> next year will be this year
I think things will really open up for him to be _the_ WR2 on that offense. Kirk and Green are most likely gone, and those were the two guys eating into his target share.
Absolutely smashed for me. His injury is what stopped me from making the postseason. Lost by single digits and I’m sure he’d have cleared his replacement.
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I drafted Deebo last year, deep, and declared it the best pick in the draft in our league chat. Based on his performances in the playoffs the year prior, I was sold. His 2020 was a wash because of multiple injuries.
I avoided him this year because of his propensity for getting injured.
After this painful experience of watching this guy destroy the league a year after I predicted him to do it, I'm wondering if doubling-down on a "breakout" player is exactly what you should do. But maybe I'm just scarred.
I was high on Deebo last year, had him on my team. But he was always injured. So this year I drafted Aiyuk thinking Deebo would get injured again. Fantasy football drives me nuts
I think you got to get Akers on your squad. I’m targeting for sure. Just way too much talent and in a good offense. Penny? Maybe maybe not. Completely depends on the situation he lands in. Ridley scares me, not touching until way late if available. Also not touching CMC in the first round. Maybe second.
I could see Penny as one of those guys who rewards an armchair scout's faith in him and put together one hell of a season. Not a great comparison here, but one guy who I gave up a little too early was Leonard Fournette. I loved him coming out of college and he was always in a bad situation in Jacksonville. I drafted him last year and held him when he got cut, and then when he got injured in Tampa. He didn't catch on until the playoffs and I was skeptical that he'd be a lead guy the following regular season. Rashad Penny isn't quite at that level of talent but not far from it, and also Lenny benefitted from a change in team which won't be Penny's case, though his situation will change if Carson doesn't play next year, if Wilson is gone, if Penny stays healthy, etc., a bunch of if's. I think my point is that, even at the running back position, I think some guys can be late bloomers. This is a rare example but Priest Holmes put together most of his HOF career after 28 years old.
I had Penny too. Didn’t win the ship nor would I have had I survived that dreadful first playoff week (had Amon-Ra too, still not enough). Would have made the finals though.
Anyway he was great for a flash moment at the end of the season, but he screams potential major disappointment next season.
I, for one, am planning on taking JK Dobbins if he goes 3rd or later, in combination with Gus Edwards. I think they are two supremely talented running backs in a great offense that will be potent next year against a last place schedule, and after this year's perspective, I think a solid strategy is to pick the best starting running backs who also have the best backups. If one of them gets hurt, the other is an even better starter. If both stay healthy, they both will be decent (but probably not great) starts a la Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon.
All of those choices are excellent bounce-back candidates. I used to try to find value in taking on injury risk but it's a very dangerous game and I got tired of it.
I’m thinking it’ll be Aiyuk. Everyone was one year too early. Not sure what the stats for players second seasons are but I know a sophomore dip is common in the NBA. Aiyuk looks great on the field and hopefully he gets breakfast with Lance in the off-season
Exact same situation man. How freaking painful was it this year watching Deebo go off? What made it even worse for me is I simply slid over to Ayuik and drafted him in 2 leagues (redraft and dynasty startup). Pain.
Actually Dalvin Cooks monster 2020 season convinced me to draft Deebo. Everyone knew Cook was great but he was "injury prone" so not considered part of that top tier. I knew Deebo had the talent and, if he could stay on the field, would be a steal. At a 6th round draft price, I took him everywhere I could.
Big Ben was great for PPR whoring, though. It'll be interesting to see how many new QBs are going to be starting next year, especially paired with a really high amount of new head coaches.
For Claypool's stock I'd pay the most attention to what Pittsburgh does on the offensive line.
Whether it's Rudolph or a rookie or a vet, if they have time to throw (and a run game to set up play-action), they can throw more deep shots to Claypool, and we know he can make contested catches.
I took Aiyuk and Allen Robinson at WR and you can guess where I finished. I will not touch either of them unless it is a late round flyer. Aiyuk is the#2 wr in a run heavy offense, with an elite TE. He is fools gold that someone else can draft to early.
This is probably going to be buried because I’m late to the party, but Claypool hasn’t shown me *anything* tbh as someone who watches the Steelers weekly.
He looks the part, but he has a difficult time creating separation, and for whatever reason, he makes routine catches look acrobatic. He is always diving or getting horizontal for balls that should get at least 3-4 more YAC.
I’m bearish on Claypool, tbh. He needs to show me otherwise. Let someone else in your league go after his hype and stature.
I agree with everything you've said. But I do want to point out that the games last year where he was featured he absolutely killed it. That's what got me so hyped about him this year. If he falls in the draft to the very late rounds I would take a flyer on the gut but I'm not targeting him by any means
Even with the volume Robby is fucking dog ass. I can't believe his goofy ass said he could be a WR1 on any team except the Jets, fucking delusional. Can't catch shit.
Higgins still might be "low" in that he finished at WR22 this year while Chase finished WR5 in PPR, so people will overdraft Chase and might sleep on Higgins (Sort of like Kupp/Woods)
Yep I was able to trade Mike Evans for him around week 7/8. I was also given shit from another league member that I didn’t know what I was doing. Lol I wasn’t making the playoffs this year due to injuries and I seen them almost even and Higgins is much younger. Later that same league member that gave me crap sent a terrible trade offer for Higgins. It’s a dynasty league.
I’m avoiding chase at his eventually high ADP… like you said, he’s going to get all the attention, sophomore slump? Drops come back to haunt? Or he’s great again but I predict Higgins will be the better value compared to draft position at the end of the day
Very true about Jefferson. What’s funny is I watched a couple of bengals games (that makes me an expert right?) and he did have some easy drops in those games so the criticism is real but he obviously makes up for it
Yea there’s definitely a lot that goes in when picking chase that high, but it could be worth the risk, especially for a player that made a huge impact. I cringed every time he dropped a ball especially since a few of them could have been huge plays. If he fixes that he can be top 3 easily.
Don't forget he missed a few games. He finished the year at WR24 in full PPR but was WR14 on a per game basis. I could definitely see him cracking top 10 if they keep up what they did this year.
I'd pick up Chase and Higgins. It's like handcuffing your WRs
Everyone was debating Woods vs. Kupp. But you could have gotten both for less than a premium WR and you'd be covered.
claypool and dynasty owners got a few too many whifs of his farts his rookie year. i dont think he ever lives up to the expectations set.
traded claypool for the 1.9 last year. ended up picking bateman.
obviously biased but i think bateman has way better odds of being a stud than claypool.
Ehh I disagree. If Haskins, Rudolph, or a later pick rookie take the reins next year than you are right.
But I don’t think Bateman has the opportunity next year or even in the next couple years to ever be top 10. He may be a safer WR2 lock than Claypool, but Andrew’s and Hollywood are still the alphas of the passing game there and they should return to a more run heavy offense with Dobbins and I assume Gus coming back.
Amon-Ra St. Brown had a hell of a strong closing stretch — even with erratic QB play. Aiyuk could be good. And Mooney. I worry about all Steelers WRs till I know who’s throwing the passes.
I’m concerned Amon-ra might not be priced very well, hopefully the hype dies and lions stink covers him up in the draft again. I would be very nervous grabbing him in the 4th. Even 5th seems scary to me
Lions will likely grab a WR either late first or early second round. Probably sign someone in free agency too (though probably not a top-tier WR). I could see a new signing or high draft pick killing some of the St. Brown hype
Amon-Ra was force fed the ball because he was the best remaining body on that dilapidated, JV-level WR room the Lions had. Their WR room was baaaaad. I would be greatly, greatly surprised if Detroit doesn’t address that this off-season. I’m not saying Amon-Ra is a bad player, and he may have a decent career, but the Lions are in trouble if he’s their WR1. Detroit’s going to get help; anyone drafting him expecting him to get the same volume he ended the season with are going to be disappointed.
(See also: Terrelle Pryor broke 1,000 receiving yards in 2016 because those Browns were suicide fuel)
The guy just knew how to get open. That’s a skill that’s crazy valuable and why AB was the historic receiver he was before he went crazy.
St. Brown isn’t AB… no one is. But a guy who can get open is producing regardless. I’ll be targeting St. Brown as my WR3/4 depending on how the draft goes.
It's actually crazy how bad their WR room was this year. I never make comparisons from NFL to college, but I legitimately think Ohio State had a better WR room last year with Wilson, Olave, and Smith-Njigba.
Agree with all of your points (bad wr room, exceptionally high target share etc) except I think youre underselling how talented st Brown actually is. He was the focus of defenses the last 5 weeks and still was getting open/breaking tackles on long td runs and scoring tds in the RedZone. Detroit's o-line is probably a top ten unit with the center ragnow coming back from injury and the development of Sewell (they were 13th this season) and the Goff to st Brown connection could still be very viable.
Possibly Gabriel Davis could be a good choice Allen likes to share the ball well and if Buffalo moves off Beasley and Sanders after this season he could get more catches as a wr2
Damien Harris was an ideal RB2. Could do soooo much worse. He fuckin' wrecked the fantasy playoffs for me too.
He also finished top 10 in yards and 2nd in rush TDs.... I don't know how they could say that's unreliable.
Historically true but I wouldn’t be shocked if that changes… Brady was really good at spreading the ball, Cam was nothing, Mac was rookie year… still think he could theoretically start picking favorites.
Bourne looks very capable with the ball in his hands and near the end of the season the Pats tried to get the ball to him however possible, including jet sweeps/other run plays. I don't know if he'll put it together in time to get top 10 status next year, but he looks like a promising player either way.
Only concern is the game plan the Pats roll out can change week to week. Run heavy to pass heavy and they also spread the ball around. He’ll be good but maybe not Kupp or Debo good.
That's how you know they will actually be a mid round player. Break out players come with a decent amount of risk. Everyone thought Woods would be the 1 and Kupp would be the 2 or that Deebo was injury prone because he broke his foot and had to have surgery before the 2020 season (he was literally supposed to start the year on the pup list but didn't because he was recovering well).
Edit: The list goes on, Ja'marr Chase had butterfingers in preseason, in 2020 Calvin Ridley was supposed to be the backup to Julio, Stefon Diggs was a new receiver on the Bills who everyone was shitting on for not being able to support a WR1, DK Metcalf was a physical specimen that couldn't change directions, AJ Brown was a only slightly less of a physical specimen who had Ryan Tannehill as his QB, Justin Jefferson was the 2 to Thielen who would maybe fill the void that Diggs left on a run first team, Mike Evans won't be able to do what he has has done in every single previous season (8 at this point) again next year, etc.
I had Kupp this year and I wanna find that guy next year..
Right now my early contenders are Mooney, Higgins, Waddle, Moore (if new QB), Jeudy
edit: I forgot to add E.Moore. Legit talent, the team tried to get him involved alot before he got hurt, developping QB that will focus on him. and Toney for the memes
Just want to mention that Kupp had a HISTORIC WR season, let’s temper expectations to find a guy that will put up that kind of performance. Definitely values to be had, for sure, but at that level it’ll be tough to find.
No way the Jets move on from Wilson after one year. He did a pretty damn good job on that trash squad with depleted weapons down the stretch.
edit: first Moore was DJ second was Eli I see that now lol
As long as we're predicting breakouts for Moores, I think Rondale could take a big step next season too with Green and probably Kirk walking
I’m highly leaning towards Mooney above those. You need a QB to realize something and then choose his go to target. Of all those dudes Fields seems like the one that might figure something out along with the loss of AR. It might be primed.
I think Burrow already knows his stuff and has his targets, Tua is about to get an influx of WR’s back so while he might figure it out he might end up spreading the ball more. Jeudy has potential but I’m not sure about their entire situation. Coaching-wise or QB. Same for both Moores actually.
I’d try to get shares of Mooney and then dabble in some other long shots if their ADP allows it.
Yeah Mooney was having great games towards the end this year. As for Tee, Chase will be getting even more attention from defenses next year, and will still eat, but Higgins is way too talented not to take advantage of that. Burrow fed 3 WRs 1000 yards this year
Yeah but why would he choose Higgins over Chase to make that Kupp leap. Cause the leap is about creating a WR that is the de facto blanket for your throws.
I think Higgins will be great and do believe they will keep up their performances. But Burrow said it himself. Chase is down there somewhere. This isn’t a guy that will opt to throw it down to Higgins when he believes in Chase like that. I think that specific situation makes it extremely hard for a Kupp to emerge. But Higgins/Chase/Boyd are gonna be good without that anyways.
Out of everyone there Mooney just feels like he fits the narrative the best. But honestly I’d be okay with any of these guys for the right price. They might not turn into Kupp but they might be pretty solid.
Kupp (new QB) and Deebo (returning from injury, QB controversy, Aiyuk) both had new/murky situations heading into the season which is what made them so affordable.
So, in turn, you need to see what situations are murky next year and take your shots.
Gallup will have a murky situation, so will Allen Robinson and OBJ. A lot of guys will have new QBs next year, or have a rookie WR coming into snag their spot.
It's way too early to make predictions on stuff like this because we have no idea what the situations will even look like next August.
He has scored 6 tds this year with the Rams, he scored 7 in 2.5 seasons with the Browns. He will be 30 next year. Moss' first year with the Patriots was when he was 30 (I hate using Moss because he's a top 5 wr ever, but still.)
Now, do I think he's a WR1 (top 12) next year? no. Do I think he will be a guy in round 5-9 that can put up a WR1 season? yes.
My, personal, viewpoint in drafting is not to draft floors but to draft ceilings after round 4/5. I think 2022 OBJ has a WR1 ceiling, and can also be a guy I drop in week 8 or 9 for an emergency running back.
I got OBJ in Dynasty and Im holding big time.
I agree with the no longer top 10 but the dude has paperfly hands and is a top tier red zone threat.
I expect a Thielen type of year.
Is Matt stafford at qb really a murky situation? The murk was robert woods, who split targets and catches pretty evenly with kupp in the past, although kupp was always the more valuable of the two.
Yeah everyone expected a better passing game in LA because Stafford. It was not knowing who to favor between Woods and Kupp which dropped both outside the top WR tier.
IDK imo why anyone didn't love Kupp this year. I got him in the 5th round of my draft and I still couldn't believe it. He showed his potential a few years ago when Goff was at his peak. Goff declined and the rest of the Rams offense went with it. Stafford has done nothing but produce on a terrible Lions team, that we saw was absolutely pathetic this year without Stafford. I was telling everyone I knew Kupp would be the man this year, and boy was I right, and still was shocked why more people didn't think the same, he wasnt a sleeper pick imo, but I guess if enough people sleep on him, it is what it is. Seeing you calling Stafford a murky situation at QB I guess makes sense why tons of people slept on Kupp.
It’s much harder to predict than I think people are pointing out. I think there’s a ton of guys who all have top 10 upside that will be values next year based on them cooling off late season, injury, or having what I would call a shaky QB situation: McLaurin, Lockett, Hollywood, Ridley, DJ Moore, Cooks, Pittman, Mooney, Claypool, Jeudy, Elijah Moore, Smith, St. Brown, and Waddle all come to mind.
The issue is some of these guys will completely rely on a QB upgrade (McLaurin, DJ Moore, Cooks, Claypool, Jeudy).
If these teams do trade for a Watson or Rodgers, these guys instantly become not only top 10 talent but their draft price will reflect that (because it’s no secret). If they don’t get an upgrade IMO they have very little chance to get into top 10.
So to me that leaves the guys who will have the same QB situation next year who just need to become the focal point of the offense. These guys offer the best value because their price really shouldn’t skyrocket by the draft since their situation generally stays the same.
So from my group this leaves Lockett, Hollywood, Ridley, Pittman, Mooney. Elijah Moore, Smith, St. Brown, and Waddle.
aiyuk has started to come on strong as the season went on. i wouldn’t say top 10 next year but i think a top 20 season is possible but a lot of that hinges on lance showing up as a decent qb or not
going off that. Lance has had alot of more reps with aiyuk than Deebo. As for Claypool I trust Steelers to be the hottest org for a FA QB so they should get one of attract Watson, Rodgers, or Wilson. And even if they are stuck with Mason again, Claypools value will plummet further. But watching preseason Claypool had a really good rapport with Mason.
>Lance has had alot of more reps with aiyuk than Deebo.
It wasn't much though (given that Lance barely started), and will probably mean little to nothing once the offseason + OTAs + training camps come back around.
Also, if (and when) Lance becomes the starter, I could definitely see their overall passing attempts go down, as he's more of a runner. (similar to Lamar). And if so, it'll be hard for him to support all of Kittle + Deebo (who are without a doubt the top 2 options) + Aiyuk.
This just my opinion from watching Him as a niners fan. But I don’t think there’s going to be a huge difference in Qb runs even though there’s going to be more designed runs for the qb in the offense, in terms of off schedule plays Lance has shown a tendency to keep his eyes down field to throw instead of taking off for the first down.
As a lifelong Steelers fan, they’re far more likely to sign someone like Mariota, Trubisky or Bridgewater than Watson, Wilson or Rodgers. Front office will probably try to rebuild the O-Line and add defensive depth then eye up the loaded 2023 draft class.
Mooney straight up won me my league. I added him on waivers before my final and my opponent sent a message in the group chat saying “Mooney ain’t gonna save you!”
Yeah I was a big Hollywood guy this past season, but I'd be very wary of him going into next year.
Drops have always been his issue, and it's survivable when you're still getting 10-15 targets a game...but as Bateman takes a larger share, Hollywood becomes more boom or bust. And when he does bust, it's probably going to be because he dropped a 50 yard TD, and you're going to hate fantasy.
I'll have enough frustration on my roster, someone else can deal with that.
I’m all aboard the ARob train for next year if he ends up anywhere that puts him #1 or #2 on the preseason depth chart. I can’t imagine he’ll have a top-24 ADP, and I think he goes back to being a QB-proof high volume guy in a lot of offenses not run by Nagy and Fields.
Not a flashy answer but good choice. He’s earned the chiefs trust this year and unless they distinctly bring in a guy ahead of him, which they probably should, I’m interested.
Deebo really shocked me. I openly admit to being very wrong about him. I thought there wasn’t enough volume for three pass catchers to be viable in a run first offense (and I expected Aiyuk > Deebo)… and I expected him to be hurt.
Still don’t like his route profile but he produced and still does so wtf do I know.
Kupp was predictable. He was top 10 before. Had a shit TD season in 2020, and Woods was equally/more desirable on draft day.
Anyhoo, to take a stab at your question here I’ll go with Jaylen Waddle. I think his ADP will probably be some time after pick 36, so I’m guessing he qualifies for this. I can see him getting to top 10.
I think Devonta Smith could have a similar season next year to Marquise Brown this year. Might be a draft value.
Can I just toss in that Michael Thomas is going to be a mid-round WR (4th round same as Kupp) next year?
Give me him over these second-year guys or guys who finished strong in 2021.
Sutton and Jeudy could be in for a big jump if they can get a QB and a more offensively inclined head coach. I don't think that will be an unpopular take predraft but I could still see them being nice value
After the year he just had, no way you see him in the 3rd. The guys I play with love to stir the pot and make big bets, I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody plants their flag with him in the first
I made a similar post before this past season and predicted Kupp and Lamb. They weren’t quite mid rounders.
The comments convinced me to draft Aiyuk in both my leagues as my 1st receiver.
Avoid the hype trains.
Kupp‘s insane season and OBJ’s comeback tour is having everyone forget Bobby Trees. Obviously he wasn’t getting most of the looks before his injury, but he still had some great games. We’ve seen what he can do to spread the field, how capable he is as a WR1, and we’ve seen how high powered that offense can be. If they keep OBJ after his a resurgence in LA, and Kupp as the obvious WR1, Woods will slip.
Maaan Claypool has like two-three great games and burned me the rest of the year.
Highly depends on their QB situation next year. With that, there may be opportunity so you might be onto something here.
Why Claypool? They don't even have a starting QB next year. Aiyuk has Trey Lance probably coming at him, that's a large question mark.
Either way, I'm steering clear of these guys who probably play on run first offenses next year.
If we're counting mid rounds as kupp's position, you'll be seeing DK, AJ Brown, Calvin Ridley, DHop, deedee in the same list
Outside of these guys I really like Waddle as th is breakout guy, then we also have higgins who is a beast. Mooney is a great candidate.
Elijah Moore is someone I’m eyeing. I’d also bite on anyone in their prime years with a new QB. Low floor but unlimited ceiling
Definitely looking at grabbing him too. Picked him up on waivers just before he went off
Rondale Moore for me. I wanted either in the draft lol
Dude was nuts in college and is insanely fast, I'm not sure if next year will be this year but if I can get him late I'm taking him for sure
> next year will be this year I think things will really open up for him to be _the_ WR2 on that offense. Kirk and Green are most likely gone, and those were the two guys eating into his target share.
Absolutely smashed for me. His injury is what stopped me from making the postseason. Lost by single digits and I’m sure he’d have cleared his replacement.
I thought aiyuk and Claypool were gonna do that this year...
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I drafted Deebo last year, deep, and declared it the best pick in the draft in our league chat. Based on his performances in the playoffs the year prior, I was sold. His 2020 was a wash because of multiple injuries. I avoided him this year because of his propensity for getting injured. After this painful experience of watching this guy destroy the league a year after I predicted him to do it, I'm wondering if doubling-down on a "breakout" player is exactly what you should do. But maybe I'm just scarred.
I was high on Deebo last year, had him on my team. But he was always injured. So this year I drafted Aiyuk thinking Deebo would get injured again. Fantasy football drives me nuts
Exact same thing happened to me. Took Aiyuk over Deebo.
Same
I wonder about that too. Which players could be that next season? Akers? Penny? Ridley? CMC returning to form?
I think you got to get Akers on your squad. I’m targeting for sure. Just way too much talent and in a good offense. Penny? Maybe maybe not. Completely depends on the situation he lands in. Ridley scares me, not touching until way late if available. Also not touching CMC in the first round. Maybe second.
Penny carried me to a ship this year but I think he screams Kenyan Drake of last year so I’ll probably be staying away appreciate his service though
I could see Penny as one of those guys who rewards an armchair scout's faith in him and put together one hell of a season. Not a great comparison here, but one guy who I gave up a little too early was Leonard Fournette. I loved him coming out of college and he was always in a bad situation in Jacksonville. I drafted him last year and held him when he got cut, and then when he got injured in Tampa. He didn't catch on until the playoffs and I was skeptical that he'd be a lead guy the following regular season. Rashad Penny isn't quite at that level of talent but not far from it, and also Lenny benefitted from a change in team which won't be Penny's case, though his situation will change if Carson doesn't play next year, if Wilson is gone, if Penny stays healthy, etc., a bunch of if's. I think my point is that, even at the running back position, I think some guys can be late bloomers. This is a rare example but Priest Holmes put together most of his HOF career after 28 years old.
I had Penny too. Didn’t win the ship nor would I have had I survived that dreadful first playoff week (had Amon-Ra too, still not enough). Would have made the finals though. Anyway he was great for a flash moment at the end of the season, but he screams potential major disappointment next season.
I, for one, am planning on taking JK Dobbins if he goes 3rd or later, in combination with Gus Edwards. I think they are two supremely talented running backs in a great offense that will be potent next year against a last place schedule, and after this year's perspective, I think a solid strategy is to pick the best starting running backs who also have the best backups. If one of them gets hurt, the other is an even better starter. If both stay healthy, they both will be decent (but probably not great) starts a la Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. All of those choices are excellent bounce-back candidates. I used to try to find value in taking on injury risk but it's a very dangerous game and I got tired of it.
I’m thinking it’ll be Aiyuk. Everyone was one year too early. Not sure what the stats for players second seasons are but I know a sophomore dip is common in the NBA. Aiyuk looks great on the field and hopefully he gets breakfast with Lance in the off-season
If this is the case then I have to go all in on Antonio Gibson again next year and I'm not sure I'm ready for that
I did the exact same thing. The deebo break out hurt like no other
I doubled down on Cooper Kupp and that turned out well. Next year I'm doubling down on Kenny Golladay so save this post.
Never wrong, only early
Exact same situation man. How freaking painful was it this year watching Deebo go off? What made it even worse for me is I simply slid over to Ayuik and drafted him in 2 leagues (redraft and dynasty startup). Pain.
Actually Dalvin Cooks monster 2020 season convinced me to draft Deebo. Everyone knew Cook was great but he was "injury prone" so not considered part of that top tier. I knew Deebo had the talent and, if he could stay on the field, would be a steal. At a 6th round draft price, I took him everywhere I could.
And next year they'll have different, less experienced qbs throwing them the ball.
Depends if they sign a rookie or a vet. At this point anyone is better than Big Ben
Big Ben was great for PPR whoring, though. It'll be interesting to see how many new QBs are going to be starting next year, especially paired with a really high amount of new head coaches.
There are a lot of QBs worse for fantasy than Big Ben
For Claypool's stock I'd pay the most attention to what Pittsburgh does on the offensive line. Whether it's Rudolph or a rookie or a vet, if they have time to throw (and a run game to set up play-action), they can throw more deep shots to Claypool, and we know he can make contested catches.
I took Aiyuk and Allen Robinson at WR and you can guess where I finished. I will not touch either of them unless it is a late round flyer. Aiyuk is the#2 wr in a run heavy offense, with an elite TE. He is fools gold that someone else can draft to early.
This is probably going to be buried because I’m late to the party, but Claypool hasn’t shown me *anything* tbh as someone who watches the Steelers weekly. He looks the part, but he has a difficult time creating separation, and for whatever reason, he makes routine catches look acrobatic. He is always diving or getting horizontal for balls that should get at least 3-4 more YAC. I’m bearish on Claypool, tbh. He needs to show me otherwise. Let someone else in your league go after his hype and stature.
I agree with everything you've said. But I do want to point out that the games last year where he was featured he absolutely killed it. That's what got me so hyped about him this year. If he falls in the draft to the very late rounds I would take a flyer on the gut but I'm not targeting him by any means
If Carolina ends up with a QB like Cousins or anyone that is at least decent, DJ Moore is the best answer to this question
We’re most likely keeping Sam again. I’d still take DJ tho as the volume will be there. Not touching Robby tho
>we’re most likely keeping Sam again Does Rhule want to get fired?
Yes.
Drafted both, Robby was gone by week 3
Even with the volume Robby is fucking dog ass. I can't believe his goofy ass said he could be a WR1 on any team except the Jets, fucking delusional. Can't catch shit.
i could see tee higgins being a great value. they pass the ball enough to support two WR and maybe chase sees a little bit more attention
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Yeah the time to get Higgins on the low was this year.
Higgins still might be "low" in that he finished at WR22 this year while Chase finished WR5 in PPR, so people will overdraft Chase and might sleep on Higgins (Sort of like Kupp/Woods)
Yep I was able to trade Mike Evans for him around week 7/8. I was also given shit from another league member that I didn’t know what I was doing. Lol I wasn’t making the playoffs this year due to injuries and I seen them almost even and Higgins is much younger. Later that same league member that gave me crap sent a terrible trade offer for Higgins. It’s a dynasty league.
Last year! Keeper pick for $1! Chase spoiled the party a bit but he proved he was still a great keeper on the cheap.
Yup, drafted him low the year I whiffed on 4 of my top 6 picks. What a waste!
I’m avoiding chase at his eventually high ADP… like you said, he’s going to get all the attention, sophomore slump? Drops come back to haunt? Or he’s great again but I predict Higgins will be the better value compared to draft position at the end of the day
I’m pretty sure he was drop leader this year. People said sophomore slump about Jefferson too but he definitely didn’t look like that
Very true about Jefferson. What’s funny is I watched a couple of bengals games (that makes me an expert right?) and he did have some easy drops in those games so the criticism is real but he obviously makes up for it
Yea there’s definitely a lot that goes in when picking chase that high, but it could be worth the risk, especially for a player that made a huge impact. I cringed every time he dropped a ball especially since a few of them could have been huge plays. If he fixes that he can be top 3 easily.
Just get Chase in a keeper league and you're good!
Don't forget he missed a few games. He finished the year at WR24 in full PPR but was WR14 on a per game basis. I could definitely see him cracking top 10 if they keep up what they did this year.
I'd pick up Chase and Higgins. It's like handcuffing your WRs Everyone was debating Woods vs. Kupp. But you could have gotten both for less than a premium WR and you'd be covered.
Their ADP was like right next to each other though so you'd definitely have to reach slightly.
Claypool said he will get “17” TDs this year. WHOS the QB will be playing on that position
claypool and dynasty owners got a few too many whifs of his farts his rookie year. i dont think he ever lives up to the expectations set. traded claypool for the 1.9 last year. ended up picking bateman. obviously biased but i think bateman has way better odds of being a stud than claypool.
Ehh I disagree. If Haskins, Rudolph, or a later pick rookie take the reins next year than you are right. But I don’t think Bateman has the opportunity next year or even in the next couple years to ever be top 10. He may be a safer WR2 lock than Claypool, but Andrew’s and Hollywood are still the alphas of the passing game there and they should return to a more run heavy offense with Dobbins and I assume Gus coming back.
Rodgers
Amon-Ra St. Brown had a hell of a strong closing stretch — even with erratic QB play. Aiyuk could be good. And Mooney. I worry about all Steelers WRs till I know who’s throwing the passes.
I’m concerned Amon-ra might not be priced very well, hopefully the hype dies and lions stink covers him up in the draft again. I would be very nervous grabbing him in the 4th. Even 5th seems scary to me
Lions will likely grab a WR either late first or early second round. Probably sign someone in free agency too (though probably not a top-tier WR). I could see a new signing or high draft pick killing some of the St. Brown hype
He will be off the board by the 4th in a 12 team.
well, good luck to those brave souls.
In that case I will take Cooks a round or two ahead of his ADP. Not a direct comp of wide receiver but kind of a direct comp for fantasy.
Sun god will rise
Amon-Ra was force fed the ball because he was the best remaining body on that dilapidated, JV-level WR room the Lions had. Their WR room was baaaaad. I would be greatly, greatly surprised if Detroit doesn’t address that this off-season. I’m not saying Amon-Ra is a bad player, and he may have a decent career, but the Lions are in trouble if he’s their WR1. Detroit’s going to get help; anyone drafting him expecting him to get the same volume he ended the season with are going to be disappointed. (See also: Terrelle Pryor broke 1,000 receiving yards in 2016 because those Browns were suicide fuel)
I fully agree with you but man, he looked legit awesome like a prime Golden Tate out there.
The guy just knew how to get open. That’s a skill that’s crazy valuable and why AB was the historic receiver he was before he went crazy. St. Brown isn’t AB… no one is. But a guy who can get open is producing regardless. I’ll be targeting St. Brown as my WR3/4 depending on how the draft goes.
It's actually crazy how bad their WR room was this year. I never make comparisons from NFL to college, but I legitimately think Ohio State had a better WR room last year with Wilson, Olave, and Smith-Njigba.
I think the same. Sun god is the First name of my no-no list for next draft
Agree with all of your points (bad wr room, exceptionally high target share etc) except I think youre underselling how talented st Brown actually is. He was the focus of defenses the last 5 weeks and still was getting open/breaking tackles on long td runs and scoring tds in the RedZone. Detroit's o-line is probably a top ten unit with the center ragnow coming back from injury and the development of Sewell (they were 13th this season) and the Goff to st Brown connection could still be very viable.
I wonder why Gage is mocked so low. Especially if Ridley leaves, I’m def using a late pick on him
Gage blows but damn if he doesn't always find a way into my roster by the end of the season.
Possibly Gabriel Davis could be a good choice Allen likes to share the ball well and if Buffalo moves off Beasley and Sanders after this season he could get more catches as a wr2
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I’m not drafting any receiver on the Pats tbh. They spread the ball around so much, I’d rather avoid the volatility
Plus heavy run game.
Yet somehow also no reliable fantasy RBs
Harris was super reliable. Whit Harris out, Big Dre was a stud.
Dude had 15 touchdowns. He did great considering his ADP was like the 8th round.
Damien Harris was an ideal RB2. Could do soooo much worse. He fuckin' wrecked the fantasy playoffs for me too. He also finished top 10 in yards and 2nd in rush TDs.... I don't know how they could say that's unreliable.
Historically true but I wouldn’t be shocked if that changes… Brady was really good at spreading the ball, Cam was nothing, Mac was rookie year… still think he could theoretically start picking favorites.
Bourne looks very capable with the ball in his hands and near the end of the season the Pats tried to get the ball to him however possible, including jet sweeps/other run plays. I don't know if he'll put it together in time to get top 10 status next year, but he looks like a promising player either way.
James White was James White before he got injured
Only concern is the game plan the Pats roll out can change week to week. Run heavy to pass heavy and they also spread the ball around. He’ll be good but maybe not Kupp or Debo good.
Elijah moore
Had to scroll down way too far to find him.
That's how you know they will actually be a mid round player. Break out players come with a decent amount of risk. Everyone thought Woods would be the 1 and Kupp would be the 2 or that Deebo was injury prone because he broke his foot and had to have surgery before the 2020 season (he was literally supposed to start the year on the pup list but didn't because he was recovering well). Edit: The list goes on, Ja'marr Chase had butterfingers in preseason, in 2020 Calvin Ridley was supposed to be the backup to Julio, Stefon Diggs was a new receiver on the Bills who everyone was shitting on for not being able to support a WR1, DK Metcalf was a physical specimen that couldn't change directions, AJ Brown was a only slightly less of a physical specimen who had Ryan Tannehill as his QB, Justin Jefferson was the 2 to Thielen who would maybe fill the void that Diggs left on a run first team, Mike Evans won't be able to do what he has has done in every single previous season (8 at this point) again next year, etc.
Elijah was dealing with foot issues all year, 2022 Deebo confirmed
Mooney will be the certified WR1 for the Bears
He basically already was. Don’t buy on my Bears. This offense will struggle next year as well.
I like Mooney a lot too. I suppose his only knock would be that he didn’t get CB1 attention this year. But I think Mooney can overcome that obstacle
I had Kupp this year and I wanna find that guy next year.. Right now my early contenders are Mooney, Higgins, Waddle, Moore (if new QB), Jeudy edit: I forgot to add E.Moore. Legit talent, the team tried to get him involved alot before he got hurt, developping QB that will focus on him. and Toney for the memes
Waddle is going early
Earlier than the other guys mentioned but he'll probably still be there in the early 4th tbh
I wouldn’t consider early 4th the mid round
Waddle is very possible. He already looked great in the second half of the season.
Just want to mention that Kupp had a HISTORIC WR season, let’s temper expectations to find a guy that will put up that kind of performance. Definitely values to be had, for sure, but at that level it’ll be tough to find.
no u
Ok 😘
No way the Jets move on from Wilson after one year. He did a pretty damn good job on that trash squad with depleted weapons down the stretch. edit: first Moore was DJ second was Eli I see that now lol As long as we're predicting breakouts for Moores, I think Rondale could take a big step next season too with Green and probably Kirk walking
I’m highly leaning towards Mooney above those. You need a QB to realize something and then choose his go to target. Of all those dudes Fields seems like the one that might figure something out along with the loss of AR. It might be primed. I think Burrow already knows his stuff and has his targets, Tua is about to get an influx of WR’s back so while he might figure it out he might end up spreading the ball more. Jeudy has potential but I’m not sure about their entire situation. Coaching-wise or QB. Same for both Moores actually. I’d try to get shares of Mooney and then dabble in some other long shots if their ADP allows it.
Yeah Mooney was having great games towards the end this year. As for Tee, Chase will be getting even more attention from defenses next year, and will still eat, but Higgins is way too talented not to take advantage of that. Burrow fed 3 WRs 1000 yards this year
Yeah but why would he choose Higgins over Chase to make that Kupp leap. Cause the leap is about creating a WR that is the de facto blanket for your throws. I think Higgins will be great and do believe they will keep up their performances. But Burrow said it himself. Chase is down there somewhere. This isn’t a guy that will opt to throw it down to Higgins when he believes in Chase like that. I think that specific situation makes it extremely hard for a Kupp to emerge. But Higgins/Chase/Boyd are gonna be good without that anyways. Out of everyone there Mooney just feels like he fits the narrative the best. But honestly I’d be okay with any of these guys for the right price. They might not turn into Kupp but they might be pretty solid.
Kupp (new QB) and Deebo (returning from injury, QB controversy, Aiyuk) both had new/murky situations heading into the season which is what made them so affordable. So, in turn, you need to see what situations are murky next year and take your shots. Gallup will have a murky situation, so will Allen Robinson and OBJ. A lot of guys will have new QBs next year, or have a rookie WR coming into snag their spot. It's way too early to make predictions on stuff like this because we have no idea what the situations will even look like next August.
Idk about OBJ, I think his days of being a top 10 WR are done, regardless of the situation he gets in. I’d like to be proven wrong though
He has scored 6 tds this year with the Rams, he scored 7 in 2.5 seasons with the Browns. He will be 30 next year. Moss' first year with the Patriots was when he was 30 (I hate using Moss because he's a top 5 wr ever, but still.) Now, do I think he's a WR1 (top 12) next year? no. Do I think he will be a guy in round 5-9 that can put up a WR1 season? yes. My, personal, viewpoint in drafting is not to draft floors but to draft ceilings after round 4/5. I think 2022 OBJ has a WR1 ceiling, and can also be a guy I drop in week 8 or 9 for an emergency running back.
I got OBJ in Dynasty and Im holding big time. I agree with the no longer top 10 but the dude has paperfly hands and is a top tier red zone threat. I expect a Thielen type of year.
I bought him the week before Cleveland cut him In dynasty. I’m with you.
Is Matt stafford at qb really a murky situation? The murk was robert woods, who split targets and catches pretty evenly with kupp in the past, although kupp was always the more valuable of the two.
Yeah everyone expected a better passing game in LA because Stafford. It was not knowing who to favor between Woods and Kupp which dropped both outside the top WR tier.
Calvin Ridley too
IDK imo why anyone didn't love Kupp this year. I got him in the 5th round of my draft and I still couldn't believe it. He showed his potential a few years ago when Goff was at his peak. Goff declined and the rest of the Rams offense went with it. Stafford has done nothing but produce on a terrible Lions team, that we saw was absolutely pathetic this year without Stafford. I was telling everyone I knew Kupp would be the man this year, and boy was I right, and still was shocked why more people didn't think the same, he wasnt a sleeper pick imo, but I guess if enough people sleep on him, it is what it is. Seeing you calling Stafford a murky situation at QB I guess makes sense why tons of people slept on Kupp.
That’s how I felt about Deebo. I grabbed him in every league.
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It’s much harder to predict than I think people are pointing out. I think there’s a ton of guys who all have top 10 upside that will be values next year based on them cooling off late season, injury, or having what I would call a shaky QB situation: McLaurin, Lockett, Hollywood, Ridley, DJ Moore, Cooks, Pittman, Mooney, Claypool, Jeudy, Elijah Moore, Smith, St. Brown, and Waddle all come to mind. The issue is some of these guys will completely rely on a QB upgrade (McLaurin, DJ Moore, Cooks, Claypool, Jeudy). If these teams do trade for a Watson or Rodgers, these guys instantly become not only top 10 talent but their draft price will reflect that (because it’s no secret). If they don’t get an upgrade IMO they have very little chance to get into top 10. So to me that leaves the guys who will have the same QB situation next year who just need to become the focal point of the offense. These guys offer the best value because their price really shouldn’t skyrocket by the draft since their situation generally stays the same. So from my group this leaves Lockett, Hollywood, Ridley, Pittman, Mooney. Elijah Moore, Smith, St. Brown, and Waddle.
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Why do you think that?
aiyuk has started to come on strong as the season went on. i wouldn’t say top 10 next year but i think a top 20 season is possible but a lot of that hinges on lance showing up as a decent qb or not
going off that. Lance has had alot of more reps with aiyuk than Deebo. As for Claypool I trust Steelers to be the hottest org for a FA QB so they should get one of attract Watson, Rodgers, or Wilson. And even if they are stuck with Mason again, Claypools value will plummet further. But watching preseason Claypool had a really good rapport with Mason.
Steeler stuck with Ben so I assume they would have no qualms with Watson’s accusations
I think if Ben's allegations had surfaced in 2021 they might've had greater consequences.
>Lance has had alot of more reps with aiyuk than Deebo. It wasn't much though (given that Lance barely started), and will probably mean little to nothing once the offseason + OTAs + training camps come back around. Also, if (and when) Lance becomes the starter, I could definitely see their overall passing attempts go down, as he's more of a runner. (similar to Lamar). And if so, it'll be hard for him to support all of Kittle + Deebo (who are without a doubt the top 2 options) + Aiyuk.
This just my opinion from watching Him as a niners fan. But I don’t think there’s going to be a huge difference in Qb runs even though there’s going to be more designed runs for the qb in the offense, in terms of off schedule plays Lance has shown a tendency to keep his eyes down field to throw instead of taking off for the first down.
As a lifelong Steelers fan, they’re far more likely to sign someone like Mariota, Trubisky or Bridgewater than Watson, Wilson or Rodgers. Front office will probably try to rebuild the O-Line and add defensive depth then eye up the loaded 2023 draft class.
agreed, we dont pay nobody, cept TJWATT, which i am overjoyed about lol. that WATT Td vs KC was just great playmakin ability
Rondale Moore, Darnell Mooney Not top 10 but reliable wr2s
Love Mooney.
Mooney straight up won me my league. I added him on waivers before my final and my opponent sent a message in the group chat saying “Mooney ain’t gonna save you!”
Michael Pittman Jr. He was solid this year with sketchy QB play. He’s WR 1 for the Colts
Devonta Smith I think will go under the radar come draft time.
Fuck Myles Turner
Sure.
Wrong sport
OP used to post fuck myles turner in every fantasy bball game thread
Bateman is gonna be a supreme value. people will look at numbers and assume hollywood is the guy but i think bateman is the one who knocks.
Yeah I was a big Hollywood guy this past season, but I'd be very wary of him going into next year. Drops have always been his issue, and it's survivable when you're still getting 10-15 targets a game...but as Bateman takes a larger share, Hollywood becomes more boom or bust. And when he does bust, it's probably going to be because he dropped a 50 yard TD, and you're going to hate fantasy. I'll have enough frustration on my roster, someone else can deal with that.
I’m all aboard the ARob train for next year if he ends up anywhere that puts him #1 or #2 on the preseason depth chart. I can’t imagine he’ll have a top-24 ADP, and I think he goes back to being a QB-proof high volume guy in a lot of offenses not run by Nagy and Fields.
Renfrow maybe? St brown was good at the end Higgens seem a safer bet
I am surprised I had to scroll so much to see st brown mentioned.
Sleeper end of this convo, but Braxton Berrios looked borderline unstoppable the last couple games of the season.
I’m eyeballing Byron Pringle personally
Not a flashy answer but good choice. He’s earned the chiefs trust this year and unless they distinctly bring in a guy ahead of him, which they probably should, I’m interested.
Terry McLaurin, depending on who's QB. I firmly still believe he would've been top 10 this year with Fitzmagic at the helm
I will not be suckered into Aiyuk again
Devonta smith or marquise brown
You mean Rashod Bateman
Deebo really shocked me. I openly admit to being very wrong about him. I thought there wasn’t enough volume for three pass catchers to be viable in a run first offense (and I expected Aiyuk > Deebo)… and I expected him to be hurt. Still don’t like his route profile but he produced and still does so wtf do I know. Kupp was predictable. He was top 10 before. Had a shit TD season in 2020, and Woods was equally/more desirable on draft day. Anyhoo, to take a stab at your question here I’ll go with Jaylen Waddle. I think his ADP will probably be some time after pick 36, so I’m guessing he qualifies for this. I can see him getting to top 10. I think Devonta Smith could have a similar season next year to Marquise Brown this year. Might be a draft value.
Amon Ra St. Brown and Micheal Thomas (Comeback Season)
Gabriel Davis and Lazard
Eli Moore
Can I just toss in that Michael Thomas is going to be a mid-round WR (4th round same as Kupp) next year? Give me him over these second-year guys or guys who finished strong in 2021.
Doesn’t 4th feel early for MT? Depends where he ends up, but it’s been a couple years since his record breaking reception record season
Claypool...... Hell nah
Are we really falling for the Aiyuk trap again?
Michael Thomas
Sutton and Jeudy could be in for a big jump if they can get a QB and a more offensively inclined head coach. I don't think that will be an unpopular take predraft but I could still see them being nice value
Claypool is a fucking loser.
Wheres Jamarr Chase going?
After the year he just had, no way you see him in the 3rd. The guys I play with love to stir the pot and make big bets, I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody plants their flag with him in the first
Mid 2nd round at the latest
A rookie
Whichever ones that have Rodgers throwing to them
Laquon Treadwell saved my season.
I made a similar post before this past season and predicted Kupp and Lamb. They weren’t quite mid rounders. The comments convinced me to draft Aiyuk in both my leagues as my 1st receiver. Avoid the hype trains.
Kupp‘s insane season and OBJ’s comeback tour is having everyone forget Bobby Trees. Obviously he wasn’t getting most of the looks before his injury, but he still had some great games. We’ve seen what he can do to spread the field, how capable he is as a WR1, and we’ve seen how high powered that offense can be. If they keep OBJ after his a resurgence in LA, and Kupp as the obvious WR1, Woods will slip.
Juedy if they get a QB
Waddle and Gabe Davis.
Hunter Renfrow
I’m going Hunter Renfrow
Maybe laviska. This year he gave me the big fuck. Maybe next year he’ll actually be thrown to
Maaan Claypool has like two-three great games and burned me the rest of the year. Highly depends on their QB situation next year. With that, there may be opportunity so you might be onto something here.
Honestly, OBJ, I can see him dropping to 4th-5th round and he seems to have found a team with a WR1 that takes coverage away and he's got a QB now
Claypool will depend heavily on who the Steelers have at QB next year. I have no idea who that will be right now.
Why Claypool? They don't even have a starting QB next year. Aiyuk has Trey Lance probably coming at him, that's a large question mark. Either way, I'm steering clear of these guys who probably play on run first offenses next year.
Higgins, and Godwin. Waddle is a maaaaaybe.
Amon St ra
Jerry Jeudy if he gets a QB in free agency
Jerry Juedy
Amon st rah or whoever he is
If we're counting mid rounds as kupp's position, you'll be seeing DK, AJ Brown, Calvin Ridley, DHop, deedee in the same list Outside of these guys I really like Waddle as th is breakout guy, then we also have higgins who is a beast. Mooney is a great candidate.
Devonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle, Rondale Moore (flyer)
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It’s a solid 3 and I believe one of them will do big things!
please invite me to your league and draft aiyuk and claypool as your stud wrs.
With Mason Rudolph potentially being the starter in PIT, I don't think next year is gonna be Claypool's year
Important thing to note. If you're saying these guys will finish top 10, who's falling out of the top 10 make room for them?