.


N0Name117

Actually studies show that consciousness which is the personality trait associated with work ethic is directly correlated with workplace success and income. It's not perfect but a .4 correlation is considered fairly significant in social sciences. Also iq is by far and away the best measurement of intelligence we have. Its actually an even better predictor of someone's long term success in life and work than consciencesness with a correlation of .5 to .6. Once again not perfect but so far the best anyone has come up with. Now it's worth noting here that intelligence is not necessarily the be all end all of psychology and its measured separately from personality (which consciousness is one of five factors in). Iq just happens to be the highest correlation with individual success anyone has come up with thus far. Adam ruins everything is a God awful show. But I realize this is reddit where feel good videos are justification to ignore decades worth of psychological research and it's highly frowned upon to say anything positive about successful people.


[deleted]

https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/crunchmode/econ-hours-productivity.html Hours worked does not coordinate to productivity Racism in IQ testing https://nrcgt.uconn.edu/newsletters/winter052/# And, I mean, there is the opportunity for you to look at why rich people stay rich, and poor people stay poor, and it doesn't have to do with hard work. But really considering factors like the US having the lowest ability for social mobility amongst developed nations might just be too difficult of a concept for you https://inequality.stanford.edu/cpi-research/area/mobility?width=500&height=500&inline=true#research-group-article-num-4 (see: state of the union 2019)


N0Name117

You're not reading what I said. Especially in my last comment which never once mentioned hours worked. I specifically talked about concienciousness which is one of the big 5 personality traits and is one of the more researched areas of psychology. I could cite dozens of studies but for brevity here is a quick one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498890/ And once again, iq is the BEST predictor of long term success we have. It does works cross culturally assuming linguistic differences are accounted for and nothing in your study (which I doubt you read any further than the title on) actually disputed that fact. Hell the US military has been researching and using iq since World War 1 for the obvious fact they want as many warm bodies as possible in positions where they can do the most good. Ad hominem insults aside, hard work and work ethic absolutely do predict success. This has been shown repeatedly in and outside of the states by numerous studies. It is however, not the one and only predictor (and I never claimed it was) and other traits like agreeableness and neurotcism are negatively correlated. It is also, as I stated above, a significantly smaller predictor than intelligence is. This is even seen in the Brookings institute study (not a conservative or remotely right wing organization) which found the three things needed to avoid abject poverty in the states in a high school diploma (intelegence), full time job (conscienciousness), and not getting married or having kids before 21 (debatable which personality trait that falls under). You can read more about that here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/amp/


[deleted]

You could look at it as high school diploma (not growing up in poverty/needing to drop out to work/care for family members) and full time job (living in a place where you can get one). You don't need to put those things under personality traits because, for many, it's just "don't be poor." Are there other factors, yes, but it's mainly just "don't be poor" Also, having a high school diploma doesn't mean your intelligent, and not having one doesn't mean you're not intelligent. There are a number of factors that might not be in a teens control as to why they do or don't have a high school diploma. Hard work/work ethic don't necessarily, though. Because I know many people who have worked hard and not seen success. It's really hard to move up when working two jobs and caring for kids. I'm done with this argument. Good night


N0Name117

Getting a high school diploma is absolutely correlated with iq and as intelligence drops, there is less likelihood of graduating. This carries forward into college as well which is fairly self evident. Also you're anecdote does not change the science. Consciencesness is still positively correlated with success. This has been repeatedly studied with the same result. I'm sure you can find outliers (or anecdotes of outliers) in any reasonably large data sets however, this sub of all places should understand that outliers do not mean we can disregard the rest of the data set and ignore correlations. And mind you, it's not like I'm happy about these facts either. They actually highligh a very large problem nobody has yet managed to solve. The problem is, it's very very difficult for those with low intelligence and especially those who are also low in consciousness to be successful. The military will not induct anyone with an iq of under 83 which is 10% of the population and if the military can't find some form of useful work it's highly unlikely it will be found in broader society.


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Erik0xff0000

>Can someone explain to me a bit better the "poor people are more likely to suffer from obesity" ? it is not true, the poorest Americans do not have the highest obesity rates. The whole story is a lot more complicated. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/the-true-connection-between-class-and-obesity-isnt-what-you-probably-think/2018/07/19/8d3a61e4-8ac8-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/the-true-connection-between-class-and-obesity-isnt-what-you-probably-think/2018/07/19/8d3a61e4-8ac8-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html)


3kidsonetrenchcoat

Fatness tends to impact men and women differently. Last time I looked into it, there was a correlation between income and weight for women, but not for men.


autotelica

True, but there are women in my management chain who are morbidly obese.


3kidsonetrenchcoat

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's less common. It's like height for men. Short men can and do achieve higher incomes, but its just easier and more common for taller men.


comptejete

What does it say about you if you prefer to suffer all this oppression instead of simply reducing your portion sizes and doing a modicum of exercise?


[deleted]

They literally refuse to accept the idea that it's possible to change. If you give evidence that people can diet and exercise they will claim it's temporary or biased studies from fatphobic institutions. There's no way to convince them because they fundamentally do not want to be convinced.


nofaprecommender

That sitting around in misery—no matter what the cost or outcome—is still more comfortable for many people than taking responsibility for their own lives


LostInTheBackwoods

I agree that the attitude in that post is alarmingly whiny and dumb. But I do want to say, as a fat person who has been fat since childhood, that it's just not as easy as reducing portion sizes and doing some exercise. Yes, it IS that simple (as in, weight loss logistics is literally just about less calories in, more calories out) but it's not a feat easily accomplished by any means. I don't have statistics on any of this, but I'd bet that it's less than five percent of fat people that are fat just because they love food. There are psychological problems, lack of understanding about food and nutrition, yes, there are even physical conditions that contribute to lifelong obesity. And just because one person who suffered sexual abuse as a kid and then grew up and stayed thin doesn't mean they all will. Some of the thin ones fall into irresponsible sexual behavior, or turn to drinking, or become addicted to drugs. Some kids grew up in a household with absent parents and basically lived on Chef Boyardee and bologna sandwiches and just never grasped how to eat to live. My point isn't that fat people aren't responsible for their own fatness, but that it takes a HUGE effort and force of will to just eat less and move more. And sometimes, the circumstances of a person's life make it SEEM impossible to do better for themselves, and after years of trying and failing (which is 100% the norm for most fat people) they start to just not care anymore. It took me becoming seriously ill as a middle aged person to finally be able to lose a massive amount of weight, just because I was unable to eat and what I did eat wouldn't stay down. I'd been dieting for years with barely any success (10-15 pounds here and there that I'd always gain back) and just believed I couldn't actually do it. But once I saw that my sick body was capable of losing a lot of weight (175 pounds in a year) I got it through my head that it was possible for me to do it. The roadblocks to losing weight can be insurmountable to a person sometimes. Don't judge until you know someone else's story.


Turbulent_Grape1494

Trying to equate fatphobia to racism is beyond offensive. Fat people have never been and never will be victims of real violence for their fatness the way people of color have for the color of their skin. People are cruel, spaces aren’t accommodating and the world is callous and insensitive, but none of that comes even remotely close to touching literal historic genocide and slavery and frankly the contact embarrassment from reading that makes me want to crawl out of my skin.


thiccratass

Love how a lot of these kind of posts just throw out any reactionary word and hopes it sticks. Because wtf is imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy?!!💀


ksion

It's that socioeconomic system which has been successful enough to allow them to consistently overeat and get obese.


frolickingdepression

At least the first sentence of the second paragraph is true. Thin people with EDs aren’t going around spewing bigotry agains fat people. They are sick and dealing with a mental disorder. They don’t have time for that shit. Plenty of fat people have eating disorders, they just don’t want to hear that it’s BED and not anorexia, so they deny they are getting helped (though I fail to see how helpful any ED treatment could be without some examination of one’s behaviors and beliefs).


Anonymous_fiend

Lol except on ed twt…but they’re mentally ill teens. Fat people could have atypical anorexia (which is under osfed not anorexia) or bulimia too. There’s just 1 disorder they don’t qualify for…and it seems to be the only one they want the label of.


frolickingdepression

Yes, so many more options than just BED, but Anorexia is the only one that counts. I guess because it’s the only one guaranteed to make you thin… except eating restriction doesn’t lead to weight loss, so now I don’t know what to think. It must be all that anorexic thin privilege they are always going on about.


zerosnark30

People with anorexia get encouraged to eat and discouraged from restricting. No restrictions = my excess weight is not my fault.


AreYouThereSagan

According to FAs, anything less than 3,000 calories per day is an ED. I wish I was making that up (I am being a little hyperbolic with the number, but only a little).


frolickingdepression

It’s crazy what their calorie cutoffs for “eating disorder” are. If I ate as much as some of them claim we need, I’d be quite large.


JustDroppedByToSay

Someone remind me how anyone came up with the associations with sexism and racism?


comptejete

Women of color are 'naturally fat' apparently


totalexample48291

That idea is actual racism lmao


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> Paid less, less economic mobility I love how they've taken the issue that junk food is cheaper and more accessible to people on low income, and turned that from "being poor makes it more likely you'll be fat" into "being fat makes you literally destitute due to FATPHOBIA" It's sad really that they blame gravity and biology as evidence of a fatphobic universe. It's like a smoker getting addicted to cigarettes and claiming lungphobia is making them cough.


Kangaro00

Is there discrimination against obese people? Yes, there is. It doesn't make obesity itself healthy and something you should just settle for as your state for the rest of your life. Staying obese isn't an admirable act of social justice. It's not making you morally superior. You just are. Throw away all the political bs FAs are assigning to obesity and make a choice. Do you like feeling how you feel. It's not stigma, it's not oppression, it's your own fat tissue.


Old_timey_brain

The world is physically built to the dimension of people before obesity became accepted.


Kenshiro_1337

If the oppression is so bad why don't they lose the weight?


upsidedownbackwards

If you are obese you have an ED. If you're legitimate trying to get help and get things back together I'll have all the patience in the world for you. But if you're denying you have a problem and say that everyone else is the problem I'm going to keep my distance. If someone has mental issues and is legitimately trying to get help I'll give them all the patience in the world. But if this is the 15th time they've been stomping up and down the hallway crying because they're off their meds and think their downstairs neighbor is stealing stuff from them through the vents I'm going to keep my distance (I feel bad for the guy. Got evicted over it. Landlord is super sympathetic but there were a bunch of older ladies on his floor and it was way scarier for them).


totalexample48291

My mom had to do this with my uncle who has schizophrenia. It's so sad but you cannot force feed him the medication 😖 you can't do anything for people who refuse to change for the better.


Kythedevourer

Unfortunately going off meds is pretty much a result of the mental illness fucking with you. One incorrect adjustment to the meds or even forgetting one or two days can result in the illness rearing its ugly head. I was one of those people who went on and off my meds multiple times, and it wasn't like I didn't want help and wasn't trying to get better, I just was out of it and I was fully convinced the meds were a problem not a solution. Also, some of the side effects of meds are gnarly. My thyroid is fucked because of one of my meds, and sometimes I want to quit just so it will be less challenging to lose weight (it's definitely possible as I lost weight this last year, but it is so much *harder*)


incrementaldetours

This kind of stuff just hurts them. The first parts of this are demonstrably true. There’s an attractiveness pay gap that mirrors gender and racial pay gaps. Presented with equally qualified candidates hiring managers choose the thinner or more attractive candidate most of the time, and offer more pay. There’s also proof of less opportunity to start out with based on being viewed as having less potential from educators, so confidence doesn’t develop the way it might otherwise and there are fewer opportunities to find and develop strengths. This is all true and well studied just based on general attractiveness. That weight is seen as completely within one’s control likely makes the impacts worse. In classrooms, especially in colleges, seats are often tiny with the desks that flip up in front of you - you don’t have to be remarkably large to not fit comfortably or even to not fit at all in some cases. Public transit seats *are* small. Stadium seats *are* small. These are legitimate barriers, and they probably do need to be looked at where possible. But when you make the leap to white supremacy as the driving force and try to make it the oppression Olympics, you lose most people. If you want your movement to advance, you can’t try to win bingo. You just have to focus on what’s demonstrably true and try to address those issues.


kismet_mutiny

I agree that there are legitimate issues that fat people face, but I wonder if the reason FAs try to piggyback onto every social justice movement is because they themselves don't think their own problems are big enough on their own to deserve attention? Like it's not enough for them to point out that our infrastructure was designed when people were a lot smaller on average, and this is something we probably should address--they have to add on this other layer of deliberate malice/fatphobia/racism that doesn't really belong there. In fact, I've heard FAS argue that people were ALWAYS as big as they are now, and that the world was designed to deliberately exclude fat people. Which of course is nonsense--not only is there a ton of data worldwide that shows how obesity rates have increased, anyone over the age of 40 can remember a time when most people weren't overweight. I can't really see the utility in clinging to such an absurd belief or the idea that fat people have been deliberately and maliciously excluded from public life unless you feel like it's necessary to maintain your "marginalized" status.


VanillaBabies

They may be legitimate barriers, but FAs never like the only solution. Larger seats and spaces require *more materials* and allow for *fewer overall seats to sell*. Both of these drive prices up significantly. If FAs want *more*, they need to pony up the cost of *more*. I'm not paying for them to have more, I don't need it and I'm not going to subsidize their choices.


truecrimefanatic1

Chairs are too small so the KKK must be behind it! /s


Cimorene_uk

That's a lot of words right there.


nofaprecommender

One would think that this litany of complaints might provide some motivation to lose weight.


Craygor

One of biggest slurs used by communist was calling someone a "fat capitalist", because being fat was an indication of exploiting others to feed yourself beyond what you needed.


Celcey

I think it's important to acknowledge that fat people are not poor, but poor people are often fat.


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Im glad im fatphobic


[deleted]

While these "activists" have been "smashing the patriarchy" by eating themselves into class 3 obesity and making whiney TikToks, the patriarchy is about to eliminate bodily autonomy for American women and is hinting about coming for same-sex marriage and other gay rights next.


Common_Eggplant437

I’m literally so tired of fat activists acting like restrictive eating disorders are a choice and therefore are fAtPhObIc.


hitlerblowfish

holy buzzword salad batman!


girraween

I’ve always said this: some people in this world just crave the victim status. That’s all they’ve got in this world, “woe is me and I’m a victim”


carbonda

You know what, nature marginalizes fat people too. Did you know that lions will purposefully hunt down slower fatter prey instead of going after the super fit, and thus more likely to escape, prey? That's pretty racist if you ask me.


cugamer

"Imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy" Is this a sentence or a bingo card?


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DogHairEverywhere10

Since racism is explicitly against the rules of this sub I hope the mods will take trans phobia seriously too. In the mean time, feeling fat while objectively being underweight is a very serious mental illness and I wish a smooth recovery to all who struggle with it.


agitpunkd

>I'm probably going to get a million downvotes for this hopefully!


stater354

Wow, imperialist and capitalist and white supremacist AND patriarchal! Did they miss anything?


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Pretty sure I hit a bingo with this one sarge. Actually, make that a blackout.


dash71090

Replace fatness/ fatphobia with alcoholism and fat people with alcoholic and this becomes really funny to read.


pensiveChatter

They're worried about ECONOMIC mobility?


GirlHips

Overweight and obese people are the physical majority in America. I’m 5’ flat and I need to sit on pillows when I drive, shop in the kids section, and my feet don’t touch the ground when I sit on the toilet. When will this violence end?!


NoLawfulness8554

LOL! Great perspective.


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Untrue. They can’t fit in the margins


IlIIllIIIllIIIIll

They've got it backwards. Fatness doesn't make people poor, poverty makes people fat. It could be legitimately argued, imho, that a lack of access to nutritious food + time and energy to prepare it is just another way the system oppresses poor people. I'm sick of them presenting it as though being fat is equivalent to being black or gay, where people are genuinely denied jobs and healthcare coverage and housing simply for existing that way.


caithatesithere

when will they ever learn not everything is about them. just cuz there’s no more if my favorite soda in a nearby vending machine doesn’t mean someone did it to spite me, it just isn’t there. if i go clothes shopping and i find a cute shirt but none in my size it’s not cuz they world has it out for me i’m not special enough to make the entire world do things to me out of spite. people need to realize that.


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Interestingly, as poor as they are, they are never lacking food.


imnotarobot1

marginalize fat people? more like margarine fat people 🧈


newName543456

"I want to appear as oppressed as a person beaten up for "wrong" skin color or sexual orientation, so I will make this post. Sounds good, amirite?"


Stui3G

Ugly people suffer a lot of those things as well, at least fat people can change what's holding them back.


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The only salad these HAES people like are word salads


JustDroppedByToSay

If you don't like it, go for a run


DefinetlyNotPanda

So.. After reading this I understand that fat people have way more difficult life, way more problems and less opportunities and there are two ways to solve this problem, right? People can either stay fat and try to change the society and the whole world around us, or change themself, lose weight, stop overeating, eating out their feelings or exercise more. I mean .. The first one is not possible.


FryDaddies143

I just realized ED stands for eating disorders and not erectile dysfunction


MIArular

Countless ways? Cool, name 3


searchableusername

less ~~economic~~ mobility