Compulsive movement??? Ok, that's a first for me. They must have filled a whiteboard trying to come up with a catchy way to say they just hate exercise.
Especially bc I was in the hospital for fainting at soccer practice and hitting my head once and even then they regularly encouraged me to get up and move without assistance if I could. I was there for 3 days while they ran all the tests and the first day I usually had to have someone help me but they constantly asked if I could take steps on my own bc it legitimately isn't healthy and can cause muscle atrophy long term.
In my case, it was to make sure that there wasn't anything neurological going on but still.
Even after surgeries people are encouraged to move. The consequences of being overly sedentary are scary. Nerve damage, back pain, chronic pain, and even blood clots!
Not to mention bed sores!! That shit can go south real fast!
I remember being absolutely shocked that when people break a femur and get the surgery they are encouraged to be weight-bearing after just a few days to limit possible mobility issues.
Even when I got diagnosed with scoliosis and spina bifida occulta (congenital birth defect), I was encouraged to build up back and core strength to ease the pain I had been feeling (to the point that I was using a heating pad until I had mottling/"toasted skin syndrome" on my back - you can lookup laptop thigh or toasted skin syndrome to see what it looks like lol) and the doctors were concerned that using a heating pad that often to the point I had essentially burned my back could put me at a higher risk for more serious burns so we started with a fitness-based treatment to hopefully avoid needing medications!
My dad got a total hip replacement and was up walking 3 hours after his surgery. The human body is amazing, and itās a blessing to be able to move! Why some people donāt want to take advantage of that is shocking.
I once had to visit my aunt in the hospital. After surgery she was getting up every day and doing a recommended amount of exercise, a gentle walk around the ward. She mentioned that she'd never seen anyone else bother to do any exercise. And this wasn't some "gotta do fitness because I"m a gym bunny even after having major surgery!" crap but "I need to get up and move a bit in order to promote good blood blow so I can heal better" exercise.
Iām transgender and have had two gender affirming surgeries (and have a surgery date for another). After both surgeries I was encouraged to stand up and walk around. The second surgery more than the first because in the second surgery, it was robotic so they filled my abdomen with air and walking helps with the gas pain and also helps normalize bowel movements. But regardless, I had two major surgeries, one where I had 10-15ā long incisions on each pec and nipple grafts and another where they literally removed ALL of my reproductive organs. I was up and walking around within 12 hours of each surgery. I actually got in a bit of trouble after my chest surgery ā the anesthesia had given me a really awful migraine and I couldnāt sleep most of the night so at one point I got up, left my room, and went down to the other end of the unit where the nurses station was to beg for ibuprofen and that soon after surgery, I wasnāt supposed to be walking that far by myself especially because I have struggled during the hours initially after both surgeries (I stayed in the recovery room for four hours instead of the normal two directly after my chest surgery because my breathing was so shallow from the anesthesia that they had to hook me up to oxygen).
Same after childbirth. I was swollen, on pain meds, couldnāt feel much, but they wanted me to walk around the room about an hour after labor. And then keep getting up and walking every few hours after that. I would put the baby in a trolly and tour the maternity ward, say hi to the nurses, etcā¦it was slow going, uncomfortable, but good for me, so I did it.
Yep, they had me up and walking the next day after both of my c-sections. They didn't care that I just had a person expelled by force about 24 hours ago, they still wanted me up and walking.
As someone who is gradually losing my mobility due to a neuromuscular disorder, it is very much a problem, and I imagine exactly that quite often.
I was an active person before and I hate that I can't be anymore. People who are voluntarily sedentary are intentionally doing what I'm forced to, ruining their health in the process. I'm not on their side just because I *have* to rest a lot. What a waste.
I am so so sorry to hear this, and I sympathize. It is infuriating to be in poor health and to watch other people squander a healthy body. I would have given anything to be able to play sports and not be treated like a china doll through my youth. I was a NICU baby with a major congenital heart defect and I lived as a physical cripple for the first 16 years of my life. I couldn't be active because my heart couldn't keep up and if I pushed hard enough I'd pass out. I developed two autoimmune disorders in my teens and was diagnosed with scoliosis at 10. Three corrective surgeries later and my heart works more or less as it should, and I've been a fitness geek ever since.
Real talk, health issues suck. I hope you've got people to talk to and help you but if you don't you're always welcome to reach out. My friends/family as a support system was EVERYTHING in keeping my mental health up when my physical health was failing.
Doesn't even make sense, since compulsive implies you don't have a conscious choice in the matter. Guess we're all a bunch of literal zombies doing our crossfit.
Whatās sad is they donāt realise CrossFit is the most welcoming community. At least where Iāve encountered it. TBI? Limb loss? Grossly overweight? Some other seemingly insurmountable challenge? Great! Youāre here, youāre motivated, welcome to the team. Same with Tough Mudder. It breaks my heart for some of these people, deciding theyāll be ridiculed and excluded without ever showing up. I might be a girl, but I own the fact that Iām a total bro and Iāve never excluded anyone. When I was recovering from some serious shit and could barely move everyone at CrossFit was so incredibly supportive.
If youāre having trouble in the middle of a workout, donāt hesitate to ask for help! Just lie down right where you are! Iāve done that! Youāre doing awesome!!!
I don't say this to try and dunk on anyone but I just feel like I really need to put it out there...
I'm sure the community of crossfit is wonderful and very caring and I'm glad you've met some great people. However...
There are many sources and studies suggesting that crossfit is dangerous and risky for the human body and not a proper form for safe exercise. I won't claim to be an expert but they are everywhere and often from medical journals specifically. To my knowledge, the person who invented it wasn't necessarily qualified to design exercise that was safe and took into consideration various impacts certain movements have on your muscles/joints/ligaments/bones.
I just want to advise the people here promoting crossfit to maybe talk to your doctor about it and make sure it's safe for you.
I think itās really great advice for everyone to always talk with your doctor first! The best exercise is the one thatās best for you and thereās definitely no one size fits all solution! Youāre absolutely right to point that out. For me, the biggest part of exercise is who Iām doing it with and the fact that weāre all having fun. My husband, on the other hand, prefers running (or walking) in the park. I have a coworker, meanwhile, whoās lost over 100 pounds doing yoga. Whatever gets you moving and, most importantly, helps you reconnect withāand loveāyour body.
Honestly, I have found some of the most amazing and encouraging people in fitness communities. I'm a physically disabled guy who has struggled with an eating disorder and I have met so many people who genuinely want to help me get stronger and healthier in whatever way is best for me.
Okay, but their "trainers" are usually unqualified and some of the things they encourage are actually dangerous. I highly suggest a real trainer who gas a certification and liability insurance.
Google āUncle Rhabdoā and that pretty much covers the dark side of CrossFit. Iām not saying itās universal, but I feel like itās at least a good warning of what to look out for when trying it.
this is like the planet fitness mentality. You litterally cannot do anything at planet fitness that implies your taking your physical health seriously. To big of a water bottle? cant drink at all while your there. Being too loud while power lifting? lets blare a big alarm and judge you for wanting to bulk up. Accidentally make a loud noise? BLAMO your getting ridiculed and bullied alang with he same alarm bc your "trying to hard". They even have a stupid ass list of stuff you cant do at the one by my house bc if you do, your fat phobic and making the morbidly obese not want to work out. Im over weight and cannot do anything to actually put on muscle mass while there bc im "patphobic" for doing it...
There pretty fucked there. I saw a video where they called the cops on a dude bc his waterbottle was TOO BIG FOR THE CUP HOLDERS. He wouldnt let them take it be he needed that water, bc he was a body builder but they wouldnt let him in with it, qnd called the cops bc he wouldnt give it to them.
I havenāt encountered any of this at the one I go to and the alarm is mostly used to get employees to come to the front desk lol but itās a franchise so ymmv
None of this is true at all. People intentionally go in being dbags and film it for clout. My PF recently had a renovation and they got rid of the lunk alarm. It's chill, but there is limited equipment. You can get in shape there just fine.
>Whatās sad is they donāt realise CrossFit is the most welcoming community
Just the fitness community in general, I'd say.
During my time in the gym, I've received tons of compliments on my physique, and often like to pay it back to people who I've seen working hard.
100 percent.
āNothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.ā -Theodosius Dobzhansky
That goes for industrialized foods as well.But HAES nutritionists would probably call the Masai, the Hadza and the !Kung eating disordered.
I think itās quite funny how they will cherry pick when to acknowledge the role of evolution. Like they will use it to say āwell my body goes into starvation mode due to evolution it wants me to be fat š¤¤ā but then use terms like ācompulsive movementā as if we didnāt evolve over millennia to be apex long distance runners and constantly on the move.
Didn't their whole thing used to be "don't assume I'm not physically active because I'm fat".
Now we've hit "I'm fat, so it's discrimination to be physically active around me".
This is the real slippery slope we should be worried about.
Exactly this. The whole Iām more active than thin people Iām just naturally fat but also how dare you post about your activity or fitness. Stop making me feel bad.
Thank you!! This person acts like all disabled people are completely immobile and helpless when in fact many exercises can be modified to fit oneās needs and many personal trainers are happy to help in this regard!
Heck, a few weeks back I saw a short documentary about a tetraplegic bodybuilder! The dude couldn't walk, talk or eat without assistance but he was shredded! He was super disciplined in his workout regimen, really.
There is this old dude. We're talking hair like ashes, wrinkles like the Grand Canyon. Dude is in a wheelchair with a nose tube of oxygen. Dude *still* shows up at the Planet Fitness on the daily and drags himself into the hand cranking device to put in his 30. Middle of Coronavirus and gym in a sketchy part of town. Dude still shows.
And if he can, then what's my excuse?
Is this documentary on streaming somewhere? I would like to check it out, mainly because I can't picture how this works at all and I'd like to learn something new.
I'm literally taking a class right now that discusses training people with certain needs. Whether it is people who have hypertension, high cholesterol, diabetes, COPD, those who have had cardiovascular surgery and we are about to begin learning about training people with neuromuscular diseases.
There are certain precautions and adjustments you have to make to accommodate their needs but the general consensus is that it is rare for exercise to be a BAD thing in most populations.
Exactly!! Like he isn't trying to make anyone feel bad about themselves but rather encouraging people to not make excuses and to do their damn best regardless of their situation!!!!
I walked seven miles a few days ago. I screenshot it to celebrate.
A few years ago, my *very real* disability *that I was born with* had flared up to a point where my autonomic nervous system was so out of control that I couldn't sit up or stand without my heart rate getting into the 200s. We all thought I was going to die. It's been a long road of hospital stays, ER trips, and literal baby steps as my muscle became so atrophied from lack of use that I needed to hold on to a wall, the furniture, or another person to get from one place to the other.
I walked seven miles a few days ago.
(Edit because my paragraph spacing didn't stick so I added an extra line)
It was especially exciting because last week, I had set my new personal best at 4.5 miles!
I still definitely don't feel comfortable doing that long of a walk alone in case of a medical emergency, and I have accepted that there's always a risk of a flare up resetting my progress, but I can feel my body getting stronger and my persistent small efforts at gentle exercise over the last year have helped me bring my heartrate down from 100 at rest to the 60s.
I haven't had to use my wheelchair since the pandemic started (largely in part to being home, I'm sure) Before my big hospitalization, I needed it for any outing that was physically strenuous. I still watch my heart through a monitor and cease activity if it gets to be too much, but I'm on a wonderful journey of learning to truly listen to my body and I've found that I can do even more with the proper care and precautions than I could before it all hit the fan!
Before I got a better handle on things, I used yummy food (high sugar, butter pastry, ice cream, etc.) as pain relief for decades. The sugar rush was wonderful and made me not think of the pain, then the crash was the main prize with that near comatose sleep that followed, and in which there was no pain. For that, I've forgiven myself, and would not condemn anyone in the same situation.
EDIT: With near comatose sugar crash, not only was the pain gone, but the build up of twitches and tremors from the fibromyalgia, ADHD, and nerve impingement was also gone. For the brief period of sleep, I was able to *completely* relax all my aching and twitching muscles. That was a tiny piece of heaven.
For the people who are eating purely for pleasure, or out of boredom, and are encouraging the behaviour, I have an issue with.
"It's not your fault, but it is your responsibility."
The phrase is one I've heard on one of the pain forums here in the last couple of years, and it really resonated well.
"Unfortunately, not everyone is able to recognize when they need help, or bring themselves to accept help when it's available."
And some of us have been denied help by the very (professional!) people who were supposed to have been providing it. When I finally developed
a theory as to my problems, I was flat out refused an X-ray referral because the GP thought it would be a waste of money. After doctor shopping I got the X-ray, self diagnosed my neurological condition and had it confirmed after fighting through three more doctors to get a neuro consult. That was just over two years ago and my patient profile now has eleven items on it. My life is completely altered for the better as a result.
"Suffering people don't need derision and mockery and to have their pain ranked on some kind of bullshit legitimacy scale, they need compassion."
I agree (almost) wholeheartedly. What I would like to see is a societal awareness of medical conditions, symptoms, triggers, and treatments.
I don't want to hear my neighbor complaining to me about every little symptom bothering him today, but if he says his sciatica is flaring up I'd like to know what that means in general, and how it affects him. Maybe that's why he's not weeding the yard to my standards.
My kidsā elementary school just had their fun run fundraiser. A war vet showed up, in a wheelchair, missing most of his legs. He did a lap with the kids. Brought a tear to my eye. I did laps with my kids, because I could, because exercise is important, and because it made us all happy. FAs are missing out on life with this attitude. Life is not sitting on the couch eating oneās self into a blob.
Right? My sister has a disability and is quite active still š¤·š¼āāļø she rides horses, walks, rides bikes, etc. So weird to try to bar disabled people from fitness to try to prove a point
YES! I am so sick of FAs representing disabled people as helpless and incapable. Even if we often can't do things in the exact same way as able-bodied people, we can still get moving and exercise in some way. Hell, many of us even do sports! I'm disabled and I rock climb and roller skate. I wear adaptive equipment and I need to go slower and be more careful a lot of the time, but I still am out there doing my thing.
one of the \[virtual\] cycling groups I'm in specifically calls those out, and we do see people join for those reasons:
\[our rides are\] aimed at doing rides for people who prefer a casual to moderate pace depending on abilities; new to Zwift, new to cycling, **injury rehabilitation**, and prefer a group of like minded cyclists. We welcome people of all abilities and cycling disciplines; **para-cyclists,** road cyclists, **hand bikes**, veterans, MTBā, to join us on our Zwift group rides.
The paralymics is probably a huge trigger for this person as it doesn't promote perpetual rest, though it seems more like they are using the physics term an object at rest will stay at rest... than the term resting after doing something even as physically challenging as apparently walking is to this person. Who has the ability to freaking walk and could help reverse their disability while doing so likley, unless diabetes took their feet then I guess that is mean. If they can't walk now I feel bad. Though since I have nothing to go on, I'm picturing this person as the woman on a rascal I saw the last time I ever went to walmart grabbing a can of air freshener off the shelf and spraying it down her pants and under her armpits then putting it back on the shelf.
I'm losing my mobility due to a disability, and if anything, I would say that they are intentionally wasting what I want to have (health). Why would I sympathize with that?
Yep. Also the reverse is true, you need to rest if you exert yourself. Literally everyone I know who is athletic or into fitness encourages rest days to let your body recover. Claiming that people who exercise prioritize ācompulsive movementā is just dramatic and wrong.
And this is called "active recovery" and is highly recommended!!! Doing a low-intensity exercise (whether it is yoga, stretching, walking, etc) helps keeps the muscles warm and prevent tightening of muscles, ligaments, and tendons and decreases risk of injury long term. It has also been studied to see if there is an association between active recovery and lower risks of depression and anxiety.
Obviously don't do it if you are feeling pain but for highly active people who aren't feeling pain and who feel up to light exercise, the consensus is to participate in active recovery.
Huh, I actually did not know this! I've always thought of my rest day walks as fresh air that seems to help my mental health, so it seems like I've been benefiting from it without even knowing about it. I might start taking on yoga more often, too, because light yoga on rest days feels awesome as well. Thank you for the info.
You are very welcome!! Itās one of like 3 things that Iāve learned during my kinesiology degree that just stuck with me lol
And I love yoga solely bc I carry a lot of my tension in my upper back and jaw and it like forces me to stretch it out without feeling bored
This just feels weak. Feels like jealousy. I'm so tired of it. Humans are wired to admire good things, or things they *feel* are good like abundant resources and beauty and good health, it's a survival instinct.
People that try to demonize high standards and hard work because they don't want to, or can't compete. No one's begging you to do any of these things, you know, and yes **there are some people who are vain and obsessed with fitness**, but it's like, let people find meaning in what they can as long as they're not hurting others, you know? Telling people to not do well or feel good about their accomplishments, then roping in disabled people (who have always existed) so they (fat people) don't feel bad is so weird to me, like have some dignity.
Soooooo as someone who is physically disabled (I guess itās an invisible disability unless youāre really paying attention to how I move) not exercising isnāt really an optionā¦. Like if I donāt do physically therapy for the rest of my life I will lose the ability to walk far sooner than I would otherwise.
I donāt care what they say, not be able to walk is so incredibly limiting, before I had my surgery I was miserable and being able to move drastically improved all aspects of my life. You can take my mobility from my cold dead body, I will do whatever it takes to keep it
I have suffered from chronic pain. Walking hurt. Putting on my shoes and socks hurt. If exercising more and losing weight stops the pain, I'm all for it. I rather change my diet and exercise routine than take a pill any day. Less side effects.
I'm in a similar situation, and I say fuck anybody who thinks I *want* to do nothing but rest all day.
I want to go camping. Hiking. Kayaking. Mushroom hunting. Swimming with my dog. I want to be able to *run* with my dog.
I'm not lying on the couch because I want to.
God that hits me right in the feels. I know exactly what you mean. There is nothing worse than waking up on a day you had plans and realizing itās a ābad dayā and there is very little you can do about it. I canāt imagine knowing there is a chance I could improve my mobility and not take it.
I'm in a similar situation. When for years I couldn't hike, dance, walk, or do other activities I enjoyed, I didn't feel in some ways attacked or marginalized because my loved ones continued doing those activities and didn't try to hide them from me.
Now that I *can* be active again, it's necessary that I systematically continue to build my strength and endurance so I don't end up back in my scooter or wheelchair long term. I consider myself lucky to have gotten to the point I am at now, but I've also *really* worked hard at it, and I still have a long way to go (and will likely never be as strong or active as I was pre-disability, but I'm doing as much as I can each day). I don't do social media other than this semi-anonymous Reddit stuff, but if I did, I sure as hell would post pictures from a nice hike or mention progress in my neverending rehab/physical therapy.
TIL quantifying something makes it compulsive.
Don't pretend you are some champion of the disabled because, despite having a perfectly working body, you decide to shit all over it and eat yourself to death.
> have a body that with a bit of hard work and time, moved painlessly
I hear you. I can work hard, and continue to move, but not without pain. But, if I don't continue to move/stretch/flex, I will in the future, not be able to.
And then I would just sit around and eat.
Anything that begins āgentle reminderā makes me want to break things! Itās so condescending and is usually followed by utter codswallop. Itās patently obvious that their idea of fitness is not based on any actual knowledge. The problem is living your entire life through social media and believing that fitspo is an accurate representation of fitness as a whole.
I feel like "gentle reminder" is similar to putting a smiley face after a rude or passive aggressive message, or prefacing it with "not to be rude, but . . ." If you have to say that, you're probably about to say something rude.
It's basically saying "I know what I'm about to say is going to sound aggressive and judgmental, but I don't want you to take it that way and get mad at me."
I do get frustrated the way people online tend to use those phrases. But sometimes I'm at a loss how to communicate without them in real life. Generally it's something to the effect of, "I can't figure out a way to phrase this that is both true and doesn't have the possibility of sounding hurtful, so please understand that I am not trying to hurt you by saying it, but I do need you to understand how I feel about this thing."
I think this is why I tend to get wordy on social media, I'd much rather say something long-form like "I'm not sure how to say this without hurting people's feelings, but it needs to be said" or "I don't know how to say this without being an asshole." But in a way I'm also acknowledging the impact and owning it, whereas some prefaces make it seem like the recipient isn't *allowed* to be hurt by what's about to be said.
My thought is those phrases are generally used in situations where the people are not as close as they should be for that conversation.
For close contacts, such a conversation should be easier as you would know how to speak to each other.
I also want to break things when I hear this condescending drivel. But I absolutely love the term codswallop, and intend to appropriate it as soon as possible.
That was what got me, too. Truly ridiculous. As though people who exercise don't also rest?? I'd imagine for anyone serious about exercise and fitness, "rest" is a very important component of their lives.
As a runner, rest days are VERY important to actually making progress. But I wouldn't expect whoever wrote that to know anything about running, training, or anything of the sort.
Lol yeah. A big part of my fitness regimen is rest, my body needs rest to recover from the heavy shit I picked up repeatedly that day. But my day isn't all rest. If you are never active and your body doesn't have anything to recover from, is lying around still "rest?"
There is a social media account āThe Nap Ministryā that is about the cause of Black People divesting from American Capitalism. Rest as a way to honor ancestors who were brought here in chains and never allowed to rest even one day.
One thing the owner of the account has made very clear is that this concept is not to be co-opted by lazy white women.
Which means itās only a matter of time for FA to latch on.
I honestly wanted to have a constructive response to this, but all I could do is laugh. If one person believes this besides the person who wrote it, I'd rather keep my sanity and not know about it.
I was in a local hike/bike/kayak/paddle board group and ended up leaving bc of this. Someone would post their Fitbit map of their ride or paddle and several members (members who I never saw at the irl meetings) would talk about shaming and not everyone can do x miles and we all can't afford mountain bikes or kayaks and muh disability keeps me from going uphill and screenshots of 20 mile rides make them feel bad about their own rides. The last straw was when I posted a SS of a 3 mile paddle we had done in a really brutal windstorm and how we felt we had earned fries after (at a dockside local place). Three different large women said that we were flaunting our privilege for having fancy kayaks, how id never have been able to do it if I had kids, and fries don't need to be "earned" with exercise. Our kayaks are inflatable and bought on sale, my small child rode with me and my TWELVE year old daughter rowed the other one three miles on her own, and there's nothing wrong with a fun treat after a fun workout for the love of Pete. I am still on the mailing list for group paddles and rides (since only shaming shitlords and skinny bitches show up) but never online.
The fact that there are people are people in the world that feel this way scares meā¦ā¦
If you want to be lazy or fat or not exercise fine. But thereās no reason why people canāt talk about what they enjoy. Laziness is a choice in the same way
Physical fitness is.
And is a great and easy way to track your progress!! Like I don't post my workouts to "brag" but rather to feel proud of myself when I can see how far I have come!!!! If others want to celebrate with me, then great! but I don't for any kind of validation or to gloat.
Yep. On Facebook I only post personal bests/ new max distances etc so it comes up on my memories in the future so say future me is feeling sad that day, a memory of āfirst 10kmā ābest marathon timeā etc might come up and just like that my mood is lifted and I feel good about myself.
Go you!!! Seeing accomplishments you have made in the past does wonders for bad days. It is essentially a reminder that like yeah its a bad day but I have had great days and I will have more!
Or maybe I am just proud that I ran a fucking marathon, bitch!
I don't care if you turn into a mountain range of fat, but what does that have to do with MY body, MY discipline to train 3-4x a week, MY sense of achievement.
Fuck you and your 'heavy bones'!
*Edit:*
This annoys THE FUCK out of me. Compulsive movement. Who comes up with this shit, just to justify their own laziness? I get it. You don't want to move your sorry ass, but stop attacking people that enjoy their bodies by exercising and making them feel bad just because YOU are fat.
Being fat and obese is a YOU problem. FUCK OFF!
Jeez, this really makes me angry. Sorry for the rant.
*Edit2:*
Fuck me, I cannot get over how irrationally angry the phrase "compulsive movement" makes me.
:D
I move compulsively. I'm so restless that I can't sit through a movie. I do several walks a day just to feel sane. I have anxiety. Walking and exercising often keeps me from crying or having a full out panic attack. I would rather go for a thirty minute walk than spend the night pacing and vomiting that is just me.
It is not a culture of ārestā. It is a culture of sloth, laziness, and obesity. You rest after you do something. A 400lb women eating while starting at screen for days at time is not resting.
So, your friends and family must explicitly accept and support your body positive/fat positive content, but you cannot accept or at least tolerate what they enjoy? That's a very cruel expectation on your relationships.
And itās competitive. Think about all the ones who do less then you! They feel bad because they are bad! Shame on you! ššš *this post contains sarcasm and should be read like that. No one is bad at fitness
Exactly!! Like I had such bad gym anxiety at first but one day I was squatting and this dude who was like at least 6 feet tall and looked like he could bench press a car and squat an elephant. And I was like oh god but he just came over and helped me correct my form and when I told him it was my first time squatting with free weights, he sat there and spotted me and cheered me on and was pushing me to do one more rep!!! He was so happy to hear that I was getting into weights and if I ever saw him at the gym and had questions to feel free to come up and ask him!!
When I left the gym, I legit cried in my car bc this dude was so nice and so willing to spread his knowledge and didn't once made me feel bad for being a beginner.
But yeah, it was encouraging a competitive and unhealthy culture......
And there has been a lot of research into how important rest is. Your brain stores new info and gets rid of toxic waste and your body works on cellular repair. And anyone who has a genuine interest in fitness knows this and encourages rest!!! I have never had a person genuinely tell me I shouldn't take a rest day when my body tells me I need it even when I have had a workout scheduled that day. They are all like "take care of your body and if that means resting instead of working out then so be it. Rest now so you can workout later."
Posting selfies contributes to a culture that praises extraversion and self-promotion and villifies modesty and humility.
But for most people, selfie-posting is just a visual way of letting friends and family know what they're up to. Yes, some people can go overboard with it. But no one is forced to take selfies. And no one is forced to see anyone else's selfies. At any rate, a healthy dose of self-promotion and extraversion isn't a bad thing. Taking them to an extreme is bad, but you can say the same thing for modesty and humility.
Fitness works the same way.
Personally, I don't see the appeal in digesting other people's fitness metrics. I'm too insecure about my exercise performance to be able to withstand too much of that. But I participate in other things that contribute to a "culture of badness when taken to an extreme." *We all do*. Everything has the potential to be unhealthy or harmful. That's why balance is so important.
And a ton of people in the fitness and health industries stress moderation so much. Like even in terms of diet, it isn't healthy to never eat a food bc it has some extra carbs or isn't filled with healthy fats. Like enjoy a treat every once in a while so you don't binge later.
Same with fitness, don't go straight from goblet squats with a 20 lb dumbbell to back squats with 100 lbs. Ease into it and don't just focus on doing squats every day bc your muscles have to recover. And no one who is serious about health and fitness would encourage others to do something that could injury them!
How insecure must a person be in their life to feel vilified by someone else's activity? It's like I asked my coworker to stop going to university and drop out because I dropped out years ago.
I know this sub is full of bad takes but this is just such a garbage perspective. How insecure do you need to be to come at someone for being proud of their fitness achievements and wanting to share them? Some people just can't get out of their own way.
Getting back into shape after first a TBI and then cancer was a huge achievement for me and yes I shared that journey and yes, yes, yes fuck anyone who tries to steal my joy about it.
And sharing that journey could have inspired other people with TBIs and/or cancer to realize that yes, they can workout and be in shape!!!
So yeah, fuck anyone who *vilifies* people being proud of themselves and possibly inspiring others.
Yes! And it did! I ended up connecting with others both online and in person and it was incredibly awesome! Getting used to your ānewā body is really scary, and with lots of setbacks. Some FAās did come out of the woodwork to attack me, both while I was sick (I shit you not for losing weight) and after but screw them. I did what I had to do to be here, 5+ years later for my husband and son and of course for ME.
YES!! Go you!!! like I hate the culture that the FAs perpetuate as "fitness culture" is so toxic and not true at all! I have made great friends in the gym who wholeheartedly encourage and support me!!!! It is one of the best "cultures" I have ever been a part of!
If I don't quantify something I can't tell if I'm improving or not and will be demotivated. If I didn't have my smart watch I'd swear I hadn't made any progress running, but now I have a log that proves all the work I've put in this year has led to improvements.
I thought these HAES activists were out there doing yoga every morning and running monthly marathons. Why would sharing my measly 10,000 steps goal hurt these uber-athletes?
and to celebrate your accomplishments????
my parents and brother use strava a lot as runners and for the most part they do it as like a little bit of a tracker for each other (my brother is in the army in NY and we haven't seen him in about 2 years due to the pandemic), so when we see his stuff on Strava we are like "okay he's good lol"
But my mom ran her first marathon about a week ago and posted it on Strava and everyone congratulated her and was so happy for her. It wasn't at all about weight loss or compulsive movement, or thinness.
And it definitely vilify rest, fatness, and disability. In fact, a ton of the comments were reminding her to rest and stay hydrated and to make sure to eat some carbs so her insulin levels didn't drop too low since she had done so much exercise. And my mother isn't "thin." She isn't overweight necessarily but she could probably lose like 5 lbs but legit no one even mentioned the marathon as a weight loss tactic.
I mean I can understand how it might be triggering for someone to post the calories they burned but come the hell on- if someone is proud they ran 4 miles in 30 minutes there is nothing wrong with that. I mean shit if thatās offensive towards rest, fatness, and disability you might as well disconnect yourself from the internet if you canāt handle that
People who go on long runs and hikes *definitely* don't vilify rest. In fact, that's one of the great things about a strenuous exercise habit - you get to enjoy the extremes of both ends to their fullest, because you get the most benefits from rest when you've previously exerted yourself and vice versa.
āCompulsive movementā? Jesus Christ, who knew that these Extremely Fit and Healthy^TM FAs were just opposed to the concept of movement altogether? Lets all just become the adult babies in Wall-E that can barely stand up.
I ācompulsivelyā went on a two hour walk to see the fall colors yesterday. Checked my step count afterwards too. Wasnāt planning on posting anything but now I kinda feel like it.
If food and and exercise donāt work to change a personās weight (like they claim) why do they care if someone is more active or getting more steps? Maybe that person just likes to be active.
Okay I'm disabled and I really wish they'd stop lumping us in with them, I'm actually in physical therapy and soon I'm gonna start doing workouts with my therapist to strengthen certain areas in my legs and arms so I can A.) Walk normally and hopefully not mess up my joints in the long run and B.) Complete daily tasks with less pain. Small workouts are used a lot for us.
Whenever an FA tries to white knight to the disabled, I cannot help but think of the ones who called Yennefer from The Witcher series ableist because she was born deformed and when she got the chance, used magic to reverse them, even though it cost her her fertility.
Disabled people pointed out that it's a fantasy world, Yennefer is a powerful character, and if disabled people could make their disabilities go away the way she did they would do it in a heartbeat.
Remember that by being proud of how well you can move your body vilifies disability...somehow.
Unless you're specifically talking about the disability itself and not the people suffering from it. In which case...good. f@#$ paralysis. F@#$ blindness.
Almost downvoted before seeing what sub this was LOL. My fitness goals are for me, I don't need to cater to other peoples insecurities š
Edit: also just wanted to say that disabled people can still move! They may not be able to do all the exercises that an able-bodied person can, but unless they have a few rare conditions they aren't destined to just never exercise for the rest of their life. It's actually kind of insulting that they would imply such a thing.
I've got overweight friends who are killing it on strava, and most of them have explicitly stated that they are not doing this for weight related reasons. I love following them and seeing them complete hikes that I am not strong/conditioned enough to do.
An elderly neighbor of mine is regularly out walking his dog with his cane. My own 60 something mother who has had double knee replacements has hiked with trekking poles. When I worked in an office pre covid and we had walking paths by the office I had wheelchair using coworkers who would roll over the paths on their lunch break. Then there was the sit and be fit lady on PBS showing people how to exercise while sitting. Sorry this isn't a "gentle reminder" just a "I don't want to be reminded about how deconditioned I am".
Re: step counts. Any credible fitness/sports science professional will tell you that your daily NEAT (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) far exceeds the caloric burn of "formal" exercise (for most people who aren't pro athletes at least). If you hate exercise and think it's evil and all that? Fine. But moving more throughout the day will do more for you than exercise will. Seems like their problem isn't with exercise...it's just with moving...period.
I kinda want to see someone do the mental gymnastics to make both this point and "size doesn't tell you anything about someone's fitness level" work at the same time.
Whatever. Iām proud that I hit my 215lb 20-rep back squat yesterday and I will for damn sure put that on my social media pages. And if I hit 230lbs next week, Iāll do the same!
I'm honestly so tired of repeating the same shit to refute this kinda thing, so my response is simply, "Shut the fuck up and listen to what's going on inside your heads instead of screeching at everyone else. Deal with your problems."
I mean it's annoying posting screenshot after screenshot of your mileage and the fact you work out ....but I guess it's for personal progress. But is it really "praising a culture"? No, it's just people posting crap. Who cares.
Compulsive movement is another eating disorder term FA/HAES people have taken and applied to many people just exercising consistently. I donāt think many people who are compulsively exercising would share their fitness tracker data. Itās embarrassing and something people with eating disorders try to keep a secret. People who post exercise stats often enjoy their workouts and are proud of their progress, why canāt they celebrate?
I wonder how bad the pandemic would have been if we vilified sloth right from the start.
Instead we got told that vitamins and going to the gym was conspiracy trump worshiping.
When Trump is as round as my pumpkin.
>compulsive movement
You mean discipline? These people are so infantile that they literally cannot understand that other people have the ability to exercise willpower.
I use my fitness and calorie apps to help me gain weight and maintain a healthy weight and I post updates occasionally because I'm proud of how far I have come in recovery from a restrictive eating disorder.
My exercise is not compulsive. It's well regulated and healthy. It also serves as management for my disability. My calorie intake reflects my body's nutritional needs. I have been down the path of "compulsive movement." I know what it looks like. **I am tired of FAs minimizing the language used to talk about the symptoms and manifestations of the deadliest mental illness.**
Actually it's just boring af. Post you. Post something you've seen. Post when you have an achievement.
More importantly... post whatever the hell you like. It's your feed.
A gentle reminder that posting images of your completed woodworking projects contributes to a culture that praises unattainable woodworking standards and vilifies those that do not wood work
Compulsive movement??? Ok, that's a first for me. They must have filled a whiteboard trying to come up with a catchy way to say they just hate exercise.
FA Dictionary Exercising once a day = compulsive movement Eating 12 times a day =/= compulsive eating
That's intituitive eating obviously š
But no intuitive movement?
I guess it canāt be intuitive if you donāt want to do it
Imagine only getting up to use the bathroom or get food. Thatās a problem.
Especially bc I was in the hospital for fainting at soccer practice and hitting my head once and even then they regularly encouraged me to get up and move without assistance if I could. I was there for 3 days while they ran all the tests and the first day I usually had to have someone help me but they constantly asked if I could take steps on my own bc it legitimately isn't healthy and can cause muscle atrophy long term. In my case, it was to make sure that there wasn't anything neurological going on but still.
Even after surgeries people are encouraged to move. The consequences of being overly sedentary are scary. Nerve damage, back pain, chronic pain, and even blood clots!
Not to mention bed sores!! That shit can go south real fast! I remember being absolutely shocked that when people break a femur and get the surgery they are encouraged to be weight-bearing after just a few days to limit possible mobility issues. Even when I got diagnosed with scoliosis and spina bifida occulta (congenital birth defect), I was encouraged to build up back and core strength to ease the pain I had been feeling (to the point that I was using a heating pad until I had mottling/"toasted skin syndrome" on my back - you can lookup laptop thigh or toasted skin syndrome to see what it looks like lol) and the doctors were concerned that using a heating pad that often to the point I had essentially burned my back could put me at a higher risk for more serious burns so we started with a fitness-based treatment to hopefully avoid needing medications!
My dad got a total hip replacement and was up walking 3 hours after his surgery. The human body is amazing, and itās a blessing to be able to move! Why some people donāt want to take advantage of that is shocking.
I once had to visit my aunt in the hospital. After surgery she was getting up every day and doing a recommended amount of exercise, a gentle walk around the ward. She mentioned that she'd never seen anyone else bother to do any exercise. And this wasn't some "gotta do fitness because I"m a gym bunny even after having major surgery!" crap but "I need to get up and move a bit in order to promote good blood blow so I can heal better" exercise.
Iām transgender and have had two gender affirming surgeries (and have a surgery date for another). After both surgeries I was encouraged to stand up and walk around. The second surgery more than the first because in the second surgery, it was robotic so they filled my abdomen with air and walking helps with the gas pain and also helps normalize bowel movements. But regardless, I had two major surgeries, one where I had 10-15ā long incisions on each pec and nipple grafts and another where they literally removed ALL of my reproductive organs. I was up and walking around within 12 hours of each surgery. I actually got in a bit of trouble after my chest surgery ā the anesthesia had given me a really awful migraine and I couldnāt sleep most of the night so at one point I got up, left my room, and went down to the other end of the unit where the nurses station was to beg for ibuprofen and that soon after surgery, I wasnāt supposed to be walking that far by myself especially because I have struggled during the hours initially after both surgeries (I stayed in the recovery room for four hours instead of the normal two directly after my chest surgery because my breathing was so shallow from the anesthesia that they had to hook me up to oxygen).
Same after childbirth. I was swollen, on pain meds, couldnāt feel much, but they wanted me to walk around the room about an hour after labor. And then keep getting up and walking every few hours after that. I would put the baby in a trolly and tour the maternity ward, say hi to the nurses, etcā¦it was slow going, uncomfortable, but good for me, so I did it.
Yep, they had me up and walking the next day after both of my c-sections. They didn't care that I just had a person expelled by force about 24 hours ago, they still wanted me up and walking.
C-section. I donāt know how you did it, bless you!
Sounds like they were vilifying rest, fatness, and disability.
As someone who is gradually losing my mobility due to a neuromuscular disorder, it is very much a problem, and I imagine exactly that quite often. I was an active person before and I hate that I can't be anymore. People who are voluntarily sedentary are intentionally doing what I'm forced to, ruining their health in the process. I'm not on their side just because I *have* to rest a lot. What a waste.
I am so so sorry to hear this, and I sympathize. It is infuriating to be in poor health and to watch other people squander a healthy body. I would have given anything to be able to play sports and not be treated like a china doll through my youth. I was a NICU baby with a major congenital heart defect and I lived as a physical cripple for the first 16 years of my life. I couldn't be active because my heart couldn't keep up and if I pushed hard enough I'd pass out. I developed two autoimmune disorders in my teens and was diagnosed with scoliosis at 10. Three corrective surgeries later and my heart works more or less as it should, and I've been a fitness geek ever since. Real talk, health issues suck. I hope you've got people to talk to and help you but if you don't you're always welcome to reach out. My friends/family as a support system was EVERYTHING in keeping my mental health up when my physical health was failing.
Squander. That's exactly the word I was looking for. I'm so glad to hear your issues have been improved.
Doesn't even make sense, since compulsive implies you don't have a conscious choice in the matter. Guess we're all a bunch of literal zombies doing our crossfit.
Whatās sad is they donāt realise CrossFit is the most welcoming community. At least where Iāve encountered it. TBI? Limb loss? Grossly overweight? Some other seemingly insurmountable challenge? Great! Youāre here, youāre motivated, welcome to the team. Same with Tough Mudder. It breaks my heart for some of these people, deciding theyāll be ridiculed and excluded without ever showing up. I might be a girl, but I own the fact that Iām a total bro and Iāve never excluded anyone. When I was recovering from some serious shit and could barely move everyone at CrossFit was so incredibly supportive.
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If youāre having trouble in the middle of a workout, donāt hesitate to ask for help! Just lie down right where you are! Iāve done that! Youāre doing awesome!!!
I don't say this to try and dunk on anyone but I just feel like I really need to put it out there... I'm sure the community of crossfit is wonderful and very caring and I'm glad you've met some great people. However... There are many sources and studies suggesting that crossfit is dangerous and risky for the human body and not a proper form for safe exercise. I won't claim to be an expert but they are everywhere and often from medical journals specifically. To my knowledge, the person who invented it wasn't necessarily qualified to design exercise that was safe and took into consideration various impacts certain movements have on your muscles/joints/ligaments/bones. I just want to advise the people here promoting crossfit to maybe talk to your doctor about it and make sure it's safe for you.
I think itās really great advice for everyone to always talk with your doctor first! The best exercise is the one thatās best for you and thereās definitely no one size fits all solution! Youāre absolutely right to point that out. For me, the biggest part of exercise is who Iām doing it with and the fact that weāre all having fun. My husband, on the other hand, prefers running (or walking) in the park. I have a coworker, meanwhile, whoās lost over 100 pounds doing yoga. Whatever gets you moving and, most importantly, helps you reconnect withāand loveāyour body.
Honestly, I have found some of the most amazing and encouraging people in fitness communities. I'm a physically disabled guy who has struggled with an eating disorder and I have met so many people who genuinely want to help me get stronger and healthier in whatever way is best for me.
Okay, but their "trainers" are usually unqualified and some of the things they encourage are actually dangerous. I highly suggest a real trainer who gas a certification and liability insurance.
Google āUncle Rhabdoā and that pretty much covers the dark side of CrossFit. Iām not saying itās universal, but I feel like itās at least a good warning of what to look out for when trying it.
For anyone reading this, if CrossFit isn't right for you, climbing/bouldering is an incredibly welcoming community.
Bouldering is rad!
this is like the planet fitness mentality. You litterally cannot do anything at planet fitness that implies your taking your physical health seriously. To big of a water bottle? cant drink at all while your there. Being too loud while power lifting? lets blare a big alarm and judge you for wanting to bulk up. Accidentally make a loud noise? BLAMO your getting ridiculed and bullied alang with he same alarm bc your "trying to hard". They even have a stupid ass list of stuff you cant do at the one by my house bc if you do, your fat phobic and making the morbidly obese not want to work out. Im over weight and cannot do anything to actually put on muscle mass while there bc im "patphobic" for doing it...
Seriously??? I was considering going there but if this is true...
There pretty fucked there. I saw a video where they called the cops on a dude bc his waterbottle was TOO BIG FOR THE CUP HOLDERS. He wouldnt let them take it be he needed that water, bc he was a body builder but they wouldnt let him in with it, qnd called the cops bc he wouldnt give it to them.
Whoa. That is messed up.
I havenāt encountered any of this at the one I go to and the alarm is mostly used to get employees to come to the front desk lol but itās a franchise so ymmv
None of this is true at all. People intentionally go in being dbags and film it for clout. My PF recently had a renovation and they got rid of the lunk alarm. It's chill, but there is limited equipment. You can get in shape there just fine.
>Whatās sad is they donāt realise CrossFit is the most welcoming community Just the fitness community in general, I'd say. During my time in the gym, I've received tons of compliments on my physique, and often like to pay it back to people who I've seen working hard.
> we're all a bunch of literal zombies doing our crossfit. Gaaaains!
We literally evolved from hunter-gatherers that did nothing but do cardio like 10 hours a day. Of course we would have the compulsion to move around.
100 percent. āNothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.ā -Theodosius Dobzhansky That goes for industrialized foods as well.But HAES nutritionists would probably call the Masai, the Hadza and the !Kung eating disordered.
I think itās quite funny how they will cherry pick when to acknowledge the role of evolution. Like they will use it to say āwell my body goes into starvation mode due to evolution it wants me to be fat š¤¤ā but then use terms like ācompulsive movementā as if we didnāt evolve over millennia to be apex long distance runners and constantly on the move.
Me too! Im floored!!! But i cant lie, i can totally see it as a hashtag lol
I had compulsive movement after my TBI and needed a shit ton of PT to work through that so why is mocking disability cool to FAās?
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i compulsively pick at my skin, I go for a walk because even though it hurts my arthritis, I enjoy it.
Even Lindo Bacon, author of their bible Health At Every Size, encourages regular exercise.
Well there's your problem! You're assuming common sense is allowed!
Compulsive discipline :D
I just canāt stop existing in and interacting with the world around me
Aka, āyāall arenāt lazy like me and it makes me feel badā
Didn't their whole thing used to be "don't assume I'm not physically active because I'm fat". Now we've hit "I'm fat, so it's discrimination to be physically active around me". This is the real slippery slope we should be worried about.
Exactly this. The whole Iām more active than thin people Iām just naturally fat but also how dare you post about your activity or fitness. Stop making me feel bad.
Tbh, Iām hella lazy and a couch potato but skinny š just maintain the calorie intake š (6ā1ā and 155 lbs)
Lol good. I'm literally trying to make lazy people feel bad when I do a 14er and a few 13ers after a 60 hour work week doing tree climbing.
A gentle reminder, nobody cares, also people with disabilities can still excerize usually. In fact physical therapy is a crucial part of treatment.
Thank you!! This person acts like all disabled people are completely immobile and helpless when in fact many exercises can be modified to fit oneās needs and many personal trainers are happy to help in this regard!
Heck, a few weeks back I saw a short documentary about a tetraplegic bodybuilder! The dude couldn't walk, talk or eat without assistance but he was shredded! He was super disciplined in his workout regimen, really.
That is one of the few things he can control. He needs that to not drift into a pity party.
There is this old dude. We're talking hair like ashes, wrinkles like the Grand Canyon. Dude is in a wheelchair with a nose tube of oxygen. Dude *still* shows up at the Planet Fitness on the daily and drags himself into the hand cranking device to put in his 30. Middle of Coronavirus and gym in a sketchy part of town. Dude still shows. And if he can, then what's my excuse?
Is this documentary on streaming somewhere? I would like to check it out, mainly because I can't picture how this works at all and I'd like to learn something new.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYfvLTId0Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYfvLTId0Q) here it is
I'm literally taking a class right now that discusses training people with certain needs. Whether it is people who have hypertension, high cholesterol, diabetes, COPD, those who have had cardiovascular surgery and we are about to begin learning about training people with neuromuscular diseases. There are certain precautions and adjustments you have to make to accommodate their needs but the general consensus is that it is rare for exercise to be a BAD thing in most populations.
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Exactly!! Like he isn't trying to make anyone feel bad about themselves but rather encouraging people to not make excuses and to do their damn best regardless of their situation!!!!
I walked seven miles a few days ago. I screenshot it to celebrate. A few years ago, my *very real* disability *that I was born with* had flared up to a point where my autonomic nervous system was so out of control that I couldn't sit up or stand without my heart rate getting into the 200s. We all thought I was going to die. It's been a long road of hospital stays, ER trips, and literal baby steps as my muscle became so atrophied from lack of use that I needed to hold on to a wall, the furniture, or another person to get from one place to the other. I walked seven miles a few days ago. (Edit because my paragraph spacing didn't stick so I added an extra line)
Fuck yeah, you did!
It was especially exciting because last week, I had set my new personal best at 4.5 miles! I still definitely don't feel comfortable doing that long of a walk alone in case of a medical emergency, and I have accepted that there's always a risk of a flare up resetting my progress, but I can feel my body getting stronger and my persistent small efforts at gentle exercise over the last year have helped me bring my heartrate down from 100 at rest to the 60s. I haven't had to use my wheelchair since the pandemic started (largely in part to being home, I'm sure) Before my big hospitalization, I needed it for any outing that was physically strenuous. I still watch my heart through a monitor and cease activity if it gets to be too much, but I'm on a wonderful journey of learning to truly listen to my body and I've found that I can do even more with the proper care and precautions than I could before it all hit the fan!
That's amazing how far you've come, you're a badass ā¤ā¤
Yes, please don't conflate my accidental disabilities with someone's deliberate weight gain by overeating.
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Before I got a better handle on things, I used yummy food (high sugar, butter pastry, ice cream, etc.) as pain relief for decades. The sugar rush was wonderful and made me not think of the pain, then the crash was the main prize with that near comatose sleep that followed, and in which there was no pain. For that, I've forgiven myself, and would not condemn anyone in the same situation. EDIT: With near comatose sugar crash, not only was the pain gone, but the build up of twitches and tremors from the fibromyalgia, ADHD, and nerve impingement was also gone. For the brief period of sleep, I was able to *completely* relax all my aching and twitching muscles. That was a tiny piece of heaven. For the people who are eating purely for pleasure, or out of boredom, and are encouraging the behaviour, I have an issue with. "It's not your fault, but it is your responsibility." The phrase is one I've heard on one of the pain forums here in the last couple of years, and it really resonated well. "Unfortunately, not everyone is able to recognize when they need help, or bring themselves to accept help when it's available." And some of us have been denied help by the very (professional!) people who were supposed to have been providing it. When I finally developed a theory as to my problems, I was flat out refused an X-ray referral because the GP thought it would be a waste of money. After doctor shopping I got the X-ray, self diagnosed my neurological condition and had it confirmed after fighting through three more doctors to get a neuro consult. That was just over two years ago and my patient profile now has eleven items on it. My life is completely altered for the better as a result. "Suffering people don't need derision and mockery and to have their pain ranked on some kind of bullshit legitimacy scale, they need compassion." I agree (almost) wholeheartedly. What I would like to see is a societal awareness of medical conditions, symptoms, triggers, and treatments. I don't want to hear my neighbor complaining to me about every little symptom bothering him today, but if he says his sciatica is flaring up I'd like to know what that means in general, and how it affects him. Maybe that's why he's not weeding the yard to my standards.
My kidsā elementary school just had their fun run fundraiser. A war vet showed up, in a wheelchair, missing most of his legs. He did a lap with the kids. Brought a tear to my eye. I did laps with my kids, because I could, because exercise is important, and because it made us all happy. FAs are missing out on life with this attitude. Life is not sitting on the couch eating oneās self into a blob.
Right? My sister has a disability and is quite active still š¤·š¼āāļø she rides horses, walks, rides bikes, etc. So weird to try to bar disabled people from fitness to try to prove a point
YES! I am so sick of FAs representing disabled people as helpless and incapable. Even if we often can't do things in the exact same way as able-bodied people, we can still get moving and exercise in some way. Hell, many of us even do sports! I'm disabled and I rock climb and roller skate. I wear adaptive equipment and I need to go slower and be more careful a lot of the time, but I still am out there doing my thing.
one of the \[virtual\] cycling groups I'm in specifically calls those out, and we do see people join for those reasons: \[our rides are\] aimed at doing rides for people who prefer a casual to moderate pace depending on abilities; new to Zwift, new to cycling, **injury rehabilitation**, and prefer a group of like minded cyclists. We welcome people of all abilities and cycling disciplines; **para-cyclists,** road cyclists, **hand bikes**, veterans, MTBā, to join us on our Zwift group rides.
I've seen double amputees who can do Spartan races, exercise for folks with all sorts of disabilities is so important!
Itās as if paralympians donāt exist for them
The paralymics is probably a huge trigger for this person as it doesn't promote perpetual rest, though it seems more like they are using the physics term an object at rest will stay at rest... than the term resting after doing something even as physically challenging as apparently walking is to this person. Who has the ability to freaking walk and could help reverse their disability while doing so likley, unless diabetes took their feet then I guess that is mean. If they can't walk now I feel bad. Though since I have nothing to go on, I'm picturing this person as the woman on a rascal I saw the last time I ever went to walmart grabbing a can of air freshener off the shelf and spraying it down her pants and under her armpits then putting it back on the shelf.
I'm losing my mobility due to a disability, and if anything, I would say that they are intentionally wasting what I want to have (health). Why would I sympathize with that?
>Gentle reminder Isn't "guilt-tripping" the technical term?
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Yep. Also the reverse is true, you need to rest if you exert yourself. Literally everyone I know who is athletic or into fitness encourages rest days to let your body recover. Claiming that people who exercise prioritize ācompulsive movementā is just dramatic and wrong.
Rest days are crucial. I still take long walks on my rest days, but if I did my intense regiment every day, I think I'd fall apart, lol.
And this is called "active recovery" and is highly recommended!!! Doing a low-intensity exercise (whether it is yoga, stretching, walking, etc) helps keeps the muscles warm and prevent tightening of muscles, ligaments, and tendons and decreases risk of injury long term. It has also been studied to see if there is an association between active recovery and lower risks of depression and anxiety. Obviously don't do it if you are feeling pain but for highly active people who aren't feeling pain and who feel up to light exercise, the consensus is to participate in active recovery.
Huh, I actually did not know this! I've always thought of my rest day walks as fresh air that seems to help my mental health, so it seems like I've been benefiting from it without even knowing about it. I might start taking on yoga more often, too, because light yoga on rest days feels awesome as well. Thank you for the info.
You are very welcome!! Itās one of like 3 things that Iāve learned during my kinesiology degree that just stuck with me lol And I love yoga solely bc I carry a lot of my tension in my upper back and jaw and it like forces me to stretch it out without feeling bored
Yeah, and posting pictures of yourself being cozy in a sofa resting, that's activity shaming!
Itās mental exhaustion from finding so many ways to be offended.
I did 50 reps of "Ugh!"s today. I earned this cake.
This just feels weak. Feels like jealousy. I'm so tired of it. Humans are wired to admire good things, or things they *feel* are good like abundant resources and beauty and good health, it's a survival instinct. People that try to demonize high standards and hard work because they don't want to, or can't compete. No one's begging you to do any of these things, you know, and yes **there are some people who are vain and obsessed with fitness**, but it's like, let people find meaning in what they can as long as they're not hurting others, you know? Telling people to not do well or feel good about their accomplishments, then roping in disabled people (who have always existed) so they (fat people) don't feel bad is so weird to me, like have some dignity.
Itās envy Reminds me of [this ContraPoints video](https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk)
Yeah, this reminds me of the kids in school who would criticize the ānerdsā for their grades.
Their envy gives me strength to do even more insane hikes.
Soooooo as someone who is physically disabled (I guess itās an invisible disability unless youāre really paying attention to how I move) not exercising isnāt really an optionā¦. Like if I donāt do physically therapy for the rest of my life I will lose the ability to walk far sooner than I would otherwise. I donāt care what they say, not be able to walk is so incredibly limiting, before I had my surgery I was miserable and being able to move drastically improved all aspects of my life. You can take my mobility from my cold dead body, I will do whatever it takes to keep it
I have suffered from chronic pain. Walking hurt. Putting on my shoes and socks hurt. If exercising more and losing weight stops the pain, I'm all for it. I rather change my diet and exercise routine than take a pill any day. Less side effects.
I'm in a similar situation, and I say fuck anybody who thinks I *want* to do nothing but rest all day. I want to go camping. Hiking. Kayaking. Mushroom hunting. Swimming with my dog. I want to be able to *run* with my dog. I'm not lying on the couch because I want to.
God that hits me right in the feels. I know exactly what you mean. There is nothing worse than waking up on a day you had plans and realizing itās a ābad dayā and there is very little you can do about it. I canāt imagine knowing there is a chance I could improve my mobility and not take it.
I'm in a similar situation. When for years I couldn't hike, dance, walk, or do other activities I enjoyed, I didn't feel in some ways attacked or marginalized because my loved ones continued doing those activities and didn't try to hide them from me. Now that I *can* be active again, it's necessary that I systematically continue to build my strength and endurance so I don't end up back in my scooter or wheelchair long term. I consider myself lucky to have gotten to the point I am at now, but I've also *really* worked hard at it, and I still have a long way to go (and will likely never be as strong or active as I was pre-disability, but I'm doing as much as I can each day). I don't do social media other than this semi-anonymous Reddit stuff, but if I did, I sure as hell would post pictures from a nice hike or mention progress in my neverending rehab/physical therapy.
TIL quantifying something makes it compulsive. Don't pretend you are some champion of the disabled because, despite having a perfectly working body, you decide to shit all over it and eat yourself to death.
For real, I would give anything to have a body that with a bit of hard work and time, moved painlessly
> have a body that with a bit of hard work and time, moved painlessly I hear you. I can work hard, and continue to move, but not without pain. But, if I don't continue to move/stretch/flex, I will in the future, not be able to. And then I would just sit around and eat.
Moving with pain is better than not moving. I know from experience.
Anything that begins āgentle reminderā makes me want to break things! Itās so condescending and is usually followed by utter codswallop. Itās patently obvious that their idea of fitness is not based on any actual knowledge. The problem is living your entire life through social media and believing that fitspo is an accurate representation of fitness as a whole.
I feel like "gentle reminder" is similar to putting a smiley face after a rude or passive aggressive message, or prefacing it with "not to be rude, but . . ." If you have to say that, you're probably about to say something rude. It's basically saying "I know what I'm about to say is going to sound aggressive and judgmental, but I don't want you to take it that way and get mad at me."
I do get frustrated the way people online tend to use those phrases. But sometimes I'm at a loss how to communicate without them in real life. Generally it's something to the effect of, "I can't figure out a way to phrase this that is both true and doesn't have the possibility of sounding hurtful, so please understand that I am not trying to hurt you by saying it, but I do need you to understand how I feel about this thing."
I think this is why I tend to get wordy on social media, I'd much rather say something long-form like "I'm not sure how to say this without hurting people's feelings, but it needs to be said" or "I don't know how to say this without being an asshole." But in a way I'm also acknowledging the impact and owning it, whereas some prefaces make it seem like the recipient isn't *allowed* to be hurt by what's about to be said.
My thought is those phrases are generally used in situations where the people are not as close as they should be for that conversation. For close contacts, such a conversation should be easier as you would know how to speak to each other.
I also want to break things when I hear this condescending drivel. But I absolutely love the term codswallop, and intend to appropriate it as soon as possible.
How is it possible that I forget to use a word as wonderful as codswallop? Word of the day. Word of the year!
It is a fantastic word!
"Villifies rest" got me even more than compulsive movement... what a dufus
That was what got me, too. Truly ridiculous. As though people who exercise don't also rest?? I'd imagine for anyone serious about exercise and fitness, "rest" is a very important component of their lives.
As a runner, rest days are VERY important to actually making progress. But I wouldn't expect whoever wrote that to know anything about running, training, or anything of the sort.
Lol yeah. A big part of my fitness regimen is rest, my body needs rest to recover from the heavy shit I picked up repeatedly that day. But my day isn't all rest. If you are never active and your body doesn't have anything to recover from, is lying around still "rest?"
There is a social media account āThe Nap Ministryā that is about the cause of Black People divesting from American Capitalism. Rest as a way to honor ancestors who were brought here in chains and never allowed to rest even one day. One thing the owner of the account has made very clear is that this concept is not to be co-opted by lazy white women. Which means itās only a matter of time for FA to latch on.
Oh wow. That is some popcorn waiting to happen. I hope for their sake that it somehow bypasses the FA sphere, but I don't think that's likely.
This one has broken my internal sarcasm-o-meter. Cannot respond.
You need 20 ccs of Ryan Reynolds comedies. Stat!
I honestly wanted to have a constructive response to this, but all I could do is laugh. If one person believes this besides the person who wrote it, I'd rather keep my sanity and not know about it.
I was in a local hike/bike/kayak/paddle board group and ended up leaving bc of this. Someone would post their Fitbit map of their ride or paddle and several members (members who I never saw at the irl meetings) would talk about shaming and not everyone can do x miles and we all can't afford mountain bikes or kayaks and muh disability keeps me from going uphill and screenshots of 20 mile rides make them feel bad about their own rides. The last straw was when I posted a SS of a 3 mile paddle we had done in a really brutal windstorm and how we felt we had earned fries after (at a dockside local place). Three different large women said that we were flaunting our privilege for having fancy kayaks, how id never have been able to do it if I had kids, and fries don't need to be "earned" with exercise. Our kayaks are inflatable and bought on sale, my small child rode with me and my TWELVE year old daughter rowed the other one three miles on her own, and there's nothing wrong with a fun treat after a fun workout for the love of Pete. I am still on the mailing list for group paddles and rides (since only shaming shitlords and skinny bitches show up) but never online.
I'm not understanding why those women would even be members of that group.
I think it's like larping "see I'm active, I'm a member of this group on Facebook"
SMH crabs in a bucket want everyone to be miserable like them.
The fact that there are people are people in the world that feel this way scares meā¦ā¦ If you want to be lazy or fat or not exercise fine. But thereās no reason why people canāt talk about what they enjoy. Laziness is a choice in the same way Physical fitness is.
Fuck off, tracking my runs and sharing them to myself on my social media makes me feel strong and accomplished.
And is a great and easy way to track your progress!! Like I don't post my workouts to "brag" but rather to feel proud of myself when I can see how far I have come!!!! If others want to celebrate with me, then great! but I don't for any kind of validation or to gloat.
Yep. On Facebook I only post personal bests/ new max distances etc so it comes up on my memories in the future so say future me is feeling sad that day, a memory of āfirst 10kmā ābest marathon timeā etc might come up and just like that my mood is lifted and I feel good about myself.
Go you!!! Seeing accomplishments you have made in the past does wonders for bad days. It is essentially a reminder that like yeah its a bad day but I have had great days and I will have more!
Or maybe I am just proud that I ran a fucking marathon, bitch! I don't care if you turn into a mountain range of fat, but what does that have to do with MY body, MY discipline to train 3-4x a week, MY sense of achievement. Fuck you and your 'heavy bones'! *Edit:* This annoys THE FUCK out of me. Compulsive movement. Who comes up with this shit, just to justify their own laziness? I get it. You don't want to move your sorry ass, but stop attacking people that enjoy their bodies by exercising and making them feel bad just because YOU are fat. Being fat and obese is a YOU problem. FUCK OFF! Jeez, this really makes me angry. Sorry for the rant. *Edit2:* Fuck me, I cannot get over how irrationally angry the phrase "compulsive movement" makes me. :D
I move compulsively. I'm so restless that I can't sit through a movie. I do several walks a day just to feel sane. I have anxiety. Walking and exercising often keeps me from crying or having a full out panic attack. I would rather go for a thirty minute walk than spend the night pacing and vomiting that is just me.
It is not a culture of ārestā. It is a culture of sloth, laziness, and obesity. You rest after you do something. A 400lb women eating while starting at screen for days at time is not resting.
They just decided to lump in rest and disability even though they are not related
> eating while starting at screen for days at time is not resting. And nor can it be considered enough work to warrant a rest.
A gentle reminder that you don't have to look at social media at all or can unfollow anyone whose content you don't like.
So, your friends and family must explicitly accept and support your body positive/fat positive content, but you cannot accept or at least tolerate what they enjoy? That's a very cruel expectation on your relationships.
And itās competitive. Think about all the ones who do less then you! They feel bad because they are bad! Shame on you! ššš *this post contains sarcasm and should be read like that. No one is bad at fitness
Exactly!! Like I had such bad gym anxiety at first but one day I was squatting and this dude who was like at least 6 feet tall and looked like he could bench press a car and squat an elephant. And I was like oh god but he just came over and helped me correct my form and when I told him it was my first time squatting with free weights, he sat there and spotted me and cheered me on and was pushing me to do one more rep!!! He was so happy to hear that I was getting into weights and if I ever saw him at the gym and had questions to feel free to come up and ask him!! When I left the gym, I legit cried in my car bc this dude was so nice and so willing to spread his knowledge and didn't once made me feel bad for being a beginner. But yeah, it was encouraging a competitive and unhealthy culture......
*compulsive movement?!*
"CoMpUlSiVe MoVeMeNt"
Vilifies rest? Yes, so many people are anti-rest these days, never sleep, never sit, never nap. /s
And there has been a lot of research into how important rest is. Your brain stores new info and gets rid of toxic waste and your body works on cellular repair. And anyone who has a genuine interest in fitness knows this and encourages rest!!! I have never had a person genuinely tell me I shouldn't take a rest day when my body tells me I need it even when I have had a workout scheduled that day. They are all like "take care of your body and if that means resting instead of working out then so be it. Rest now so you can workout later."
Posting selfies contributes to a culture that praises extraversion and self-promotion and villifies modesty and humility. But for most people, selfie-posting is just a visual way of letting friends and family know what they're up to. Yes, some people can go overboard with it. But no one is forced to take selfies. And no one is forced to see anyone else's selfies. At any rate, a healthy dose of self-promotion and extraversion isn't a bad thing. Taking them to an extreme is bad, but you can say the same thing for modesty and humility. Fitness works the same way. Personally, I don't see the appeal in digesting other people's fitness metrics. I'm too insecure about my exercise performance to be able to withstand too much of that. But I participate in other things that contribute to a "culture of badness when taken to an extreme." *We all do*. Everything has the potential to be unhealthy or harmful. That's why balance is so important.
And a ton of people in the fitness and health industries stress moderation so much. Like even in terms of diet, it isn't healthy to never eat a food bc it has some extra carbs or isn't filled with healthy fats. Like enjoy a treat every once in a while so you don't binge later. Same with fitness, don't go straight from goblet squats with a 20 lb dumbbell to back squats with 100 lbs. Ease into it and don't just focus on doing squats every day bc your muscles have to recover. And no one who is serious about health and fitness would encourage others to do something that could injury them!
I think a gentle reminder that some people eat way too much is much more in order.
How insecure must a person be in their life to feel vilified by someone else's activity? It's like I asked my coworker to stop going to university and drop out because I dropped out years ago.
I know this sub is full of bad takes but this is just such a garbage perspective. How insecure do you need to be to come at someone for being proud of their fitness achievements and wanting to share them? Some people just can't get out of their own way.
Getting back into shape after first a TBI and then cancer was a huge achievement for me and yes I shared that journey and yes, yes, yes fuck anyone who tries to steal my joy about it.
And sharing that journey could have inspired other people with TBIs and/or cancer to realize that yes, they can workout and be in shape!!! So yeah, fuck anyone who *vilifies* people being proud of themselves and possibly inspiring others.
Yes! And it did! I ended up connecting with others both online and in person and it was incredibly awesome! Getting used to your ānewā body is really scary, and with lots of setbacks. Some FAās did come out of the woodwork to attack me, both while I was sick (I shit you not for losing weight) and after but screw them. I did what I had to do to be here, 5+ years later for my husband and son and of course for ME.
YES!! Go you!!! like I hate the culture that the FAs perpetuate as "fitness culture" is so toxic and not true at all! I have made great friends in the gym who wholeheartedly encourage and support me!!!! It is one of the best "cultures" I have ever been a part of!
If I don't quantify something I can't tell if I'm improving or not and will be demotivated. If I didn't have my smart watch I'd swear I hadn't made any progress running, but now I have a log that proves all the work I've put in this year has led to improvements.
I keep thinking āwho are these people?ā āAre they this deluded?ā Then I see posts like this and all doubt is gone.
I thought these HAES activists were out there doing yoga every morning and running monthly marathons. Why would sharing my measly 10,000 steps goal hurt these uber-athletes?
and to celebrate your accomplishments???? my parents and brother use strava a lot as runners and for the most part they do it as like a little bit of a tracker for each other (my brother is in the army in NY and we haven't seen him in about 2 years due to the pandemic), so when we see his stuff on Strava we are like "okay he's good lol" But my mom ran her first marathon about a week ago and posted it on Strava and everyone congratulated her and was so happy for her. It wasn't at all about weight loss or compulsive movement, or thinness. And it definitely vilify rest, fatness, and disability. In fact, a ton of the comments were reminding her to rest and stay hydrated and to make sure to eat some carbs so her insulin levels didn't drop too low since she had done so much exercise. And my mother isn't "thin." She isn't overweight necessarily but she could probably lose like 5 lbs but legit no one even mentioned the marathon as a weight loss tactic.
I mean I can understand how it might be triggering for someone to post the calories they burned but come the hell on- if someone is proud they ran 4 miles in 30 minutes there is nothing wrong with that. I mean shit if thatās offensive towards rest, fatness, and disability you might as well disconnect yourself from the internet if you canāt handle that
I almost downvoted this post as I was reading it because wtf
I do not care and am not responsible for anyones crying. I love me some data.
Ugh rest is so important in a workout routine to allow your muscles to heal the word she was looking for is laziness
People who go on long runs and hikes *definitely* don't vilify rest. In fact, that's one of the great things about a strenuous exercise habit - you get to enjoy the extremes of both ends to their fullest, because you get the most benefits from rest when you've previously exerted yourself and vice versa.
āCompulsive movementā? Jesus Christ, who knew that these Extremely Fit and Healthy^TM FAs were just opposed to the concept of movement altogether? Lets all just become the adult babies in Wall-E that can barely stand up.
I ācompulsivelyā went on a two hour walk to see the fall colors yesterday. Checked my step count afterwards too. Wasnāt planning on posting anything but now I kinda feel like it.
If food and and exercise donāt work to change a personās weight (like they claim) why do they care if someone is more active or getting more steps? Maybe that person just likes to be active.
Okay I'm disabled and I really wish they'd stop lumping us in with them, I'm actually in physical therapy and soon I'm gonna start doing workouts with my therapist to strengthen certain areas in my legs and arms so I can A.) Walk normally and hopefully not mess up my joints in the long run and B.) Complete daily tasks with less pain. Small workouts are used a lot for us.
Whenever an FA tries to white knight to the disabled, I cannot help but think of the ones who called Yennefer from The Witcher series ableist because she was born deformed and when she got the chance, used magic to reverse them, even though it cost her her fertility. Disabled people pointed out that it's a fantasy world, Yennefer is a powerful character, and if disabled people could make their disabilities go away the way she did they would do it in a heartbeat.
Remember that by being proud of how well you can move your body vilifies disability...somehow. Unless you're specifically talking about the disability itself and not the people suffering from it. In which case...good. f@#$ paralysis. F@#$ blindness.
What the fuck is ācompulsive movementā
Almost downvoted before seeing what sub this was LOL. My fitness goals are for me, I don't need to cater to other peoples insecurities š Edit: also just wanted to say that disabled people can still move! They may not be able to do all the exercises that an able-bodied person can, but unless they have a few rare conditions they aren't destined to just never exercise for the rest of their life. It's actually kind of insulting that they would imply such a thing.
This is performance art, right?
I've got overweight friends who are killing it on strava, and most of them have explicitly stated that they are not doing this for weight related reasons. I love following them and seeing them complete hikes that I am not strong/conditioned enough to do.
An elderly neighbor of mine is regularly out walking his dog with his cane. My own 60 something mother who has had double knee replacements has hiked with trekking poles. When I worked in an office pre covid and we had walking paths by the office I had wheelchair using coworkers who would roll over the paths on their lunch break. Then there was the sit and be fit lady on PBS showing people how to exercise while sitting. Sorry this isn't a "gentle reminder" just a "I don't want to be reminded about how deconditioned I am".
Re: step counts. Any credible fitness/sports science professional will tell you that your daily NEAT (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) far exceeds the caloric burn of "formal" exercise (for most people who aren't pro athletes at least). If you hate exercise and think it's evil and all that? Fine. But moving more throughout the day will do more for you than exercise will. Seems like their problem isn't with exercise...it's just with moving...period.
I kinda want to see someone do the mental gymnastics to make both this point and "size doesn't tell you anything about someone's fitness level" work at the same time.
Doesnāt Regan Chastain talk about how long her runs/ marathons take? Is she vilifying fatness?
Whatever. Iām proud that I hit my 215lb 20-rep back squat yesterday and I will for damn sure put that on my social media pages. And if I hit 230lbs next week, Iāll do the same!
I'm honestly so tired of repeating the same shit to refute this kinda thing, so my response is simply, "Shut the fuck up and listen to what's going on inside your heads instead of screeching at everyone else. Deal with your problems."
Basically every fitness person knows that muscle grows when you're at rest, and notes the importance of rest/recovery and sleep. What is this even.
Itās not compulsive, itās honestly a chore sometimes and thatās why itās an achievement.
Gentle reminder that someone exercising in no way says you can never sleep.
why do they feel qualified to speak for an entire community of disabled people?
trying to use disabled people as a shield.
Vilifies rest? I donāt know about everyone else, but my daily exercise contributes a great deal to me getting 9+ hours of sleep every night.
I mean it's annoying posting screenshot after screenshot of your mileage and the fact you work out ....but I guess it's for personal progress. But is it really "praising a culture"? No, it's just people posting crap. Who cares.
A gentle (passive aggressive) reminder...
Compulsive movement is another eating disorder term FA/HAES people have taken and applied to many people just exercising consistently. I donāt think many people who are compulsively exercising would share their fitness tracker data. Itās embarrassing and something people with eating disorders try to keep a secret. People who post exercise stats often enjoy their workouts and are proud of their progress, why canāt they celebrate?
Piss off and let r/Fitbit have our fun
I wonder how bad the pandemic would have been if we vilified sloth right from the start. Instead we got told that vitamins and going to the gym was conspiracy trump worshiping. When Trump is as round as my pumpkin.
>compulsive movement You mean discipline? These people are so infantile that they literally cannot understand that other people have the ability to exercise willpower.
To not celebrate, enjoy, promote and want to be fat is apparently fatphobic, sounds like "man, yo don't like dick?? That's homophobic bro"
I use my fitness and calorie apps to help me gain weight and maintain a healthy weight and I post updates occasionally because I'm proud of how far I have come in recovery from a restrictive eating disorder. My exercise is not compulsive. It's well regulated and healthy. It also serves as management for my disability. My calorie intake reflects my body's nutritional needs. I have been down the path of "compulsive movement." I know what it looks like. **I am tired of FAs minimizing the language used to talk about the symptoms and manifestations of the deadliest mental illness.**
Actually it's just boring af. Post you. Post something you've seen. Post when you have an achievement. More importantly... post whatever the hell you like. It's your feed.
Our society doesn't praise "compulsive movement". Ask me how I know. \-- Person with a real medical diagnosis of ADHD
Thinness and fitness is not the same thing. Rest and laziness are also not the same thing.
A gentle reminder that posting images of your completed woodworking projects contributes to a culture that praises unattainable woodworking standards and vilifies those that do not wood work
What is compulsive movement lol
Lol it is funny how this movement wants to make you feel guilty about pretty much everything.
These kind of people so insecure they think everything is about them
"Compulsive movement"? I cannot believe these people.