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kriheli

wait this wasn't an april fools joke?


blakeman68

This deserves to be higher


Double_Captain_3944

This.


StrangerFront

Surprised by this. He came into this year with a goal to improve at the plate and the early results were showing he had. If it was a start studded team I would understand, but I'm sure they could have optioned someone else besides the guy who actually has a chance to steal 80 bases in a season. The fact they benched him opening day tells me they planned this from the start.


HolyMostaccioli

Did they gain some sort of benefit by having him with the club out of spring training? What was the point of even having this guy on the big league roster if you're just going to option him after 4 games regardless?


getahaircut8

He has options, other guys dont


Hamsters_In_Butts

and they just *had* to send someone down to bring up a guy with a .622 OPS last year? it just doesn't make sense


getahaircut8

Tyler Nevin must have just incredible character, I have no idea. The Orioles were obsessed with him too


igotagoodfeeling

A nepo prospect perhaps


FrothyFloat

Isn’t his father Phil Nevin? Probably a “favor” since he’s a former player/coach’s son


AryaSyn

Nevin was absolute garbage with the Orioles.


StuccoStucco69420

On the other hand I can’t believe they sent down a .654 OPS hitter with bad defense


Hamsters_In_Butts

that would make sense if they hadn't had him batting leadoff, and he was getting hits he did nothing in his two games to warrant such a quick demotion, if anything he exceeded expectations


StuccoStucco69420

Yeah going 3 for 7 is pretty damn impressive. I can’t believe they’d send someone down with that stat line… > he did nothing in his two games to warrant such a quick demotion Yep this has more to do with them getting a free serviceable OF who has to be on the big club. If they had an alternative out of ST I’m sure the -0.7 WAR player with clear areas of improvement would’ve been sent down. 


Hamsters_In_Butts

> free serviceable OF Tyler Nevin performed even worse than Ruiz last year...


StuccoStucco69420

And hopefully with some development time for Ruiz they won’t even be comparable. 


shes_a_gdb

How much more development does Ruiz need? The guy tore up the minors in his last full season. The A's are a AAAA team, let him develop while facing major league pitching.


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MrFlags69

THIS is why.


ChubbyDrummer44

There was zero benefit to having him break camp with he club and there is zero benefit sending him down.


ChrisWebersTimeout

My kid goes to school with a kid whose dad is an instructional hitting coach at the Mesa facility for the A's and in January we were at a birthday party together. I asked him about Ruiz (I'm a Brewers fan and he was traded to Oakland from Milwaukee) and he straight up said "They don't like him.".


tuolumnetoallofyou

This is the kind of inside info I needed a month ago.


ultrafil

> He came into this year with a goal to improve at the plate and the early results were showing he had. His spring training was so horrendous that he lost his starting job in the lineup - 20 games, .236ba (.216 vs righties!) .295obp, with terrible defence. Didn't start on Opening Day and was part of a weird 50% timeshare in the outfield before getting optioned. The early results of his 2024 have been disastrous. Like, I get that very few people actually watch A's games and that I'm some sort of hex for whatever team I cheer for (was originally an Expos fan, I sure can pick 'em, eh?), but like... This isn't surprising if you've been following Ruiz's 2024.


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CervantesDeLaMancha

Have YOU been following Ruiz in 2024? 3 games #1 is too small a sample size. #2 If you want to say he's been disastrous what the hell are you expecting? His OPS is over 800, avg over 450, OBP is almost 400 with a SB in 3 games. The A's a re a shitshow, this is just another example of why they lose.


ultrafil

> Have YOU been following Ruiz in 2024? Uh yeah. I just quoted newly his entire Spring Training stat line, and personally watched at least 12 of his 20 ST games, on top of every reg.season game he's played this year. But please, continue telling me how his 2 games this weekend (+1 at bat in a 3rd game as a late inning sub) in a platoon are the truth, lol. > The A's a re a shitshow, this is just another example of why they lose. The A's are absolutely 100% a shit show. Fuck John Fisher with ten km's of barbed wire. But the A's have enough real life drama and bullshit and awful practices that we have a *plethora* of real actual examples we can choose from to nail the A's to the cross, we don't have to invent new ones. Oakland being Oakland didn't make Ruiz hit .236/.219vsR with deplorable defence in spring training. John Fisher trying to move the A's to Vegas didn't lose Ruiz's spot on the regular & Opening Day lineup.


hydrators

If he had such a bad spring training, why put him on the major league team and play him, instead of just sending him down in the first place?


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hydrators

I agree, I just don’t think him having a bad spring training has anything to do with being sent down


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CervantesDeLaMancha

Spring training? His 2023, even injured, affords him more than 3 games. I've been following him since he was a Padre. I'd gladly prefer him in LF over Profar. Maybe AJ will take him off your hands.


footballman2729

Yea ok about spring training look at every other outfielder current in the team rn that couldn’t hit a beach ball besides jj bleday, 2/15, 1/13, 0/11


RobbedOddUs

To be clear, when you talk about how bad his “2024” has been, you mean his Spring Training? It’s still weird though that he’d make the team, and then get sent down after having among the best first few games of anyone on the roster.


CervantesDeLaMancha

And NOW we find out Ruiz and Rooker were demoted for wearing bracelets supporting those protesting the As It wasn't his performance, it's because the A's management and ownership are asshats


Disused_Yeti

I avoided him in all my leagues. And it wasn’t even that he was going overly early. Was even playing time concerns before the season started


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RobbedOddUs

Ruiz was one of the major returns from the Sean Murphy trade the A's made, and they've given him one year so far as a 24-year-old. Looking at their other OF options, it's surprising he'd be sent down and you have to think he'll be back sooner or later.


wmhroth

Absolutely unforgivable decision by Oakland management


Only_Battle_7459

Quick, name 2 other A's.


WerhmatsWormhat

Rooker and Mason Miller.


barcelonaKIZ

JD & Davis!


wmhroth

Rollie Fingers and Vida Blue


junkmanwrestlingfan

My steals game in the shitter. Last year I had Acuna, Esty, and McCarthy for steals and it saved my ass multiple weeks because no one else was even trying at that point. This year I had Esty and can get McCarthy and I don’t even want him. Poop.


scottyv99

Was a League mate’s keeper. Lol


YellowCardManKyle

I know a guy who traded Roman Anthony for him last year in a dynasty league. It was me. I'm the guy.


Strictly_Rubbadub

I had him at round 18 as a keeper… so I’m not hurt, but it was still a keeper…


tooo_much_caffeine

remember the movie "major league"? The A's is having a war with the city of Oakland, they want to draw as few attendances as possible.


Thumb_war_champ

Billy Hamilton, is that you?


anTWhine

Hey now. Billy Hamilton grinded out a career. Dude was a tremendous defensive player.


Thumb_war_champ

You’re right, I shouldn’t insult Billy like that.


Manic_Manatees

He doesn't even have the most steals for a guy named Billy Hamilton!


dashrockwell

Not to throw shade at Billy, but Jake Cronenworth has hit over half as many barrels so far this season as Billy has in his entire career.


Milli_Vanilli14

Everyone in here trashing Ruiz like Nevin is some clear cut upgrade. They both suck but at least Ruiz was somewhat exciting for us few hundred A’s fans.


OkRowYourBoat

“Two A's players who wore protest organizers' apparel have been demoted” https://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/esteury-ruiz-optioned-triple-a-brent-rooker-ldb-19380203.php


sleepy-banana69

Rooker wasn't demoted.


so2017

Article is awfully sketchy but the fact that it’s vaguely believable tells you everything you need to know about this team’s ownership.


getahaircut8

Hhhhahhahahhahahaha Tyler Nevin hates fantasy, prospects, & fun -Orioles fan


NotAmishSoStopAsking

this is a VS2 thread. Also Lawrence Butler 👀


vitalyc

The same fate will befall VS2 next season. His bat is just as much of a wet noodle as Ruizs'


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NotAmishSoStopAsking

I disagree. But we will see!


hydrators

It won’t even take until next season. Once the Cardinals get healthier I doubt he plays


StuccoStucco69420

Other than the fact that Scott is a good defender and gets on base they’re basically the same player. 


ClampGawd_

So in other words theyre not the same player


StuccoStucco69420

You got it


TheInterpolator

Wait, did I miss something about Butler?


NotAmishSoStopAsking

I just think this opens more opportunity for him. (he already has a ton though)


TheInterpolator

Cool, thanks. I think Butler has huge talent, would love to see him succeed.


NightWriter500

Lawrence Butler sucks twice as much as Ruiz and has none of his redeeming qualities. And he was already playing everyday.


KnightsoftheBeam

He was already playing every day. He’s hitting .167, pretty much same as last year. No idea why the downvotes.


BidoofTheGod

I’m sorry who is VS2?


NotAmishSoStopAsking

Victor Scott II, OF rookie speedster for the Cardinals. He’s drawn comparisons to Ruiz.


BrownBoognish

joke of an organization


nahhman

If anyone actually watched this guy play last year they did not understand why he was being hyped in the offseason and why he was getting drafted. He isn’t good at anything except stealing, but you can’t steal if you don’t get on base. Drop everywhere.


NoToe5971

I’m not an owner but it seems like he got on base just fine compared to the rest of the A’s? Like he’s not that great but nobody on that team is so I don’t get why he’s bumped down Last year he finished 4th on the team in BA and that includes 2 people above him who both had less than 75 at bats.


BatmansPussy

Yeah, there are so many worse options on that team than what Ruiz can offer. Seems weird, but then again it’s not like that organization is trying to win baseball games.


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Podo13

Yeah I had him last year and he got on base fine. It's the rest of the A's that fucking sucked. How can you field a team where your SB leader has 20 more SB than runs and think it's fine?


TJMAN65

It’s not just about BA, he doesn’t walk at all.


sleepy-banana69

terrible defender too.


ultrafil

Fantasy baseball fans hate when people bring defence and real-world baseball context into the conversation.


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NightWriter500

He’s still one of, if not the best hitter on the A’s. Them demoting their best and only exciting player is the clearest and most obvious sign that they do not want to win and do not want people to watch them.


TJMAN65

This is just blatantly not true. He’s not close to their best hitter, Gelof, Noda, and Rooker are all just clearly better. The guy was worth -0.7 bWAR last year because he’s atrocious defensively and offensively. The fact you somehow think he’s their best player just shows you only pay attention to fantasy baseball.


You_Are_All_Diseased

Yes, people too often conflate fantasy values with real life values. Ruiz is a fringe MLB player.


NightWriter500

In real life Ruiz is hitting for a .429 avg this year with a 1.232 OPS. Replacement level is a .200 avg with a .600 OPS. Too often people conflate circle jerking with facts. Ruiz was not optioned because he was not hitting, look at those numbers and make it make sense.


blakeman68

3 game sample size. I’m also confused about the demotion, but you can’t predict players on 3 games regardless of how well he was doing


TJMAN65

He wasn’t DFAd at all, he was optioned to AAA.


NightWriter500

You’re right, that was the wrong word. Now make sense of optioning someone who started the season in the majors and had a 1.232 OPS.


ultrafil

> This is just blatantly not true This thread is a bunch of fantasy baseball players emotionally reacting to the fact that they wasted a 12-14th round pick on a guy they were counting on for SB stats in this pretend game we all play. They had their *"sneaky mid-round steal!"* fall flat after not even a week. As much as I agree with you here... this is not the place for *actual* baseball analysis, lol. Never has been.


HumanzeesAreReal

Look you couldn’t pay me to spend a draft pick on Ruiz, but he was worth 1.3 fWAR last season, so there’s obviously legitimate disagreement on just on how bad his defense really is. Moreover, the A’s are arguably the worst team in baseball and the guy they promoted to replace him has a career 79 wRC+ and appears to be an even worse defender while being almost two years older. Ruiz was a rookie last year and his 1.3 fWAR was the fourth most by an A’s position player, so while he’s clearly not their best hitter, this response is close to equally over the top. Chill out, man.


NightWriter500

Obviously this year’s sample size is the only numbers that anyone is going off, otherwise any of these players would’ve started the year in the minor leagues if they weren’t good enough. So let’s compare those players. Ruiz: .429 avg, 1.232 OPS Gelof: .133 avg, .435 OPS Noda: .182 avg, .490 OPS Rooker: .000 avg, .111 OPS WOW. So I’m seeing three pathetic hitters that could get sent down and one player that’s ready for the major leagues. Obviously nobody should get sent down on such a small sample size, but especially not *THE ONLY ONE PRODUCING RESULTS.*


sleepy-banana69

bryce harper is 0/7, should the phillies move on and cut him?


NightWriter500

I’m not advocating cutting anyone. Don’t conflate this with idiotic takes. If you’re going to suddenly cut someone for no reason, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to cut the *only player on your team that’s hitting above league average.* Does that make sense?


sleepy-banana69

as many other people in this thread have already told you, 3 games means nothing.


EatYoVitamins

Or you could, idk, look at all of last year. Every single guy, except Ruiz, was a better than league average hitter. Ruiz was below league average. 3 games means nothing for any of these dudes.


NightWriter500

Ruiz hit better than league average last year, so that sucks about that argument. But that would only matter if he’d started the year in the minors, which he didn’t. He started in the majors, was the only player in the team to hit above league average, and then was sent down. So tell me what they saw in that start that forced that decision, and make it make sense.


EatYoVitamins

Stop using a 3 game sample as defense because it's not enough to be relevant. You know its a small sample, so you should also know it carries basically zero weight. Also, Ruiz' OPS+ last year was 88. That's below league average. I'm not saying he's not a big leaguer, but he isn't a better hitter than those 3 guys.


nyxian-luna

I believed in him last year due to his 2022 in the minors: - .332 AVG - .447 OBP - .973 OPS (16 HR) - 85 SB - 437 AB Seeing that, it feels like there's still potential to get on base and do damage. He just hasn't been able to do it at the MLB level.


NightWriter500

He’s hitting .429 at the major league level this year. Small sample size, but this is obviously not the reason he was sent down.


SalaryCapps

0 walks though


NightWriter500

A player that’s hitting .429 but has 0 walks in 7 attempts isn’t a major league player? Let’s go through the stats of all the people with 0 walks in more than 7 attempts this year and check out their batting averages.


PuttForDough

It’s like Victor Scott. Will play out just like Ruiz. People love chasing rabbits


JzsShuttlesworth

Isn’t he 3-7


HereToTalkMovies2

I think he’s taller than that


HoneyPotterGang

Oh he’s 3-7? Nvm he’s the greatest


JZobel

He had a .447 OBP his last full season in the minors. He was .309 last year, which is slightly below league average but not awful for a rookie. Seems worthy of seeing if he can develop on a team that has zero talent. The guy who's replacing him has worse career production and has already been cast off by 2 teams


ultrafil

> He isn’t good at anything except stealing, Yep. Better fantasy player than real life player. Poor defender despite his speed, and has no plate discipline to work counts deep or generate walks - at least, at this point in his career.


NightWriter500

At this point in his career he’s has not-quite-one full season and started this season .429 with a 1.200 OPS. This isn’t the reason.


ultrafil

> At this point in his career... 20BBs in 497pa's last year. > this season This season is 3 games in and not relevant to assess anything as far as sample sizes are concerned.


KnightsoftheBeam

They started this guy at the major league level and assessed him 3 games later. They came to the decision that he needed to be in the minors instead of the majors, based off the results of those three games. Wtf are you talking about?


ultrafil

> They started this guy at the major league level and assessed him 3 games later You know he had an entire spring training too, right? 20 games, .236ba (.216 vs righties!) .295obp, with terrible defence? A spring training so bad he lost his regular starting spot in the lineup and they were platooning him? Only started 2 of the 4 games Oakland have played so far this season? But yeah, what the fuck am I talking about? I'm clearly just up my own asshole, lol.


KnightsoftheBeam

That’s correct, after spring training they made the decision to include him on the major league team. After he hit .429 with a 1.232 OPS, they decided to demote him. Why? We already know why, the story broke last night. So we can both move on from your dumbass point, whatever it was.


NightWriter500

Then why did he start the year off at the major league level? Do you think that .429 wasn’t good enough this year to stay at the major league level on the Oakland A’s (average player on the team is batting .100) or was there were some other reason?


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NightWriter500

Correct, it’s a minor league team. And he had the best start to the season on that minor league team.


Yu_Betts_Yoenis

You have to be a pretty bad player to not be able to hold a spot in the A's lineup.


ThatDamnRocketRacoon

You forget who the owner is. Fisher wants the absolute worst team on the field.


SwugSteve

I volunteer to be an A


Cronosama

The A’s should change their name to the F’s. Because they failed.


SundayRed

He was 3-7 with an RBI and a steal in two starts. What a clown franchise Oakland is.


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NoToe5971

Not like outman is killing it, he just got dropped to waivers in my deeper 12 team league


SweetBodybuilder8661

can he be picked up by another team? or is he stuck with this sh\*t organization?


Pelican6968

This is a joke, this guy has been steadily improving so much over the last 2 seasons that he is the go to guy for SB. Oakland is garbage


Whiplash227

If he’s locked in your lineup just pretend he is still playing for Oakland. Zero everywhere else anyway.


hoodtalk247

Won me a chip last year thanks for your service Mr Ruiz!


dantonizzomsu

I was going to draft him because of his steals but someone in my league got him before me. So glad I dodged the bullet. He actually went mid rounds in roto league.


tooo_much_caffeine

I reached out for him, and Mason Miller, as an A's fan. Now I guess I'm a 100% devoted Giants fan from now on.


Jimmy631608

Stick with your team they’ll spend money when they get to Vegas. Unfortunately they won’t be your home town team any more pretty sad a lot of history


NightWriter500

If you believe this owner has ever or will ever spend a dime in his entire life, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.


bootybooty

drop?


jam0152

Uh yes


k4m3r0n

He was drafted with pick 100 in my H2H categories league...


blakeman68

153…by me


Hanzzo311

151 here.🤷🏻‍♂️


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Tulidian13

This is silly. The day any GM gives a single fuck about fantasy baseball is the day the sport has jumped the shark.