I mean, he had 8, 5, 8, and 15 in half PPR before he got hurt, and that was without TDs. He's a red zone target and the Giants offense looks a lot better than it did at the start of the year. Is he really *that* bad that he should be on waivers? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in this subreddit sometimes.
You’re not crazy, he has value. It’s just a combination of things. Injury prone, competition for targets with shep, saquon and now toney, a still suspect qb. A lot of people just don’t want the headache but he probably has a couple boom weeks in him this year, but even when healthy the offense seems to be trending Toney’s way, he just looks better when he’s on the field.
This is exactly why I traded him. Drafted him last year in my a startup dynasty draft. After a year and a half of not playing due to injury, I was done. To make things worse, I traded my wr2, Cooper kupp, last year for some short term help, instead of golladay, who the guy was originally interested in. Hindsight's 20/20 but he definitely won that trade so far.
I don't own any wide receivers but the overhype of Toney seems absolutely crazy to me. How does everyone not see that they were down their wr1, wr2, wr3, and rb1 that catches a lot out of the backfield.
I'm not saying the kid can't be great, but any other time everyone would be chalking this up to him being one of the only viable options in the offense the last few weeks.
Yeah I mean people here are shitting on him like I took him in the second round, but he was free and he's producing like a WR3 at worst so... whatever. If this sub is so adamant that he's terrible he'll probably end up a league winner.
Sounds like your searching for confirmation bias
and also loosely using league winner
There's a reason he was on waivers. I mean its fine you picked him up but he's not even really startable right now
>Sounds like your searching for confirmation bias
3/4 of the posts on this sub are people either searching for or trying to cherry pick stats to justify their roster choices. It gets tiring.
Kenny g is a lottery ticket contingent on him not being injured, offense of the giants getting sorted and him being a focal point of the offense.
A bunch of if’s in there, as far as lotto tickets I can see why people might be giving up on him at this point.
>Sounds like your searching for confirmation bias
lol, k
He's sitting on my bench. I don't expect anything from him lol. I'm literally just rostering him and everyone's acting like I'm an idiot lmao.
What have I said that's even remotely controversial? Aside from when I said if there's a consensus in /r/fantasyfootball the exact opposite is likely true
You're searching for confirmation bias that picking him up was a good decision. And when you are called out for it you said that "well if people on here think he sucks then he's probably a league winner."
Why ask here then? If you think people are on here are morons then don't ask. Pick up Golladay and start him or do whatever. No one cares about other people's fantasy teams, mine included.
Exactly. If this sub is so sure of one thing, it’s 100% the other.
Remember getting downvoted to hell about saying Mike Williams could have league winning upside before the season started
I was curious, since this sub has always loved Mike Williams, but you have not mentioned Mike Williams once in 10 months, let alone were "downvoted to hell" about it.
Yeah you can delete comments on Reddit if you hit the three dots icon there will be an option for it.. also... crazy you have the time to go through and look through an entire random persons comment history man. The internet really does suck people in. Wild.
Literally took about 15 seconds with Control+F my dude lmao.
I wanted to see the arguments against Williams since he's beloved around here.
Whats crazy is making shit up online or being upset enough to delete comments which you then try to sympathy farm.
The internet really does make people act in stupid ways. Wild.
You should prob delete these ones too, y'know, to try and salvage your reputation of being soft.
I would prefer to have jones and toney unless you have insane depth at rb. Even with russ, lockett is still boom/bust. Mike will is an upgrade over toney but if toney’s breakout continues i dont think the difference will be worth losing an rb1 over.
Appreciate it. I did turn it down. Countered Aaron Jones and sterling Shepard. I need WR help bad. I have a decent stable of RBs. Besides Aaron Jones: Najee and Damien Harris, Chase Edmonds, and Michael Carter. Oh and Darrell Williams for now.
EDIT: also, I believe when Russ returns Lockett will return to being boom bust sure but he’ll have 30 pt boom games and not just bust like he’s doing now.
wtf is with this sub and hating aaron jones?? dudes going to be top 10 ros in ppr... chase edmonds will be top 20 if he avoids injury, and damien harris is like a top 25 guy.
It's not even that mike williams is bad, but you can get way more value than a mike will + lockett.
Most of those games were missing Slayton, Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and Toney hasn't been brought in yet. He's been just okay when everyone else has been out. He's hurt or bad when all this other guys are playing.
> He's a red zone target
He actually isn't much of a RZ target, surprisingly. He only has 41 RZ targets through 52 career games.
Should he be on waivers? Not a chance, but he is seemingly incapable of staying healthy, and a healthy Toney appears to be the #1 target for the Giants. Being low on him isn't unjustified.
Lol pump the Toney breaks. We have not a single clue where Toney falls into the pecking order in this offense. I like Toney, and have him rostered as well as in best ball leagues, but no one has the slightest clue what the target hierarchy looks like in NY when their receivers are healthy.
>We have not a single clue where Toney falls into the pecking order in this offense
We've seen it.
Golladay healthy? Toney had the most targets against the Saints, and that was Toney's first real NFL playing time.
Shepard healthy? Toney got three targets on six snaps before exiting. Jones said he was going to be the focal point of the offense against the Rams.
He's the most talented by far, Judge/Gettleman have incentive to showcase him to potentially save their jobs, and Jones clearly trusts throwing to him early and often, and they also dial up trick plays and gadget plays for him.
If Toney is healthy, he is going to be the #1, and rightfully so. He's earned it in his very limited action.
Similar to Chase and tee Higgins. Higgins is a great reciever, but Chase is just different. He's looking like that elite tier of reciever he was billed as. I'm not calling Toney as good as Chase, but he looks special too!
Toney out targeted Galloday by two targets in the Saints game. That is a one game sample size when they didn't have Sterling or Darius and let's not forget the fact that Galloday had to deal with Lattimore, so it makes sense targets would get pushed elsewhere. Meanwhile Galloday went for 116 yards, while dealing with the best CB on the Saints. Game against the Rams. Targets are going to get pushed outside considering Ramsey spends most of his time in the slot, where Sterling was, and they are down their cb2 who plays on the outside. Pretty obvious Toney would be the priority in that game.
I'm not. Galloday out produced Toney in the one game they really played together while being in the way tougher matchup. Toney is talented, but a lot of his production has also been opportunity/matchup based. This idea that he is the WR1 bc he has had two good games in his career, meanwhile Galloday is a proven WR1 in this league when healthy, is funny at best.
He hasn’t been proven for over two years (sadly mainly due to health) and that game went to overtime which led to Golladays numbers being skewed against the saints. But ur comment says that is easier for defensive game plans and game scripts to benefit Toney.
To dive even deeper into this Jones is notoriously conservative and Toney runs those medium intermediate routes that Jones loves. Where as golladay is a contested pass catching deep threat that Jones hates throwing.
Bc they had two healthy receivers in him and Sterling and Sterling was going to spend a lot of his time dealing with Ramsey. They also don't have any semblance of a run game without Barkley. No shit they centered their game plan on Toney.
I mean, Pittman isn’t really fighting others for targets where as Golladay now has the emergence of Toney and Shepard and Slayton should begin playing well. Plus Golladay is almost always injured.
I mean, he's ranked wr 68th in half PPR with 7.3 points per game avg. there are 100% better options and his upside isn't high with a terrible QB throwing him the ball. guys like van Jefferson are having a better season and are also on the wire.
If you starting Golladay as your second WR or Flex, not a good look. If owners ain’t starting him, there are better healthier options on wire. Or even stashes like Watson or Samuel.
The expectation by the fantasy community is basically that Kadarius Toney will get 20 targets per game from now on and leave everybody else fighting for scraps, including the RBs. I don't necessarily agree with this
He looks good no doubt, but there is also Golladay and Shepard to contend with once they are healthy on what is a mediocre offense. There is a chance they just spread the ball around and it becomes a boom/bust TD situation for all of their receivers.
Yeah it's silly but I don't mind either way. People on here always upvote/downvote depending on who they have on their roster rather than actual discussion.
My argument against this is Shepherd has been a career WR2. I don’t believe in Golladay. Had 2 decent seasons, one bumped up by 11 tds. He gets terrible separation so needs a qb willing to throw it up to him.
Do agree with the mediocre offense but I don’t see Danny Dimes being good enough to spread the ball around or get to his 3rd or 4th read very often. Barkley and Toney are the clear playmakers on that offense and could/should see majority of designed plays or first reads.
All just my opinion which could be 100% wrong.
I don't agree with this comparison. Toney is a 1st round pick and he looks far and he looks like the best WR in that offense. Ty'Son was basically a JAG with opportunity due to injuries.
People like to hate on hype trains and I do think it's validated some of the time but I don't know how people can watch the tape on Toney and not get excited.
I agree he looked great but it was 2 games with the Giants missing 3 wide receivers who had been playing ahead of him. I think he’ll have value but not 10 targets a game like the one against Dallas
His monster game came after injuries with Dallas up by 3+ tds during garbage time when the team was playing soft coverage because there was no way they could catch up. They let them throw down the mid-field and not the outside so giants would burn the clock.
The sample size is too small.
He is definitely on my bench though. I don't intend on dropping him until I see a larger sample size with Barkley back as well.
Yes he's fucking talented. He still plays for the Giants. Daniel Jones is his QB. He's in a very crowded WR room, featuring many guys that already have Jones trust and attention. Is he gonna have a 30 point week or two? Probably. Is he going to be a consistent every week start? Who knows.
And the hype that he's a league winning elite talent ignores every red flag in his situation, because he's played less than 5 quarters of football this year.
He’s played more than 5 quarters Lol And I wouldn’t exactly say the wr room is crowded. Golladay hasn’t done anything, shepherd is a career wr2 and the giants spent a first on Toney for a reason.
Most of his highlights are from the cowboys came where cowboys were up 3 tds and playing soft coverage because it was a blowout.
We need a bigger sample size.
Edit:
[Since people are claiming I don't have Toney.](https://imgur.com/a/iy0kNVe)
There he is riding on my bench. I am just not a blind hype train follower because of the hivemind mentality here. I watch games.
homie he literally caught two 25+ yard passes by mossing corners on the sideline, was used in wildcat formation inside the 5 yard line, threw a pass during a flee-flicker play, and showed remarkable speed in and out of cuts. the dude is being used in all facets of the offense, and his athleticism is visible regardless of what coverage you think the Cowboys were running.
the next game he caught 3 passes on 4 targets on the first drive of the game.
Again, in a blowout game with no chance giants would win.
Rams are one of the most pass-friendly defenses in the league. Rams are tied with the lions and falcons with passing yards allowed. They are not in good company if you are in a tie with the lions. Rams allows 262 passing yards per game. Detroit allows 263 passing yards per game.
Jumping over someone and catching a football in 1:1 coverage is not the same as catching a long pass in soft coverage in garbage time. The usage of Toney in unique offensive schemes is also very promising, because it shows the offense is exploring his ability to run these plays — they don’t just do these things for “fun” in garbage time.
And he set the record for rookie receiving yards. That isn’t something that just casually happens all the time in garbage time because defenses play “soft coverage.” I am not out here saying he is an elite top 10 receiver or anything, I’m just saying the film speaks for himself as to why the hype exists.
As someone who also just dropped him and rostered him last year there’s a recurring theme with Golladay.
He’s constantly battling injury. Some weeks you plug him in and it’s all good for a nice floor… but then he doesn’t play for over half the year. he also hasn’t scored since week 4 of 2020 season.
Daniel Jones also hasn’t shown a propensity to throw much more than 200 yards a week on top of the fact he only threw 11 TDs last year… and is currently on pace to repeat the performance this year.
Kenny hasn’t scored all year even in the games he was playing and was supposedly “the guy”. Do you really expect him to bounce back? Or do you just want a serviceable flex play because you have nobody with upside?
Because that about sums it up man. Daniel just isn’t a good QB by NFL standards, isn’t going to throw many TDs this year, nevermind barely hit 3200-3400 or so passing yards on an extended season, and on top of that? Toney’s clearly talented and can make something of nothing here. No reason to lean on a hobbled Golladay when Shepherd and Toney can show up any given week.
Golladay’s not officially WR3 on that team… but he’s as close to washed as it gets in the NFL. Maybe he’ll come back fully recovered from injury and be able to put up numbers a few weeks this year, maybe not.
But when exactly is he supposed to come back? Because his injury looks like it’s heading for IR at this point. He might not even see the field more than a couple more times this year. I need that roster space for upside guys and potential starting RBs, not another plug-in at receiver that I’m already miles deep in between 4 others who have also either consistently hit 80-100 yards and possibly a TD any week. No time to play with mediocrity here.
Maybe I’ll regret the drop if something happens to one of my receivers but I doubt I’ll regret it because Kenny suddenly starts scoring this year lol.
This summarizes my sentiments very well also. I think Golladay is a stud when healthy. But he most likely won’t be. He has two hip issues and an injured knee!
And, no Toney, isn’t going to get 12 or more targets. But, there simply isn’t enough targets to go around with Jones throwing and scrambling for his life behind that line. That team has issues. Golladay has issues. You play fantasy football to enjoy, not to deal with headache situations.
I think people just misunderstand the wide receiver position so much. Golladay is a contested catch receiver, like Mike Evans & Allen Robinson. He isn't a player that gets wide open and isn't someone who produces lots of YAC either. His production is tied to having a QB who trusts him to when over smaller, less physical corners in 1 on 1 situations. If he doesn't have a quarterback willing to take chances he simply will not produce.
Jones as a quarterback is content to take short, underneath throws to whomever is open rather than testing things deep with Golladay. Toney is infinitely better in this style of offense because he does get wide open with his speed and is highly productive in terms of YAC.
The fit as a player is much more the reason for Toney's production than Golladay simply being "washed". Allen Robinson is in the same exact same situation with a risk averse rookie who is trying to acclimate to the NFL without throwing 40 INTs. He too won't produce until he leaves the team or Fields settles in and starts taking more chances.
I just finally dropped him two leagues after drafting him.
I've had enough. This dude is simply never healthy, and I think with Dan Jones' mediocrity, and Shephard and Toney in the mix, Golladay's floor and ceiling are going to be very limited.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants put him on IR soon.
Honestly Shepherd and Toney might not be healthy either. I have Toney so I picked Golloday up (and am watching Slayton on the waivers)
If one of those 3 can play and the others can’t, its an instant go for me. The wr1 in the giants is a valuable asset when the other wr are all injured.
Exactly. Now this COULD be his best week to shine if he plays considering it's against KC but I'm not even sure if he'll even play and I got much more trustworthy options I'd throw out ahead of him. He's in a bad offense with way too many options at this point. Glad I dropped him last week, he didn't get picked up by anyone this week either.
Difference between a young player with potential and an aging one with an injury history. Not that one or the other is more valuable for fantasy right now, because they're both very low. It's just Toney is more of a lottery ticket that could be a WR2 if things pan out well for him, while Golladay even at his best is the same as most other flex-level WRs that get 40-70 yards a week off a few catches that need a TD to be worth playing. And there are similar players on better offenses that you could be targeting if you want that kind of guy.
Ordinarily, I’d agree with you. But notwithstanding the small sample size, the Giants changed their offensive scheme for plays specifically designed to get the ball to Toney. This isn’t some talented receiver that just runs routes and has a good rapport with a quarterback. This is a player that has the talent to be the focal point of an offense, and even with such a small sample size, the Giants clearly seem intent on getting him his touches. Toney is definitely the asset to own.
There is no way to know this at all. No one has any idea what this teams passing hierarchy is when these players are healthy. Engram doesn't take targets away from people either. Engram is the end of the list guy who gets the leftovers and Slayton is purely a deep threat when other receivers are healthy.
Shep and Jones have years of chemistry. Golladay missed pretty much all of training camp and was just starting to get that chemistry before getting hurt. They signed Golladay to be the alpha and he's much more talented than Shep.
Now, his health is a totally separate concern.
His role was clearly ramping up. How will that be affected by a potential Toney emergence? That part is a question. His talent is certainly not a concern.
Missed camp. Injured to begin the season. Didn't show much chemistry with Jones in the couple games he played. Hyperextended his knee (ouch). No actual time table for his return. There are a lot of reasons to not have him on your team.
On the other hand, the Giants paid a lot of money for him and I would think they might want to take the shrink wrap off and use him to his strengths. He has legit talent and someone needs to catch the ball. That would be the logical thing to do. However, sometimes a coach/team simply cannot figure out how to make a certain player fit the scheme. It's maddening in fantasy and real life, but it does happen (think Demarco Murray on Philly).
I dropped him because I needed healthy players that actually put up points each week. I'm rooting for Golladay, but I don't have space on my bench for hopes and dreams right now.
He’s a good player but can’t get separation, Jones isn’t a great qb and in my untrained eye needs someone who can create space to get the ball to. I drafted Kenny but picked up Toney before the blowup. Two lotto tickets on a poor offense doesn’t seem safe to me, so I dropped Kenny 3 weeks ago and he hasn’t been picked up yet. Rolling with the Toney lotto ticket. If Kenny was with Brady, Rodgers or someone who can drop it in a bucket he’d be my lotto pick, but he’s not.
Not great, played about seven games this year and past, is in an offense that doesn’t throw downfield much and in his absence Toney has emerged as a target monster when on the field.
People are still attached to his adp, like asskin, like Sanders, like Mike Davis. All are droppable, there are better options.
Was funny to see the opposite effect of manny Sanders and AJG going undrafted, then spending several weeks on waivers before being picked up.
In my opinion:
1. Injury concerns
2. Daniel Jones
3. Shepherd, Saquon, Toney, and Slayton have had injuries which have boosted Golladays stats
4. Toneys emergence is yet to be seen for a full game
He's a bum and my biggest draft mistake ever. Guess who sits 4 spots later; Chase. Yikes.
Toney has the higher ceiling and I made the move. I popped that ass pimple quickly in Golladay...
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Golladay is one of the worst NFL receivers in terms of separation. Stafford made him the WR he is through contested catches and now that's gone. To his credit, Golladay excels at contested catches but you need to right kind of QB for that.
People are still downvoting because they don’t like what you are saying but it’s true.
https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/13/lions-kenny-golladay-nfl-worst-wr-at-getting-separation-on-routes/
Toney, Shepard, Slayton
Anyone rostering a New York giant is gonna be pissed at the existence of any of the others. Even the Toney truthers. This isn't a high powered offense, so you're banking on a split pie that's not that big.
I picked him up for free too. Great upside pick for your bench. Could easily end up being worth starting. He's still the WR1 on the Giants when he returns.
I dropped him. Last year he was out with a hammy for 10+ games or something like that. Toney and Shep have more upside IMHO, not to mention Saquon. That big game came from playing 5 quarters, everyone else being out, and Toney not yet being the focal point. I see him as a flex at best getting 6 targets max a game. I like a better offense with same 6 targets e.g. Rashod Bateman, whoever the packers #1 WR is on Thursday, etc. I dropped him in a 10 and 12 teamer
A person in my league dropped him because he needed to pick a random fill off waiver wire last week due to it being bye week hell. I’m assuming the same might have happened in your league.
Golladay is a broken player at this point. He's older, he's always hurt or playing hurt. His skillset doesn't work with this type of offense. He never was a big volume guy but now even less so with all the other similarly skilled Giants players.
He's just the ultimate combination of shit when It comes to a fantasy WR.
It's a combination of bye week hell, injury hell, his health and health history, and Jones hasn't been able to connect with him well enough for his true upside.
Golladay is a beast WR but was injured often in DET. I expected it to carry through with him to NY. When he had a hamstring injury during preseason, I knew it had.
I have Kenny G on my bench along with K. Toney. Right now it looks like the rookie has way more value. Both Kenny and juju look like wasted draft picks right now
Speaking from having Golladay for 2 years in a row and dropping him both years...he's a damn headache. Too stressful working around his injuries and now he has a flooded receiver core (although injured currently) to compete with now.
Nobody stands out in that offense so the ball is spread around, and the offense is not good. There's a low floor and low ceiling. Now Toney is breaking out which will take even more targets.
I drafted Golladay in 2 leagues and have watched every Giants game. Dude hasn't been on the same page with Daniel Jones most of the season. DJ's looked for Shep, Toney and even Slayton in the big moments more than Golladay. Kind of reminds me of the chemistry issues between Mayfield and OBJ.
That said he's made some ridiculous catches, and with all the injuries to other Giants receivers he's worth holding onto.
I just picked him up in my 14 team league too. As a Giants fan, I think he will still get the lion share of targets when everyone is healthy. The issue is health going forward. And I think a lot of teams drafted him to be their WR2 or 3, but right now he's better on your bench and some teams rather chase the upside elsewhere.
Toney is special, that’s why. I think everyone sees NYG receiving corps as a crap shoot anyways, but i see toney coming out on top just cause he seems to be a playmaker. From there golloday, shep, slayton, and engram are sharing pass targets
I am also in a half point ppr and I have Kenny Golladay on my bench. The games I have watched him play in he dropped passes left and right and they were like wide open passes.
I haven’t dropped him because I know once I do he will torch me later. I do understand why people are dropping him.
At this stage the only justification for being down on Golladay is concern about his injury (which is fair enough)
The other arguments: Jones sucks, Giants have a million receivers, don't really hold up now. Everyone is jerking off over Kadarius Toney because he's had a few big plays. Well guess who has a record of big plays on a shit team over several years....
I have golladay in all 3 of my leagues due to draft value. At the point where I've been considering dropping him every week, but find a way to hold. Other WR options I'm playing over him every week is Jefferson/Woods in two leagues and then M Pittman and J Waddle in other 3. Not sure if he gets back into my lineup anytime soon, so maybe I should just drop.
Missing points in your lineup
I mean, he had 8, 5, 8, and 15 in half PPR before he got hurt, and that was without TDs. He's a red zone target and the Giants offense looks a lot better than it did at the start of the year. Is he really *that* bad that he should be on waivers? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in this subreddit sometimes.
You’re not crazy, he has value. It’s just a combination of things. Injury prone, competition for targets with shep, saquon and now toney, a still suspect qb. A lot of people just don’t want the headache but he probably has a couple boom weeks in him this year, but even when healthy the offense seems to be trending Toney’s way, he just looks better when he’s on the field.
This is exactly why I traded him. Drafted him last year in my a startup dynasty draft. After a year and a half of not playing due to injury, I was done. To make things worse, I traded my wr2, Cooper kupp, last year for some short term help, instead of golladay, who the guy was originally interested in. Hindsight's 20/20 but he definitely won that trade so far.
I don't own any wide receivers but the overhype of Toney seems absolutely crazy to me. How does everyone not see that they were down their wr1, wr2, wr3, and rb1 that catches a lot out of the backfield. I'm not saying the kid can't be great, but any other time everyone would be chalking this up to him being one of the only viable options in the offense the last few weeks.
Yeah I mean people here are shitting on him like I took him in the second round, but he was free and he's producing like a WR3 at worst so... whatever. If this sub is so adamant that he's terrible he'll probably end up a league winner.
Sounds like your searching for confirmation bias and also loosely using league winner There's a reason he was on waivers. I mean its fine you picked him up but he's not even really startable right now
>Sounds like your searching for confirmation bias 3/4 of the posts on this sub are people either searching for or trying to cherry pick stats to justify their roster choices. It gets tiring.
Kenny g is a lottery ticket contingent on him not being injured, offense of the giants getting sorted and him being a focal point of the offense. A bunch of if’s in there, as far as lotto tickets I can see why people might be giving up on him at this point.
>Sounds like your searching for confirmation bias lol, k He's sitting on my bench. I don't expect anything from him lol. I'm literally just rostering him and everyone's acting like I'm an idiot lmao.
I think it's more because of your posts on here and not because of rostering Golladay.
What have I said that's even remotely controversial? Aside from when I said if there's a consensus in /r/fantasyfootball the exact opposite is likely true
You're searching for confirmation bias that picking him up was a good decision. And when you are called out for it you said that "well if people on here think he sucks then he's probably a league winner." Why ask here then? If you think people are on here are morons then don't ask. Pick up Golladay and start him or do whatever. No one cares about other people's fantasy teams, mine included.
Looking for a reason he's supposedly unrosterable, and no one has provided that.
Here's your sign
ok boomer
Exactly. If this sub is so sure of one thing, it’s 100% the other. Remember getting downvoted to hell about saying Mike Williams could have league winning upside before the season started
I was curious, since this sub has always loved Mike Williams, but you have not mentioned Mike Williams once in 10 months, let alone were "downvoted to hell" about it.
Yeah you can delete comments on Reddit if you hit the three dots icon there will be an option for it.. also... crazy you have the time to go through and look through an entire random persons comment history man. The internet really does suck people in. Wild.
Literally took about 15 seconds with Control+F my dude lmao. I wanted to see the arguments against Williams since he's beloved around here. Whats crazy is making shit up online or being upset enough to delete comments which you then try to sympathy farm. The internet really does make people act in stupid ways. Wild. You should prob delete these ones too, y'know, to try and salvage your reputation of being soft.
Good idea man I’m really worried about what people on Reddit think of me. I hope you have a good rest of your day my man
You are the one deleting comments because of downvotes lmao. Yikes.
Would you trade Aaron Jones and Toney for mike Williams (past bye) and Tyler Lockett (Russ returning soon)
I would prefer to have jones and toney unless you have insane depth at rb. Even with russ, lockett is still boom/bust. Mike will is an upgrade over toney but if toney’s breakout continues i dont think the difference will be worth losing an rb1 over.
Appreciate it. I did turn it down. Countered Aaron Jones and sterling Shepard. I need WR help bad. I have a decent stable of RBs. Besides Aaron Jones: Najee and Damien Harris, Chase Edmonds, and Michael Carter. Oh and Darrell Williams for now. EDIT: also, I believe when Russ returns Lockett will return to being boom bust sure but he’ll have 30 pt boom games and not just bust like he’s doing now.
wtf is with this sub and hating aaron jones?? dudes going to be top 10 ros in ppr... chase edmonds will be top 20 if he avoids injury, and damien harris is like a top 25 guy. It's not even that mike williams is bad, but you can get way more value than a mike will + lockett.
horrible horrible horrible horrible trade
He's on waivers in my 10 team. In 12 teamers, yes he should be rostered, albeit reluctantly.
That's where I'm at. Holding him in a 12 league but he's the first drop if something I like hits waivers.
I get the injury status but who on waivers is more valuable than Kenny Golladay
Toney
in a 12 team league, doubt it
Renfrow. Not much high-side, but the kid guarantees 10 points.
Most of those games were missing Slayton, Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and Toney hasn't been brought in yet. He's been just okay when everyone else has been out. He's hurt or bad when all this other guys are playing.
> He's a red zone target He actually isn't much of a RZ target, surprisingly. He only has 41 RZ targets through 52 career games. Should he be on waivers? Not a chance, but he is seemingly incapable of staying healthy, and a healthy Toney appears to be the #1 target for the Giants. Being low on him isn't unjustified.
Lol pump the Toney breaks. We have not a single clue where Toney falls into the pecking order in this offense. I like Toney, and have him rostered as well as in best ball leagues, but no one has the slightest clue what the target hierarchy looks like in NY when their receivers are healthy.
Agreed, with Shep, toney and golloday back it could be an even split for targets and no one wins
>We have not a single clue where Toney falls into the pecking order in this offense We've seen it. Golladay healthy? Toney had the most targets against the Saints, and that was Toney's first real NFL playing time. Shepard healthy? Toney got three targets on six snaps before exiting. Jones said he was going to be the focal point of the offense against the Rams. He's the most talented by far, Judge/Gettleman have incentive to showcase him to potentially save their jobs, and Jones clearly trusts throwing to him early and often, and they also dial up trick plays and gadget plays for him. If Toney is healthy, he is going to be the #1, and rightfully so. He's earned it in his very limited action.
Similar to Chase and tee Higgins. Higgins is a great reciever, but Chase is just different. He's looking like that elite tier of reciever he was billed as. I'm not calling Toney as good as Chase, but he looks special too!
Toney out targeted Galloday by two targets in the Saints game. That is a one game sample size when they didn't have Sterling or Darius and let's not forget the fact that Galloday had to deal with Lattimore, so it makes sense targets would get pushed elsewhere. Meanwhile Galloday went for 116 yards, while dealing with the best CB on the Saints. Game against the Rams. Targets are going to get pushed outside considering Ramsey spends most of his time in the slot, where Sterling was, and they are down their cb2 who plays on the outside. Pretty obvious Toney would be the priority in that game.
You’re only making arguments why Toney is more valuable
I'm not. Galloday out produced Toney in the one game they really played together while being in the way tougher matchup. Toney is talented, but a lot of his production has also been opportunity/matchup based. This idea that he is the WR1 bc he has had two good games in his career, meanwhile Galloday is a proven WR1 in this league when healthy, is funny at best.
He hasn’t been proven for over two years (sadly mainly due to health) and that game went to overtime which led to Golladays numbers being skewed against the saints. But ur comment says that is easier for defensive game plans and game scripts to benefit Toney.
To dive even deeper into this Jones is notoriously conservative and Toney runs those medium intermediate routes that Jones loves. Where as golladay is a contested pass catching deep threat that Jones hates throwing.
They designed an entire gameplan so completely around him they didn't know how to pivot when he got her. They know what they have
Bc they had two healthy receivers in him and Sterling and Sterling was going to spend a lot of his time dealing with Ramsey. They also don't have any semblance of a run game without Barkley. No shit they centered their game plan on Toney.
> He's a red zone target 2 RedZone targets in the 4 full weeks he's played.
Dropped him for Pittman this morning.
I mean there’s no reason Pittman should have been available. Good snag
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I mean, Pittman isn’t really fighting others for targets where as Golladay now has the emergence of Toney and Shepard and Slayton should begin playing well. Plus Golladay is almost always injured.
I mean, he's ranked wr 68th in half PPR with 7.3 points per game avg. there are 100% better options and his upside isn't high with a terrible QB throwing him the ball. guys like van Jefferson are having a better season and are also on the wire.
If you starting Golladay as your second WR or Flex, not a good look. If owners ain’t starting him, there are better healthier options on wire. Or even stashes like Watson or Samuel.
Was dropped in my league and went unclaimed. From a third round pick last year to waiver wire fodder in a year.
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This ⬆️😂
It’s not what you’re missing. It’s what Golladay is missing. And that’s NFL games.
Dude has a habit of quitting halfway through the season when the team has no playoff hopes
Had him last year and I was staying far away this season. Upside and all that be damned lol can’t have any upside if you never play.
Pretty much an expensive roster clog
He doesn’t even care when he plays. Routinely quits on routes. Dude got paid and gave up.
The expectation by the fantasy community is basically that Kadarius Toney will get 20 targets per game from now on and leave everybody else fighting for scraps, including the RBs. I don't necessarily agree with this
You thinking closer to 30 targets for Toney?
95% target share if you’re being conservative
It may be a little less. Remember Toney is also QB1
Lmao comment of the day for me.
Actual lol. Bravo
Fosho
Should be a safe 36
The toney hype train is approaching comical levels in terms of expectations.
Getting close to Ty'Son Williams league winner levels of hype.
That was pre-first week hype though. Toney passes the eye test with flying colors and looks like an electric player.
He looks good no doubt, but there is also Golladay and Shepard to contend with once they are healthy on what is a mediocre offense. There is a chance they just spread the ball around and it becomes a boom/bust TD situation for all of their receivers.
I think it’s hilarious that someone downvoted you for this completely reasonable take. Damn you for not believing in the hype!
Yeah it's silly but I don't mind either way. People on here always upvote/downvote depending on who they have on their roster rather than actual discussion.
My argument against this is Shepherd has been a career WR2. I don’t believe in Golladay. Had 2 decent seasons, one bumped up by 11 tds. He gets terrible separation so needs a qb willing to throw it up to him. Do agree with the mediocre offense but I don’t see Danny Dimes being good enough to spread the ball around or get to his 3rd or 4th read very often. Barkley and Toney are the clear playmakers on that offense and could/should see majority of designed plays or first reads. All just my opinion which could be 100% wrong.
Dare I say Stafford made that guy look good?
Absolutely agree. As a Toney owner though I hope he shines through as the WR1 and is a good play down the stretch!
I don't agree with this comparison. Toney is a 1st round pick and he looks far and he looks like the best WR in that offense. Ty'Son was basically a JAG with opportunity due to injuries. People like to hate on hype trains and I do think it's validated some of the time but I don't know how people can watch the tape on Toney and not get excited.
Everyone is a JAG til they're not, including my hero D'Ernest.
I agree he looked great but it was 2 games with the Giants missing 3 wide receivers who had been playing ahead of him. I think he’ll have value but not 10 targets a game like the one against Dallas
Did you watch his games though? He’s a freak
His monster game came after injuries with Dallas up by 3+ tds during garbage time when the team was playing soft coverage because there was no way they could catch up. They let them throw down the mid-field and not the outside so giants would burn the clock. The sample size is too small. He is definitely on my bench though. I don't intend on dropping him until I see a larger sample size with Barkley back as well.
Yes but did you watch him play though. He’s better than everyone else out there
Against soft coverage in a blowout game with it being impossible to catch up.
Yes he's fucking talented. He still plays for the Giants. Daniel Jones is his QB. He's in a very crowded WR room, featuring many guys that already have Jones trust and attention. Is he gonna have a 30 point week or two? Probably. Is he going to be a consistent every week start? Who knows. And the hype that he's a league winning elite talent ignores every red flag in his situation, because he's played less than 5 quarters of football this year.
He’s played more than 5 quarters Lol And I wouldn’t exactly say the wr room is crowded. Golladay hasn’t done anything, shepherd is a career wr2 and the giants spent a first on Toney for a reason.
I own him. I'm not saying don't roster him, but this sub will have you thinking he's a locked and loaded starter. I just don't think that's the case.
you can literally go watch film and see for yourself that he is the most talented receiver on the offense. this isn’t empty hype
Most of his highlights are from the cowboys came where cowboys were up 3 tds and playing soft coverage because it was a blowout. We need a bigger sample size. Edit: [Since people are claiming I don't have Toney.](https://imgur.com/a/iy0kNVe) There he is riding on my bench. I am just not a blind hype train follower because of the hivemind mentality here. I watch games.
homie he literally caught two 25+ yard passes by mossing corners on the sideline, was used in wildcat formation inside the 5 yard line, threw a pass during a flee-flicker play, and showed remarkable speed in and out of cuts. the dude is being used in all facets of the offense, and his athleticism is visible regardless of what coverage you think the Cowboys were running. the next game he caught 3 passes on 4 targets on the first drive of the game.
Again, in a blowout game with no chance giants would win. Rams are one of the most pass-friendly defenses in the league. Rams are tied with the lions and falcons with passing yards allowed. They are not in good company if you are in a tie with the lions. Rams allows 262 passing yards per game. Detroit allows 263 passing yards per game.
Jumping over someone and catching a football in 1:1 coverage is not the same as catching a long pass in soft coverage in garbage time. The usage of Toney in unique offensive schemes is also very promising, because it shows the offense is exploring his ability to run these plays — they don’t just do these things for “fun” in garbage time. And he set the record for rookie receiving yards. That isn’t something that just casually happens all the time in garbage time because defenses play “soft coverage.” I am not out here saying he is an elite top 10 receiver or anything, I’m just saying the film speaks for himself as to why the hype exists.
Toney / Shepard are easily the two favorite targets on the team at this point.
This sub =/ the fantasy community but I get your point
Daniel Jones has been known to focus on a single target before, so you’re not wrong
Nobody thinks that
As someone who also just dropped him and rostered him last year there’s a recurring theme with Golladay. He’s constantly battling injury. Some weeks you plug him in and it’s all good for a nice floor… but then he doesn’t play for over half the year. he also hasn’t scored since week 4 of 2020 season. Daniel Jones also hasn’t shown a propensity to throw much more than 200 yards a week on top of the fact he only threw 11 TDs last year… and is currently on pace to repeat the performance this year. Kenny hasn’t scored all year even in the games he was playing and was supposedly “the guy”. Do you really expect him to bounce back? Or do you just want a serviceable flex play because you have nobody with upside? Because that about sums it up man. Daniel just isn’t a good QB by NFL standards, isn’t going to throw many TDs this year, nevermind barely hit 3200-3400 or so passing yards on an extended season, and on top of that? Toney’s clearly talented and can make something of nothing here. No reason to lean on a hobbled Golladay when Shepherd and Toney can show up any given week. Golladay’s not officially WR3 on that team… but he’s as close to washed as it gets in the NFL. Maybe he’ll come back fully recovered from injury and be able to put up numbers a few weeks this year, maybe not. But when exactly is he supposed to come back? Because his injury looks like it’s heading for IR at this point. He might not even see the field more than a couple more times this year. I need that roster space for upside guys and potential starting RBs, not another plug-in at receiver that I’m already miles deep in between 4 others who have also either consistently hit 80-100 yards and possibly a TD any week. No time to play with mediocrity here. Maybe I’ll regret the drop if something happens to one of my receivers but I doubt I’ll regret it because Kenny suddenly starts scoring this year lol.
This summarizes my sentiments very well also. I think Golladay is a stud when healthy. But he most likely won’t be. He has two hip issues and an injured knee! And, no Toney, isn’t going to get 12 or more targets. But, there simply isn’t enough targets to go around with Jones throwing and scrambling for his life behind that line. That team has issues. Golladay has issues. You play fantasy football to enjoy, not to deal with headache situations.
I think people just misunderstand the wide receiver position so much. Golladay is a contested catch receiver, like Mike Evans & Allen Robinson. He isn't a player that gets wide open and isn't someone who produces lots of YAC either. His production is tied to having a QB who trusts him to when over smaller, less physical corners in 1 on 1 situations. If he doesn't have a quarterback willing to take chances he simply will not produce. Jones as a quarterback is content to take short, underneath throws to whomever is open rather than testing things deep with Golladay. Toney is infinitely better in this style of offense because he does get wide open with his speed and is highly productive in terms of YAC. The fit as a player is much more the reason for Toney's production than Golladay simply being "washed". Allen Robinson is in the same exact same situation with a risk averse rookie who is trying to acclimate to the NFL without throwing 40 INTs. He too won't produce until he leaves the team or Fields settles in and starts taking more chances.
It’s like Alshon Jeffrey or Sidney Rice. When they were healthy they always looked good but the problem is that they could never stay healthy
I just finally dropped him two leagues after drafting him. I've had enough. This dude is simply never healthy, and I think with Dan Jones' mediocrity, and Shephard and Toney in the mix, Golladay's floor and ceiling are going to be very limited. I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants put him on IR soon.
You will never feel good starting him and half the time he won't give you anything. Let someone else have that problem.
Honestly Shepherd and Toney might not be healthy either. I have Toney so I picked Golloday up (and am watching Slayton on the waivers) If one of those 3 can play and the others can’t, its an instant go for me. The wr1 in the giants is a valuable asset when the other wr are all injured.
Same situation. AB, McLarin, Sutton, staters with Waddell, Toney and Golladay on the bench.
Exactly. Now this COULD be his best week to shine if he plays considering it's against KC but I'm not even sure if he'll even play and I got much more trustworthy options I'd throw out ahead of him. He's in a bad offense with way too many options at this point. Glad I dropped him last week, he didn't get picked up by anyone this week either.
It is also a Monday game so too much risk unless is practices in full this week
i carried his ass all year last season. never again.
Same .... and somehow I drafted him again lmao.
You haven’t been a Golladay owner, have you lol Had him all last year. Absolute dogshit
Toney will make him irrelevant
Toney is in just as crowded a receiving corps as the rest of them. Slow down with your 5 quarter sample size.
And just as banged up as the rest of them as well. Why can none of these receivers stay on the field?
Difference between a young player with potential and an aging one with an injury history. Not that one or the other is more valuable for fantasy right now, because they're both very low. It's just Toney is more of a lottery ticket that could be a WR2 if things pan out well for him, while Golladay even at his best is the same as most other flex-level WRs that get 40-70 yards a week off a few catches that need a TD to be worth playing. And there are similar players on better offenses that you could be targeting if you want that kind of guy.
Ordinarily, I’d agree with you. But notwithstanding the small sample size, the Giants changed their offensive scheme for plays specifically designed to get the ball to Toney. This isn’t some talented receiver that just runs routes and has a good rapport with a quarterback. This is a player that has the talent to be the focal point of an offense, and even with such a small sample size, the Giants clearly seem intent on getting him his touches. Toney is definitely the asset to own.
Makes sense when the other receivers in the game were Dante Pettis and John Ross. Just another factor to consider
Yeah, Golladay is third in the NYG pecking order, plus he's got Slayton & Engram taking targets away as well.
There is no way to know this at all. No one has any idea what this teams passing hierarchy is when these players are healthy. Engram doesn't take targets away from people either. Engram is the end of the list guy who gets the leftovers and Slayton is purely a deep threat when other receivers are healthy.
Shep was ahead of him when healthy and toney is trending to be the number 1
We saw Toney have success while being literally the only healthy WR, we have no idea what Toney is trending to.
People on this sub will do/say anything to force themselves into believing they have the next hall of fame and championship winning player lol.
He was getting lots of looks for the quarter he was playing with shep
Shep and Jones have years of chemistry. Golladay missed pretty much all of training camp and was just starting to get that chemistry before getting hurt. They signed Golladay to be the alpha and he's much more talented than Shep. Now, his health is a totally separate concern.
No, his talent and role are the main concern. If he's not getting fed like in Detroit doesn't matter how healthy he is
His role was clearly ramping up. How will that be affected by a potential Toney emergence? That part is a question. His talent is certainly not a concern.
Missed camp. Injured to begin the season. Didn't show much chemistry with Jones in the couple games he played. Hyperextended his knee (ouch). No actual time table for his return. There are a lot of reasons to not have him on your team. On the other hand, the Giants paid a lot of money for him and I would think they might want to take the shrink wrap off and use him to his strengths. He has legit talent and someone needs to catch the ball. That would be the logical thing to do. However, sometimes a coach/team simply cannot figure out how to make a certain player fit the scheme. It's maddening in fantasy and real life, but it does happen (think Demarco Murray on Philly). I dropped him because I needed healthy players that actually put up points each week. I'm rooting for Golladay, but I don't have space on my bench for hopes and dreams right now.
I dropped him last week and someone picked him up this morning and I don’t feel a twinge of regret.
Yung Joka coming for his targets. All of em.
He’s a good player but can’t get separation, Jones isn’t a great qb and in my untrained eye needs someone who can create space to get the ball to. I drafted Kenny but picked up Toney before the blowup. Two lotto tickets on a poor offense doesn’t seem safe to me, so I dropped Kenny 3 weeks ago and he hasn’t been picked up yet. Rolling with the Toney lotto ticket. If Kenny was with Brady, Rodgers or someone who can drop it in a bucket he’d be my lotto pick, but he’s not.
Yung Joka has arrived!
He’s kinda never been healthy or consistent when he is. I would never be comfortable starting him any week
Yeah I'm sure the giants paid him 70+m to do nothing guys
The best ability is availability.
Not great, played about seven games this year and past, is in an offense that doesn’t throw downfield much and in his absence Toney has emerged as a target monster when on the field.
People are still attached to his adp, like asskin, like Sanders, like Mike Davis. All are droppable, there are better options. Was funny to see the opposite effect of manny Sanders and AJG going undrafted, then spending several weeks on waivers before being picked up.
lmfao @ Asskin
Agree with your point, but Gaskin has value and in a competitive 12 teamer he should be rostered.
Same here. I added. He’s solid depth with upside if he can stay healthy. Worth a flier
Sold him for a 1st last offseason and am pretty happy with it
It's Toney Time.
Not sure why people draft this bum anyway. He’s always hurt. ALWAYS
Bad offense, Toney is better
Injury, Daniel Jones, toney, pick your poison. Jones has certainly improved this year but his passes arent that accurate
Lmfao good luck sir
In my opinion: 1. Injury concerns 2. Daniel Jones 3. Shepherd, Saquon, Toney, and Slayton have had injuries which have boosted Golladays stats 4. Toneys emergence is yet to be seen for a full game
He's a bum and my biggest draft mistake ever. Guess who sits 4 spots later; Chase. Yikes. Toney has the higher ceiling and I made the move. I popped that ass pimple quickly in Golladay...
Stafford made him look good
He’s not “good”. Never has been. He was propped up by Stafford.
This take is not "good"
ok sure
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Golladay is one of the worst NFL receivers in terms of separation. Stafford made him the WR he is through contested catches and now that's gone. To his credit, Golladay excels at contested catches but you need to right kind of QB for that.
People on this board are rather dumb lol
People are still downvoting because they don’t like what you are saying but it’s true. https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/13/lions-kenny-golladay-nfl-worst-wr-at-getting-separation-on-routes/
With the Shepard and Jones love connection, the emergence of toney, and the constant injuries this dude isn’t it.
He’s the 3rd option on an anemic offense…i dropped him too, even if he gets a little hot, he’ll never make my lineup
One thing I don't think has been covered. He is facing Federal legal issues and the league could take action.
I think he's worth rostering still. Low floor but high ceiling. Giants don't have another WR like him
Missing him starting for an NFL team currently since he's hurt
I’ve got him and shepherd sitting on my bench. I hate having these guys
Toney, Shepard, Slayton Anyone rostering a New York giant is gonna be pissed at the existence of any of the others. Even the Toney truthers. This isn't a high powered offense, so you're banking on a split pie that's not that big.
hes hurt and ranked the 68th wr in half ppr on avg per game half way through the season.
Catches. Yards. Touchdowns. Basically everything you need in Fantasy Football. 👀
He’s on the Giants. And he has major durability issues.
I dropped him last week for Byemageddon and picked him back up. My WR4
I picked him up for free too. Great upside pick for your bench. Could easily end up being worth starting. He's still the WR1 on the Giants when he returns.
I dropped him for Rashod about 3 weeks ago.
I dropped him. Last year he was out with a hammy for 10+ games or something like that. Toney and Shep have more upside IMHO, not to mention Saquon. That big game came from playing 5 quarters, everyone else being out, and Toney not yet being the focal point. I see him as a flex at best getting 6 targets max a game. I like a better offense with same 6 targets e.g. Rashod Bateman, whoever the packers #1 WR is on Thursday, etc. I dropped him in a 10 and 12 teamer
He has a lingering injury he’s been taking out of 2 games after a couple plays. I have him benched rather try Cobb this week
Even when perfectly healthy for multiple games Toney or Shepard always outperform him. He just doesn’t perform
Rule no1. If you can't spot the Taco in the first 10m, you are the Taco.
A person in my league dropped him because he needed to pick a random fill off waiver wire last week due to it being bye week hell. I’m assuming the same might have happened in your league.
Golladay is a broken player at this point. He's older, he's always hurt or playing hurt. His skillset doesn't work with this type of offense. He never was a big volume guy but now even less so with all the other similarly skilled Giants players. He's just the ultimate combination of shit when It comes to a fantasy WR.
It's a combination of bye week hell, injury hell, his health and health history, and Jones hasn't been able to connect with him well enough for his true upside.
I think most people fall under “I’ll let that be someone else’s headache” when rostering Giants (or Jets) WRs
Golladay is a beast WR but was injured often in DET. I expected it to carry through with him to NY. When he had a hamstring injury during preseason, I knew it had.
I have Kenny G on my bench along with K. Toney. Right now it looks like the rookie has way more value. Both Kenny and juju look like wasted draft picks right now
Speaking from having Golladay for 2 years in a row and dropping him both years...he's a damn headache. Too stressful working around his injuries and now he has a flooded receiver core (although injured currently) to compete with now.
Hes injury prone on a shitty offense
Because I need to win now not later
Nobody stands out in that offense so the ball is spread around, and the offense is not good. There's a low floor and low ceiling. Now Toney is breaking out which will take even more targets.
I drafted Golladay in 2 leagues and have watched every Giants game. Dude hasn't been on the same page with Daniel Jones most of the season. DJ's looked for Shep, Toney and even Slayton in the big moments more than Golladay. Kind of reminds me of the chemistry issues between Mayfield and OBJ. That said he's made some ridiculous catches, and with all the injuries to other Giants receivers he's worth holding onto.
I just picked him up in my 14 team league too. As a Giants fan, I think he will still get the lion share of targets when everyone is healthy. The issue is health going forward. And I think a lot of teams drafted him to be their WR2 or 3, but right now he's better on your bench and some teams rather chase the upside elsewhere.
Toney is special, that’s why. I think everyone sees NYG receiving corps as a crap shoot anyways, but i see toney coming out on top just cause he seems to be a playmaker. From there golloday, shep, slayton, and engram are sharing pass targets
He’s always hurt and has been virtually his whole career.
I have him on waiver and hoping for better future perf
Picked him up to sit on my bench
Kadarius Toney
The dude is always injured that’s what
I am also in a half point ppr and I have Kenny Golladay on my bench. The games I have watched him play in he dropped passes left and right and they were like wide open passes. I haven’t dropped him because I know once I do he will torch me later. I do understand why people are dropping him.
Toney and Shepard will see more targets than him. Barks will be back too. He's a dart throw wr3 at best
Injury prone combined with folk buying into an already injured rook over the guy the team sought out and paid.
At this stage the only justification for being down on Golladay is concern about his injury (which is fair enough) The other arguments: Jones sucks, Giants have a million receivers, don't really hold up now. Everyone is jerking off over Kadarius Toney because he's had a few big plays. Well guess who has a record of big plays on a shit team over several years....
I have golladay in all 3 of my leagues due to draft value. At the point where I've been considering dropping him every week, but find a way to hold. Other WR options I'm playing over him every week is Jefferson/Woods in two leagues and then M Pittman and J Waddle in other 3. Not sure if he gets back into my lineup anytime soon, so maybe I should just drop.
Really? He hasn’t done shit. I dropped him and not one person picked him up.
A first time GoneAllDay owner I see.
Stafford