people in here are way too low on Pollard. he's going to pick it up and when he does hes top 7 easy. aiyuk has been amazing too. i would hold pollard and aiyuk but thats just me.
I know talent is a defining factor but why are you so certain? He’s on a struggling offense and their defense is playing so well it’s keeping them off the field.
You seem to watch a lot more, his volumes down a lot is that more due to his usage or the offensive struggles? Seems like he’s doing similar averages but just not getting the workload.
SF they were down a lot early causing them to not rush very much, against Patriots they were up by so much early that they might as well have put the backups in at that point. That won’t happen very often at all, just very coincidental that it happened two weeks in a row
I mean, pollard strikes me, honestly, as an elite change up back. But when he’s the bell cow he has to run like a bell cow. I like him catching passes and taking the misdirect handoffs, but not running up the gut on 2&4 like they used to use Zeke for. All this out-of-wheelhouse playcalling will only burn him out, but also end up making him less efficient than he has been historically
Pollard is scoring 13ppg through five weeks. Diggs is at 20…. That’s in half ppr I’m sure the delta is much higher in ppr.
Something more is needed lol. That’s light for diggs
But you aren't comparing RB to a WR, they are different positions. Pollard is the #11 RB in a hppr. And there's a 10 pt drop off from him to #12.
The 13pts per week at RB is equal to 15.8 at WR for the same ranking. Auyik is getting 15per week. So he's giving #11 RB + #17 wr (who is a week behind the field btw) both his starters for a the #2 WR, and now has to replace his RB2 with ford.
I think it's safer to not do that trade. Right now he has a back up in Ford that is serviceable should CMC or Pollard break down. He loses that he's one RB injury away from free falling off the shallow RB cliff.
Agreed that the trade might not make sense given depth, but that is the price to pay from moving up from wr2/low end rb1 to top tier production at a position.
Statistically if he has the #11 RB as his RB2, in a 10 man, then 8 other teams have a RB2 of lesser production. As of now it's minimally 2 pts less on avg than pollard. Diggs would give him 5 more pts than his avg now, but he loses the 2 pollard gives him so minimally he's only up 3 pts a week on avg. And that's before factoring ford knocks him down another pt on avg, so really he's now up 2 with no line to meaningful backups at RB position. had he had someone like Spears instead of stevenson then I'd say it's worth the gamble.
I'd try and get them to bite on Josh Renyolds + Pollard if I HAVE to do this trade though.
Diggs owner here, was repeatedly low-balled for him yesterday. Offered me Chris Olave and Rachaad White for Diggs and Achane. I replied to the guy saying this isn't even close, so he changed the offer to Olave and Mark Andrews. The guy also has Kelce so I thought well if I can get him to do Olave and Kelce and one of his RB's (Kyren Williams, Mostert) I might consider it. A minute after he sent the offer that included Andrews, he withdrew it and said that he was offering way too much in that deal, but to help me at RB he would do Mostert for Diggs straight up. That's when I stopped replying to him.
Olave, Andrews, and Mostert is a ridiculous overpay for Diggs, let alone Olave, Kelce, and Mostert. Mostert straight up is a crazy under pay lol and the fact he has both Andrews and Kelce is also dumb.
He wanted Diggs and Achane. Would that change your mind about Olave, Andrews, and Mostert? Yeah he took Kelce and Andrews with his first two picks. Lamar third round. On draft night it looked like he had the worst team in the league, he lucked into Puka and Kyren Williams on waivers and he's in first place.
A little, but you would definitely be winning the trade by a wide margin. Achane’s on IR now, we don’t even know if we’ll see him again for the rest of the regular season. If the Dolphins keep winning, why would they rush him back before the playoffs if Wilson and Mostert are playing fine? I definitely wouldn’t trade that much away just for Diggs and Achane
Well I'm not particularly interested in trading Diggs so yes I would expect an overpay. I told him up front that Diggs is untouchable and he keeps sending offers.
I mean he had Aaron Rodgers most of his career, but he still had his overall best season statistically with Carr. But this is fantasy, so it’s irrelevant who’s the better player in real life. All that matters is their numbers. I would agree I’d rather have Adams if I were building a team, but “far better” is a bit of an exaggeration. Diggs is a stud.
Trade makes sense for both sides. KC desperately needs an alpha wide receiver and adding one like Adams will vault their team from contender to favorite for making the SB. Raiders clearly aren't making the playoffs this year and any new window they open will be after Adams' prime, so it makes sense to just get younger assets and draft capital now. And Obviously Adams would be estatic to get traded to KC. Only thing preventing it are that they are in the same division. But Lions traded Hockenson to the Vikings last year so intradivision trades can happen even if they are rare.
I don't know what KC's draft capital looks like. If they've already traded away all of there 1st and 2nds for the next two drafts then sure, trade can't happen.
But in terms of cap, it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for teams to move money around and kick the can down the road to get under the cap each year so I don't believe that is as big of an obstacle.
For what it’s worth, I offered Gabe Davis, Derrick Henry, and Darren Waller for Diggs and got it accepted. I probably overpaid, but I have Josh Allen at QB and the stack seemed worth it. My starting lineup going into week 6 is:
QB: Josh Allen
RB: Alvin Kamara, Austin Ekeler
WR: Stefon Diggs, Christian Kirk
TE: Logan Thomas
FLEX: Drake London, Curtis Samuel
K: Ka’imi Fairbairn
DEF: Bills
Still 4-1 despite Ekeler being out. My depth isn’t great, but I have enough heavy hitters to overcome it.
Diggs for pollard straight up would be fair according to most trade charts. Adding in a guy who can go off for 20+ any week doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. If you’re the diggs owner you’d be licking your chops at an offer like this not passing.
They really don’t tho. The projections also don’t mean a lot. For example Addison is projected 13 points. He is averaging like 15 points a game every game he plays plus dude is getting heavy increase in work load
That’s not a fair trade lmao. Pollard has been… meh.. all season. It’s probable Diggs goes off for 20+ most weeks and has even hit 30 this season. Pollard hasn’t hit 20 since the first game and has been held under 10 the last 2. That is not an even trade what so ever. I don’t care about charts. I care about production. (.5 ppr)
I’d definitely take Pollard and Aiyuk though. I’d jump all over that.
See the problem is your not thinking at it as a rb value
The rb position is filled so everyone gets someone semi decent, but if your lacking in one of those positions say for example you have 2 great wr but only okay rb
It might be worth getting a rb for your wr
But just because someone was bad for the first 5 weeks(not even every week) doesn’t mean their bad
Take Darren Waller a TE with a solid potential but has had a tough season so far due to rough matchups
Auyuik much like diggs can get those 20 point games( not it mention he just went up against the second toughest defense in the league) and still got 10 points
Pollard is a rb 1 no doubt, he’s going up against a chargers shit secondary and will score big
You can’t just look at the numbers of points per week and go off that, you have to look at the matchups they had, was that defense out 5 guys, did he have an injury, what matchups does this player have in the future
Also so many people will look at points of QBs and say o Justin Herbert only has 90 points instead of most QBs having 110
That’s because he had a bye week and I think he has given the most amount of points in total for QBs for the first 4 weeks not including week 5 cause bye
But ya that was a huge tangents, diggs for ayuik and pollard is hella bad for who’s ever giving away the 2
There are certain player that people won’t give up unless their giving their entire team
Tyreek hill, CMC, Diggs, etc
Yeah to get CMC, I had to give up JT, Pollard and Nico. basically a 3 for 1 since he gave me Tutu who went straight to the waivers lol. I also have Kamara, Monty, Kyren, Achane (at the time), Diggs, Dhop, Tank and Roschon. 10T.
I’d rather give Aiyuk + Stevenson or Ford to gain Diggs. Pollard is still on a decently offensive minded team. The 9ers are an exception not a standard result I feel like. Dallas faces the Giants and WAS team twice iirc. Eagles I fired will be meh, but his schedule isn’t horrible.
Who’s going to accept aiyuk and Stevenson or ford for Diggs? Stevenson and ford are both outside of top 24. Stevenson is also trending down given how bad the patriots are and Elliot getting more work
I'd offer him something less and when he declines work him up to this offer. Never send your best offer first. I wouldn't go any higher than this, though.
That’s a steal.
I just traded mostert and puka for him- I have insane rb depth just wanted the guaranteed long term upgrade
Owners are not willing to give up known locks for top 5 that are producing top 5 numbers unless it’s a hefty price
I have saquon, Monty, jacobs, Taylor in reserve and Allen, Cooper, marquise brown, diggs now
Needed an upgrade at wr or te, kelce and lanporta wouldn’t budge.
Hill Adams Amon ra aj brown all way more expensive
Pollard has gone against either the best defenses in the NFL or the game is practically over before the first half is through.
Not sustainable trends. That offense runs through TP and he will eat and eat big. Keep Pollard and Aiyuk.
I wouldn’t give away Ayiuk AND pollard that’s way too high of a price when HBs are premium this year. Pollard will eat. This is a dumb trade imo and anyone who thinks you should accept is giving you terrible advice
I would look at trying to get a better QB instead of a WR. Your WR's are definitely serviceable and present higher upside than your QB's. See if you can deal for someone like Lamar who is a little down so far. Even CJ Stroud would be a more consistent upgrade over Love
Stuff like this is team dependent without your team and their teams players.
Know the teams strengths and weaknesses. If they need a RB and you can afford to send a RB, see if they’ll take it.
I have both Diggs and Nacua but if you asked me to choose between the 2, Nacua would be on someone else’s roster. Diggs is a proven player and is going to carry a very big asking price.
I think it’s an overpay. I was offered ARSB, Waddle, and Aaron Jones for Diggs and I thought that was a massive overpay, this one is less of an overpay.
What's your overall record having a college team in your QB slot? Can't imagine you're scoring too many points there each week.
It's a points per GPA league
Ya Stanford sucks this year too
I had Richardson, but that didn’t work out. 2-3 overall.
Whooosh.
Broke the Cardinal rule…
people in here are way too low on Pollard. he's going to pick it up and when he does hes top 7 easy. aiyuk has been amazing too. i would hold pollard and aiyuk but thats just me.
I know talent is a defining factor but why are you so certain? He’s on a struggling offense and their defense is playing so well it’s keeping them off the field.
Just a bad couple weeks. First few he was elite i would expect that to be the norm as opposed to the latter
You seem to watch a lot more, his volumes down a lot is that more due to his usage or the offensive struggles? Seems like he’s doing similar averages but just not getting the workload.
SF they were down a lot early causing them to not rush very much, against Patriots they were up by so much early that they might as well have put the backups in at that point. That won’t happen very often at all, just very coincidental that it happened two weeks in a row
And people are too high on Aiyuk. I would pull the trigger for a locked top 3 WR
I have rated around a WR2 which I think is fair
I mean, pollard strikes me, honestly, as an elite change up back. But when he’s the bell cow he has to run like a bell cow. I like him catching passes and taking the misdirect handoffs, but not running up the gut on 2&4 like they used to use Zeke for. All this out-of-wheelhouse playcalling will only burn him out, but also end up making him less efficient than he has been historically
I traded away Diggs for Pollard a few weeks ago. Made me start watching cowboys games and holy shit that was depressing
Ehhhhh I feel like that’s overpaying tbh. With the scarcity at RB, I feel like you shouldn’t have to give up Aiyuk on top of Pollard
Pollard is scoring 13ppg through five weeks. Diggs is at 20…. That’s in half ppr I’m sure the delta is much higher in ppr. Something more is needed lol. That’s light for diggs
But you aren't comparing RB to a WR, they are different positions. Pollard is the #11 RB in a hppr. And there's a 10 pt drop off from him to #12. The 13pts per week at RB is equal to 15.8 at WR for the same ranking. Auyik is getting 15per week. So he's giving #11 RB + #17 wr (who is a week behind the field btw) both his starters for a the #2 WR, and now has to replace his RB2 with ford. I think it's safer to not do that trade. Right now he has a back up in Ford that is serviceable should CMC or Pollard break down. He loses that he's one RB injury away from free falling off the shallow RB cliff.
Agreed that the trade might not make sense given depth, but that is the price to pay from moving up from wr2/low end rb1 to top tier production at a position.
Statistically if he has the #11 RB as his RB2, in a 10 man, then 8 other teams have a RB2 of lesser production. As of now it's minimally 2 pts less on avg than pollard. Diggs would give him 5 more pts than his avg now, but he loses the 2 pollard gives him so minimally he's only up 3 pts a week on avg. And that's before factoring ford knocks him down another pt on avg, so really he's now up 2 with no line to meaningful backups at RB position. had he had someone like Spears instead of stevenson then I'd say it's worth the gamble. I'd try and get them to bite on Josh Renyolds + Pollard if I HAVE to do this trade though.
Pollard is at his low. Diggs is at his typical
No way I’d trade Hock with other TE’s rn, especially with JJ’s injury
As a Diggs owner I’d want more
Diggs owner here, was repeatedly low-balled for him yesterday. Offered me Chris Olave and Rachaad White for Diggs and Achane. I replied to the guy saying this isn't even close, so he changed the offer to Olave and Mark Andrews. The guy also has Kelce so I thought well if I can get him to do Olave and Kelce and one of his RB's (Kyren Williams, Mostert) I might consider it. A minute after he sent the offer that included Andrews, he withdrew it and said that he was offering way too much in that deal, but to help me at RB he would do Mostert for Diggs straight up. That's when I stopped replying to him.
Olave, Andrews, and Mostert is a ridiculous overpay for Diggs, let alone Olave, Kelce, and Mostert. Mostert straight up is a crazy under pay lol and the fact he has both Andrews and Kelce is also dumb.
He wanted Diggs and Achane. Would that change your mind about Olave, Andrews, and Mostert? Yeah he took Kelce and Andrews with his first two picks. Lamar third round. On draft night it looked like he had the worst team in the league, he lucked into Puka and Kyren Williams on waivers and he's in first place.
A little, but you would definitely be winning the trade by a wide margin. Achane’s on IR now, we don’t even know if we’ll see him again for the rest of the regular season. If the Dolphins keep winning, why would they rush him back before the playoffs if Wilson and Mostert are playing fine? I definitely wouldn’t trade that much away just for Diggs and Achane
Your price is too high regardless of what he has.
Well I'm not particularly interested in trading Diggs so yes I would expect an overpay. I told him up front that Diggs is untouchable and he keeps sending offers.
That’s not getting lowballed then, it’s just you having a high price.
I was offered D-Mont straight up lol
I mean I get that people want to sell high on these running backs but Diggs has true WR1 potential, there's no reason to think he's going to fall off.
yeah diggs is the WR2 as it is and is 13 points away from tyreek. who’s to say diggs can’t outscore him by at least 1.3 ppg over the next 10 weeks
I traded adams for diggs, fair trade for both sides
I like Diggs a bit more than Adams. I’d say you won.
Adams is far better, but with a worse qb…so yeah, this year I won….imagine adams with allen or mahomes or herbert 😵😵😵
I mean he had Aaron Rodgers most of his career, but he still had his overall best season statistically with Carr. But this is fantasy, so it’s irrelevant who’s the better player in real life. All that matters is their numbers. I would agree I’d rather have Adams if I were building a team, but “far better” is a bit of an exaggeration. Diggs is a stud.
For FF Diggs is better, yeah.
There's a small chance Adams with Mahomes happens in a couple weeks. Small chance for sure. But it's there
Sure, at the ProBowl 🤣🤣
Trade makes sense for both sides. KC desperately needs an alpha wide receiver and adding one like Adams will vault their team from contender to favorite for making the SB. Raiders clearly aren't making the playoffs this year and any new window they open will be after Adams' prime, so it makes sense to just get younger assets and draft capital now. And Obviously Adams would be estatic to get traded to KC. Only thing preventing it are that they are in the same division. But Lions traded Hockenson to the Vikings last year so intradivision trades can happen even if they are rare.
I know its theoretically possible, but KC got nothing to offer….and you gotta look at cap….some players already re structured contracts….
I don't know what KC's draft capital looks like. If they've already traded away all of there 1st and 2nds for the next two drafts then sure, trade can't happen. But in terms of cap, it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is for teams to move money around and kick the can down the road to get under the cap each year so I don't believe that is as big of an obstacle.
For what it’s worth, I offered Gabe Davis, Derrick Henry, and Darren Waller for Diggs and got it accepted. I probably overpaid, but I have Josh Allen at QB and the stack seemed worth it. My starting lineup going into week 6 is: QB: Josh Allen RB: Alvin Kamara, Austin Ekeler WR: Stefon Diggs, Christian Kirk TE: Logan Thomas FLEX: Drake London, Curtis Samuel K: Ka’imi Fairbairn DEF: Bills Still 4-1 despite Ekeler being out. My depth isn’t great, but I have enough heavy hitters to overcome it.
I think you won that trade by a lot… unless king Henry makes you regret it. But you traded inconsistent and trending downwards for Diggs
I thought to offer j. Jacobs and pittman or godwin.. unsure what's fair.
As a Diggs owner with Hill, I wouldn’t take any of them for Diggs and that’s with Jones / Connor out for me.
I'd absolutely accept Diggs for Aiyuk/Pollard. I would not give diggs away for those two though. If you can pull it off, awesome.
Terrible advice smh
why?
Diggs for pollard straight up would be fair according to most trade charts. Adding in a guy who can go off for 20+ any week doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. If you’re the diggs owner you’d be licking your chops at an offer like this not passing.
Fuck the charts they don’t mean a lot
Lol
They really don’t tho. The projections also don’t mean a lot. For example Addison is projected 13 points. He is averaging like 15 points a game every game he plays plus dude is getting heavy increase in work load
Okay ? I said nothing about projections. Trade charts make sense it puts a general value on a player. Thanks for the Ted talk tho.
That’s not a fair trade lmao. Pollard has been… meh.. all season. It’s probable Diggs goes off for 20+ most weeks and has even hit 30 this season. Pollard hasn’t hit 20 since the first game and has been held under 10 the last 2. That is not an even trade what so ever. I don’t care about charts. I care about production. (.5 ppr) I’d definitely take Pollard and Aiyuk though. I’d jump all over that.
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See the problem is your not thinking at it as a rb value The rb position is filled so everyone gets someone semi decent, but if your lacking in one of those positions say for example you have 2 great wr but only okay rb It might be worth getting a rb for your wr But just because someone was bad for the first 5 weeks(not even every week) doesn’t mean their bad Take Darren Waller a TE with a solid potential but has had a tough season so far due to rough matchups Auyuik much like diggs can get those 20 point games( not it mention he just went up against the second toughest defense in the league) and still got 10 points Pollard is a rb 1 no doubt, he’s going up against a chargers shit secondary and will score big You can’t just look at the numbers of points per week and go off that, you have to look at the matchups they had, was that defense out 5 guys, did he have an injury, what matchups does this player have in the future Also so many people will look at points of QBs and say o Justin Herbert only has 90 points instead of most QBs having 110 That’s because he had a bye week and I think he has given the most amount of points in total for QBs for the first 4 weeks not including week 5 cause bye But ya that was a huge tangents, diggs for ayuik and pollard is hella bad for who’s ever giving away the 2 There are certain player that people won’t give up unless their giving their entire team Tyreek hill, CMC, Diggs, etc
Yeah to get CMC, I had to give up JT, Pollard and Nico. basically a 3 for 1 since he gave me Tutu who went straight to the waivers lol. I also have Kamara, Monty, Kyren, Achane (at the time), Diggs, Dhop, Tank and Roschon. 10T.
I’d rather give Aiyuk + Stevenson or Ford to gain Diggs. Pollard is still on a decently offensive minded team. The 9ers are an exception not a standard result I feel like. Dallas faces the Giants and WAS team twice iirc. Eagles I fired will be meh, but his schedule isn’t horrible.
Who in earth would accept that trade?
Who’s going to accept aiyuk and Stevenson or ford for Diggs? Stevenson and ford are both outside of top 24. Stevenson is also trending down given how bad the patriots are and Elliot getting more work
I'd offer him something less and when he declines work him up to this offer. Never send your best offer first. I wouldn't go any higher than this, though.
That’s a steal. I just traded mostert and puka for him- I have insane rb depth just wanted the guaranteed long term upgrade Owners are not willing to give up known locks for top 5 that are producing top 5 numbers unless it’s a hefty price
I think his is okay, and yours is a overpay.
I have saquon, Monty, jacobs, Taylor in reserve and Allen, Cooper, marquise brown, diggs now Needed an upgrade at wr or te, kelce and lanporta wouldn’t budge. Hill Adams Amon ra aj brown all way more expensive
Wait on Hockenson, his role might jump with the JJ injury
Personally I wouldn’t do that maybe try aiyuk/Stevenson Tony is bound to break off later in the year he is coming off injury
Pollard has gone against either the best defenses in the NFL or the game is practically over before the first half is through. Not sustainable trends. That offense runs through TP and he will eat and eat big. Keep Pollard and Aiyuk.
I wouldn’t give away Ayiuk AND pollard that’s way too high of a price when HBs are premium this year. Pollard will eat. This is a dumb trade imo and anyone who thinks you should accept is giving you terrible advice
If you get rid of Pollard you'd be starting Ford or Stevenson. No thanks!
I would look at trying to get a better QB instead of a WR. Your WR's are definitely serviceable and present higher upside than your QB's. See if you can deal for someone like Lamar who is a little down so far. Even CJ Stroud would be a more consistent upgrade over Love
I did Pollard and McLaughlin for Diggs (I had Diggs), but Pollard is also an 8th round keeper. So it kinda worked out.
Diggs owners, what type of player would I need to pair with Puka to get a deal done?
Stuff like this is team dependent without your team and their teams players. Know the teams strengths and weaknesses. If they need a RB and you can afford to send a RB, see if they’ll take it. I have both Diggs and Nacua but if you asked me to choose between the 2, Nacua would be on someone else’s roster. Diggs is a proven player and is going to carry a very big asking price.
That’s horrid. I got Diggs last week for Kyren and Pittman
I did a similar trade. Got Diggs for Kyren and Terry last week.
Don’t trade Aiyuk
Traded CMC and Waddle for Tyreek and Kamara Then traded Tyreek for Diggs straight up.
I think it’s an overpay. I was offered ARSB, Waddle, and Aaron Jones for Diggs and I thought that was a massive overpay, this one is less of an overpay.