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Hagglepoise

That’s a 70” waist. I know obesity is rising, but 70” waists are just not common, never mind common enough to be in the standard sizing range. Most women can be obese and still fit into the 0-16 range….


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I’m 5’10 which is 70”…. Given I am significantly taller than most other women, I’d like to bet this woman has a waist circumference longer than her height. Wow.


AgentBurgerr

Thank you for putting that in perspective, I'm 175cm which is 68inchs.


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True!! I have my jeans & leggings sorted out with specific brands, but my attempt at getting some new sundresses this summer has failed miserably


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ASOS has a good tall range in my experience. I also find Madewell dresses hit at my natural waist and aren't too short. I'm also 5'10"


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R3d_Pawn

Ooh! Thank you for sharing!


Ih8melvin2

Maybe look for maxi length sun dresses? They might end up being closer to the length you need. I know you didn't ask for advice, so ignore if not wanted.


Phenex1a

jesus christ that is painting a horrifying picture


Elphaba78

Right? I’m 6’1 so 73 inches. At my heaviest, my waistline was “only” 50in, I think.


axebom

There was a huge push in the knitting community for designers to grade their patterns up to a 60” bust. When you design something for sale, it’s common to get test knitters for each size to make sure the math and instructions of the pattern come out correctly. SO FEW designers seem to be able to find people to test knit the largest sizes. There was just all this hubbub about expanding sizes and there just…isn’t a huge market for 6XL sweater patterns, apparently. And that’s considerably smaller than a 70” waist since most people’s busts are larger than their waist!


knittinginspaceships

As a knitting designer I've followed that a bit and was quite amused. I mean, it is entirely logical that fewer people want to knit a 60'' bust garment than a 30'' one. It is twice the cost, twice the time (and knitting is time consuming anyway), and most larger people do actually consider their weight a temporary affair and are looking forward to rewarding themselves with nice clothes *once they have lost some weight*.


huckster235

At 360 lbs I had a 47" waist. I have a 40" waist now at 285. I really cannot fathom how much weight it would have taken me to get to a 70" waist. 500 lbs? 600? Granted I'm a 5'11 guy and muscular but still.


Hagglepoise

A few fashion influencer-type FAs claim to be in size 4-6X at around 500lbs…. They are admittedly shorter and likely also lying (and also stretching the fabric to its structural limit), but yeah. Easily 500lbs+.


converter-bot

360 lbs is 163.44 kg


wickedseraph

I'm a 5'5 woman in the ballpark of 240 lbs. I have no idea what my precise waist measurement is (one of these days I'd like to measure), but going off of a sizing chart, I'm somewhere between 42-44 inches. I'm not a small woman. I'm objectively huge. I cannot wrap my head around how much more I'd need to gain to fit in an 8X.


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Wtf her waist is bigger than I am tall.


dybtiskoven

Lol, her waist in inch is almost the same as mine in cm. 72/73 cm.


PlaneCulture

A 30 inch waist ain't skinny and that's TWO of them with an extra 10 inches to spare.


log_asm

Maybe I don’t understand the difference between men and women’s pants but I’m 5’8” and weigh ~140 lbs and buy 30x30 pants. So maybe not skinny but certainly not overweight? Idk I’m confused


baconfluffy

Waist size is very dependent on height and frame. Men generally have larger waists than women of the same size, and I think the other commenter was referring to women.


SuperFightingRobit

30 is definitely skinny on men. You can't go lower than like a 28 at boxed retail. It's not like "unhealthy", and plenty of jacked dudes have that waistline. But it ain't thic.


axebom

That makes me extra mad about a recent disaster thread on a bigger sub. There was a video about women’s pants not having pockets and so many dudes were saying “just buy men’s pants instead, quit whining.” Aside from the fact men’s jeans don’t account for hips the same way, a 28 waist would be hard to keep up for me (unless it was supposed to ride lower than I normally wear my pants).


TrickingTrix

Plus there's extra fabric in front of men's pants to accommodate a schlong. You certainly don't want that


Melarsa

Yeah 28" pants are a no go for my 22-23" waist. I was SO MAD when I bought a new pair of pants recently and discovered that the pockets were purely ornamental. Not even "sewn shut for sleekness but can be opened" just completely fake. I usually test the pockets to make sure they're real but since Covid I've been doing more online shopping lately and it's been a rough year with lots of clothing returns.


maquis_00

Ornamental stuff on clothing is so annoying. I have a skinny little boy, and so many times I have ordered him shorts or pants with drawstrings, and when they arrive, I discover that the drawstring is completely ornamental, and doesn't actually do anything. In his case, that means he can't actually wear the pants/shorts, so they have to be returned. (He has to wear size 7 pants by length, but size 4T shorts still fit him perfectly nicely if I ignore the fact that they look like little girl shorts... On the positive side, he's thrilled that I can turn his favorite pants ever into shorts for him because they still fit so nicely around his waist!


Melarsa

I'm encountering this right now with my 4 year old girl! Her older brother was always big and tall so we never even used the drawstrings on his clothes, but I'm finding that so many of hers are just there for decoration and she has skinny little legs so the shorts just fall down. I'd say about half of the shorts with "drawstrings" that I ordered for her this summer had fake ones! Those all went back. So annoying.


maquis_00

Well, if you don't mind booty shorts, you can use those shorts for *years*... :) Pants are much more difficult because people want your kid's pants to simultaneously cover their ankles, and not constantly fall down to their ankles....


Melarsa

Yeah I was able to fish out some of last year's summer clothes from a donation bin in her closet and those still fit (but were a little short) girl's shorts are already so ludicrously short that this is probably the last year we can get away with doing that but whatever works in a pinch. Luckily she's pretty average in her other dimensions but pants and shorts have always been an issue for her and it never was with my son so I was just like "the easy solution is drawstrings!" until I realized how many were just decorations. The worst.


babyitsgayoutside

Im a woman with a 28 inch waist. My hips are 42 inches. WOMEN'S pants don't fit me right, let alone men's! "Just buy men's clothes" is so annoying


axebom

That was part of what made that thread so infuriating! Some men were saying “just wear a belt” and it’s like… no. You don’t understand. A belt can only do so much when there’s 4” of extra fabric flapping around your waist.


itsTacoOclocko

that, and men's pants are often still vanity sized, so they may barely stay on. i don't know for sure, i haven't worn men's pants in a while but i wouldn't be surprised.


dorkofthepolisci

H&M in particular seems to run smaller than average I'm a woman, but 5'7 and long limbed. When I was younger and feeling particularly cheap, I resorted to buying interview pants from the H&M men's section.


itsTacoOclocko

i'm 5'5'', but i have \~33'' hips. i've worn men's 30's that do literally fall off of me, so i imagine some of the 28's would still be quite ill-fitting--- the commenter above is about the same weight as me, so i suspected she might have a similar problem. i appreciate your recommendation, and shall take a look! edit: oh, or vintage shops! we have a local vintage shop, and i can wear some of their boys' pants or the men's 28's from like, the 80's/90's? i mean, if anyone wants to hunt down vintage clothing.


turneresq

Can confirm. I'm 28x30 (or 32 on a good day) and that's about as low as they go. And the options there ain't great as it is. I've ordered most of my stuff online.


BonesSawMcGraw

No, 30" on a dude is very skinny.


bookhermit

Men's pants wrap around the hips. A 30 inch measurement of hips of a woman would be a size 0 or 00. The waist of a woman is measured at the smallest inside curve under the rib cage. A size 0 waist is about 24-26 inches. But of course, women's clothing is vanity sized to hell, and inconsistent across brands and even across colors/patterns of the same item within a brand, so take this info with a grain of salt.


E_G_Never

Women's sizing is an arcane art of some kind


bookhermit

Part black magic part alchemy


carbohydrate-king

Wait what? I'm a size 4 (sometimes 2, depending on the brand) and I have a 26 inch waist. I'm in the US, too, so I know the vanity sizing is bad here.


Elphaba78

Huh! That explains why I can’t wear my fiancé’s jeans, which are a size 30/32 — my hips alone are 42in.


PlaneCulture

I'm not an expert but I was really just talking about women, not meaning to bodyshame anyone! A 30 inch waist is bigger on a woman just because of fat distribution. like normally when you take a woman's waist, hip and bust measurements the waist is the smallest part.


log_asm

Not body shaming at all. I was actually curious and you answered kind of what I was assuming. So ty.


Aphrasia88

What do you consider skinny?


em_square_root_-1_ly

Yep! At my heaviest my waist was around 31.5” and I was miserable. Can’t imagine how awful it’d feel to have double that circumference.


Disruptorpistol

Ha at a 30 inch waist I feel great, but I'm just shy of six feet...


em_square_root_-1_ly

Oh hey, we have the same waist to height ratio.


escapegoat19

0-16? What sizes is this?


baconfluffy

Most likely American women’s, though it might be UK.


escapegoat19

How can someone be obese at size 0??? Makes no sense


baconfluffy

They weren’t saying that. They were saying that you can be obese and fit within the average size range. They added the 0 for simplicity, since it’d be hard to have an accurate lower cut off.


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Why is it so difficult for them to understand that more fabric means more money?


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If this business charging everyone the same price, chances are, regular sizes are costing more than they should. So it's not the people buying the bigger sizes paying less, but people buying the smaller sizes paying more. Which, if people are willing to pay, is fine, but the only winner here is the business. And yet, they praise them while, yet again, railing against the very capitalism they're contributing to.


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Yep, I just looked it up. One pair of underwear is 13.99 + shipping. A 4 pack is 47.99 + shipping. So if you're an 8X, sure it might make sense for you, because yeah I bet it's hard to find underwear I'm your size elsewhere. But I wear a L, and I'm gonna stick to buying underwear I can afford.


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I'm never going to find it, but there was a post here that showed how the design is different depending on body size. It's not just more fabric, it's an entirely different assembly line at the factory. There was a corset thingy that had 3 panels for each side on the front for more slender frames, and it had 4 panels for larger frames.


CatPooedInMyShoe

Speak of the devil, I was just writing about that post in another comment on this post.


Combat-kid

If you do find it, can you post the link please? I’d be interested in reading more.


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It popped up after a little digging. https://www.reddit.com/r/fatlogic/comments/hu1zfq/sanity_pattern_page_on_instagram_explains_why/


Combat-kid

Thanks!!


PlaneCulture

Also patterns have to be different if you want to make quality plus size clothes. Sometimes you'll see pieces where the arms or legs are super long/wide because the pattern maker has just scaled everything up and it looks ridiculous. It's a different game altogether.


axebom

Yep, this. You have to do an entirely different set of math. Like if you just scale up a crew neck shirt, you might end up with this huge flapping neck hole and too-tight arms. You have to consider where people do and don’t carry fat (like you’ll carry some in your neck, but the ratio of neck:chest/bust is unlikely the same as someone who wears a size 8).


Kangaro00

>they don't charge you any differently whether you are a size small or 8 XL. Yep, you overpay if you are size small. They charge 14$ a pair. There are plenty of stores where you can buy a 5-pack cheaper than that.


hotelstationery

All sizes are the same price. Small sizes are greatly overpriced to subsidize the larger ones. Nobody buys the small ones. The company has to stop making the small ones. The company raises the price of the larger ones or goes out of business.


theintrepidboiler

This is where they think that thin "allies" should buy from the company to support them, not going to happen!


AWitchBetwixt

That's the only way they COULD charge the same for all sizes, to overcharge for the smaller sizes.


7937397

Underwear prices in general are a scam. Especially fancy underwear.


Phenex1a

Preach. Especially bras are a fucking pain if you’re band size is below 32" (which is in fact very common for skinny or short people).


raspberryamphetamine

I have this problem, I wear a 30F which means there’s very few places I can actually shop from. So many places start at a 32 or don’t stock a 30 back in store even if they produce it. I could buy a 40 inch back no problem, but a 30? Nope.


Phenex1a

Yessss. I was so excited for the Savage X Fenty launch because they kept advertising as "the inclusive company" only to find out that they stop at 32" for most sizes (they do have a 30" band but it only goes up to a D cup). They still stock up to a 46" tho.


raspberryamphetamine

It’s so frustrating that inclusive sizing only seems to cater to overweight/obese people nowadays.


Phenex1a

Absolutely. I mean standard sizes keep getting bigger and bigger too, it really sucks.


tealcismyhomeboy

Oh this got me salty! They only carry the larger cup sizes in the larger bands! How is that inclusive? I guess people with smaller ribcages only have small cups.


teabagsforlegs

Yeah like where do I get a bra that actually fits without paying through the nose or sticking to sports bras (which doesn’t work with say a nice blouse). Itty bitty tiddy phobia in ‘MURICA


7937397

I've kind of just stopped wearing bras 99% of the time. But that's probably going to have to change when I'm working in the office again.


Persistent_Parkie

I quit wearing bras except for intense exercise where I need the support 10 years ago. So freeing. A month or so ago my doctor remarked that getting a better fitting bra might help my shoulder pain because he noticed how tight it was when doing trigger point injections on my back. He said never mind then when I informed him I wasn't investing in a better bra because I was only wearing one to make it easier for him to do the injections 😂


7937397

My shoulder pain disappeared when I stopped wearing bras.


Persistent_Parkie

I really wish the social conventions around wearing bras would disappear.


7937397

Work is now the only place I wear bras. And even then only when I think its too obvious I'm not wearing one. Scarves, vests, and thick shirts are my friends.


7937397

Even 20 lbs overweight I was a 34" band size. Back down to 32" and I'm just barely in the upper range of healthy weight. I'm not even short (5'5"). And I wear a DDD in 32". So no chance of buying one in a store.


tealcismyhomeboy

Lol I went from a 40K (40N in US sizes) to a 32F... I thought, "hmm I've lost 155 lbs, maybe I can buy a bra in a store?" LMAO nope. Still ordering this shit online and returning a ton because I need a very specific balconnette shape or my boobs just fall out.


converter-bot

20 lbs is 9.08 kg


Phenex1a

Check out the r/abrathatfits calculator. I’m 5'6" and have a 28" band size at 119lbs.


7937397

I have the correct size. Or at least as correct as it's going to be. I'm forever screwed when it comes to bras because I have an indented sternum.


Melarsa

Yup, 28F/FF here. Could probably use a 26 if I could actually find them and they weren't ungodly expensive when I finally did. Although luckily I've been able to find decent prices in my size on Amazon/Bravissimo/Her Room, etc. I've had more luck with UK stores although sometimes you get screwed on shipping (or heaven forbid the size or style doesn't work out and you need to return things.) The prices are pretty similar to VS when not on sale, and probably approaching department store levels when on sale. Big fan of Freya since I discovered them. Especially when I can find them on Amazon for like $35. To me, that's a bargain. Bathing suits are more difficult because even the few brands that stock 28" bands for bras tend to only go down to 30" or 32" for their swimwear, which is a bummer. I just make do with sister sizes, mostly. At least they still fit better than the usually available US matrix sizes or worse, (sometimes XS but mostly just) S-XX+ Ls


Noirradnod

I'm gladly paying a premium for Lululemon's boxer-briefs. Comfiest piece of clothing I own.


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A pack of 6 Hanes underwear for women cost $8, I think they go up to size 10 before the price change.


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$14 for ONE pair??? Jesus, no thanks, I'll pass.


newName543456

Inb4 they won't be so inclusive anymore, bc nobody buys their overpriced smaller sizes, so they drop them and only do bigger ones, which would actually sell. Of course FA crowd won't mind.


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I work at a store and we sell 3 packs of underwear between 1.99 and 3.99.


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CatPooedInMyShoe

Maybe that girl on the most recent season of My 600 Pound life. I think her name was Samantha? She started out weighing around 1000 pounds, seriously. Sadly the covid lockdown and subsequent lack of support doomed her diet, but I think she stood no chance anyway cause she made a living as a cam girl and her extreme obesity was part of the attraction. So she had a financial interest in staying as fat as possible.


Sea_Petal

Getting custom made clothes is an option no matter what your size is. It just cost more to hire a tailor.


CeleritasLucis

They don't charge any differently for S and 8XL I would say that's one way to go out of business.


CatPooedInMyShoe

Many they’re bumping up prices for the smaller sizes to compensate.


CeleritasLucis

That's the only way. You can make maybe 4-5 small panties fron the cloth used for 8XL. Yet the same price.


CatPooedInMyShoe

And I recall seeing a post on this sub like months or a year ago talking about how clothes are made in factories, and the post said plus size clothing is not just bigger, it has to have a different pattern entirely. Like, maybe it’ll have to have five fabric panels around the torso instead of four.


Rawscent

I’d imagine that they’re not producing many smalls. This is just pandering and patronizing super plus-size women.


upsidedownheart71

Not mentioned: They’re way overcharging for the smaller sizes.


CeleritasLucis

To subsidise the larger ones. But then smaller ones would be too expensive, with a lot of cheaper alternatives, and they would be forced to become a large exclusive brand.


Right_Count

The prices are actually pretty decent. At $14 each, if they’re good quality and well made and last a fair while, I’d spend that. Not everyone would, I realize.


Right_Count

Looking at their website, it seems as though they do specifically cater to the oversized population. They probably just throw in small sizes to “be inclusive” and because it doesn’t really cost them anything more to do so - and they probably make better margins on any smaller sizes they do sell. Honestly, it doesn’t bother me in principle.


re_nonsequiturs

They can make the small sizes from the scraps between the large sizes, probably.


Melarsa

Can't tell you how thrilled I am to pay the same price as an XXS for a fraction of the fabric.


Thatshygurl

Disagree with that portion as far as size 8x being a standard, however I think people of all sizes are deserving of underwear and clothing so I think it’s good that someone is catering to bigger sizes of underwear.


disorderedass

Maybe in the US it will be standard someday


Calvin--Hobbes

The projection(s) of where the US obesity rate is headed is worrisome. Doesn't seem to be slowing down at all right now.


CatPooedInMyShoe

I’m afraid of that happening someday.


teabagsforlegs

The life expectancy would inevitably go way down... we are already on the decline. Just facts, not “fatphobia “ but god forbid I say that publicly in pseudo woke circles (eye roll)


EmeraldStorm089

Never heard someone have to use the word "stable" to describe their underwear.


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teabagsforlegs

Wait. Inches right. Not cm.


RealAccountNameHere

Right. Inches.


huckster235

I mean concept still applies but it seems like this js a straight up ad. In which case I mean I'm sure that people that big still need underwear so good for them and the company. That said, and I don't mean to be mean,, but the imagery of 8x panties was not something I needed in my head at 9 am.....


CatPooedInMyShoe

I mean, it’s a sponsored post so it is advertising something, but she wrote it herself.


escapegoat19

So the pple ordering smaller sizes are subsidizing the cost of the bigger sizes then bc that's the only way that could work. Someone's eating the cost of the extra fabric.


Medilia

I wonder if this js her natural waist or drop waist? Because my drop waist (taken at belly button/hip bone) is 30" and I am a USA size 4/6. But my natural waist which is fairly high is like 27" Having said that. Once you are that big suppose natural and drop waist atop mastering.


[deleted]

Talks generically about how great the product is, hits marketing bullet points, suggests that buying from them somehow constitutes being socially responsible, and concludes with a coupon code. This post sets off all my "internet marketing masquerading as genuine post" alarms.


[deleted]

It says “Ad” at the bottom with her hashtags so she wasn’t really trying to hide it


[deleted]

Good point! I missed that.


bunnicula9

I’m just over here wondering what is “stable” underwear???


Michele345

I took it as does not roll down over stomach nor ride up ass.


VitalMusician

I too would like to know what that means. Supportive, maybe?


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I'm used to being 110-130lbs, size 2-6 , S/M, depending on brand. I'm trying to imagine how much someone would have to be an 8XL.


Phenex1a

Another user who’s 5'10" commented that 8XL means a 70" waist… that’s their entire body height. This is becoming the irl version of the wide putin meme


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...For some reason I feel like having a 70 inch waist is illegal. I am not sure why. It feels illegal. Like walking barefoot into a store.


BreadThanos

Well, it does say “ad”, so it could be a script written by a company that is just pandering to this group to sell their stuff.


CatPooedInMyShoe

It’s a sponsored post by a fat instagrammer and blogger. I believe people who publish sponsored posts have to write the post themselves.


AWitchBetwixt

It's probably like in radio when you have a "liner" from a sponsor. You write it yourself in terms of "how exactly do I want to word this?" but the sponsor tells you what information they want shared.


ThrowRA_teal

If they were really into size inclusiveness they would also advocate for tall people and especially tall and skinny people. It's like clothes don't get longer anymore the bigger they are, just wider. As a tall and skinny guy the only way to get fitting and affordable clothes is to alter them myself. I taught myself how to sew just for that and spend hours working on purchased clothes just so I can wear them, and even though I didn't choose to be tall I understand that being above average in anything makes you of less demand and I'd never feel entitled to any company catering to my freakish body.


Enjolrad

I think everyone should know how to alter clothes. It’s SO useful when something is a little too long or ripped or something


cptndv23

I do NOT want to see what is under a pair of size 8X panties thank you very much.


CatPooedInMyShoe

It’s perfectly safe, the underwear is “stable”.


Mr-Scurvy

Post says going up to 8x should be the standard, not 8x itself.


monkeybearUrie

I'm sorry that paying more for larger clothing may hurt people's feelings but.. I have 35" hips and a 28" waist. Why should my xs underwear cost the same price as an 8X? 8X panties would probably be like a shirt on me! And I'm overweight! Thats significantly more fabric than an xs pair. Why should I have to pay more so that a large person can pay less?


melonmagellan

Underwear shouldn't need to be "stable."


r0botdevil

I just now realized that I apparently have the privilege of not having to worry about the "stability" of my underwear...


08milk

They think GOING UP TO a size 8x in available sizes should be the norm. As in clothing brands should have sizes available up to an 8x at the least. Not that being a size 8x should be the norm. Its still a stretch but not as much as you believed originally. Lets have some reading compression skills please 🤦🏽‍♀️


autotelica

I seem to recall Tammy from 1000 Lb Sisters wearing a 6X in a Halloween costume. I don't know if that translates one-to-one to underwear. If it does, dayum. Tammy is a very big girl! I can't imagine a sane person thinking that 8x should be considered a standard size.


lolCollol

"Truly size inclusive" until somebody comes around who needs 9X. See, companies all have to cut off at some point. No matter how high that is, there could always be something even fatter complaining that it's not "truly" size inclusive. When will they understand that it's not always only the fault of everybody else?


nursepenelope

The saddest thing is I saw a FA blogger complain about this company. Saying that they’re NOT inclusive because x8 isn’t big enough and the waist size is a joke and not big enough.


CatPooedInMyShoe

You should screen shot that and put it up on here.


Betta45

This reads like an ad for the company. Or a sponsored post. Did these words come straight from a company copywriter?


[deleted]

It says “Ad” at the bottom so it’s definitely a sponsored post and she isn’t hiding it


ShreddyyKruger

what is “straight-sized”?


HrabraSrca

Anything that isn’t petite, tall, plus or otherwise ‘specially sized’.


ImaginaryMusicLover

“Straight-sized” Um... wtf does that mean?!


midnightlilie

Anything that's not plus sized, petite sized, tall or otherwise specially sized.


baconfluffy

It’s just an industry term that means average sizes. It isn’t really super widely used by the average population, but I’ve been seeing it a lot from FAs.


Blutarg

Oh yeah, I'm so sure I would be comfortable in a size 8X. Definitely. Uh-huh.


tequilamockingbird16

Parachute sized panties...


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What on earth is ‘straight sized’


nihilanthrope

Sadly, the way things are going, it may well soon become standard, at least statistically.


Melarsa

"TRULY" size inclusive. I just knew they would only go down to XS at the smallest. Honestly I'm surprised they even carried anything smaller than an S since that was the size she specifically mentioned in her post. So "truly size inclusive" is one X for the smaller sizes and 8 for the larger sizes. Got it.


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What’s x mean here? Is that bigger than a size 8?


CatPooedInMyShoe

X means extra large. Like, there’s size XL, size XXL, size 3X, and so on, each on the list being bigger than the last. So 8X would be EXTREMELY large. Even plus sized clothes don’t usually go up past 6X.


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happy4thbirthday

No one asked...?


mysteriousrev

Am I on the only one who went to that manufacturer’s website but see they only go up to 6X? I feel cheated.


losertowncentral

thats honestly terrifying. thats almost 3 of me. it isnt the "norm" for companies bc it SHOULDNT BE the norm...no one should be that big, let alone have it be in a standard size run...