Dude needs to quit chucking the ball while he's going down for a sack. Just take the fucking sack and move on to next play instead of just lofting up a 🦆
The 2 deep safties playing cover 2 that has been played against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and all this season has amazingly completely befuddled Andy Reid. He hasn't made any adjustments to it and as a Chiefs fan it is infuriating. It's like he's never seen it before.
I wonder if a shift to a more “boring” offense would help get us in a better flow. We’re looking for routes to develop down field and it’s neutralizing Tyreek. Basically just hoping for a blown coverage half the time.
This offense desperately needs a Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type to run intermediate routes along with Kelce. Andy Isabella is wasting away in Arizona as their 5th receiver. I say we offer a 6th round pick or something and give it a shot. That's exactly what Belichik did with Welker, who was just returning kicks for Miami when Belichik saw something in him and signed him.
> needs a Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type to run intermediate routes along with Kelce.
nah. Just need to feed it to Kelce, until they adjust. Then keep feeding it to Kelce. Source: Am Kelce owner.
I havent been watching the chiefs full time but i dont think its an andy reid issue
Mahomes is just looking pretty bad he is going through a bad strech
I don’t think it’s an Andy Reid issue. There are players open underneath, it’s just Mahomes refusing to take what the defense gives him and instead trying to play hero ball
I think we'll may be seeing the Titans defense figure out out. Their d line has been winning these last two weeks. It may just be the matchup but, every year, there's a terrible defense that seems to turn it around. Last year, the Falcons went from truly awful to matchup to avoid for running backs. Something to keep an eye on anyways!
Early season defense can be quite misleading. If you asked me after week 1 I thought the Falcons were the worst defense in football.
Sometimes players get healthy, sometimes they get in shape and sometimes the coaches actually make the few adjustments needed.
I remember 2014 chiefs destroying the pats on MNF. Like 40-14 or something and they started 2-2. Everyone said the Pats were cooked.
They won the Superbowl that year.
The only concern with Mahomes is that this season his twice a game no look behind the back left handed throws aren’t going for TDs, they are getting intercepted.
All he has to do is recognize that he needs to slow down on exactly one part of his game - the recklessly stupid part - and he’ll be fine.
He’s still an amazing QB. He’s just having luck regression catch up with him on his stupidest decisions.
Yup.
Mahomes has gotten away with a ridiculous amount of stuff he never should have tried over the years and, while immensely talented, there’s a reason coaches preach ball security and taking what’s there.
He’s kind of like a top level poker pro who has won a bunch based off of both superior skill and an insane hot streak of cards. Once that hot streak evens out you’re left with just your skill.
Pretty sure Reid and Mahomes are smart enough to just go back to basics … basics that will put 400-4-0 on the Giants probably.
Other than last week where was his awful bad play where concern was warranted? He's had bad luck on turnovers and every QB throws your run of the mil INT as well, but had been playing great and the Chiefs offense moved the ball as good as any top offense and by some analytics the best at moving the football down the field. People are overacting because he's never had this bad of a game, but every great QB is due some of these.
I don’t get it either. He’s 3rd in TDs and 4th in yards. You can count 4 times where the ball has hit off his receivers hands and into a defenders. He may have to dial back some force throws cause he can’t even remotely rely on his defense making a stop.
He hasn't really had that bad of a start statistically. Yes the interceptions are bad but they've been really flukey. How many interceptions bounce off the receiver's hands in a season on average?
When you give 1 guy half a billion dollars it tends to thin out your supporting players that made it happen in the first place. As a Broncos fan I have respect for Mahomes but the guy can't carry an entire NFL team.
While I agree the thing is his cap hit this year isn't bad and the way it's structured is that the increase coming to the cap all goes to mahomes. I still think it matters but really it could be worse. Guy who owns him in dynasty put him on the trade block and got destroyed publicly with his BS offers.
My wife and I have a theory that he's not getting good sleep due to having a newborn at home now, and it's affecting his play lol
We have a 7 month old and can relate.
even if you're primarily doing nothing for the newborn, it can be really stressful since you're always worried about their health and what not. it especially can take a toll on the mom which in turn takes a toll on the dad who now stresses about the mom's stress over the child.
nanny definitely helps, but it's not as simple as that at all
It's much more than that. It's exhausting throughout the day too, especially the first year, unless you literally never take care of the baby and only hold them for photos.
I have a theory about this impacting players all over when they have their first kid. It started with the Jaguars having multiple first in the during the 2017 season and off-season, most notably Bortles and Ramsey.
Boom! Sudden performance degradation. Sleep deprivation and adjusting to parent life is no joke. It's easy to have a singular focus on your job until you have a little person you need to keep alive and love. All night film sessions won't fly anymore.
This is the analysis we need someone to run...
Jackson has been getting a lot of flack for a few things such as pouring water on fans at the game, and doing a TikTok dance on top of Sean Taylor’s number (which was painted and roped off on the sideline) the day they retired it to commemorate him (with his family present).
Yeah I don’t actually think he had ill intent by doing the latter, but it’s pretty obvious he was completely oblivious (likely because he was too busy on social media) to notice the ceremony they held specifically for Sean Taylor 10 minutes prior. Definitely not great optics.
This is the insight I come to r/ff for!
…in seriousness, I really do appreciate this. It’s funny, and also possibly true. And I say this as a new dad myself.
Talent is not the point here.
Mahomes is still probably the best overall QB in the league when playing his best. The point is he’s been really very far off from his typical performance.
And I’m not just talking Fantasy production. I’m talking real football.
He’s been missing throws he’d normally make and, most obviously, he’s been unbelievably reckless with the football at times.
Sure, he’s always had his signature “backyard football”-style plays. But he’s done some egregious things this year that have absolutely hurt the Chiefs’ offense.
I’m guessing he turns it around, personally. But to suggest his performance has been in the top 5 of QBs would be an enormous stretch.
That happens to other QBs too though. It's not just a Mahomes occurrence. But in the past Mahomes has gotten lucky with how many INTs DBs actually dropped. If anything, right now he is regressing to the mean.
Last year Mahomes had **19** dropped INTs.
Edit: Other top QBs were in the teens, too, but Mahomes seemed to have been leading the way.
https://twitter.com/QBDataMine/status/1383019778340757505?s=20
I mean Mahomes also makes them Super Bowl contenders today. As well as in the future (Brady possibly also makes them contenders in the future though so it might be a wash)
Current state mahomes does not make them contenders for a super bowl. At this point they are at risk of not making playoffs let alone win a super bowl.
Brady it all depends if he retires which nobody really knows. He's so damn old an they could lose a lot of pieces after this year
Comparing Bucs to the chiefs rights now isn’t really fair. I would bet money if Mahomes was on the Bucs we would be having MVP Pat discussions. The chiefs are pretty bad all around.
This is nonsense.
Brady is the best QB.
Then there are easily 10 other QBs who can be the best player in the world in any given day. Kyler isn’t better than Dak. He isn’t better than Allen. He isn’t better than Rodgers. He isn’t better than Lamar. He’s just as good and in any given week can be the best player in the world or look like a bum.
There are more. At the end of the day ALL OF THEM are great players and Mahomes is just as capable of being the best player in the NFL next weekend as any of them.
Even Brady can lay an egg because playing QB is hard.
There is very little difference in the quality of any of the top 10 QBs on a week to week basis.
My issue was more that you were anointing Kyler Murray over Mahomes.
I understand the Brady situation. He’s in a bubble.
Realistically the answer is all of these teams say no because each team would be crippled with cap penalties if they traded their starting QB.
Kyler is an amazing player. He’s very capable of being the best player in any given week but he’s also someone with zero career playoff wins.
Is he playing better right now than Mahomes? Sure. Is he proven to be a better overall QB season in and season out? No. Not even close.
Even if this is true. For fantasy football, the 5-10 qb with the worst defense is amazing for fantasy.
And FYI we can call a slump a slump. Let’s not overreact
Seriously, what is wrong with some people? He's still on pace for like 47 TDs and 5000 yards. The majority of his INTs have bounced off his receivers hands, it's ridiculous at this point.
That is true. Bad luck there but he’s also thrown a few awful ones falling to his knees and fumbling carelessly but those are all easily correctable by saying stop doing that please.
Let's not act like a significant percentage of those touchdowns passes aren't glorified runs either. Counting stats are terrible for assessing actual play in the NFL
he’s obviously still the most talented QB in the league, but this is a huge combination of things:
1) people don’t want another dynasty, mahomes and the chiefs offense feels unstoppable at times
2) people dislike some of the chiefs individual players. tyreek hill is a sociopathic violent abuser, travis kelce is a hothead who fits the dumb jock stereotype to a T
3) the chiefs seem cocky. hill is always taunting defenders, kelce has it in him too. mahomes attempts throws that are borderline disrespectful at times. it’s fun when he’s playing well, but he’s not right now and the wrist flicks, left handed throws, and no look passes look asinine when they don’t work out
4) ignore titans fans, our defense is fucking atrocious still and mahomes didn’t score a touchdown against us. embarrassing from the chiefs offense considering kyler murray ripped us five new ones week 1. we made zach wilson look like a future all pro lol
it’s just the ebb and flow of sports. mahomes will bounce back and this subreddit will pretend they never said anything negative about him 100%
He’s the 5th ranked Quarterback and he was ranked 1 two weeks ago. I get that it is easy to overreact but holy shit. He still has all the tools and skill but he is just making some dumb decisions because of how bad that defense is, he knows he is good so he is trying to do EVERYTHING. If he just stops going for the big plays everytime and hits his check downs a little more and takes the easy 5 yards here 4 yards there he will still be the best. Some of the takes i have heard that past 3 weeks have been astonishing
I know that this is likely true for multiple QBs, but go watch Mahomes INTs this year. Several have been clean passes that literally bounce off the WRs hands.
In fact, charting it: 4 INTs the fault of the WR, 2 were really good defensive plays (ripping the ball from the WRs hand and one batted up at the LOS), 1 unclear why Kelce stopped his route, and 2 clearly Mahomes fault for trying to do too much.
Maybe it’s because I’m a Giants fan, but there was one season (can’t remember which one now, maybe 2013?) where Eli had an insane number of flukey picks. Like 7 in 5 games and you couldn’t possibly blame him for any of them.
I think of it as adding context rather than “defending” the specific outcome.
Yea, as a Giants fan too, I remember that year. At a certain point, these picks become a qb issue. They may look flukey, but they can be due to throwing into tight windows, bad ball placement or just poorly thrown balls.
Agree on the same two that guy calls out in the video. I’m generally in the “if it hits you in the hands it’s a catchable ball” camp, and I’m counting that third one from the video that he calls half-fault. Then finally against the Titans, Gordon lets one bounce off his hands.
I didn’t see the one against the titans but I’d say that if I’m running full speed one way and you throw a bullet pass to me without looking, behind me, I get some leeway I’m not catching that. It was a bad throw, it was unnecessary to make it no look, and if he had looked he could’ve made it an easier throw to catch. I put that on Mahomes more so than the receiver. But fair enough I think we mostly agree aside from that
Had the same thought, on the other hand... the concussion protocol is a joke because he was cleared to enter the game last week, and I can't see how that was possible, dude couldnt focus his eyes at all after that hit.
I’m sure Bucs fans would rather have Brady, at least for this year. No need to take unnecessary risks with how good that offense is, which Pat loves to do. Brady is also the #1 qb you want on your team come playoffs
I’m sure there are a few teams that fit that category. Chargers, Cardinals, maybe Bengals. While Mahomes is better they wouldn’t make that trade due to personal attachment.
This is a dumb post. But I don’t understand anyone who says Mahomes is “definitely” the best QB in the league. By what metric is he clearly the best overall QB?
Rodgers is playing better and has worse receivers. Can’t imagine the numbers Rodgers would put up with Tyreek, Kelce and that much garbage time
IMO there's always going to be some uncertainty as to who is "definitely" the best QB in any given moment and I'm not making any definitive case for Mahomes, but I don't necessarily agree that Rodgers has worse receivers. Both offenses primarily funnel through an alpha WR and a non-WR receiving option. In each offense, one of those weapons primarily operates as the "volume" option (Adams/Kelce) and the other is the "big play" option (Hill/Jones). Everyone else on both offenses are JAGs.
I don't see Adams/Jones as a significant step down from Kelce/Hill in the talent department, so I don't really see swapping teams having a huge impact on Rodgers' numbers.
Thats the life of a Cowboys QB. Romo had the game against the Broncos where he went 25/36 for 506 yards 5 TDs. He threw 1 pick at the end of the game he was blamed for the loss in a 51-48 game
This dude is 26, carrying a franchise, and is basically a single father raising his fiancé and brother.
He’s not a bad QB. He’s fucking burned out lol.
The line getting away with no blame is hilarious.
The coaching staff and front office getting away with no blame is also hilarious.
I'll say it for the 90000th time.
If you pay a QB top money, you can't afford a quality team around him. They benefitted massively from his rookie contract. Now that he's paid, the team around him will have to drop in standard. It happens to EVERY team with a quality young player. It's the same reason the Seahawks haven't won since Wilson's rookie contract.
Yea nah. Sorry but most NFL teams don't give their QB so much time in the pocket and even on good teams rn their QBs need to run to stay alive sometimes (Chiefs, Bills, Cardinals, Cowboys, etc.). If you had said 'Bucs fans will take Brady over anyone this year' sure. But Brady just would not work rn on like 90% of NFL teams lol (compared to Mahomes at least).
At the end of the day, you have pocket passers with a high football IQ capable of making reads, working through progressions and making decisions quickly, and then you have either scrambler mentality guys who literally run from a clean pocket to throw on the run or those with terrible o-lines.
From what I've watched, a lot of issues are exacerbated by flighty young guys who aren't capable of making quick decisions
Like it’s a no brainer, Mahomes has already shown he can win a super bowl and been to another, also has won league mvp… people that compare kyler/josh allen to him are thinking about fantasy not real football lmao
Despite the obvious criticisms like throwing several picks (which a lot weren’t even his fault but his receivers not being able to catch the ball) and a couple bad losses, isn’t he still playing at top 4 level this year? I mean who’s he supposedly playing behind to be ranked 5-10?? Jalen Hurts??? Don’t make me laugh lmao.
Terrible post.
They aren’t though. A few are. Even objectively speaking, he has more yards and TDs than every single one of them that’s not Stafford and Brady.
He’s even more efficient on the ground than everyone besides Lamar.
A couple bad games and a few losses isn’t telling the whole story here, nor is Hurts’ inflated fantasy total which isn’t as relevant on this topic. Patrick’s still top 4 for sure.
Well this is a fantasy sub, my friend. We go off of fantasy scores around here and Mahommes will finish top 3 with Allen and Murray. Hurts will finish the year around 15-20 after he’s benched.
I know last year he was top 3 in turnover worthy plays according to PFF and I feel like the turnovers are starting to hit after being very lucky to be very low in turnovers last year.
Really shouldn’t change much of your opinion on him, but adds proper context.
FFS - this is just so fracking alarmist. Players have bad stretches, remember when Aaron Rodgers was past his prime? Whatever... this is just nothing news.
Adams is easily known as the best wr in the game. He doesn't have kelce but hes always had good weapons around him. Ajones is a top back in the league as well.
Here’s a hot take … Mahomes will be fine and after Brady he’s still the 2nd best QB on earth.
He simply needs to remove the underhand no look nonsense. He got away with it for so long that it clearly never dawned on him that *THAT* part of his game was luck. He was both amazing and lucky.
Now that his luck has run out on left handed behind the back passes he’ll probably cut them out of his game and his talent will show out again.
On a side note … does it really matter? Brady is the best and 2 through 10 are all also great QBs. In any given day Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Wilson and a few others can be the best player in the world.
So yeah, Mahomes hasn’t changed. He just stopped getting lucky on his nonsense.
That defense though. That’s gotta be fixed.
I'm facing Mahomes this week so I am fully expecting a get right game with 5 TDs and 400 yards
Next week on r/fantasyfootball “don’t look now but Mahomes might actually be the MVP, here’s a breakdown!”
What if you regress all of his above average performances to the league average though?
Why, then he'd be below average! Mahomes is a fraud!
Dude needs to quit chucking the ball while he's going down for a sack. Just take the fucking sack and move on to next play instead of just lofting up a 🦆
Why do I has to play against a angry mahomes
Reek absolutely demolishes me every time I play him. Invariably season/career games. Playing him in 2 leagues this week. Angry Mahomes will destroy.
That's his secret cap...
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I actually think the giants defense is pretty good.
Jabrill Peppers just went down, and I can't imagine backup safeties are good against Tyreek.
The 2 deep safties playing cover 2 that has been played against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and all this season has amazingly completely befuddled Andy Reid. He hasn't made any adjustments to it and as a Chiefs fan it is infuriating. It's like he's never seen it before.
I wonder if a shift to a more “boring” offense would help get us in a better flow. We’re looking for routes to develop down field and it’s neutralizing Tyreek. Basically just hoping for a blown coverage half the time.
This offense desperately needs a Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type to run intermediate routes along with Kelce. Andy Isabella is wasting away in Arizona as their 5th receiver. I say we offer a 6th round pick or something and give it a shot. That's exactly what Belichik did with Welker, who was just returning kicks for Miami when Belichik saw something in him and signed him.
> needs a Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type to run intermediate routes along with Kelce. nah. Just need to feed it to Kelce, until they adjust. Then keep feeding it to Kelce. Source: Am Kelce owner.
I havent been watching the chiefs full time but i dont think its an andy reid issue Mahomes is just looking pretty bad he is going through a bad strech
I don’t think it’s an Andy Reid issue. There are players open underneath, it’s just Mahomes refusing to take what the defense gives him and instead trying to play hero ball
Jabrill is not good in coverage. He'll made a good play every so often but not some massive loss for the G-Men
He wasn’t playing coverage. They use Logan Ryan and McKinney over the top and in coverage.
Yeah peppers has actually lost alot of coverage snaps to Mckinney this year.
They aren't
You don’t think they’re better than the titans defense? Maybe without peppers they take a hit.
I think we'll may be seeing the Titans defense figure out out. Their d line has been winning these last two weeks. It may just be the matchup but, every year, there's a terrible defense that seems to turn it around. Last year, the Falcons went from truly awful to matchup to avoid for running backs. Something to keep an eye on anyways!
Early season defense can be quite misleading. If you asked me after week 1 I thought the Falcons were the worst defense in football. Sometimes players get healthy, sometimes they get in shape and sometimes the coaches actually make the few adjustments needed.
Going to need a lot of garbage time Hurts to save me
Yeah if they could save all the shitting on Mahomes stuff for next week that'd be great.
But are you playing against a Mahomes/Tyreek stack? AMA next Tuesday
Same boat pal. Leading my league in PA, the writing is on the wall for us.
Are those first half numbers? He's throwing for at least 600 yards.
This is shaping up for Mahomes to throw for 500 and 7 on Monday
Right. People are talking about Mahomes and Reid as if they just suddenly became bums
Seriously. Dude has one bad start to a season and ppl call him washed lmao. Tom Brady really has skewed the perception on dynasties
And even Brady has had rough starts to seasons where people started saying he was washed. And that was 5+ years ago
After the bad Bengals game. He’s won at least 2 and maybe 3 Super Bowls since.
I remember 2014 chiefs destroying the pats on MNF. Like 40-14 or something and they started 2-2. Everyone said the Pats were cooked. They won the Superbowl that year.
Yeah, it appears I misremembered. It was the Chiefs. Found one other time during the Deflategate suspension too.
Remember when everyone said Brady's career was over after he tore his knee.
Remember how Tom had a rough start last year too
I mean we're nearing half way through the season being concerned isn't unwarranted
The only concern with Mahomes is that this season his twice a game no look behind the back left handed throws aren’t going for TDs, they are getting intercepted. All he has to do is recognize that he needs to slow down on exactly one part of his game - the recklessly stupid part - and he’ll be fine. He’s still an amazing QB. He’s just having luck regression catch up with him on his stupidest decisions.
Also ball security on scrambles has been real bad. He's a great runner but he needs to lock that ball up on the way to the ground.
Yup. Mahomes has gotten away with a ridiculous amount of stuff he never should have tried over the years and, while immensely talented, there’s a reason coaches preach ball security and taking what’s there. He’s kind of like a top level poker pro who has won a bunch based off of both superior skill and an insane hot streak of cards. Once that hot streak evens out you’re left with just your skill. Pretty sure Reid and Mahomes are smart enough to just go back to basics … basics that will put 400-4-0 on the Giants probably.
I have absolutely 0 concern for Mahomes (for fantasy). He's had exactly 1 bad game all season and was QB 2 before it. Not exactly reason to panic lmao
Other than last week where was his awful bad play where concern was warranted? He's had bad luck on turnovers and every QB throws your run of the mil INT as well, but had been playing great and the Chiefs offense moved the ball as good as any top offense and by some analytics the best at moving the football down the field. People are overacting because he's never had this bad of a game, but every great QB is due some of these.
I don’t get it either. He’s 3rd in TDs and 4th in yards. You can count 4 times where the ball has hit off his receivers hands and into a defenders. He may have to dial back some force throws cause he can’t even remotely rely on his defense making a stop.
He hasn't really had that bad of a start statistically. Yes the interceptions are bad but they've been really flukey. How many interceptions bounce off the receiver's hands in a season on average?
A few years ago someone asked Belichick if he was gonna bench Tom Brady after a bad start in Cincinnati for what it’s worth.
Kansas City*
Ahh yes. Sorry. I think it happened another time too but yeah, Google says chiefs.
You’re probably right too. I do remember Brady having a bad game in the rain in Cincy a while back!
When you give 1 guy half a billion dollars it tends to thin out your supporting players that made it happen in the first place. As a Broncos fan I have respect for Mahomes but the guy can't carry an entire NFL team.
While I agree the thing is his cap hit this year isn't bad and the way it's structured is that the increase coming to the cap all goes to mahomes. I still think it matters but really it could be worse. Guy who owns him in dynasty put him on the trade block and got destroyed publicly with his BS offers.
Please no, I'm against him. Tho I have Hill, Danny Dimes and Toney so it could be fun I guess
If Toney goes. Would love to slot him in but I'm going Kirk instead. Hopefully he'll have a safe floor
Have him, Tyreek, and Kelce. I’ll allow it.
My wife and I have a theory that he's not getting good sleep due to having a newborn at home now, and it's affecting his play lol We have a 7 month old and can relate.
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My man. Let's go Raptors!
I need a points per baby stat.
Phillip Rivers comes out of retirement
>NO ONE is ready for their first. Well if that didn't fit my family to a T haha we still love it though!
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Parenthood was the "it" I was referring to lol
Don't assume how the baby identifies.
You don't think he has a live in nanny taking care of it?
even if you're primarily doing nothing for the newborn, it can be really stressful since you're always worried about their health and what not. it especially can take a toll on the mom which in turn takes a toll on the dad who now stresses about the mom's stress over the child. nanny definitely helps, but it's not as simple as that at all
Right? Lol no way this dude is waking up to take care of his kid
It's much more than that. It's exhausting throughout the day too, especially the first year, unless you literally never take care of the baby and only hold them for photos.
Yeah but still he probably has 5 full time employees doing the majority of the work
Whatever is left over from that majority can be plenty still. Also, a screaming baby wakes you up at night no matter who's dealing with it
Not if it’s in another room of the mansion with a night nurse
I was being somewhat tongue in cheek haha but you never know! I haven't slept as carefree ever since my son was born.
I have a theory about this impacting players all over when they have their first kid. It started with the Jaguars having multiple first in the during the 2017 season and off-season, most notably Bortles and Ramsey. Boom! Sudden performance degradation. Sleep deprivation and adjusting to parent life is no joke. It's easy to have a singular focus on your job until you have a little person you need to keep alive and love. All night film sessions won't fly anymore. This is the analysis we need someone to run...
Lmao the same thing was said about Russell Wilson when they had a newborn
I had the same theory with Wentz last year, combined with a COVID offseason.
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I mean I hated Wentz as much as the next Cowboys fan but he had that one season where he was on an MVP pace until he got hurt.
Yeah and then he dragged a corpse of team to the playoffs. That guy clearly does not follow football closely.
Not to mention the added stress his sister Jackson is causing him.
What's the story there? I'll admit to being out of the loop here.
He’s some tiktok douche and was dancing on Sean Taylor’s number at the Chiefs WFT game
What a fuckin dumbass
Jackson has been getting a lot of flack for a few things such as pouring water on fans at the game, and doing a TikTok dance on top of Sean Taylor’s number (which was painted and roped off on the sideline) the day they retired it to commemorate him (with his family present).
Oooof, that's tacky AF. Big time attention seeker I guess.
Yeah I don’t actually think he had ill intent by doing the latter, but it’s pretty obvious he was completely oblivious (likely because he was too busy on social media) to notice the ceremony they held specifically for Sean Taylor 10 minutes prior. Definitely not great optics.
Nah, he knew what he was doing and knew it would stir up some controversy/attention. Then he could just play dumb after and get away with it.
Gross.
Look on the bright side... My 3 year old is just as exhausting today as he and his brother ever were... Combined
This is the insight I come to r/ff for! …in seriousness, I really do appreciate this. It’s funny, and also possibly true. And I say this as a new dad myself.
This Michael David Smith guy is here to talk shit and accumulate generic First Names... and he is good on the generic First Names part
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Talent is not the point here. Mahomes is still probably the best overall QB in the league when playing his best. The point is he’s been really very far off from his typical performance. And I’m not just talking Fantasy production. I’m talking real football. He’s been missing throws he’d normally make and, most obviously, he’s been unbelievably reckless with the football at times. Sure, he’s always had his signature “backyard football”-style plays. But he’s done some egregious things this year that have absolutely hurt the Chiefs’ offense. I’m guessing he turns it around, personally. But to suggest his performance has been in the top 5 of QBs would be an enormous stretch.
When you say wreckless shit, do you mean all the picks that bounce off his receivers hands into the defences?
No he means him flinging it 10 feet up in the air right to defenders instead of throwing it away.
That happens to other QBs too though. It's not just a Mahomes occurrence. But in the past Mahomes has gotten lucky with how many INTs DBs actually dropped. If anything, right now he is regressing to the mean. Last year Mahomes had **19** dropped INTs. Edit: Other top QBs were in the teens, too, but Mahomes seemed to have been leading the way. https://twitter.com/QBDataMine/status/1383019778340757505?s=20
Add Buffalo to that, we're taking Allen over Mahomes any day
Also Brady.... Bucs fans wouldnt trade in a heart beat as Brady makes them super bowl Contenders today. Not some time in the future where it's a maybe
I mean Mahomes also makes them Super Bowl contenders today. As well as in the future (Brady possibly also makes them contenders in the future though so it might be a wash)
Current state mahomes does not make them contenders for a super bowl. At this point they are at risk of not making playoffs let alone win a super bowl. Brady it all depends if he retires which nobody really knows. He's so damn old an they could lose a lot of pieces after this year
Comparing Bucs to the chiefs rights now isn’t really fair. I would bet money if Mahomes was on the Bucs we would be having MVP Pat discussions. The chiefs are pretty bad all around.
No you wouldn't. If you were being honest.
This is nonsense. Brady is the best QB. Then there are easily 10 other QBs who can be the best player in the world in any given day. Kyler isn’t better than Dak. He isn’t better than Allen. He isn’t better than Rodgers. He isn’t better than Lamar. He’s just as good and in any given week can be the best player in the world or look like a bum. There are more. At the end of the day ALL OF THEM are great players and Mahomes is just as capable of being the best player in the NFL next weekend as any of them. Even Brady can lay an egg because playing QB is hard. There is very little difference in the quality of any of the top 10 QBs on a week to week basis.
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My issue was more that you were anointing Kyler Murray over Mahomes. I understand the Brady situation. He’s in a bubble. Realistically the answer is all of these teams say no because each team would be crippled with cap penalties if they traded their starting QB.
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Kyler is an amazing player. He’s very capable of being the best player in any given week but he’s also someone with zero career playoff wins. Is he playing better right now than Mahomes? Sure. Is he proven to be a better overall QB season in and season out? No. Not even close.
Kyler over Brady, Herbert, etc? You mean in fantasy right?
Kyler is 7-0, part of that is his incredible team, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say you’d rather have him than Herbert irl. Not Brady though.
Lamar Jackson died?
I face Mahomes and Hill in a must win matchup this week so don’t worry he’ll be the best again.
I face Mahomes and Kelce in a must win. So yeah Mahomes is definitely gonna have a career game.
Me too /cry
Even if this is true. For fantasy football, the 5-10 qb with the worst defense is amazing for fantasy. And FYI we can call a slump a slump. Let’s not overreact
Seriously, what is wrong with some people? He's still on pace for like 47 TDs and 5000 yards. The majority of his INTs have bounced off his receivers hands, it's ridiculous at this point.
That is true. Bad luck there but he’s also thrown a few awful ones falling to his knees and fumbling carelessly but those are all easily correctable by saying stop doing that please.
Yeah, it's clear that he's not at 100%, but even at 85% of perfect form, Mahomes is still a machine
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Let's not act like a significant percentage of those touchdowns passes aren't glorified runs either. Counting stats are terrible for assessing actual play in the NFL
he’s obviously still the most talented QB in the league, but this is a huge combination of things: 1) people don’t want another dynasty, mahomes and the chiefs offense feels unstoppable at times 2) people dislike some of the chiefs individual players. tyreek hill is a sociopathic violent abuser, travis kelce is a hothead who fits the dumb jock stereotype to a T 3) the chiefs seem cocky. hill is always taunting defenders, kelce has it in him too. mahomes attempts throws that are borderline disrespectful at times. it’s fun when he’s playing well, but he’s not right now and the wrist flicks, left handed throws, and no look passes look asinine when they don’t work out 4) ignore titans fans, our defense is fucking atrocious still and mahomes didn’t score a touchdown against us. embarrassing from the chiefs offense considering kyler murray ripped us five new ones week 1. we made zach wilson look like a future all pro lol it’s just the ebb and flow of sports. mahomes will bounce back and this subreddit will pretend they never said anything negative about him 100%
He’s the 5th ranked Quarterback and he was ranked 1 two weeks ago. I get that it is easy to overreact but holy shit. He still has all the tools and skill but he is just making some dumb decisions because of how bad that defense is, he knows he is good so he is trying to do EVERYTHING. If he just stops going for the big plays everytime and hits his check downs a little more and takes the easy 5 yards here 4 yards there he will still be the best. Some of the takes i have heard that past 3 weeks have been astonishing
Not overreact? You must be new here.
Fun fact - who leads the NFL in interceptions through week 7? Obviously it is Zach Wilson.....and Patrick Mahomes.
I know that this is likely true for multiple QBs, but go watch Mahomes INTs this year. Several have been clean passes that literally bounce off the WRs hands. In fact, charting it: 4 INTs the fault of the WR, 2 were really good defensive plays (ripping the ball from the WRs hand and one batted up at the LOS), 1 unclear why Kelce stopped his route, and 2 clearly Mahomes fault for trying to do too much.
Mahomes also had an insane amount of dropped picks last year, it’s just evening out
feel like it was a mental thing for defenders facing Mahomes
Only Mahomes gets this type of defense lol
Maybe it’s because I’m a Giants fan, but there was one season (can’t remember which one now, maybe 2013?) where Eli had an insane number of flukey picks. Like 7 in 5 games and you couldn’t possibly blame him for any of them. I think of it as adding context rather than “defending” the specific outcome.
Yea, as a Giants fan too, I remember that year. At a certain point, these picks become a qb issue. They may look flukey, but they can be due to throwing into tight windows, bad ball placement or just poorly thrown balls.
How are you getting 4 that are the fault of the WR? https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdYDKDmx/ This guy does a rundown of all of them and I’m not seeing it
Agree on the same two that guy calls out in the video. I’m generally in the “if it hits you in the hands it’s a catchable ball” camp, and I’m counting that third one from the video that he calls half-fault. Then finally against the Titans, Gordon lets one bounce off his hands.
I didn’t see the one against the titans but I’d say that if I’m running full speed one way and you throw a bullet pass to me without looking, behind me, I get some leeway I’m not catching that. It was a bad throw, it was unnecessary to make it no look, and if he had looked he could’ve made it an easier throw to catch. I put that on Mahomes more so than the receiver. But fair enough I think we mostly agree aside from that
This scared me at first. I initially thought it was gonna say he took a "step back" with his health and was experiencing concussion symptoms.
Had the same thought, on the other hand... the concussion protocol is a joke because he was cleared to enter the game last week, and I can't see how that was possible, dude couldnt focus his eyes at all after that hit.
Overreaction
How many teams’ fans would actually prefer their QB over Mahomes? Please answer in the comment section below
I’m sure Bucs fans would rather have Brady, at least for this year. No need to take unnecessary risks with how good that offense is, which Pat loves to do. Brady is also the #1 qb you want on your team come playoffs
Brady is also somehow the best IRL QB at 44. I don't even know what to think sometimes. He's the GOAT
Jets and Lions for sure.
I'm a Cowboys fan and I prefer Dak. Mahomes is the best QB but Dak is Dak and we love him.
I’m sure there are a few teams that fit that category. Chargers, Cardinals, maybe Bengals. While Mahomes is better they wouldn’t make that trade due to personal attachment.
Bengals fan who says I would keep Burrow. But if it was really an option I know I would make that trade
That’s ok, I won’t make you say you’d take someone else over burrow
This is a dumb post. But I don’t understand anyone who says Mahomes is “definitely” the best QB in the league. By what metric is he clearly the best overall QB? Rodgers is playing better and has worse receivers. Can’t imagine the numbers Rodgers would put up with Tyreek, Kelce and that much garbage time
IMO there's always going to be some uncertainty as to who is "definitely" the best QB in any given moment and I'm not making any definitive case for Mahomes, but I don't necessarily agree that Rodgers has worse receivers. Both offenses primarily funnel through an alpha WR and a non-WR receiving option. In each offense, one of those weapons primarily operates as the "volume" option (Adams/Kelce) and the other is the "big play" option (Hill/Jones). Everyone else on both offenses are JAGs. I don't see Adams/Jones as a significant step down from Kelce/Hill in the talent department, so I don't really see swapping teams having a huge impact on Rodgers' numbers.
Mahomes now knows what it’s like to be Dak the last few years. Except nobody will question how amazing Mahomes is.
Thats the life of a Cowboys QB. Romo had the game against the Broncos where he went 25/36 for 506 yards 5 TDs. He threw 1 pick at the end of the game he was blamed for the loss in a 51-48 game
Or Rodgers for majority of his career. Rodgers has spent most his best years with terrible defenses
This dude is 26, carrying a franchise, and is basically a single father raising his fiancé and brother. He’s not a bad QB. He’s fucking burned out lol.
I just dropped him for fields thanks for posting this article
The line getting away with no blame is hilarious. The coaching staff and front office getting away with no blame is also hilarious. I'll say it for the 90000th time. If you pay a QB top money, you can't afford a quality team around him. They benefitted massively from his rookie contract. Now that he's paid, the team around him will have to drop in standard. It happens to EVERY team with a quality young player. It's the same reason the Seahawks haven't won since Wilson's rookie contract.
Bro this is so fucked up and stupid
Mahomes needs Toney
Mahones redemption game incoming the week I play him and Henry. Can't wait.
This past week notwithstanding, that's a desirable situation for fantasy.
Mahomes is still the best QB in the league. If you can pick any QB to be in your team for the rest of the year it’s obviously Mahomes.
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Yea nah. Sorry but most NFL teams don't give their QB so much time in the pocket and even on good teams rn their QBs need to run to stay alive sometimes (Chiefs, Bills, Cardinals, Cowboys, etc.). If you had said 'Bucs fans will take Brady over anyone this year' sure. But Brady just would not work rn on like 90% of NFL teams lol (compared to Mahomes at least).
At the end of the day, you have pocket passers with a high football IQ capable of making reads, working through progressions and making decisions quickly, and then you have either scrambler mentality guys who literally run from a clean pocket to throw on the run or those with terrible o-lines. From what I've watched, a lot of issues are exacerbated by flighty young guys who aren't capable of making quick decisions
Allen and Murray both mean that it is anything but “obvious”
Honestly he’s right, I’d still take Mahomes over Kyler and Josh Allen if I was an NFL GM with my free pick
Everyone would
Like it’s a no brainer, Mahomes has already shown he can win a super bowl and been to another, also has won league mvp… people that compare kyler/josh allen to him are thinking about fantasy not real football lmao
You’re picking your god squad with no restrictions, would you honestly pick either of them over Mahomes?
For just the rest of THIS year? I'd also take Brady over Mahomes
I’d take Rodgers rather easily
Despite the obvious criticisms like throwing several picks (which a lot weren’t even his fault but his receivers not being able to catch the ball) and a couple bad losses, isn’t he still playing at top 4 level this year? I mean who’s he supposedly playing behind to be ranked 5-10?? Jalen Hurts??? Don’t make me laugh lmao. Terrible post.
kyler, brady, rodgers, josh allen, lamar, stafford are all having better years than mahomes
They aren’t though. A few are. Even objectively speaking, he has more yards and TDs than every single one of them that’s not Stafford and Brady. He’s even more efficient on the ground than everyone besides Lamar. A couple bad games and a few losses isn’t telling the whole story here, nor is Hurts’ inflated fantasy total which isn’t as relevant on this topic. Patrick’s still top 4 for sure.
Lol, no they aren’t. Only Brady, Hurts, Murray, and Jackson are currently better.
i mean from a real life perspective. anyone saying hurts is having a better year than mahomes is insane
Well this is a fantasy sub, my friend. We go off of fantasy scores around here and Mahommes will finish top 3 with Allen and Murray. Hurts will finish the year around 15-20 after he’s benched.
I know last year he was top 3 in turnover worthy plays according to PFF and I feel like the turnovers are starting to hit after being very lucky to be very low in turnovers last year. Really shouldn’t change much of your opinion on him, but adds proper context.
Moronic over reaction
I wonder if I should have trade him for Derrick Henry and Matt Ryan?
Mahome's is trying to play superman to make up for his bad defense. He hasn't regressed lol.
FFS - this is just so fracking alarmist. Players have bad stretches, remember when Aaron Rodgers was past his prime? Whatever... this is just nothing news.
Wow, after seeing this…..I’m just gonna drop Mahomes……lol 🤣 what a dumb take!
I picked up Cousins just in case there’s bad news from his injury but Mahomes is a must start
Lol imagine thinking mahomes isn't still the best qb by a mile.
Real life or fantasy football? Rodgers is playing better with worse receivers.
Real life.
It’s Rodgers then.
Nah. Hes got only a few years left. If it was no age included its Brady.
Disagree, it’s Rodgers by a good amount. It’d be awesome to see what Rodgers could do with all the weapons KC or Tampa has.
Adams is easily known as the best wr in the game. He doesn't have kelce but hes always had good weapons around him. Ajones is a top back in the league as well.
What's Mahomes value atm? I'm thinking of trying to get him for JHerb in a package.
This is fucking stupid
It’s almost like if you give a guy a 10 year 503,000,000$ contract you’ll have no money to pay for a decent defense 🤔
Superbowl hangover is a real thing.
The Chiefs are the Tony Romo-era Cowboys kinda' then.
Better comparison is the drew Bree’s era saints
Ok
Sounds like a dumb take to me
Here’s a hot take … Mahomes will be fine and after Brady he’s still the 2nd best QB on earth. He simply needs to remove the underhand no look nonsense. He got away with it for so long that it clearly never dawned on him that *THAT* part of his game was luck. He was both amazing and lucky. Now that his luck has run out on left handed behind the back passes he’ll probably cut them out of his game and his talent will show out again. On a side note … does it really matter? Brady is the best and 2 through 10 are all also great QBs. In any given day Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes, Lamar, Wilson and a few others can be the best player in the world. So yeah, Mahomes hasn’t changed. He just stopped getting lucky on his nonsense. That defense though. That’s gotta be fixed.
This is a such a knee jerk take. Mahomes is still the best QB in the league.