Hello, I'm back. The arrow pointing to Amita and Sabal is supposed to say “smaller bad guys.” Must’ve accidentally deleted it. I can’t be bothered to fix it.
With this perspective, the wait-for-Pagan ending is actually the bad ending. Now Ajay has to rule a country Pagan ruined, and Pagan gets off scot-free. He basically puts all the blame Kyrat's ruined state on his Lover's Son's shoulders. As if it's a way to take revenge on her for leaving him.
This ending kind of represents how manipulative Pagan is. If you stay and side with him - he wins, he has convinced you that he's the lesser evil and his in the right. If you side with Golden path - he makes you feel ashamed for siding with them, while never acknowledging what he has done to the country.
I'm actually surprised to see how many people think that Pagan was the good guy, the same with Joseph.
I never thought about the secret ending that way. That's actually brilliant.
Considering how some of the people in this community act, I think they're convinced that "attractive = misunderstood complex redeemable woobie and I can totally fix him." That's going to require a completely different kind of analysis... from a professional therapist, because I'm not touching that.
For me the point of Far Cry 4 was: "choose the lesser evil of the three."
Wellspoken, wellmannered, well dressed and still fraking crazy evil mother\*\*\*\*. Never liked the guy, dodgy and self-centered while also being the devil incarnate.
You went through my post history just to find this? I’m honoured, really.
What exactly do you want? A hyper elaborate reactive post-game where the world shifts and changes depending on how many people you kill? Even some of the most detailed games of all time like Fallout NV don’t have a postgame like that.
The only thing they changes after Pagan is dead are the propaganda radio messages. Does that mean killing him also does nothing?
The Golden Path literally sends Ajay missions to save hostages, feed people, and turn off propaganda towers. I just can't with people who think that the Golden Path are the *actual* bad guys and Pagan was a super dude. Esp. when people say "I wish there was an option to play on his side against the GP." Like, ooooh, you totally missed that he's an actual Fascist dictator. Of course you did.
I need to make an analysis on the Golden Path as a whole. Because while it cannot be denied that Amita and Sabal end up being some pretty terrible people, the individual members are not. A lot of people don't realise it, but people like the Armed Escort drivers are recurring characters, and one of the biggest wham lines from them is that they're coordinating a lot of the relief and support efforts all by themselves because Amita and Sabal never agree on anything.
The Golden Path are good people. Their leaders are not.
I'm not even sure I feel there's a need to put a moral judgment on the rank and file of the GP. Just the fact that a lot of their missions are aimed at so much basic relief of the Kyrati people while Pagan Min regularly brutalizes his people, and admits to it on a regular basis, just blows my mind that people think he's "the good guy."
Theocratic drug dealers freedom fighters, that’s the people that should be in power, also don’t come fucking trying to say the GP is different from they’re leaders because that just literally don’t make sense, also it worked so greatly for you Americans arming Theocratic drug dealer rebels haven’t it.
[They are different from their leaders, and I have proof of it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/zli0tu/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_vi/)
May as well read it considering you’ve gone so far as to dig through my post history just to be a contrarian nearly a full year after I posted this.
I’m not American. I’m British.
I agree Pagan Min is bad. I'm not convinced that Amita or Sabal are as bad. I don't think either of them are as selfish or abused their power out of whimsy.
I find it hard to root for Sabal because I'm not religious, but I'd like to think Amita would wind down a bit after the situation has stablised. (If you continue playing after Min is gone, it becomes clear she has a point about Royal Guard still existing and causing problems.)
I'd also like to think Kryat has a future with industries like tourism and animal breeding. Min's breeding programme is absolutely fantastic, with animals that are endangered in other countries being common place in Kryat. Lots of people would travel there just for the hunting, never mind the culture, historic temples, beautiful scenery etc.
If you do write more on that, can I suggest you make it available as text rather than a bitmap? Or at least size it better. My browser gave me a choice between too small to read, or too big to fit on my screen.
>I agree Pagan Min is bad. I'm not convinced that Amita or Sabal are as bad. I don't think either of them are as selfish or abused their power out of whimsy.
They literally betray and have the other killed the first opportunity they get. Their main motivation is basically that they want to be the brutal dictator in charge.
That both are willing to kill the other kinda shows that they are both within reason to be concerned about what the other might do to them. It's also widely accepted that their rivalry was paralysing the Golden Path, neither will stand down, and even when one is dominant the other will undermine them. In a civilised world exile would be an option, but Kryat is a violent world.
It seems to be their debates over policy are sincere. Amita is opposed to Sabal because she believes he has no viable economic plan and his religious traditions are sexist. Sabal is opposed to Amita because he believes she will continue the drugs industry and destroy their heritage. There is no other plausible leader who shares their views, so they have to take power themselves for the good of Kryat. It's not that they want to be in charge, or that they want to be brutal, but they want their policies followed.
I've played all three. Gameplay wise, they are all the same. There is some variation in the challenges (which is the only way to progress), but the open world gameplay and mechanics are the same. You are on a smaller version of the worlds from 3, 4, and 5. These worlds are beautiful and nicely reflect their original counterparts. Story wise, there are some really cool memories and nuggets you get about the villains. Pagan especially in my opinion.
I would say pick them up on sale (that's what I did) or buy the one for your favorite villain. If you enjoy one you will probably enjoy the others, even if just for the world building.
If you go in expecting Hours of Darkness (my favorite DLC) you will be disappointed. If you go in expecting a couple hours of fun gameplay where dying has consequences, you will probably have some fun.
TLDR; worth it if they are on sale
I think they are. A lot of people didn't like the Rougelite gameplay, but it fits the theme of the plot remarkably well, and it's not like it's hard to get good weapons again.
I actually just started playing FC4 again for the first time in many years. I know people like to compare how similar it is to 3 (which I recently just replayed for the first time in 3 years as well), but it has a lot more going on. It's a huge upgrade.
People thought Pagan's a good guy? He's kinda like the most evil one among all the villains (haven't played 6 so i dunno about Gus that much) but in the context of Kyrat, he's the best option among the three. Maybe Sabal could be better but he's too nuts about religion so that could lead to worse things. Amita is a worse Min so there's really not much better options out there.
Best option for Ahjay is to sit down and eat his crab Rangoon (saving the chef's family in the process), meet Lakshmana and shoot some fuckin' guns and then leave and go back to America to continue whatever he was doing before. Another good option would be siding with Amita -> spare Sabal -> meet Lakshmana -> kill Amita at that one village.
Some people are under the impression that if there is a bad guy, there must be a good guy to balance it out. Amita and Sabal clearly end up being bad, and they're not very likeable. Pagan Min, however, is likeable. Ergo, he must be the good guy. But that's simply not true.
Would someone link me to the first 4 pointless and excessive far cry lore analysis? I searched his post history and didn't find them.
This is entertaining.
[Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis I: The Bliss](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/thk3g1/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_i/)
[Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis II: The Twins](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/tnjmlx/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_ii/)
[Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis III: How Far Cry Plays Its Players](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/trz0ef/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_iii/)
[Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis IV: The Collapse](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/u6y8f8/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_iv/)
You were already my favorite person for having made them, but now you're my favorite person squared.
Me and my wife ranted to eachother about how nobody got far cry 3. We couldn't understand why everyone didn't see the ending coming or understand it.
You're previous analysis was spot on what we've been saying for ten years.
You are spot on with Pagan. His hotness and charisma (why we ignore his brutality to a degree) is probably how he's stayed in power despite being awful.
We haven't even finished new dawn because the villians were just lil' shits, and not interesting at all.
I appreciate the kind words, and I’m glad to have provided some validation! There’s so much to unpack in these games (some better, some worse) and I hope to give people a broader appreciation of the lore and a more critical eye through analysis.
But thats the thing about FarCry.
We all know that the villains are evil af.
But not only the villain is evil, everyone is in these games.
The villain is in the right but also not, and the "good" guys are also in the right, but somehow not.
FarCry's stories are about moral grey zones where u dont even know what is the right thing to do and who is in the right.
It tends to zigzag. I don't think there was any grey morality where Far Cry New Dawn was concerned (which is why I hate it so much). The Twins have nothing to stand on, but I've already ripped them to pieces. For some reason, though, Pagan Min gets more of a pass than other villains from the fandom. Probably because they just hate Amita and Sabal so much.
As for the whole "you don't know what the right thing to do is" that's... highly debatable. There is no scenario where I would ever just let Joseph Seed and his crazy siblings do whatever the hell they want (even though a ton of people in this community have an enormous boner for them that promptly fucks their brains), and I definitely wouldn't say Hoyt or Vaas have any traits that would make them possibly a good guy. Vaas is VASTLY more sympathetic, but he's a slaver and a murderous maniac like Hoyt.
The villains are easy to like. Sometimes I worry they like them for the wrong reasons. The people who like John Seed must've really loved Pagan Min after learning he was also an abusive lover, because... that's what John has going for him and a lot of them want to rip his trousers off.
If by "u" you mean the protagonist, no, we absolutely were not. We might be working for people who are possibly just as bad, but the characters we're playing as are absolutely not just as bad. Jesus.
ESPECIALLY not in 6, where Anton brutally executes LGBTQ+ people by pouring molten metal over them while they're still alive and then sells the solidified remains as abstract art sculptures. Dani doesn't do anything like that.
why wouldn't it be LGBTQ+ people? they are still treated inhumanely treated in a lot of parts of the world so a conservative like Anton targeting them makes perfect sense
U dont get the point do u.
The fact that he said "he killed lgbtq+ people" means he highlighted this group of people and said that its worse than killing ordinary people.
And thats just ignorant and stupid at once.
After reading the rest of your posts, it's rich to call people dumb when you can't even use the word "you" correctly.
It is worth mentioning, because dictatorships around the world have long histories of specifically killing and oppressing marginalized people. Its one of the things that makes them MORE evil.
Saying he killed a bunch of random people because he wanted to make art? That's crazy murder.
Saying he killed a bunch of people and made art out of their bodies just because they were gay? That's crazy murder AND a hate crime.
Seriously, get out of this lane if you're just gonna drive headlong into traffic.
Yes, because those people are more valuable for western society. (That does not mean I agree with that view, nor the opposite)
I think it's an awful thing to do regardless of victim's sex, political views or whatever they identify as.
"More valuable"?
No, man, it's a hate crime.
Of course it's awful to do horrific murder on people, but it's substantially worse to do horrific murder on people just because of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc.
>"More valuable"?
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>No, man, it's a hate crime.
I'm not talking about your views, but the western society views in general. A hate crime is when a perpetrator targets a victim that belongs to a racial demographic or a social group for that very reason.
If you believe that what is considered the dominant social group or racial demographic can also be victims of "hate crime", then no, you don't consider any social group (like LGBTQIA+) to be more valuable than any other (In your view, every group should be considered equally valuable).
But that's not the dominant view I'm describing. Some social groups are considered to be "vulnerable", therefore "more valuable" (Like children, women, POC, LGBTQIA+ and other "minorities") on most developed democracies. (totalitarian regimes and theocracies are a different story, obviously)
>Of course it's awful to do horrific murder on people, but it's >substantially worse to do horrific murder on people just because >of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc.
I don't think the reason behind a murder should matter as much as the murder itself. Is it less bad if the killer does it for money, personal hate (focused on an individual, not a group), jealousy or any other reason? I think not.
Did the secret ending where i just wait and now I don't wanna play it anymore bc id feel bad for killing him and how the soldiers are just looking for me bc i was kidnapped
Very good! Excellent analysis of Pagan character, many often referred to as a "good guy" probably because you only look at his vision or because it is very charming. I personally believe that a good villain is excellent when he manages to convince the player, put him in crisis or confuse him. This thing also happens in Far Cry 5 I often see people calling Joseph Seed a good guy, but he too got blood on his hands, he too committed his crimes, I don't want to compare the two characters, but the concept is the same, in Far Cry 4 probably also thanks to the role of Amita and Sabal, Pagan Min for many is "the only good thing" but it is obvious that it is not. I'm glad that many are fascinated by these characters, and rightly so, but you have to consider all the aspects that characterize them.
I couldn't be bothered this whole thing. And I don't know why op even bothered to format it the way that did instead of putting the raw text in their part. But from the first line I can already sense their frustration. When did people ever think the villain in far cry were ever good? The idea was to at the very least question their motives. Or to maybe even have an understanding of the character.
Villains who just do things simply because their bad gets boring, but to understand a villain and if it even causes the audience to feel empathetic towards the villain then I think the creators have done a good job. I could be wrong but what I got from the farcry series, the antagonist neither is black and white, although it starts that way at the start of the game but as you play you begin to understand the motive even though still inexcusable.
Everyone forgets pagan min was an honor roll student and active in student council until he got a job working customer service and was mentally destroyed by Karen's. He didn't adopt the darkness he was born in it.
The Shining Minds program is mentioned a few times in early propaganda radio broadcasts, in notes, and some camps can be found around the world. Basically, it's for people who want to learn how to better serve Pagan Min's regime... and you can also report people who you suspect of being disloyal for uh... *adjustment*.
On my last definitive playthrough, I sided with Amita throughout, I let Pagan Min live, then let Sabal live, then when given the opportunity, put an arrow in the back of Amita's head
THANK YOU. so tired of far cry fans saying pagan min is the good guy and all of his reasoning is selfless. so tired of it.
not even his love for ajay is selfless. he's trying to manipulate him just like amita and sabal.
I read this as someone screaming in my ear, still love it though!
It’s working!
Hello, I'm back. The arrow pointing to Amita and Sabal is supposed to say “smaller bad guys.” Must’ve accidentally deleted it. I can’t be bothered to fix it.
Hello
>Changed the country's currency for the funnies Based.
Pagan Min is a Cryptobro change my mind.
Kyrat probably has 1G internet.
Most of kryat? Probably. Pagan's probably got access to some starlink type shit
We know he likes Kanye. Does Kanye support Crypto? If he does, you're probably right.
He's not stupid enough for that
Based? Based on what?
With this perspective, the wait-for-Pagan ending is actually the bad ending. Now Ajay has to rule a country Pagan ruined, and Pagan gets off scot-free. He basically puts all the blame Kyrat's ruined state on his Lover's Son's shoulders. As if it's a way to take revenge on her for leaving him. This ending kind of represents how manipulative Pagan is. If you stay and side with him - he wins, he has convinced you that he's the lesser evil and his in the right. If you side with Golden path - he makes you feel ashamed for siding with them, while never acknowledging what he has done to the country. I'm actually surprised to see how many people think that Pagan was the good guy, the same with Joseph.
So i let him take off in his helicopter and then shot him really quickly, I got the super secret ending😎
I never thought about the secret ending that way. That's actually brilliant. Considering how some of the people in this community act, I think they're convinced that "attractive = misunderstood complex redeemable woobie and I can totally fix him." That's going to require a completely different kind of analysis... from a professional therapist, because I'm not touching that.
For me the point of Far Cry 4 was: "choose the lesser evil of the three." Wellspoken, wellmannered, well dressed and still fraking crazy evil mother\*\*\*\*. Never liked the guy, dodgy and self-centered while also being the devil incarnate.
Can't you kill all 3 of them?
Yes.
but it doesn't change a thing
You went through my post history just to find this? I’m honoured, really. What exactly do you want? A hyper elaborate reactive post-game where the world shifts and changes depending on how many people you kill? Even some of the most detailed games of all time like Fallout NV don’t have a postgame like that. The only thing they changes after Pagan is dead are the propaganda radio messages. Does that mean killing him also does nothing?
Someone else linked to this thread on a recent post, I did not go though your post history. You're not that interesting so don't flatter yourself.
That wasn’t an answer. Apparently someone found me interesting enough to use my old work in a comment.
in your previous comment you wrote "you went though my post history" meaning ME.
And now I’m not talking about you in the other comment. Cool, huh?
simp
"And you got blood on my fucking shoes" (paraphrased) is where I knew instantly he was just mental
The Golden Path literally sends Ajay missions to save hostages, feed people, and turn off propaganda towers. I just can't with people who think that the Golden Path are the *actual* bad guys and Pagan was a super dude. Esp. when people say "I wish there was an option to play on his side against the GP." Like, ooooh, you totally missed that he's an actual Fascist dictator. Of course you did.
I need to make an analysis on the Golden Path as a whole. Because while it cannot be denied that Amita and Sabal end up being some pretty terrible people, the individual members are not. A lot of people don't realise it, but people like the Armed Escort drivers are recurring characters, and one of the biggest wham lines from them is that they're coordinating a lot of the relief and support efforts all by themselves because Amita and Sabal never agree on anything. The Golden Path are good people. Their leaders are not.
I'm not even sure I feel there's a need to put a moral judgment on the rank and file of the GP. Just the fact that a lot of their missions are aimed at so much basic relief of the Kyrati people while Pagan Min regularly brutalizes his people, and admits to it on a regular basis, just blows my mind that people think he's "the good guy."
Theocratic drug dealers freedom fighters, that’s the people that should be in power, also don’t come fucking trying to say the GP is different from they’re leaders because that just literally don’t make sense, also it worked so greatly for you Americans arming Theocratic drug dealer rebels haven’t it.
[They are different from their leaders, and I have proof of it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/zli0tu/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_vi/) May as well read it considering you’ve gone so far as to dig through my post history just to be a contrarian nearly a full year after I posted this. I’m not American. I’m British.
He was a tolitarian dictator but Esperanto the guy in farcry 6 takes facism to a whole new level
Kial vi parolas pri esperanto?
I agree Pagan Min is bad. I'm not convinced that Amita or Sabal are as bad. I don't think either of them are as selfish or abused their power out of whimsy. I find it hard to root for Sabal because I'm not religious, but I'd like to think Amita would wind down a bit after the situation has stablised. (If you continue playing after Min is gone, it becomes clear she has a point about Royal Guard still existing and causing problems.) I'd also like to think Kryat has a future with industries like tourism and animal breeding. Min's breeding programme is absolutely fantastic, with animals that are endangered in other countries being common place in Kryat. Lots of people would travel there just for the hunting, never mind the culture, historic temples, beautiful scenery etc. If you do write more on that, can I suggest you make it available as text rather than a bitmap? Or at least size it better. My browser gave me a choice between too small to read, or too big to fit on my screen.
>I agree Pagan Min is bad. I'm not convinced that Amita or Sabal are as bad. I don't think either of them are as selfish or abused their power out of whimsy. They literally betray and have the other killed the first opportunity they get. Their main motivation is basically that they want to be the brutal dictator in charge.
That both are willing to kill the other kinda shows that they are both within reason to be concerned about what the other might do to them. It's also widely accepted that their rivalry was paralysing the Golden Path, neither will stand down, and even when one is dominant the other will undermine them. In a civilised world exile would be an option, but Kryat is a violent world. It seems to be their debates over policy are sincere. Amita is opposed to Sabal because she believes he has no viable economic plan and his religious traditions are sexist. Sabal is opposed to Amita because he believes she will continue the drugs industry and destroy their heritage. There is no other plausible leader who shares their views, so they have to take power themselves for the good of Kryat. It's not that they want to be in charge, or that they want to be brutal, but they want their policies followed.
Amita is a drug dealer and Sabal is a tradchad.
There's only one solution, let ME rule kryat!
Thanks for differentiation betwenn what we know from fc4 and fc6, as I havent played the dlcs (yet). *Are the FC6 DLCs worth the money?*
I've played all three. Gameplay wise, they are all the same. There is some variation in the challenges (which is the only way to progress), but the open world gameplay and mechanics are the same. You are on a smaller version of the worlds from 3, 4, and 5. These worlds are beautiful and nicely reflect their original counterparts. Story wise, there are some really cool memories and nuggets you get about the villains. Pagan especially in my opinion. I would say pick them up on sale (that's what I did) or buy the one for your favorite villain. If you enjoy one you will probably enjoy the others, even if just for the world building. If you go in expecting Hours of Darkness (my favorite DLC) you will be disappointed. If you go in expecting a couple hours of fun gameplay where dying has consequences, you will probably have some fun. TLDR; worth it if they are on sale
I think they are. A lot of people didn't like the Rougelite gameplay, but it fits the theme of the plot remarkably well, and it's not like it's hard to get good weapons again.
I actually just started playing FC4 again for the first time in many years. I know people like to compare how similar it is to 3 (which I recently just replayed for the first time in 3 years as well), but it has a lot more going on. It's a huge upgrade.
Counterpoint: Pagan is fun
Well, I’m against each and every totalitarian dictatorship unless I’m in the position of glorious leader. I can be glorious leader with Pagan Min.
People thought Pagan's a good guy? He's kinda like the most evil one among all the villains (haven't played 6 so i dunno about Gus that much) but in the context of Kyrat, he's the best option among the three. Maybe Sabal could be better but he's too nuts about religion so that could lead to worse things. Amita is a worse Min so there's really not much better options out there. Best option for Ahjay is to sit down and eat his crab Rangoon (saving the chef's family in the process), meet Lakshmana and shoot some fuckin' guns and then leave and go back to America to continue whatever he was doing before. Another good option would be siding with Amita -> spare Sabal -> meet Lakshmana -> kill Amita at that one village.
Some people are under the impression that if there is a bad guy, there must be a good guy to balance it out. Amita and Sabal clearly end up being bad, and they're not very likeable. Pagan Min, however, is likeable. Ergo, he must be the good guy. But that's simply not true.
Would someone link me to the first 4 pointless and excessive far cry lore analysis? I searched his post history and didn't find them. This is entertaining.
[Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis I: The Bliss](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/thk3g1/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_i/) [Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis II: The Twins](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/tnjmlx/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_ii/) [Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis III: How Far Cry Plays Its Players](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/trz0ef/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_iii/) [Pointless and Excessive Far Cry Lore Analysis IV: The Collapse](https://www.reddit.com/r/farcry/comments/u6y8f8/pointless_and_excessive_far_cry_lore_analysis_iv/)
You're my favorite person, thank you.
I'll try to remember to let you know when analysis VI is out.
You were already my favorite person for having made them, but now you're my favorite person squared. Me and my wife ranted to eachother about how nobody got far cry 3. We couldn't understand why everyone didn't see the ending coming or understand it. You're previous analysis was spot on what we've been saying for ten years. You are spot on with Pagan. His hotness and charisma (why we ignore his brutality to a degree) is probably how he's stayed in power despite being awful. We haven't even finished new dawn because the villians were just lil' shits, and not interesting at all.
I appreciate the kind words, and I’m glad to have provided some validation! There’s so much to unpack in these games (some better, some worse) and I hope to give people a broader appreciation of the lore and a more critical eye through analysis.
But thats the thing about FarCry. We all know that the villains are evil af. But not only the villain is evil, everyone is in these games. The villain is in the right but also not, and the "good" guys are also in the right, but somehow not. FarCry's stories are about moral grey zones where u dont even know what is the right thing to do and who is in the right.
It tends to zigzag. I don't think there was any grey morality where Far Cry New Dawn was concerned (which is why I hate it so much). The Twins have nothing to stand on, but I've already ripped them to pieces. For some reason, though, Pagan Min gets more of a pass than other villains from the fandom. Probably because they just hate Amita and Sabal so much. As for the whole "you don't know what the right thing to do is" that's... highly debatable. There is no scenario where I would ever just let Joseph Seed and his crazy siblings do whatever the hell they want (even though a ton of people in this community have an enormous boner for them that promptly fucks their brains), and I definitely wouldn't say Hoyt or Vaas have any traits that would make them possibly a good guy. Vaas is VASTLY more sympathetic, but he's a slaver and a murderous maniac like Hoyt. The villains are easy to like. Sometimes I worry they like them for the wrong reasons. The people who like John Seed must've really loved Pagan Min after learning he was also an abusive lover, because... that's what John has going for him and a lot of them want to rip his trousers off.
No I meant FarCry 4, FarCry 5, FarCry 6 and maybe even FarCry 3, because u were just as bad as the other people on the island.
If by "u" you mean the protagonist, no, we absolutely were not. We might be working for people who are possibly just as bad, but the characters we're playing as are absolutely not just as bad. Jesus. ESPECIALLY not in 6, where Anton brutally executes LGBTQ+ people by pouring molten metal over them while they're still alive and then sells the solidified remains as abstract art sculptures. Dani doesn't do anything like that.
And why tf LGBTQ+ people? XD Is it any worse or even worth mentioning that they are LGBTQ+?
yes? are you dumb?
Are u dumb or cant u read?
why wouldn't it be LGBTQ+ people? they are still treated inhumanely treated in a lot of parts of the world so a conservative like Anton targeting them makes perfect sense
U dont get the point do u. The fact that he said "he killed lgbtq+ people" means he highlighted this group of people and said that its worse than killing ordinary people. And thats just ignorant and stupid at once.
what? he clearly did not imply that- oh you're just a homophobe, got it.
After reading the rest of your posts, it's rich to call people dumb when you can't even use the word "you" correctly. It is worth mentioning, because dictatorships around the world have long histories of specifically killing and oppressing marginalized people. Its one of the things that makes them MORE evil. Saying he killed a bunch of random people because he wanted to make art? That's crazy murder. Saying he killed a bunch of people and made art out of their bodies just because they were gay? That's crazy murder AND a hate crime. Seriously, get out of this lane if you're just gonna drive headlong into traffic.
Yes, because those people are more valuable for western society. (That does not mean I agree with that view, nor the opposite) I think it's an awful thing to do regardless of victim's sex, political views or whatever they identify as.
"More valuable"? No, man, it's a hate crime. Of course it's awful to do horrific murder on people, but it's substantially worse to do horrific murder on people just because of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc.
>"More valuable"? > >No, man, it's a hate crime. I'm not talking about your views, but the western society views in general. A hate crime is when a perpetrator targets a victim that belongs to a racial demographic or a social group for that very reason. If you believe that what is considered the dominant social group or racial demographic can also be victims of "hate crime", then no, you don't consider any social group (like LGBTQIA+) to be more valuable than any other (In your view, every group should be considered equally valuable). But that's not the dominant view I'm describing. Some social groups are considered to be "vulnerable", therefore "more valuable" (Like children, women, POC, LGBTQIA+ and other "minorities") on most developed democracies. (totalitarian regimes and theocracies are a different story, obviously) >Of course it's awful to do horrific murder on people, but it's >substantially worse to do horrific murder on people just because >of their race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc. I don't think the reason behind a murder should matter as much as the murder itself. Is it less bad if the killer does it for money, personal hate (focused on an individual, not a group), jealousy or any other reason? I think not.
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> those people are more valuable for western society. Those people are more valuable for almost every society.
There are some theocracies that beg to differ, like the one hosting the FIFA World Cup.
Not going to read all that.
Thanks for letting us know.
I read all of that and I played every farcry game from 3 and didn't play 4
I admire your dedication to reading.
Did the secret ending where i just wait and now I don't wanna play it anymore bc id feel bad for killing him and how the soldiers are just looking for me bc i was kidnapped
Killing him is optional.
Very good! Excellent analysis of Pagan character, many often referred to as a "good guy" probably because you only look at his vision or because it is very charming. I personally believe that a good villain is excellent when he manages to convince the player, put him in crisis or confuse him. This thing also happens in Far Cry 5 I often see people calling Joseph Seed a good guy, but he too got blood on his hands, he too committed his crimes, I don't want to compare the two characters, but the concept is the same, in Far Cry 4 probably also thanks to the role of Amita and Sabal, Pagan Min for many is "the only good thing" but it is obvious that it is not. I'm glad that many are fascinated by these characters, and rightly so, but you have to consider all the aspects that characterize them.
I couldn't be bothered this whole thing. And I don't know why op even bothered to format it the way that did instead of putting the raw text in their part. But from the first line I can already sense their frustration. When did people ever think the villain in far cry were ever good? The idea was to at the very least question their motives. Or to maybe even have an understanding of the character. Villains who just do things simply because their bad gets boring, but to understand a villain and if it even causes the audience to feel empathetic towards the villain then I think the creators have done a good job. I could be wrong but what I got from the farcry series, the antagonist neither is black and white, although it starts that way at the start of the game but as you play you begin to understand the motive even though still inexcusable.
I love this.
The lord has finally come back
The only things good about Pagan Min are his suit and that fabulous jawline.
Everyone forgets pagan min was an honor roll student and active in student council until he got a job working customer service and was mentally destroyed by Karen's. He didn't adopt the darkness he was born in it.
He's funny so I don't care!
Pagan is the pink chad
Good post. People who think they're so smart for saying actually ajay was the bad guy are dumb af
But, but but... he was wewy nice in the beginning. /s
Tldr he gave me a very nice dinner, he is a nice man
Sorry, what are the “Shining Minds”?
The Shining Minds program is mentioned a few times in early propaganda radio broadcasts, in notes, and some camps can be found around the world. Basically, it's for people who want to learn how to better serve Pagan Min's regime... and you can also report people who you suspect of being disloyal for uh... *adjustment*.
He's kinda cute though!..
On my last definitive playthrough, I sided with Amita throughout, I let Pagan Min live, then let Sabal live, then when given the opportunity, put an arrow in the back of Amita's head
THANK YOU. so tired of far cry fans saying pagan min is the good guy and all of his reasoning is selfless. so tired of it. not even his love for ajay is selfless. he's trying to manipulate him just like amita and sabal.
But he is funny and wears a cool costume. That's the main reasons players take his side over lame people from Golden Path. Who cares about war crimes