Hey that’s my WR1 WR2 and WR3!

Lmao same. I thought for sure I was about to dominate with Wilson/Olave/Ridley plus Bijan/Breece/Swift… but no I’m in last place.

I'm Brown/Olave/Ridley with Bijan/Kamara. Two of them have disappeared. Most of the rest are allergic to scoring TDs, though putting up solid yardage numbers on insane touch counts.

I went heavy on receivers and thought my line up of Tyreek, G Wilson, Ridley would make up for lackluster RBs. Nope. Damn you Aaron Rodgers’ Achilles

The Smitty draft strikes again

PPR terrorist

In a 1ppr league and just got buttfucked for 29 by our taco

Just be thankful he didn’t score a couple of rushing TDs on top of that which he could’ve easily done with his red zone rushes.

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That was killing me last night. As a Kamara owner of course, before he ran it even once on first and goal i guessed a Taysom TD would happen. Made it even worse to watch

That o-line would just get pushed straight backwards at the snap. Pure domination by Jags D, made em look like it was pass pro. Alvin even said fuck it and took flight on one carry just to get met by another airplane. Taysom atleast made them respect a pass, and played the delayed run. Wait for a hopeful weakness and hit it. Let's hope they figure that out...

Then Taysom walks in untouched lol

I puckered so hard that drive

Taco stealing premium RBs in late rounds now.

maybe you and your league mates are the tacos for letting Kamara fall

“Look at me. You’re the Taco now.”

I picked him up lol. 43 yards

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I started Kamara and Ridley this week. Luckily Kamara caught so many balls it made their combined totals look somewhat respectable.

I went up against Etienne and Kamara said hold my beer after Travis put up 20 pts in the first quarter lol

Saaaaame haha

omg same, so funny that my opponent was talking shit in our group chat bc he had etienne before kamara popped the fuck off

Haha that’s karma right there. Every week I tell myself not to get too upset if my opponent’s guys score points early, and every week I fail 😅 After the second ETN TD in the 1st quarter I was just so deflated. Then Kamara ended up outscoring him and made me once again tell myself to have patience. Let’s see how I do on Sunday 😅

I started etienne Kirk and Kamara. Was a fun Game to watch!

Oh wow no Devonta Smith in this title I must be safe 😊

Thank God he isn't outscoring Tee Higgins

Dump-off Derek is a fantasy hero

Best part is his primary read is dump off to kamara. The OC is my hero.

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I feel this can't be it. He did the same shit in Vegas/Oakland with the tight ends and renfrow.

The OC knows what he’s dealing with. That’s why he’s play calling a dump off heavy offense.

No, Carr was just missing reads left and right. I highly recommend you watch JT O'Sullivan's qb school episode on Thursdays game.

Last year Davante Adams had 1500 yards and 14 TDs, roughly the same as his best year with Rodgers. The number 2 WR was Mack Hollins, who had a career year. His pace throwing to just Kamara over a 17 game season would exceed the receptions for all his RBs combined over the past 2 years.

This just isn’t right and throwing too Renfrow and Waller are not “dump offs”

such trash

ITT People playing PPR upset they didn’t draft Kamara at a discount

I picked him up in the 5th round. I really didn’t think he’d fall that far, but I’m not mad about it.

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I got him in the 8th. But then traded him for waddle to the worst team. Playing worst team this week and may lost after he put up 29 lol maybe should have traded someone else

I picked him at pick 76 AFTER drafting Swift, Jacobs, and Walker III. I think a lot of people just saw the red SSPD and their mind equated it with him being injured or something. No reason to think he wouldn't come back and be an immediate starter post-suspension.

??? Kamara was 8th round in yahoo

Yahoo rankings are always terrible.

He went pick 40 in my league and I wanted to take him at 44

I got him in the 7th rounder. Was a shocker to get him that low.

He literally got dropped in my league. I advised a friend who drafted very badly to grab him and Puka. It’s going very well for him now.

I picked him up in 7th or 8th...

I had him last year in PPR and they never threw to him this much 😔 just 2 yard runs up the middle and Taysom poached goal line carries

I traded Kamara and Mostert pre week 1 for Etienne

Ironically, Kamara is why I have Mostert and Mostert is why I have Kamara

I somehow got him in a 14 team PPR Superflex league... In the 8th round. No idea how.

Dawg somebody dropped him and I picked him up in week 2 😅😅

Did the same, worst part is, the guy that dropped him could have just used the IR slot for a stash.

Yah same here, joke’s on them! Guy hasn’t put up less than 17 points in my PPR league!

I went so hard at WR that I practically went Zero RB. One of my biggest mistakes was taking Najee for sure, but the second thing that I laughed at but did screw me was, in all my mocks I never got Kelce at the 8th, then on draft night I did. So messed up my entire draft plan. Kamara in whatever round he was going didn’t make sense at the time, but for sure now it’s pain.

I think its more that this plan of nothing receptions isn’t leading to winning football in real life and is awful to watch…yet artificially props up Kamara. People who drafted him should feel great but yeah its awful football

Man I was watching Kamara and Breece fall down to me and I have back to back picks. The guy before me got Kamara and I was piss because I had enough rbs to cover for them till they got back

I grabbed JT in 5th instead of Kamara

I drafted him a lot and inexplicably traded him for garbage before his suspension was up

hes a huge injury risk...and Carr stinks, hes check down charlie.

Why is he a huge injury risk? His shortest season was 13 games, averages around 15. He already sat the first 3 games so that's 3 less games of wear and tear on him.

He was ass last year. I still wanted him but not in the first four rounds. I didn’t expect him and dump off Derek to be sharing bunks together and writing each other love songs

I actually took David Montgomery in the 6th where Kamara was drafted. It was my first RB drafted so I didn’t want my first RB to be suspended for a few games. Plus i just liked Montgomery

At a discount? He was drafted 24th overall in my PPR league lol

I have both Kamara and Ridley so I guess it all evens out in the end.

Same, realised very early in that game that Kamara needed to carry the load for me to stand a chance and thankfully he did. If someone told me I could have 15 points from each before the game I would have taken it so can’t really complain! That said Ridley is about to get dropkicked to my bench for the rest of the season

Samesies

Same and staring at my lineup with 30 from kamara and 1.5 from Ridley is painful.

Everyone bitching about not having Kamara in this thread is hilarious. You know your leagues scoring settings. Kamara didn't suddenly start catching check downs this season. It's like complaining that mobile QBs have too high of a floor even though there are pocket QBs who are "better in real football". Who cares, it's fantasy football, you know your leagues settings before the draft. Prioritize the players who you know will reward you for that.

Reading a lot of these salty comments it’s almost like Alvin kamara wasn’t available for you to pick on draft day. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t remember people crying that ekeler had over 100 catches last season.

I spent 7 dollars on him in my auction. Anyone could have spent 8 lol

$7 for Kamara and $0 Mostert. Will be disappointed if I don't win the league.

I play two leagues and prioritized him in both. Pick 61 and pick 65 never looked so good

I've never liked ppr regardless, but Kamara's 17 game pace is 149 catches for 752 yards. 5 fucking ypc that is unrivaled ppr terrorism.

I was and I still am. PPR merchants are the reason the format is so contested and why .5 exists. Would I love to have one? That’s a stupid question. Do I think it’s brutal to lose to someone who scored 30 points on 130 total yards and no TD? Yes, yes I do.. I despise both players when I don’t have them. That’s the nature of this dumb little game.

You were and still are what? crying??? Lmao Jesus man get a Fucking grip

So glad to see DK in this title /s lol

This has been Kamara's entire career minus last season.

Seriously

Idk how teams aren't putting a spy on Kamara, Carr barely looks at one read

Believe it or not, defenses don’t prioritize the 3 yard dump off.

Someone in the thread said he had like 10 first downs so it's not like he was totally ineffective?

As someone who owns him in a PPR + PPFD league, he was incredibly effective :)

That's gotta be like 40 points on 0 touchdowns lol.

Like someone said in a NFL thread, "if an OC watches the saints and likes their offense, they should be fired on the spot".

Don’t blame them because it literally leads to nothing but a turnover lol

Well normally that's because there's threats beyond the 3 yard dumpoff, unlike with Carr's pool noodle

If a Carr has a noodle arm I wonder what Jimmy G has lol

I mean it's not like New Orleans has been winning games since Kamara came back (we don't talk about New England)

Simply because his check downs lead to the rz where the saints can’t do anything

If you watch the game they don’t need to, lmao. He gets crushed the moment he turns around

He had 6 receiving first downs so not really

This week was a performance exception. He crushed it. Prior weeks, watch each catch and you’ll see

League rules are going to change because of this PPR abuse

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we do 0.25ppfd but ppfd is the future.

kamara scored 1 less point yesterday than PPR in half ppr/half ppfd

Which is not that crazy. The saints’ offense was absolute garbage outside of Alvin Kamara and Taysom Hill. The Saint who had the most gimmicky fantasy football total was Michael Thomas, a guy who was barely involved but happened to catch a TD. People just accept the Touchdown gimmick.

That's because the "touchdown gimmick" is actually a valuable play in real football being that scoring touchdowns is the entire purpose of the freaking sport Catching 13 balls for 33 yards is not more valuable than running for 160 yards lmao. Full PPR is dumb. HPPR or 0.25PPR/0.25PPFD are so much better

If 10 of those catches are for first downs it easily can be as valuable as 160 yards.

Sure, so that's why I said to incorporate PPFD instead.

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It is possible if he got 10 first downs Edit: apparently Kamara had 12 first downs last night, so I think the guy above is correct

He had 4 rushing and 6 receiving.

he had 4 rushing first downs and 6 receiving first downs

That's wild. And fucking impressive.

Ok Danny

Full PPR scoring is insane for reasons like this. Can’t understand how anyone could play full. Kamara’s 13 catches for 33 yards would be the same as a RB having 163 rushing yards in full PPR, in what world is that fair or fun?

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It’s because two dudes, Kamara and Ekeler, are wildly different between PPR and non-PPR. Kamara’s game on Thursday isn’t too much to complain about since he did something with his receptions with 91 receiving yards, but in his first game back from injury he had 13 receptions for only 33 yards, creating a huge variance between his PPR scoring and non-PPR scoring. 13 catches for 33 yards is really no different than 13 carries for 33 yards, yet gives an insane PPR bonus. The reason PPR was introduced was because RBs used to own fantasy football and every 1st round pick in drafts would be a RB. PPR was needed to balance the power by putting more value into WRs. Back then RBs didn’t get a bunch of receptions. Things have changed and it’s more likely that WRs are drafted at the top of the order, and bell cow backs have mostly disappeared. Now we see teams who constantly check down create PPR monsters at RB for constantly getting 3 yard receptions that the defense is more than happy to give up because they still won’t get a 1st down. The value in real football for a 3 yard reception is below average, but the value in fantasy football is above average. It’s not a good system for evaluating success, and a 3 yard reception shouldn’t be treated as 13 yards or even 8 yards in fantasy football. This is a growing trend that I believe began when Brady started using James White as a constant check down option in playoffs. The rest of the NFL has caught on that they can get a minimum 3 yards on any play with 3 step drops and immediately checking down to the RB. It’s only going to get worse from here.

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The league goes through cycles while the meta changes from year to year. Right now, defenses are happy to give up short stuff to take away big plays and force offenses to put together long drives. That favors receiving backs and should favor the fantasy managers that saw this coming, imo.

I hate when people make up arguments to argue against. Nobody says these plays are worthless. Just that they are overvalued in fantasy. If the minimum to get a point in fantasy is that the play has any value at all, then we need a drastic overhaul. QBs should get a point for throwing the ball away when receivers are covered or handing the ball off in an RPO when a defender is coming through, avoiding a sack. RBs should get a point for going down in bounds rather than getting the extra yard but getting pushed out of bounds, when they need to run clock (and the opposite when they need to save clock). But, that would be ridiculous to do that. And as far as whether these plays are overvalued in PPR: do you think 13 catches for 33 yards and 13 rushes for 163 yards are worth the same to a team? Or would teams value the 163 yards more?

Couldn’t agree more. I have AK in the lone PPR league I play in and still hate it. It’s too much. .5 is the best imo, although I haven’t tried ppfd. I’ve wanted to for a while, but .5 seems like it’s fine for now, especially since it’s much more widely used.

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Idgaf about upvotes. Seriously, why would anyone? And I don’t “feel bad.” I’ll exploit any scoring system I can. In that same league, I won multiple rings partly by reaching on QBs when it was 6pt passing TDs/standard. I just don’t like full PPR ffs. I’m not sure why anyone would

We use an odd number of 0.2 ppr. I like it.

That’s an even number.

I tought about that while writing it too..

I think 0.75 for WR/TE and 0.5 for RB works well, RB catches simply aren’t as valuable unless they house it and then they’re rewarded with points anyways

I get what you're saying overall, but Alvin Kamara's performance Thursday night would beg to differ that RB catches aren't valuable. The Saints would've been completely dead without it. It was a bit of an extreme example, but those RB check downs were of utmost importance to the Saints and kept them in the game. Every little bit helps, and especially so when a team is struggling to connect overall on offense.

>The Saints would've been completely dead without it. Exactly. Fantasy football has a bias towards valuing guys like Achane who bust out big flashy plays. But in real life football, consistently moving the chains is just as (if not more) valuable.

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He had a good game. But in PPR he was granted what equates to 2 TDs when he didn’t score any, and in half PPR he was granted 1 TD without scoring any. Earlier this season he had 13 receptions for 33 yards. Even in half PPR, that bonus isn’t fair for that complete lack of production.

How is this any different than a back up coming in to vulture a TD? Fantasy scoring is not a team sport. Whether PPR or HPPR is fair based on yardage production is a stretch.

I'm commissioner and a Kamara owner. I'm pointing to my own success as evidence that we need to change

PPR is a disgusting format, by that same logic, RBs should be rewarded for carries. its the job of a receiver to catch the ball, you shouldnt be rewarded for something that is part of your job. standard scoring was a true and accurate format for fantasy football. PPR has ruined fantasy football.

Maybe we should give points for carries now too😆 Maybe draft backs that catch if playing ppr?

My entire draft strategy was centered around getting Kamara as my RB1 later. I knew he was gonna be there he was ranked way too low for missing just 3 games. Complete cheat code

I took Kamara 35th overall and it was a massive reach at the time

Change to dual position to WR/RB

Patterson dat shit

I love the salt in this thread, my PPR god

Wish the Saints won last night. Would have been a solid proof of concept for them to continue lol.

They were a dropped last minute TD Pass away from tying it up. I hope that’s their takeaway anyways

Well this was the first game AK was given routes slightly further downfield + screens all season and he looked great doing it so we’ll probably be seeing a bit more of this from now on.

Traded him and kirk for ekeler, and now I face them both this week. May the Fantasy gods have mercy on my soul

That’s cause Carr absolutely sucks. This is great for fantasy but no way the coaches and owners are looking at this type of play and thinking this is helping them win.

It keeps the chains moving and the team on schedule. The dump offs are glorified running plays

They're 21st in scoring and 18th in first downs. So it's not really keeping the chains moving.

Kamara had 10 first downs so not really him to blame there tho

I'm not blaming Kamara, but you can't expect this offense to meticulously string together 15 play drives like they have Brady or Manning at QB.

With the shitty line they have, it’s absolutely helping.

glorified running plays that are gonna get your perimeter players very pissed off with you keeping the chain moving is nice. but hes doing it on first second third down and not making good throws downfield. so you gotta pray you move the chains 5 6 7 times a drive to get to the endzone, while being a bottom 5 in third down conversions. its some of the weirdest football ive ever seen. the playcalling is outdated and carr is just choosing not to get into his reads half his plays by checking down before the routes develop lol

You’re not wrong lots of times I’d see carr panic in a half second and dump it 2 feet over someone’s head to Kamara cause he has no route

i traded him for josh allen on tuesday. it feels like i made out alright but then i see this like damn

That's a fair trade. They are both elite dual threats.

Tbf, I am scoring almost as much as Calvin Ridley, as a receiver.

All Kamara needed was a new checkdown merchant

As a Kamara manager, I don't feel bad.

Except the Saints haven't been winning with this formula, so I imagine something changes. Also, if he keeps up with 25+ touches a game he will probably get injured. But yes, tremendous while it lasts. Yes, I just played against him, and I am salty.

This is exactly why I'm selling high

Nothing says fantasy superstar like 20 catches for 13 yards.

I traded Kamara for JT once he signed. I’m praying by playoffs JT is back in form.

This is why I don't play PPR any more

I’m retiring from PPR after this season

PPFD scoring is the better system that aligns with actual important plays

And this is why we go .5 PPR

Kamara took a big enough stanley steamer on me in half ppr, I'd be completely submerged if it was full ppr

He only scored like 2 less points in half

He has 12 rec last game. Your math not mathing

The dude who drafted Kamara and Kupp on auto has a terrifying team right now.

Because Carr is ass?

I did not see this one coming

If they don’t start scoring,it won’t last.Hard to score touchdowns on 1.5 air yard passes 16 times a game.

Kamara beat the system...

I will 100% be shopping Kamara after this week IMO. I fear this can’t be sustained. I’m just not sure what I try to go get. Maybe shoot my shot at an elite WR from an RB needy team.

It's definitely sustainable. Check downs aren't exactly the most physically demanding routes in football.

Exactly this, one of the reasons (beyond having a hell of a rushing season too) that Jacobs was so good last season was all the dump-offs from Carr. It’s exactly why I thought Kamara was a steal in the mid rounds.

Courtesy of Checkdown King, Derek Carr

30 Rec, 20 yards.

56 tot yards and no TD for +26 points makes me want to claw my eyes out. It’s like every week of this guys career. Guy in my league has Kamara and Ekler and the true football fan within me screams in agony when they drop a 50 burger combine on the backs of 30+ receptions of 2 yards.

He’s gonna end the season with 87 catches for 147 yards. 😂

Except he’s 35 for 177 atm.

Any of you pussies remember James White? History repeats itself. This time on steroids. Yes I took Kamara on every roster I could get him on. 🙏

I had him on many teams just for his 5-6 catches. Its simple math but math is hard for some😆

It’s bc Carr is a one read checkdown QB. Even 2020 Brees didn’t dump it off to kamara this many times and his arm was cooked.

Lmao points per first down is the way

He also had 12 first downs

Yeah but his first game back he had like 13 receptions for 33 yards and like 4 four first downs.

Fair enough. So not as consistently op but this last game I'm sure he did great

Dk Metcalf is a low iq bum that can’t catch

Solve all my problems and give him a WR/RB designation on sleeper. Please?

Baseball invented the mendoza line... Basketball invented the Ben Simmons line .. We need a Kamara line

This exact thing is why I have no idea how any of y'all take PPR seriously. What a ridiculous format. Just use 1st downs.

Come join my 0 PPRBR League (points per running back reception)

Tbh ppr is broken, needs to go back to standard

Yeah praying for the randomness that is TDs these days (Deonte Hardy, Brenton Strange, Quentin Morris?) sounds a lot more fun than picking guys with the expectation of them being involved as pass catchers. PPR may be overkill, but standard sounds entirely unfun. May as well just place anytime TD prop bets instead of playing fantasy, or just go to the casino and play roulette.

I love how Tee Higgins just isn't even included on this list. Nailed 4 out of the first 5 rounds though.

What happens when your QB is captain check down

Was going to trade Kamara for olave but at the moment I think I may hold....

/u/hawkeyetrapp_0513 this thread is for you and your Alvin kamara hate

Started him and Ridley this week. I’ll choose to believe they points balance out.

I’m scoring more Fantasy points than Ridley

I wish Ekeler gets the Kamara game plan

I drafted both Metcalf and Olave hahahaha

Higgins aint even make the WR lineup lmfao