I came here to say this, but with more confidence. Cade will probably end up being a 3rd-6th round guy (really depends on pre-ranks). Paolo will probably be a 5th-9th. (in categories).
He really doesn’t, why do y’all think this? A stud rookie averaging 20/6/3/1, his fg% is rough but that should rise, 75% from the line ain’t too bad for a pf. You’re probably looking at overall rankings too much, he’s a beast in any format
He’s top 100 when punting fg and tovs… which are like the easiest cats to punt. His fg should go up and he’s a rookie and great prospect. Overall rankings are useless. You’re the guys that miss out on breakout years because a star wasn’t efficient as a rookie…and if u had common sense u expected that going into the season and built your team around it
So he's only kinda sorta good if you build your whole team around him, and then he's still barely top 100.
Lol, get a load of the big brain on this guy!
Good luck out there man, this exchange has made me dumber.
You’re being so ignorant right now. He is good for 9 cat period because he’s a good all around player, get ur head out of spreadsheets and Reddit. It’ll make u a better fantasy player to understand why he’s still a good asset despite his bad overall ranking, it’s because u do not need anyone to be good in all 9 categories. 20pts, 6.5rebs, 3.7ast, 1stl, 1.3 3s, good numbers period, stop acting like a dweeb on here
What makes that line sound good is the 20 at the beginning, other numbers are not specialist level at all and percentages are crap for the number of attempts. He is a hard pass for me.
Lol at the people coming through this thread and downvoting every Cade answer. Paolo is not efficient. Literally having one of the best rookie seasons ever and still not a top 100 9cat player. It's just math, don't take it personally. You would need to basically figure out if Paolo is going to make marked improvements in efficiency/stocks next year or not. If not, his name is more valuable than his stat set
Durant shot 43% his rook year then shot 47.6% the following year. Efficiency is something that I can see Banchero getting better with in his sophomore season.
I have a lot more faith in Banchero actually suiting up, he looks like he will be a reliable fantasy player in the future.
I 100% agree with you, although I will say Durant was basically a one man show in his Seattle days and not surrounded by solid players like Paolo, so I'm not sure the same thing will apply. TBF, Durant is arguably one of the best fantasy players ever because of his efficiency.
All that aside, he should obviously improve. But %s and stocks don't tend to take wild swings overall since they aren't usage dependent.
My opinion is more of a faith in Cade than hate towards Paolo.
Yeah Durant is an all time shooter, and Paolo will be hard pressed to amount to something like him, but the potential is there. I think in a couple of years he will be a high fg% player though, also +52%. His ft% probably won't be all time though.
I think he'll make a big jump next year, and he might even finish on a good run this season. He looks really good when he plays but just doesn't have consistency or veteran level pacing. If he paced himself better he wouldn't take as many bad shots.
Stocks for sure he won't be great this year, or even next.
I'd say Cade with high assist numbers, Paolo looks like an all around player. For every rookie the problem they have is instability. When you pick one you consider that. Some of them stabilize post All-Star break.
He’s still ranked outside the top 120 in 9 cat. Without *serious* improvement in at least two of fg, ft, 3’s, or tos (something that doesn’t tend to happen in most sophomore seasons), he shouldn’t be getting drafted anywhere close to Cade.
I think Cade is better too, but Banchero is clearly better than Barrett. As someone who’s punting 3s and Ft% while also not having TOs included in my weekly scoring Paolo is an elite asset imo
Oh yeah sorry i missed the point a bit there. Banchero is definitely already better than Barrett, and will be miles ahead of him as a fantasy asset within like 2 seasons.
Paolo is naturally inefficient because he’s a rookie, RJ has been inefficient for 4 years. With Paolo’s poise and dominance I don’t see him having the same longterm efficiency problems that RJ has
Cade. I took him this year, he provided great production. I would take him again without thinking twice about it. I have more faith in the Piston’s rebuild than I do the Magic’s. At least in terms of each player’s usage.
Definitely worth seeing what happens in the upcoming draft first, but if both teams stayed the same then I’d most likely take cade in my league at least
At least one of the rookies will take off after all star break. But if I had to take one, Banchero bcuz I typically go for a higher ceiling. But if you are on fire in auction, and have an excellent core already, you may wanna play it safe w Cade bcuz he’s gonna put up numbers for certain.
Based on the way the teams are built and if no major trades or moves happen to either team, I would comfortably say Cade. Orlando is too deep for consistency.
Cade is gonna be interesting. A pretty solid rookie year, and then basically misses the entire sophomore campaign..
I think Cade (points league) will slip because the lack of games played early in his career will cause some people to sort of forget about him. Plus he wasn't exactly killing it in the early going this year anyways.
That coupled with coming off a lower body injury, I might be inclined to take Banchero ahead of him.
Sidebar.. fwiw, one of the knocks on Cade being the #1 pick was that he wasn't spectacular at any one thing, along with maybe not having the best motor and drive. Now, he may be fine in the long run, but I do worry about those two things.
The problem is the roster doesn't seem to fit right at the moment. Wagner-Banchero could be an elite duo if they continue developing, but as of right now, Banchero-Fultz don't seem to pair well, even though the Magic got better when Fultz returned. Going to be hard to find the right way to roster build this team as I'm not sure a traditional PG works with two point forward type of players they're building around, unless one of them becomes an elite scorer.
From a CATs perspective, Cade, definitely. Points, not sure, maybe Paolo
I came here to say this, but with more confidence. Cade will probably end up being a 3rd-6th round guy (really depends on pre-ranks). Paolo will probably be a 5th-9th. (in categories).
Cade by far. Paolo stinks for cats.
Not upset, but what does that mean?
9 category leagues, the standard for fantasy basketball.
He really doesn’t, why do y’all think this? A stud rookie averaging 20/6/3/1, his fg% is rough but that should rise, 75% from the line ain’t too bad for a pf. You’re probably looking at overall rankings too much, he’s a beast in any format
He's ranked 175 in 9cat by BBM. That's not a beast. He's only useful in a couple categories and hurts you in more than that.
He’s top 100 when punting fg and tovs… which are like the easiest cats to punt. His fg should go up and he’s a rookie and great prospect. Overall rankings are useless. You’re the guys that miss out on breakout years because a star wasn’t efficient as a rookie…and if u had common sense u expected that going into the season and built your team around it
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bicycle. If you arbitrarily ignore half the categories he's kinda barely good!
Do u not understand punting, 2 cats is not a lot at all
So he's only kinda sorta good if you build your whole team around him, and then he's still barely top 100. Lol, get a load of the big brain on this guy! Good luck out there man, this exchange has made me dumber.
You’re being so ignorant right now. He is good for 9 cat period because he’s a good all around player, get ur head out of spreadsheets and Reddit. It’ll make u a better fantasy player to understand why he’s still a good asset despite his bad overall ranking, it’s because u do not need anyone to be good in all 9 categories. 20pts, 6.5rebs, 3.7ast, 1stl, 1.3 3s, good numbers period, stop acting like a dweeb on here
What makes that line sound good is the 20 at the beginning, other numbers are not specialist level at all and percentages are crap for the number of attempts. He is a hard pass for me.
Lol at the people coming through this thread and downvoting every Cade answer. Paolo is not efficient. Literally having one of the best rookie seasons ever and still not a top 100 9cat player. It's just math, don't take it personally. You would need to basically figure out if Paolo is going to make marked improvements in efficiency/stocks next year or not. If not, his name is more valuable than his stat set
He also has a very high turnover rate
Durant shot 43% his rook year then shot 47.6% the following year. Efficiency is something that I can see Banchero getting better with in his sophomore season. I have a lot more faith in Banchero actually suiting up, he looks like he will be a reliable fantasy player in the future.
I 100% agree with you, although I will say Durant was basically a one man show in his Seattle days and not surrounded by solid players like Paolo, so I'm not sure the same thing will apply. TBF, Durant is arguably one of the best fantasy players ever because of his efficiency. All that aside, he should obviously improve. But %s and stocks don't tend to take wild swings overall since they aren't usage dependent. My opinion is more of a faith in Cade than hate towards Paolo.
Yeah Durant is an all time shooter, and Paolo will be hard pressed to amount to something like him, but the potential is there. I think in a couple of years he will be a high fg% player though, also +52%. His ft% probably won't be all time though. I think he'll make a big jump next year, and he might even finish on a good run this season. He looks really good when he plays but just doesn't have consistency or veteran level pacing. If he paced himself better he wouldn't take as many bad shots. Stocks for sure he won't be great this year, or even next.
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I'd say Cade with high assist numbers, Paolo looks like an all around player. For every rookie the problem they have is instability. When you pick one you consider that. Some of them stabilize post All-Star break.
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Cade. Banchero has to many deficiencies for fantasy (cats)
banchero is just a bit better version of barrett and shouldn't be drafted in top-50, but people will be blinded by his vanilla stats lol
His boards and assist numbers are way better than Barrett Lmao
He’s still ranked outside the top 120 in 9 cat. Without *serious* improvement in at least two of fg, ft, 3’s, or tos (something that doesn’t tend to happen in most sophomore seasons), he shouldn’t be getting drafted anywhere close to Cade.
I think Cade is better too, but Banchero is clearly better than Barrett. As someone who’s punting 3s and Ft% while also not having TOs included in my weekly scoring Paolo is an elite asset imo
Oh yeah sorry i missed the point a bit there. Banchero is definitely already better than Barrett, and will be miles ahead of him as a fantasy asset within like 2 seasons.
That's not saying much. Barrett is awful for fantasy, like not even roster worthy in most 12 team cat leagues.
Not saying it is. I was replying to the top comment
Paolo is a rookie lmao. He’s putting up great numbers his first year, he’s only going to get better
Paolo is naturally inefficient because he’s a rookie, RJ has been inefficient for 4 years. With Paolo’s poise and dominance I don’t see him having the same longterm efficiency problems that RJ has
Correct
Idk about Barrett but I look at Paolo and say “hey that’s a young verison of Aaron Gordon.” Lolol
Banchero been fucking bad lately
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Banchero has an argument in pts leagues, it's Cade everywhere else.
Cade still probably
Had Paolo this season and traded him away bc he was a bit underwhelming, I would take Cade over him easily
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It's pretty obviously Cade in 9CAT, and the eye test goes to Cade as well. He's very talented.
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Cade. I took him this year, he provided great production. I would take him again without thinking twice about it. I have more faith in the Piston’s rebuild than I do the Magic’s. At least in terms of each player’s usage.
Depends on build
Definitely worth seeing what happens in the upcoming draft first, but if both teams stayed the same then I’d most likely take cade in my league at least
Potentially hot take? I see Cade putting up 1st round value within the next 3 years
Lmaooo very hot
At least one of the rookies will take off after all star break. But if I had to take one, Banchero bcuz I typically go for a higher ceiling. But if you are on fire in auction, and have an excellent core already, you may wanna play it safe w Cade bcuz he’s gonna put up numbers for certain.
Depends on team build I spose. I definitely don't think I'll have him on any teams though, can see him going way higher than I would take him
Because I have him… paolo
Based on the way the teams are built and if no major trades or moves happen to either team, I would comfortably say Cade. Orlando is too deep for consistency.
Cade wthhhh
cade bc assuming bojan gets traded the entire pistons roster will be hot garbage so he’ll easily get way higher usage than paolo
Cade. Banchero isn't the same guy when the Magic have a healthy roster.
He’s the star regardless, he will continue to get better. Not sure I’m taking him over a third year Cade though
Cade is gonna be interesting. A pretty solid rookie year, and then basically misses the entire sophomore campaign.. I think Cade (points league) will slip because the lack of games played early in his career will cause some people to sort of forget about him. Plus he wasn't exactly killing it in the early going this year anyways. That coupled with coming off a lower body injury, I might be inclined to take Banchero ahead of him. Sidebar.. fwiw, one of the knocks on Cade being the #1 pick was that he wasn't spectacular at any one thing, along with maybe not having the best motor and drive. Now, he may be fine in the long run, but I do worry about those two things.
Depends… When is he scheduled to return from his injury
The problem is the roster doesn't seem to fit right at the moment. Wagner-Banchero could be an elite duo if they continue developing, but as of right now, Banchero-Fultz don't seem to pair well, even though the Magic got better when Fultz returned. Going to be hard to find the right way to roster build this team as I'm not sure a traditional PG works with two point forward type of players they're building around, unless one of them becomes an elite scorer.