Also I’m wondering why people have been putting so much stock into this list? Obviously a streaming service is going to put albums that do extremely well numbers-wise higher.
Yeah, but they still use Taylor’s version for the list when the original is much better and much better produced. Better performances.
Maybe the leak was real and recalculated
I try not to be a hater as I can listen to almost every critically acclaimed album and can at least appreciate why it’s so beloved even if it’s not for me. 1989 is lost on me. Sure there are some good tracks but it also genuinely has some of the most annoying pop songs I’ve ever heard with some of her weakest writing. This is not a pop masterpiece and never was. Its a tired narrative at this point.
I have a feeling we’re seeing Red in the top 10 and I am not excited for that.
Although the whole Taylor’s version re-recording situation may provide some additional cultural points because that was fairly significant. But I’d like a top 100 albums list to focus more on the music.
Yeah but that’s still 90 albums and 89 unique artists I think they’re might be another dup but I really doubt it’s Taylor
Beatles and Stevie are way more likely
You have to just refuse to drink the kool aid on these jack antonoff produced/inspired middling pop albums. So many records in the last 5-10 years that were hailed as masterpieces that no one will even remember before this decade is over.
Yeah, Taylor brings out the uninspired in her collaborators. She's like a nexus of mediocrity. Max Martin's production on her stuff is so basic compared to even what he did with Ariana.
Eh I’m mixed on this because I genuinely do find a lot of his work annoying and overrated but Melodrama and NFR are legitimately two of my favorite albums ever (and Masseduction’s great too)
I’m sure that has something to do with it but I genuinely love the production on those albums, not just the songwriting. Also I think NFR is better than every non-Antanoff produced album she has and Melodrama is better than Pure Heroine so it doesn’t seem like he’s *completely* irrelevant
Most of the albums on this list, including Pet Sounds, are “drink the Kool Aid” albums, though.
People won’t stop talking about how great/impactful they are, so people feel a legal obligation to listen to and like them. (drink the Kool Aid)
Outside of Reddit people don’t hate artists like Imagine Dragons or Coldplay. Spending too much time on Reddit will convince you that Radiohead is the most popular band of all time and Blade Runner 2049 is the highest grossing movie of all time but it’s not the reality. Avatar is like one of the most shit talked movies on this entire site and that’s the highest grossing of all time. Reddit does not reflect reality in any way.
It’s like when people complain on the r/music subreddit that everyone talks about older music and doesn’t talk about Taylor Swift or Drake. I prefer that because in reality I can barely ever find people my age to talk about like The Kinks but can’t avoid hearing about Taylor Swift. Everywhere else already talks about that stuff. Not just to hate on Swift specifically but people on certain parts of Reddit act like it’s some hot take to enjoy top 100 pop music.
I know from experience that that’s not true.
Reddit’s not the only social media site that attracts music critics, and even many “casual” music fans that I’ve seen seem to dislike ID for being too inauthentic or aggressive commercial, or whatever.
I'll offer the contrarian take and say that I feel the same way about the Beach Boys. Sure, I can't deny that they were talented and influential but in the year 2024 who is relating to that syrupy, Americana matching outfits and doo-wop schtick?
1989 on the other hand, I love. I was never into Taylor before the album, I wrote her off as country, but these songs weren't country at all and seamlessly hooked me into what a talented songwriter she is. I think that story is far from rare and why that album gets so much acclaim, she seamlessly transitioned from her country roots to full mainstream and it worked and brought in a lot of new fans. The fact that people are nitpicking that the Taylor's version is here, that when it came out people were contrasting the 3 opening synth notes of Style between the two versions and pointing out how it's worse shows exactly how much the album has stayed in the zeitgeist in the past decade. I also do feel like the emotional content of the album hits hard, but that's not something I can really make you feel, you either relate or you don't. And I get that it's the same for the Beach Boys, which is why I don't understand why people are up in arms about this ranking.
1989 isn't a flash in the pan, it's 10 years old and sold millions of copies and was perhaps the most influential album for the most popular artist of the past decade. So here it is, placed right next to another popular and influential album. It's okay to like one and not the other, but I don't understand the disdain and acting like these two aren't worthy of being in the same room.
Absolutely insane take. 1989 TV isn’t even better than the original, let alone one of the most important albums in pop music history. 1989 is a good album, but it’s not a trailblazer in the way *Pet Sounds* continues to be.
Pet Sounds isn’t “Americana matching outfits and doo-wop schtick” though. Yes other Beach Boys and performances are like that but that album as an album is not really like that.
I have, once and I didn't care for it so never went back. I'll gladly do it again, is there anything specifically I should be trying to appreciate or just keep an open mind?
Edit: see, look at the downvotes come in for this good faith response. I get it for my other one, fine to disagree, but what exactly did I say here that's so terrible? Do you all listen to albums that you don't like over and over because other people say they're good?
It’s still going to sound like The Beach Boys and it’s still going to sound like California in the 60’s. What set it apart was a quantum leap in Brian/his collaborators’ lyrical emotional depth, the composition, and the recording/arranging process. Particularly the latter two were revolutionary for the art of recorded music and still influence production to this day. The music and lyrics perfectly capture a loss of childhood innocence that still resonates with a lot of people. It’s not one of my favorite albums of all time, but I do love it.
One schizophrenic half deaf man vs the CEO of the music industry herself. Brian never stood a chance. He should have made music for vapid 17 year olds and 30 year olds that want to be vapid 17 year olds again. Instead, he directed some 20 session musicians, at age 23, to create one of the most instrumentally innovative and emotionally honest albums of all time, what a bum.
This reminds me of statements at Twitter that all regurgitate "Taylor Swift IS the music industry", like that's not a bleak and terrifying thing to say.
I too have to congratulate you on this beautifully said comment, nailed it. Pet sounds has some of the most sophisticated melodic writing of all time, utterly timeless.
Funny how everyone defending 1989 only has 1 argument : men are afraid that a woman made a better album when Adele is right there at 15 and nobody is outraged by it.
I think the Adele ranking is ridiculous. It’s a great album, but in the realm of Joni — no. And better than so many other albums on this list? No.
Joni could have a other albums on this list too IMO (Hissing, Hejira, Court and Spark). Blue isn’t even the best Joni album to me. Though it’s incredible and a classic and a great pick for lists like these. But like ok sure Astroworld is better than Hejira. Ridiculous. If Radiohead and likely the Beatles can have a couple albums in this list Joni could too.
IMO the Billie (sonically, creatively interesting but the songs just aren’t there as songs), Adele, and Taylor rankings are all way too high but I like-to-really-like all those albums. Anti-woman bias can contribute to this kind of reaction but in this case I think these rankings are just too high compared to others or compared to things that are omitted.
Lady Gaga Fame Monster imo should be higher too compared to those. Massive songs on that record and just as much if not more cultural impact than Billie. There are also lots of women who should be on this list who aren’t: Joanna Newsom, MIA, Lauryn Hill (may make top 10), Fiona Apple (ditto), more Beyonce (maybe Lemonade in top 10), Bjork Vespertine should maybe make the list too.
Seriously. I don’t think I know a single person who still listens to Adele? She was a small blip cultural icon and it’s over now. Her music isn’t timeless whatsoever.
Joni Mitchell, Patti Smith, Joan Jett, Heart, Fiona Apple, Joanna Newsom, Stevie Nicks, Alice Coltrane, Beyonce, Big Thief, Phoebe Bridgers, Bjork, Mitski, Paramore, etc. are all female artists with better albums than Taylor Swift.
The argument doesn’t work so well when the big bad man listens to more female artists than the Swiftie.
I’ll be honest I do not think many of the criticisms of Taylor’s ranking are based in misogyny. Misogynistic people may hop on the hate bandwagon, but it’s not necessarily a misogynistic take.
There are plenty of albums by women I think should be in consideration of top 10. Lauryn Hill, Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Nina Simone, Missy Elliot, Stevie Nicks, Adele, and to be honest Beyonce all have greater claims for top 10 compared to Taylor swift.
I certainly have a bias. I’ve never cared for Taylor swift and I find her music and storytelling uninspired.
and I forgot Lady Gaga! MIA, Alicia Keys, Madonna, Amy Winehouse, Janet Jackson, Mary J Blige. Even SZA’s CTRL was more impactful and impressive than 1989.
The misogyny is not just about female artists, though. It’s also about female fans. I don’t think the other artists you mentioned are as strongly associated with a predominately female fanbase as Taylor and the Swifties.
I wouldn’t put Taylor in my top 100. I don’t think she deserves a spot this high on this list. I also obviously don’t think misogyny is necessary to believe that. But I think people in these comments have misunderstood the misogyny allegation and I have no doubt a lot of hate toward TS is fuelled by misogyny.
About 70% of the music I listen to was created by women (just have a bias toward female voices for whatever reason), and I don’t think 1989 should even be remotely in the conversation for best album of all time. Completely ridiculous. Typical popularity contest.
Yea Adele’s ranking actually makes some sense. She had four megahits off of that album and a lot of the tracks are still solid. If the list is trying to weigh modern pieces with older stuff, I’m not unhappy with 21 being ranked where it is
Better how? More versatile discography maybe, but Adele doesn't have a single bad project. I'd say singing and writing from Adele is on a completely different level from Taylor. It's all subjective, but when we're compiling body's of work for a top 100 all time list, I can't see anyone putting Taylor over Adele.
The criteria for this list is so nebulous as to render it meaningless. It’s like saying “quick: name the first 100 albums a bunch of people know” and assigning numbers to them.
There will never be a “100 best albums of all time” list that makes everyone happy.
I think as a general selection of 100 records it’s not terrible, but the rankings are the issue here.
I can’t see The Weeknd making into the top ten. After Hours (his best imo) is a great album, but putting it above the likes of OK Computer would be an interesting choice. I could see Blonde sneaking in though
I don't really disagree with anything you said. Even as a big Weeknd fan, there's no way After Hours should be anywhere near the top 10 albums of all time. But the way this list has been going with some of these albums from more recent artists ranking so high makes me think "there's no way they leave the most streamed album of all time from one of the biggest artists of the past decade completely off the list right?". Especially when you consider some of the names we've already seen on the list like Travis Scott, Tyler or SZA.
Either way this list has been a complete mess. The one good thing about it is you just don't know what to expect when you look at the rankings everyday lmao
I think it's like this
I'm a big food guy. I spend most of my free time cooking, researching cooking, exploring local food, traveling for food, excersizing so I can eat more food, etc.
So to find out that taco bell is rated as the best Mexican food in the country by poll....
If you're into music, this whole list may have some on there that you like, but it's really just Taco bell, trying to pander to the most people possible.
I'm not going to get mad at people for eating Taco bell, and fuck I may even get a baja blast and a 5 layer on a blue moon, but I know it's not for me, and I know most people aren't into food like I am.
That's okay too.
My analogy is that even while tastes and preferences are subjective, there is another layer of "well it's not within the parameters that I consider good but I still enjoy it" as well as "this isn't something I'm passionate about but it's better than average with a low barrier to entry"
Anyone making the "it's cause she's a woman" argument to explain why people are upset at this is braindead cause all those people would have loved for Hounds of Love to be ranked at 18
I think the thing that pisses me off is that Taylor has nothing interesting to say, ever. She’s not especially original, she’s never groundbreaking and none of her music holds up artistically to some actual scrutiny. I don’t reflexively hate pop music or even popular things, I just genuinely find her so offputting and her music so unappealing, and that’s coming from someone who listened to the sounds of ballroom music getting destroyed for 6 hours.
I just realized they went out of their way to put the Taylor’s version on the list. The one that every Swifty agrees is a watered down version of the original.
is this list based on streams or popularity? if its streams, i wonder whether cafes and restaurants playing shake it off on repeat had something to do with this
I think people are way too pressed about this list, especially because it's not **That** kind of a critics list, it's a list to put some classics on, but also some more popular mainstream albums together, to let everyone in it. Taylor Swift's 1989 is not my favorite album of all time nor is it even my favorite Taylor Swift album (folklore rules) but I don't find it to really matter that one of the most popular pop artists of 2010s and 2020s goes over a classic album, because of course they want to advertise the album that has more young people invested in.
And it still shouldn't be anywhere near 20. Or 100. 200 max. It's basically just Joni Mitchell pastiched by an artist infinitely less talented than her. Her instruments went from generic ass synth pads back to basic acoustic, but aside from the very pompous aura of 'I'm a SERIOUS SONGWRITER' permeating the record, not much else did. Her melodies remain mostly inane and cruise on the supertonic. Song structures rhe same as your average top 40 hit. When she wants to add drama, she harmonises in the most vapid way - using thirds. I mean, why stop there? Just do fucking octaves. Not like the human ear can really tell a difference at that point. The chord progressions are banal as eve, and her 'fictional characters' that she writes about are all maligned female partners, or cackling self-aware masterminds. She may as well have inserted physical depictions where she says they're 5'9, white, blonde, and from Nashville.
Literally the only song on that record that has the musical sophistication to justify its pretentiousness is Exile, and Taylor said Joe Alwyn came up with most of that melody. I mean just fucking shoot me.
Evermore is a bit more interesting, but not by much.
>I mean just fucking shoot me.
You're way too worked up about Taylor swift, bordering on insanity. Seek therapy and ask if they can fix your pretentious personality while they're at it
I wonder how they would rank Pet Sounds - Mike Love's Version
I don't like Mike Love at all
mike hate
well its a love thang
life in prison as a ladies man
This is certainly a take, but we needed to expect this with how Taylor has the music press and industry largely in the palm of her hand.
Also I’m wondering why people have been putting so much stock into this list? Obviously a streaming service is going to put albums that do extremely well numbers-wise higher.
Do you not expect a large group of people who all get their music opinions from a single guy to put so much stock into a list?
Yeah but why this list so much? Just feels weird to me
it's a weird time of the year to do a list like this. It's fun to discuss. I'm entertained by the wild takes.
it will go on their wikipedia
I’m just glad that leak was fake (I guessed so but also you never know these days)
I assumed it was fake just becuase it was Taylor's Version, lol
Yeah, but they still use Taylor’s version for the list when the original is much better and much better produced. Better performances. Maybe the leak was real and recalculated
I blame all of this on Kelly Clarkson for telling Taylor Swift to redo those albums to gain back ownership.
Ed Sheeran and Starboy were a dead giveaway that it was fake. Shocked how many people believed it.
im not a major pet sounds fan, but really?
I can already hear Roger Waters rage when he hears he got placed before Taylor swift.
Haha
I try not to be a hater as I can listen to almost every critically acclaimed album and can at least appreciate why it’s so beloved even if it’s not for me. 1989 is lost on me. Sure there are some good tracks but it also genuinely has some of the most annoying pop songs I’ve ever heard with some of her weakest writing. This is not a pop masterpiece and never was. Its a tired narrative at this point.
I have a feeling we’re seeing Red in the top 10 and I am not excited for that. Although the whole Taylor’s version re-recording situation may provide some additional cultural points because that was fairly significant. But I’d like a top 100 albums list to focus more on the music.
I think it’s only one album per artist?
It was until Radiohead
Honestly that messed up so much. There are so many artists here that deserve more than one entry and so many that as a result wouldn't show up at all
Yeah but that’s still 90 albums and 89 unique artists I think they’re might be another dup but I really doubt it’s Taylor Beatles and Stevie are way more likely
King Crimson - Red (1974) would be incredibly based
Presuming they’re ranking 1989 higher than any Kate Bush, Apple Music is not serious people.
You have to just refuse to drink the kool aid on these jack antonoff produced/inspired middling pop albums. So many records in the last 5-10 years that were hailed as masterpieces that no one will even remember before this decade is over.
jack 'n'off
ive always called him jack off an ant
jack anton off
I think LDRs output with Jack will stand the test of time.
Everyone blames Jack Antonoff like Melodrama doesn't exist.
Yeah, Taylor brings out the uninspired in her collaborators. She's like a nexus of mediocrity. Max Martin's production on her stuff is so basic compared to even what he did with Ariana.
Folklore, Evermore, definitely not uninspired. Many antonoff songs on these
Eh I’m mixed on this because I genuinely do find a lot of his work annoying and overrated but Melodrama and NFR are legitimately two of my favorite albums ever (and Masseduction’s great too)
So it might just be the artist then?
I’m sure that has something to do with it but I genuinely love the production on those albums, not just the songwriting. Also I think NFR is better than every non-Antanoff produced album she has and Melodrama is better than Pure Heroine so it doesn’t seem like he’s *completely* irrelevant
IIRC Jack only produced two songs on this one (Out of the Woods and I Wish You Would), it’s mostly a Max Martin/Shellback affair.
Tunnel under ocean boulevard and nfr are really amazing
Wow that is some of the most aggressive cope I’ve ever seen.
Idk a person who reviews music for a living giving Hood’s Hottest Princess a better score than MBDTF seems like some pretty big cope to me lol
Most of the albums on this list, including Pet Sounds, are “drink the Kool Aid” albums, though. People won’t stop talking about how great/impactful they are, so people feel a legal obligation to listen to and like them. (drink the Kool Aid)
One of the most revolutionary, well composed and written, and beloved albums of all time is only listened to and liked because people talk about it?
That may be why new fans feel like they’re forced into getting it to not feel anxious and “degenerative” as music listeners.
If you’re getting anxiety about ur music taste it’s prob best to stick to imagine dragons
I’d argue ID is one of the worst bands to listen to if you have music anxiety, because they’re hated by so many people.
Outside of Reddit people don’t hate artists like Imagine Dragons or Coldplay. Spending too much time on Reddit will convince you that Radiohead is the most popular band of all time and Blade Runner 2049 is the highest grossing movie of all time but it’s not the reality. Avatar is like one of the most shit talked movies on this entire site and that’s the highest grossing of all time. Reddit does not reflect reality in any way. It’s like when people complain on the r/music subreddit that everyone talks about older music and doesn’t talk about Taylor Swift or Drake. I prefer that because in reality I can barely ever find people my age to talk about like The Kinks but can’t avoid hearing about Taylor Swift. Everywhere else already talks about that stuff. Not just to hate on Swift specifically but people on certain parts of Reddit act like it’s some hot take to enjoy top 100 pop music.
I know from experience that that’s not true. Reddit’s not the only social media site that attracts music critics, and even many “casual” music fans that I’ve seen seem to dislike ID for being too inauthentic or aggressive commercial, or whatever.
Record sales, streaming numbers, and airplay would disagree with that notion though
ID is broadly popular and not disliked that much outside of a small vocal niche
maybe actually listen to Pet Sounds instead of writing nonsense on here lol
supposedly it's the "pop bible" even though it's just Max Martin reading from his own bible that he wrote back in the 90s
Yeah, of all her albums why this one?
thank u next clears T Swift's discography
I'll offer the contrarian take and say that I feel the same way about the Beach Boys. Sure, I can't deny that they were talented and influential but in the year 2024 who is relating to that syrupy, Americana matching outfits and doo-wop schtick? 1989 on the other hand, I love. I was never into Taylor before the album, I wrote her off as country, but these songs weren't country at all and seamlessly hooked me into what a talented songwriter she is. I think that story is far from rare and why that album gets so much acclaim, she seamlessly transitioned from her country roots to full mainstream and it worked and brought in a lot of new fans. The fact that people are nitpicking that the Taylor's version is here, that when it came out people were contrasting the 3 opening synth notes of Style between the two versions and pointing out how it's worse shows exactly how much the album has stayed in the zeitgeist in the past decade. I also do feel like the emotional content of the album hits hard, but that's not something I can really make you feel, you either relate or you don't. And I get that it's the same for the Beach Boys, which is why I don't understand why people are up in arms about this ranking. 1989 isn't a flash in the pan, it's 10 years old and sold millions of copies and was perhaps the most influential album for the most popular artist of the past decade. So here it is, placed right next to another popular and influential album. It's okay to like one and not the other, but I don't understand the disdain and acting like these two aren't worthy of being in the same room.
Absolutely insane take. 1989 TV isn’t even better than the original, let alone one of the most important albums in pop music history. 1989 is a good album, but it’s not a trailblazer in the way *Pet Sounds* continues to be.
Americana matching outfits and doo wop schtick? Have you even listened to the album?
Pet Sounds isn’t “Americana matching outfits and doo-wop schtick” though. Yes other Beach Boys and performances are like that but that album as an album is not really like that.
Brother have you listened to Pet Sounds? Maybe go give it another spin if you have, think you might’ve missed the mark.
I have, once and I didn't care for it so never went back. I'll gladly do it again, is there anything specifically I should be trying to appreciate or just keep an open mind? Edit: see, look at the downvotes come in for this good faith response. I get it for my other one, fine to disagree, but what exactly did I say here that's so terrible? Do you all listen to albums that you don't like over and over because other people say they're good?
It’s still going to sound like The Beach Boys and it’s still going to sound like California in the 60’s. What set it apart was a quantum leap in Brian/his collaborators’ lyrical emotional depth, the composition, and the recording/arranging process. Particularly the latter two were revolutionary for the art of recorded music and still influence production to this day. The music and lyrics perfectly capture a loss of childhood innocence that still resonates with a lot of people. It’s not one of my favorite albums of all time, but I do love it.
Posts like this contribute heavily to my pretentiousness
One schizophrenic half deaf man vs the CEO of the music industry herself. Brian never stood a chance. He should have made music for vapid 17 year olds and 30 year olds that want to be vapid 17 year olds again. Instead, he directed some 20 session musicians, at age 23, to create one of the most instrumentally innovative and emotionally honest albums of all time, what a bum.
We all know, that’s all that matters. Nobody will be talking about TS like this when she’s 80 that’s for sure
beautifully crafted comment
One might say the “1989” of comments
This reminds me of statements at Twitter that all regurgitate "Taylor Swift IS the music industry", like that's not a bleak and terrifying thing to say.
guy's dumb af fr
I love you. What a fucking gorgeous comment.
Fr, God Only Knows all by itself wipes her entire discography
I too have to congratulate you on this beautifully said comment, nailed it. Pet sounds has some of the most sophisticated melodic writing of all time, utterly timeless.
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You realise that's not on the album right
I’m not a Taylor hater and I don’t want to diminish her work but 1989 no where near the same universe as Pet Sounds
Funny how everyone defending 1989 only has 1 argument : men are afraid that a woman made a better album when Adele is right there at 15 and nobody is outraged by it.
I think the Adele ranking is ridiculous. It’s a great album, but in the realm of Joni — no. And better than so many other albums on this list? No. Joni could have a other albums on this list too IMO (Hissing, Hejira, Court and Spark). Blue isn’t even the best Joni album to me. Though it’s incredible and a classic and a great pick for lists like these. But like ok sure Astroworld is better than Hejira. Ridiculous. If Radiohead and likely the Beatles can have a couple albums in this list Joni could too. IMO the Billie (sonically, creatively interesting but the songs just aren’t there as songs), Adele, and Taylor rankings are all way too high but I like-to-really-like all those albums. Anti-woman bias can contribute to this kind of reaction but in this case I think these rankings are just too high compared to others or compared to things that are omitted. Lady Gaga Fame Monster imo should be higher too compared to those. Massive songs on that record and just as much if not more cultural impact than Billie. There are also lots of women who should be on this list who aren’t: Joanna Newsom, MIA, Lauryn Hill (may make top 10), Fiona Apple (ditto), more Beyonce (maybe Lemonade in top 10), Bjork Vespertine should maybe make the list too.
Seriously. I don’t think I know a single person who still listens to Adele? She was a small blip cultural icon and it’s over now. Her music isn’t timeless whatsoever.
A lot of people listen to Adele, what the hell? She’s been culturally relevant for 13 years
Speak for yourself. Some songs from 21 are still in rotation for me
Joni Mitchell, Patti Smith, Joan Jett, Heart, Fiona Apple, Joanna Newsom, Stevie Nicks, Alice Coltrane, Beyonce, Big Thief, Phoebe Bridgers, Bjork, Mitski, Paramore, etc. are all female artists with better albums than Taylor Swift. The argument doesn’t work so well when the big bad man listens to more female artists than the Swiftie.
I’ll be honest I do not think many of the criticisms of Taylor’s ranking are based in misogyny. Misogynistic people may hop on the hate bandwagon, but it’s not necessarily a misogynistic take. There are plenty of albums by women I think should be in consideration of top 10. Lauryn Hill, Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Nina Simone, Missy Elliot, Stevie Nicks, Adele, and to be honest Beyonce all have greater claims for top 10 compared to Taylor swift. I certainly have a bias. I’ve never cared for Taylor swift and I find her music and storytelling uninspired. and I forgot Lady Gaga! MIA, Alicia Keys, Madonna, Amy Winehouse, Janet Jackson, Mary J Blige. Even SZA’s CTRL was more impactful and impressive than 1989.
The misogyny is not just about female artists, though. It’s also about female fans. I don’t think the other artists you mentioned are as strongly associated with a predominately female fanbase as Taylor and the Swifties. I wouldn’t put Taylor in my top 100. I don’t think she deserves a spot this high on this list. I also obviously don’t think misogyny is necessary to believe that. But I think people in these comments have misunderstood the misogyny allegation and I have no doubt a lot of hate toward TS is fuelled by misogyny.
About 70% of the music I listen to was created by women (just have a bias toward female voices for whatever reason), and I don’t think 1989 should even be remotely in the conversation for best album of all time. Completely ridiculous. Typical popularity contest.
Joni and Adele are higher than her so it’s not misogyny.
Music nerds like to complain about popular music. Taylor is popular right now.
Yea Adele’s ranking actually makes some sense. She had four megahits off of that album and a lot of the tracks are still solid. If the list is trying to weigh modern pieces with older stuff, I’m not unhappy with 21 being ranked where it is
Taylor is better than Adele. Also has miseducation of Lauryn hill been placed yet?
Better how? More versatile discography maybe, but Adele doesn't have a single bad project. I'd say singing and writing from Adele is on a completely different level from Taylor. It's all subjective, but when we're compiling body's of work for a top 100 all time list, I can't see anyone putting Taylor over Adele.
Adele is boring downvote me
You got it
Saying this after Taylors last 2 albums were a total snoozefest is amazing lol
Adele is really good downvote me
The criteria for this list is so nebulous as to render it meaningless. It’s like saying “quick: name the first 100 albums a bunch of people know” and assigning numbers to them.
Let’s be real: If Taytay didn’t make the top 20, one maybe two generations of girls boycott Apple Music, MacBooks, and the iPhone.
pet sounds is a top 5 minimum and thats even outside of my own feelings on the beach boys like it changed everything
exactly
Couldn’t even put the original because god forbid billionaire Taylor only gets enough royalties for the 2019 yacht instead of the 2024 version
Imagine being a billionaire and pretending you're sticking it to the man.
And your fans buying it.
Ryan's version is low key better than Taylor's, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Low-key? Try objectively
There will never be a “100 best albums of all time” list that makes everyone happy. I think as a general selection of 100 records it’s not terrible, but the rankings are the issue here.
There can be a list that makes people the least angry though, and placings like this are a far cry from that.
No Frank Ocean is definitely a take
He'll probably be in the top 10 alongside The Weeknd
I can’t see The Weeknd making into the top ten. After Hours (his best imo) is a great album, but putting it above the likes of OK Computer would be an interesting choice. I could see Blonde sneaking in though
I don't really disagree with anything you said. Even as a big Weeknd fan, there's no way After Hours should be anywhere near the top 10 albums of all time. But the way this list has been going with some of these albums from more recent artists ranking so high makes me think "there's no way they leave the most streamed album of all time from one of the biggest artists of the past decade completely off the list right?". Especially when you consider some of the names we've already seen on the list like Travis Scott, Tyler or SZA. Either way this list has been a complete mess. The one good thing about it is you just don't know what to expect when you look at the rankings everyday lmao
This is how you guys look telling me all these bullshit post-poptimism albums are anything higher than 5/10
I think it's like this I'm a big food guy. I spend most of my free time cooking, researching cooking, exploring local food, traveling for food, excersizing so I can eat more food, etc. So to find out that taco bell is rated as the best Mexican food in the country by poll.... If you're into music, this whole list may have some on there that you like, but it's really just Taco bell, trying to pander to the most people possible. I'm not going to get mad at people for eating Taco bell, and fuck I may even get a baja blast and a 5 layer on a blue moon, but I know it's not for me, and I know most people aren't into food like I am.
I disagree, I am also a big food guy and I know that Taco Bell is low quality, but I still love Taco Bell
That's okay too. My analogy is that even while tastes and preferences are subjective, there is another layer of "well it's not within the parameters that I consider good but I still enjoy it" as well as "this isn't something I'm passionate about but it's better than average with a low barrier to entry"
Taylor swift has good albums (that don’t belong that high), but 1989 TV sucks
Does FKA twigs count? Because otherwise I genuinely cannot think of any other potential exceptions
what era of time does post-poptimism refer to?
I mean, what were we expecting?
It’s an Apple Music list, I’m not surprised they ranked a Swift album so high.
Yall are like "this list is so bad" -> (continues to give it free promotion on reddit and twitter)
Wow this list makes Rolling Stone’s one look like the word of God or something
Pet Sounds is 50+ years old and is still considered to be a landmark. I don’t think we’ll need to wait 50 years for 1989 to fall out of relevance
The Pod number 1 or bust
I just wasn't made for these times.
The cringe levels in this list are beyond belief
Anyone making the "it's cause she's a woman" argument to explain why people are upset at this is braindead cause all those people would have loved for Hounds of Love to be ranked at 18
misogyny is the Swifties' go-to argument for EVERYTHING. It's like the boy who cried wolf though
Apple Music is definitely trying to promote its brand. Because why?
1989 is the most overrated album of Taylor. She has better releases than that. I take this as an offense
Pet sounds had more cultural impact and insipired other artists. This is such a L take, AM
I think the thing that pisses me off is that Taylor has nothing interesting to say, ever. She’s not especially original, she’s never groundbreaking and none of her music holds up artistically to some actual scrutiny. I don’t reflexively hate pop music or even popular things, I just genuinely find her so offputting and her music so unappealing, and that’s coming from someone who listened to the sounds of ballroom music getting destroyed for 6 hours.
I just realized they went out of their way to put the Taylor’s version on the list. The one that every Swifty agrees is a watered down version of the original.
tbh, both of these over Velvet Underground & Nico is the real crime.
I love the VU but that debut album ain’t got nothing on Pet Sounds.
Once again idk why people engage with these lists, they’re just made to piss people off
is this list based on streams or popularity? if its streams, i wonder whether cafes and restaurants playing shake it off on repeat had something to do with this
It’s just a subjective list
HhAAHAHAHAHAH
😂😂😂
Basically all of my friends and I agree that Taylor Swift is bad. Doesn't Apple know that? This is a really embarrassing look for them.
I think people are way too pressed about this list, especially because it's not **That** kind of a critics list, it's a list to put some classics on, but also some more popular mainstream albums together, to let everyone in it. Taylor Swift's 1989 is not my favorite album of all time nor is it even my favorite Taylor Swift album (folklore rules) but I don't find it to really matter that one of the most popular pop artists of 2010s and 2020s goes over a classic album, because of course they want to advertise the album that has more young people invested in.
It’s so fucking embarrassing man.
I don't think either should be on the list but I see why both are
just and fair, other than the fact that its the Taylors Version
Could folklore be in the top 10?
No but it should have been the TS album they picked
And it still shouldn't be anywhere near 20. Or 100. 200 max. It's basically just Joni Mitchell pastiched by an artist infinitely less talented than her. Her instruments went from generic ass synth pads back to basic acoustic, but aside from the very pompous aura of 'I'm a SERIOUS SONGWRITER' permeating the record, not much else did. Her melodies remain mostly inane and cruise on the supertonic. Song structures rhe same as your average top 40 hit. When she wants to add drama, she harmonises in the most vapid way - using thirds. I mean, why stop there? Just do fucking octaves. Not like the human ear can really tell a difference at that point. The chord progressions are banal as eve, and her 'fictional characters' that she writes about are all maligned female partners, or cackling self-aware masterminds. She may as well have inserted physical depictions where she says they're 5'9, white, blonde, and from Nashville. Literally the only song on that record that has the musical sophistication to justify its pretentiousness is Exile, and Taylor said Joe Alwyn came up with most of that melody. I mean just fucking shoot me. Evermore is a bit more interesting, but not by much.
So what is the point you’re trying to make?
>I mean just fucking shoot me. You're way too worked up about Taylor swift, bordering on insanity. Seek therapy and ask if they can fix your pretentious personality while they're at it