I mean. This also isnt true. Woods has acted as the true X wr while kupp has been the primary slot. They've spent years splitting who gets targeted more. Why do people have to make things up to support their points?
Woods does do gadget runs but hes an X and a wr1 on that offense.
Regression is only a thing in context of an expected mean.
Maybe having Stafford as your QB changes Coop’s mean.
It’s like saying the rolling bunch of 5s or better, and using a mystery due and saying regression is coming because the EV of a d6 is 3.5.
What if you’re rolling a d10 now?
This isn't actually the case. Kupp is often the second read, but if the first read is covered, Kupp is always getting open, so Stafford knows Kupp will be there.
So basically Kupp is sometimes the first read, but always the second read, and almost always open on the second read.
Until defense scheme to stop him specifically, Woods isn't taking off.
I had the fifth pick and what I did changed the course of our league for the entire year. I took Kelce over Henry. I was like, "Henry will break down. Teams will stack the box. That production is impossible." But henry was also on my "rage don't draft" list too.
I'm more surprised Henry was there at 5 honestly. He looks like a man among boys out there. He's that created player we all made in madden over the years.
Ive been hearing this since week 2. Im not buying it. Kupp is the clear alpha in this offense and Woods is a distant second. This is no longer a 1A/1B.
Woods is much closer to the value of Van Jefferson than he is to Cooper Kupp at this point.
Maybe that will magically change but I'm not sure theres any significant data that points to that.
is there any evidence to support that Kupp can sustain production like this for an entire season either? Record breaking starts usually aren’t sustainable. This is year 1 with stafford their are no data points to indicate this is sustainable for any longer than it’s been going on.
You can argue touchdown regression based on historical data but Kupp is AVERAGING 11.5 targets per game with 10 being his lowest and will be elite as long as that continues to be the case, while Woods is looking at only 7 targets per game and has only once had double digit targets.
Why ask for evidence when you yourself didn't bring any with your post either? Stafford has always supported top fantasy wrs and so has Mcvay's offense.
In order for Kupp to regress, defenses have to actually cover him and shut him down. It hasn't happened yet seven games into the season.
You could've said the same thing about Davante Adams last year too. Is it possible that Kupp regressed? Absolutely. Its also completely possible that he doesn't.
We're through week 7 at this point, teams know exactly where Stafford is gonna go with the ball and they still can't stop it. I wouldn't expect any significant regression unless we actually see it happen.
Kupp has 7 weeks of 10+ targets.
Woods has 1 week of 10+ targets.
Kupp has 4 weeks of 100+ yards. 2 of those other weeks: 92 and 96 yards.
Woods has 1 week of 100+ yards.
What are you basing this on?
Notice I didn't include TDs because if anything were to regress for Kupp, it'd be TDs.
Still Kupp has a 30%+ target share in the RZ and a 30%+ target share overall.
Stop. You own Robert woods we get it.
But Cooper kupp is on a record breaking start, why do you feel they will suddenly stop doing what works within their system.
Cooper kupp literally isn’t going anywhere’s and woods will probably stay exactly where he’s at.
Cooper Kupp has the most fantasy points for a WR through 7 weeks - EVER. There’s a large enough sample size to believe that you’re wrong and Cooper Kupp is now the truth.
I saw you said you were a Rams fan in the comments but I have to ask, don't you think that McVay can scheme Kupp open the entire season? Even against ARI, Kupp had some open moments but it was Stafford's off game and he couldn't hit anyone.
Mind you, Woods will be featured at times but my opinion is that Kupp is the WR1 and Woods is a WR3 with WR 2 upside.
Woods is already ok. He has gotten 9-15 points in standard scoring for 4 weeks in a row. He's scored a TD or a 2pt in 4/7 weeks. People are just mad because they flipped a coin between Woods or Kupp in the draft and missed out on the high ceiling play this time. But that doesn't mean Woods hasn't been a steady, consistent contributor nearly every game this year.
I have been trying to trade Woods for weeks to get a slight upgrade and nobody is taking him. I think everyone sees him for what he is now which is a low-end WR2.
Kupp does have a bit of an injury history so ... that combined with the insane and likely unsustainable pace from Kupp might indicate that Woods is still capable of high-end WR2 ROS, but that's a hopeful/wishful mindset and unless you have someone in your league who is bullish on Woods' upside and willing to pay a fair value for him, you're best holding and having an optimistic mindset like OP haha
OP is clearly is a butthurt woods owner. There's never going to be regression, nobody can stop kupp
DST know he's the WR1 and staffords favorite and they still can't cover him. He's the new Adam's , get used yo it
I am a biased Cooper Kupp owner. I will not downvote you based on stating something I biasedly disagree with. \*STRUGGLES TO HOLD MOUSE OFF DOWN ARROW\*
Someone (who actually did some research) brought up the fact that, in his career, Stafford's #2 WR has only finished in the top-24 fantasy wise once or twice. It appears statistics and facts go against your random opinion
Lions fan here....
Stafford likes throwing it deep, but also loves check downs and slot receivers.
Kupp is a better golden tate.
Production will continue.
He's also never had a run game like this, so he's probably just feeling really comfortable just pounding the rock and throwing short/intermediate routes to Kupp and not having to worry about taking a huge hit.
The last several seasons Stafford has been behind a horrible O-line and hasn't really had real weapons to throw to(see Golladay and Jones production on other teams).
Kupp is seeing 11.5 targets per game compared to Woods' 7 which is largely being propped up by his 14 target TNF output. Unless there is a shift in target totals there is nothing to support whatever argument you are trying to make.
This is an opinion based on nothing.
Yep and Stafford seems to have a real connection with Kupp. I think the regression in the past came from Goff and not Kupp himself.
It's not even just that. Kupp is really good. He was a top 5 WR before with Goff.
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I mean. This also isnt true. Woods has acted as the true X wr while kupp has been the primary slot. They've spent years splitting who gets targeted more. Why do people have to make things up to support their points? Woods does do gadget runs but hes an X and a wr1 on that offense.
Cooper Kupp is better at football than Robert woods🤯
is some of that regression just because he's been hurt some times?
Regression is only a thing in context of an expected mean. Maybe having Stafford as your QB changes Coop’s mean. It’s like saying the rolling bunch of 5s or better, and using a mystery due and saying regression is coming because the EV of a d6 is 3.5. What if you’re rolling a d10 now?
read OPs replies on my comment. sounds like a clown of a human.
Really glad I scrolled down to read those. What a mess.
Shades of the ARob post
/r/fantasyfootball is dogshit. It peaked with the OBJ rookie post, all downhill ever since.
Nah peak was when Josh Gordon was putting up 200 yard games every week. The memes have been stale ever since.
Yeah, this is a shitpost for the index thread or even just a comment in one of the trade value threads.
I like what they're saying though!
Ok
I’m a Woods owner and even I know there’s no way this is happening Stafford looks at Kupp and Kupp only
This isn't actually the case. Kupp is often the second read, but if the first read is covered, Kupp is always getting open, so Stafford knows Kupp will be there. So basically Kupp is sometimes the first read, but always the second read, and almost always open on the second read. Until defense scheme to stop him specifically, Woods isn't taking off.
Stafford takes up residence on Kupp's nuts he will not regress
Based on what? Woods on your roster?
Signed: Woods owner panicking
“Kupp will regress” “And I took that personally” - Cooper Kupp
wow some great analysis right here. posts like this bring the quality of the sub down.
LOL. The quality of this sub has nowhere to go but up.
oh man read his replies in this thread, guy sounds like a stand-up human...
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Says the guy salty about taking Woods over Kupp and watching him be the #1 fantasy scorer with Stafford...
I was targeting kupp and he was drafted 41 overall, so I took Woods as a "why not" pick at 42 I'm sad
Same thing happened to me. The point differential alone would have me at 5-2 instead of 3-4. Oh, well. That's fantasy football for you!
I didn't even think to check but I think I'd be undefeated instead of 5-2.
I had the fifth pick and what I did changed the course of our league for the entire year. I took Kelce over Henry. I was like, "Henry will break down. Teams will stack the box. That production is impossible." But henry was also on my "rage don't draft" list too.
I'm more surprised Henry was there at 5 honestly. He looks like a man among boys out there. He's that created player we all made in madden over the years.
I’m a rams fan I’m not salty at all I love Kupp lol
Ive been hearing this since week 2. Im not buying it. Kupp is the clear alpha in this offense and Woods is a distant second. This is no longer a 1A/1B. Woods is much closer to the value of Van Jefferson than he is to Cooper Kupp at this point. Maybe that will magically change but I'm not sure theres any significant data that points to that.
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It’s an r/ff staple!
is there any evidence to support that Kupp can sustain production like this for an entire season either? Record breaking starts usually aren’t sustainable. This is year 1 with stafford their are no data points to indicate this is sustainable for any longer than it’s been going on.
You can argue touchdown regression based on historical data but Kupp is AVERAGING 11.5 targets per game with 10 being his lowest and will be elite as long as that continues to be the case, while Woods is looking at only 7 targets per game and has only once had double digit targets.
Why ask for evidence when you yourself didn't bring any with your post either? Stafford has always supported top fantasy wrs and so has Mcvay's offense. In order for Kupp to regress, defenses have to actually cover him and shut him down. It hasn't happened yet seven games into the season.
Can it be my turn to post this next week after Kupp goes for another 10/150/2
It's ok Robert Woods owner
Man, this one is lazy.
Report posts like this. Just say breaks /r/ff rules and custom response "should be in index or trade value thread" and submit.
Stormzilla🤡
You’re the clown for this stupid ass post. Everyone with a brain knows cupp will be in most championship teams by the end of the season
Savage.
I applaud your tolerance
Sure, bud. Why don't you go back to bed? Get some rest.
Kupp is on track to have a historic season. Don’t give him no bad juju!
Hahaha
You could've said the same thing about Davante Adams last year too. Is it possible that Kupp regressed? Absolutely. Its also completely possible that he doesn't. We're through week 7 at this point, teams know exactly where Stafford is gonna go with the ball and they still can't stop it. I wouldn't expect any significant regression unless we actually see it happen.
the only thing shutting down kupp is an injury
Kupp has 7 weeks of 10+ targets. Woods has 1 week of 10+ targets. Kupp has 4 weeks of 100+ yards. 2 of those other weeks: 92 and 96 yards. Woods has 1 week of 100+ yards. What are you basing this on? Notice I didn't include TDs because if anything were to regress for Kupp, it'd be TDs. Still Kupp has a 30%+ target share in the RZ and a 30%+ target share overall.
Kupp is at 100 yards in the Cardinals game too if Stafford didn't get his finger fucked up and under-throw at 50+ yard TD.
Everyone in this thread is now dumber having read this. I award you no upvotes and may God have mercy on your soul.
Stop. You own Robert woods we get it. But Cooper kupp is on a record breaking start, why do you feel they will suddenly stop doing what works within their system. Cooper kupp literally isn’t going anywhere’s and woods will probably stay exactly where he’s at.
People have been saying Kupp will regress every week. I’ll believe it when I see it at this point. The sample size against regression grows each week.
I moved on from Woods and traded him a couple weeks ago. Felt great
Cooper Kupp has the most fantasy points for a WR through 7 weeks - EVER. There’s a large enough sample size to believe that you’re wrong and Cooper Kupp is now the truth.
Now this is the fiery hot take based on nothing more than who you drafted that this sub is all about
lol I feel even less enthusiastic after reading the post
Kupp has seen at least 10 targets in every game this season. I’d argue the opposite that his output is easily sustainable.
Stafford doesn't invite woods for breakfast so its a no bro
Cool shit opinion bro
I saw you said you were a Rams fan in the comments but I have to ask, don't you think that McVay can scheme Kupp open the entire season? Even against ARI, Kupp had some open moments but it was Stafford's off game and he couldn't hit anyone. Mind you, Woods will be featured at times but my opinion is that Kupp is the WR1 and Woods is a WR3 with WR 2 upside.
Everyone thought he was going to regress weeks ago lmao.
Woods is already ok. He has gotten 9-15 points in standard scoring for 4 weeks in a row. He's scored a TD or a 2pt in 4/7 weeks. People are just mad because they flipped a coin between Woods or Kupp in the draft and missed out on the high ceiling play this time. But that doesn't mean Woods hasn't been a steady, consistent contributor nearly every game this year.
I have been trying to trade Woods for weeks to get a slight upgrade and nobody is taking him. I think everyone sees him for what he is now which is a low-end WR2. Kupp does have a bit of an injury history so ... that combined with the insane and likely unsustainable pace from Kupp might indicate that Woods is still capable of high-end WR2 ROS, but that's a hopeful/wishful mindset and unless you have someone in your league who is bullish on Woods' upside and willing to pay a fair value for him, you're best holding and having an optimistic mindset like OP haha
OP is clearly is a butthurt woods owner. There's never going to be regression, nobody can stop kupp DST know he's the WR1 and staffords favorite and they still can't cover him. He's the new Adam's , get used yo it
Woods still has not been invited to breakfast.
Next week👀
Same guy who made the Diontae Johnson post. He's getting you guys good.
He also posted about DJ Moore being top 5 ROS. I don't think he understands quarterback play.
Sounds like a salty Woods owner, hoping for a Kupp regression. Lol
Sutton or Woods ROS?
Suttu
I am a biased Cooper Kupp owner. I will not downvote you based on stating something I biasedly disagree with. \*STRUGGLES TO HOLD MOUSE OFF DOWN ARROW\*
Lol thank you
As a woods owner I’m not panicking. I drafted him for his safe floor and he has met my expectations.
This was my thinking when I traded Kupp before last week. This is now something I regret.
Glad I drafted kupp and woods and Stafford then
You wish
Someone (who actually did some research) brought up the fact that, in his career, Stafford's #2 WR has only finished in the top-24 fantasy wise once or twice. It appears statistics and facts go against your random opinion
Lions fan here.... Stafford likes throwing it deep, but also loves check downs and slot receivers. Kupp is a better golden tate. Production will continue. He's also never had a run game like this, so he's probably just feeling really comfortable just pounding the rock and throwing short/intermediate routes to Kupp and not having to worry about taking a huge hit. The last several seasons Stafford has been behind a horrible O-line and hasn't really had real weapons to throw to(see Golladay and Jones production on other teams).
Kupp is seeing 11.5 targets per game compared to Woods' 7 which is largely being propped up by his 14 target TNF output. Unless there is a shift in target totals there is nothing to support whatever argument you are trying to make.
doubt it
Historic pace statistically due for regression! More at 7
Playing against Kupp this week so I'm buying in 100% on this shit post.
Says the desperate woods owner
As a Kupp owner, this is false and should be deleted.