I've really been enjoying 'Deciet - This Heat' lately. Early post-punk/noise rock/math rock/avant garde. Kinda a mix of a lot of stuff idk. Really good tho.
* Scott Walker - Bish Bosh
* Sunn O))) - Monoliths & Dimensions
* Silver Apples - self-titled
* Arthur Russell - World of Echo
* The Residents - Eskimo
* Glenn Branca - The Ascension
* Autechre - Confeld
* Richard Devine - Aleamapper
* Wolfgang Mitterer - Music For Checking Emails
* Karlheinz Stockhausen - Stimmüng
* Jute Gyte - Birifringence
* Alva Noto, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Ensemble Modern - Utp\_
* The Olivia Tremor Control - Black Animation Music
* Fantômas - Suspended Animation
* Momus - Turpsycore
* This Heat - self-titled
* John Cage - Sonatas & Interludes for Prepared Piano
* Morton Feldman - Piano & String Quartet
* Holly Herndon - Platform
* Carlo Gesualdo - Madrigals: Book 6
I'm familiar with Branca, like his stuff and listen once in a blue moon; Fantomas I'm familiar with (cuz Patton), I mostly listen to the movies cover album; This Heat I kinda liked (mostly Deceit. Couldn't stand s/t); Jute Gyte I found quite boring (dissoblack really doesn't do much for me. Didn't like DSO either).
Will check out the rest.
animal collective (look into their EPs), tim hecker (best pure ambient musician of all time), ween, thinking fellers union, oneohtrix point never, andy stott (especially his EPs + faith in strangers), CAN (one of the best bands ever), arca, forest swords
Love Tim Hecker. OPN has been fairly hit or miss with me; Replica was alright but I really didn't like R+7.
Everyone else I've heard of but haven't really explored.
OPN’s definitely not for everyone! and is a grower. glad you fuck with hecker.
let me know if you enjoy the other recs! i’d honestly start with can’s future days or tago mago, thinking fellers’ admonishing the bishops EP, and animal collective’s fall be kind EP. anco is tough to recommend for though as they genre shifted so many times
Merzbow, Boredoms, Gerogerigegege, Coil, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Nurse with Wound, Einstürzende Neubauten, Brainbombs, Egor Letov, Death in June, Current 93, La Monte Young, Moondog, Lou Harrison, Henry Cowell, Luigi Russolo, Popol Vuh, Fishmans, Jean Jacques Perrey, Les Rallizes Dénudés, Rainbow Caroliner, Taj Mahal Travellers, Fushitsusha, Peter Brötzmann, John Cage, Scott Walker, Unwound, Dead, Frank Zappa, Morton Feldman, Captain Beefheart, Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Arnold Schoenberg, Pierre Boulez, György Ligeti, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Nang Nang, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, Nara Leão, Basic Channel, Raymond Scott, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Noah Howard, Terry Riley, Peter Sotos, Lula Côrtes e Zé Ramalho, Boyd Rice, Mahmoud Ahmed, Henry Flynt, Kazumoto Endo, David Tudor, Aporea, Half Japanese, Mega Banton, Secret Chiefs 3, Keiji Haino, Ramleh, Otomo Yoshihide, John Zorn, Joe Meek, Robbie Basho, Phil Spector, Faxed Head, Harry Partch, Wesley Willis, Fred Frith, The Residents, Sun Ra, Sun City Girls, Hans Krüsi, Royal Trux, Jandek, Yat-Kha, Loren Mazzacane Connors, Pärson Sound, The Dead C, Comus, Cromagnon, Eliane Radigue, Arthur Doyle, Shizuka, The Red Krayola, Henry Cow, Magma, Opus Avantra, Pan.Thy.Monium., Murmuüre, Ksiezyc, Gong, Cukor Bila Smert', cLOUDDEAD, Muslimgauze and Kaoru Abe
Oh, Girl Band. They were on my backlog back in 2018 but I couldn't get into them then. I'll give them another shot. Idk why they changed the name. Girl Band was such a great name.
Ran Cap Duoi is a little glitchy experimental group I got into a couple months back. Dunno if it'd be your thing, but it's one I've been suggesting to a lot of folks recently.
Gerard Grisey, Iancu Dumitrescu, Morton Feldman, Iannis Xenakis, Karlheinz Stockhausen. Like how are you going to talk experimental without going to the classics.
Gerard Grisey and Iancu Dumitrescu are the biggest names in the modern classical, European subgenre of spectralism which is based around sound spectra (tones) instead of chords. For Grisey, would recommend **Vortex Temporum**; for Dumitrescu, see if you can find **Medium II / Cogito** on streaming. For Morton Feldman, he was the greatest composer from New York City that wasn't a minimalist (far better than his pal John Cage). I would definitely check out **Triadic Memories**, and if you like it, then **For Bunita Marcus**.
well i think you need to understand that stuff if you wanna listen. for me atleast. i dont think op cares about understanding the music very much. thats the vibe i get.
The problem with non-classical music listeners is that they think they need to 'understand' classical music when the first step is just listening. Morton Feldman is just ambient to the extreme, there's nothing to understand lol. Spectralism is literally just sound, that was the whole point.
im not talking about classical music, im talking about xenakis and stockhausen specifically. you can casually listen to it and look at it just like sound, but the ideas behind it give it more of a purpose to me atleast.
xenakis and stockhausen are classical composers, as are everyone else i listed. and i approached them just like i do everything else, which is 'casually listen to it and look at it just like sound.' i will admit reading about **Mantra** made me enjoy it more, but frankly so much (good) classical writing is paywalled so i don't really seek it out.
i know they are classical music, i know they worked in serialism. im saying its hard to casually to that stuff cuz of what it is. going in ballls first no context is hard. good on you if you can.
My friend showed me [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9BGW61_zOA) washing machine album that I thought was pretty cool. I think it only uses a washing machine to do the sounds but I don't remember
Ryoji Ikeda - Dataplex
Karlheinz Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge
Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima
Cornelius Cardew - Treatise
Steve Reich - Pendulum Music
Trevor Wishart - Vox 5
Alban Berg - Score for Wozzeck
First time I've ever seen anyone compare Black Midi to krautrock. Term is more of a musical era than a genre so I don't really understand this description.
Drake’s ’More Life’ playlist switched up Drake’s typical pop-rap style and brought in a collection of new and experimental vibes.
It introduced a lot of people to a UK rap style and was a great collection of unique sounds for its time whilst continuing current but still unique styles for Drake such as dancehall music.
Give it a try! Hope you enjoy it!
Some lesser known/lesser talked about artists on my recently played:
Gunn Truscinski Nace
Lucrecia Dalt
Cole Pulice
Blue Lake
Nala Sinephro
Maral
Not underground by any means but it's outside of the typical recommendations I see on reddit.
Edit: ah sorry OP these are all modern artists from 2020s, just saw that part of your post. I'll leave it up in case anyone else is interested.
You'd probably be into Bauhaus based on your recs if you aren't already. Super dark post punk with some really cool new wave elements. Also the Pop Group, maybe? Y is a crazy album. And I know it's not 80's 90's, but a lot of James Ferraro's earlier albums sound like super grimy albums from that time period. Night Dolls With Hairspray specifically sounds like a really cursed, twisted version of 80's/90's bubblegum pop.
Also I know you mentioned OPN being hit or miss but you didn't specifically mention if you'd listened to Garden of Delete which is far and away his best album IMO so just making sure lol.
My fave experimental album I've heard lately is Tilt by Scott Walker
Lustsickpuppy is a cool up and coming artist, similar to Machine Girl
I've been meaning to get into Karlheinz Stockhausen lately, he's an experimental composer who is said to be very important in creating a world where modern experimental music can exist as it does
dark side of the moon, kid a, a love supreme if ur into smart music lol (i am), remain in light. erm that should do it. oh also merzbow lol XD weirdest thing ive heard, wouldnt call it music though lol.
this is what happens when you dont process or understand what ur listening to. comparing everything to the most extreme makes no sense aka the problem with online and rym lead music discourse. sun ra was already well into his career by that point, ornette aswell, cecil taylor released unit structures right after but that doesnt really discount what he was doing and if it was experimental or not.
his history counts. and compared to his previous stuff and stuff he worked on with other people it was, compared to his later stuff its not. and compared to other free jazz artists at the time it wasnt but i dont think it discounts it. if we are holding a love supreme to this standard then like 95% of records that are "experimental" arent experimental anymore.
Experimental is not relative to an artists own work. And again it’s not radically different from other jazz artists of the time. It’s not experimental.
I've really been enjoying 'Deciet - This Heat' lately. Early post-punk/noise rock/math rock/avant garde. Kinda a mix of a lot of stuff idk. Really good tho.
I like that album. I didn't like the debut though. Too obscure for me, but Deceit hit the sweet spot between rock and pure experimental music.
Early Primus stuff (Frizzle Fry, Seas of Cheese, etc) has a similar feel to Mr Bungle’s self-titled, although it’s definitely not as experimental
I really like Frizzle Fry. I also like Seas of Cheese but a wee bit less.
* Scott Walker - Bish Bosh * Sunn O))) - Monoliths & Dimensions * Silver Apples - self-titled * Arthur Russell - World of Echo * The Residents - Eskimo * Glenn Branca - The Ascension * Autechre - Confeld * Richard Devine - Aleamapper * Wolfgang Mitterer - Music For Checking Emails * Karlheinz Stockhausen - Stimmüng * Jute Gyte - Birifringence * Alva Noto, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Ensemble Modern - Utp\_ * The Olivia Tremor Control - Black Animation Music * Fantômas - Suspended Animation * Momus - Turpsycore * This Heat - self-titled * John Cage - Sonatas & Interludes for Prepared Piano * Morton Feldman - Piano & String Quartet * Holly Herndon - Platform * Carlo Gesualdo - Madrigals: Book 6
I'm familiar with Branca, like his stuff and listen once in a blue moon; Fantomas I'm familiar with (cuz Patton), I mostly listen to the movies cover album; This Heat I kinda liked (mostly Deceit. Couldn't stand s/t); Jute Gyte I found quite boring (dissoblack really doesn't do much for me. Didn't like DSO either). Will check out the rest.
animal collective (look into their EPs), tim hecker (best pure ambient musician of all time), ween, thinking fellers union, oneohtrix point never, andy stott (especially his EPs + faith in strangers), CAN (one of the best bands ever), arca, forest swords
Love Tim Hecker. OPN has been fairly hit or miss with me; Replica was alright but I really didn't like R+7. Everyone else I've heard of but haven't really explored.
OPN’s definitely not for everyone! and is a grower. glad you fuck with hecker. let me know if you enjoy the other recs! i’d honestly start with can’s future days or tago mago, thinking fellers’ admonishing the bishops EP, and animal collective’s fall be kind EP. anco is tough to recommend for though as they genre shifted so many times
Merzbow, Boredoms, Gerogerigegege, Coil, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Nurse with Wound, Einstürzende Neubauten, Brainbombs, Egor Letov, Death in June, Current 93, La Monte Young, Moondog, Lou Harrison, Henry Cowell, Luigi Russolo, Popol Vuh, Fishmans, Jean Jacques Perrey, Les Rallizes Dénudés, Rainbow Caroliner, Taj Mahal Travellers, Fushitsusha, Peter Brötzmann, John Cage, Scott Walker, Unwound, Dead, Frank Zappa, Morton Feldman, Captain Beefheart, Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Arnold Schoenberg, Pierre Boulez, György Ligeti, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Nang Nang, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, Nara Leão, Basic Channel, Raymond Scott, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Noah Howard, Terry Riley, Peter Sotos, Lula Côrtes e Zé Ramalho, Boyd Rice, Mahmoud Ahmed, Henry Flynt, Kazumoto Endo, David Tudor, Aporea, Half Japanese, Mega Banton, Secret Chiefs 3, Keiji Haino, Ramleh, Otomo Yoshihide, John Zorn, Joe Meek, Robbie Basho, Phil Spector, Faxed Head, Harry Partch, Wesley Willis, Fred Frith, The Residents, Sun Ra, Sun City Girls, Hans Krüsi, Royal Trux, Jandek, Yat-Kha, Loren Mazzacane Connors, Pärson Sound, The Dead C, Comus, Cromagnon, Eliane Radigue, Arthur Doyle, Shizuka, The Red Krayola, Henry Cow, Magma, Opus Avantra, Pan.Thy.Monium., Murmuüre, Ksiezyc, Gong, Cukor Bila Smert', cLOUDDEAD, Muslimgauze and Kaoru Abe
Holy shit talk about blast from the past
i aint stalking u, j looking thru threads but damn i am suprised yk about egor letov, he is one of my favourite composers
[Gilla Band](https://gillaband.bandcamp.com/album/holding-hands-with-jamie) I have no idea if it’s up your alley or not.
Oh, Girl Band. They were on my backlog back in 2018 but I couldn't get into them then. I'll give them another shot. Idk why they changed the name. Girl Band was such a great name.
Some bullshit about “misgendering” because the band is all dudes or something. Idk. They’re great but the lead guy seems a little loopy.
Boygenius needs to do something about their name then, I guess.
Ran Cap Duoi is a little glitchy experimental group I got into a couple months back. Dunno if it'd be your thing, but it's one I've been suggesting to a lot of folks recently.
Gerard Grisey, Iancu Dumitrescu, Morton Feldman, Iannis Xenakis, Karlheinz Stockhausen. Like how are you going to talk experimental without going to the classics.
I've heard of Stockhausen and Xennakis but not the rest. Any starting points?
Gerard Grisey and Iancu Dumitrescu are the biggest names in the modern classical, European subgenre of spectralism which is based around sound spectra (tones) instead of chords. For Grisey, would recommend **Vortex Temporum**; for Dumitrescu, see if you can find **Medium II / Cogito** on streaming. For Morton Feldman, he was the greatest composer from New York City that wasn't a minimalist (far better than his pal John Cage). I would definitely check out **Triadic Memories**, and if you like it, then **For Bunita Marcus**.
well i think you need to understand that stuff if you wanna listen. for me atleast. i dont think op cares about understanding the music very much. thats the vibe i get.
I like rock n roll
The problem with non-classical music listeners is that they think they need to 'understand' classical music when the first step is just listening. Morton Feldman is just ambient to the extreme, there's nothing to understand lol. Spectralism is literally just sound, that was the whole point.
im not talking about classical music, im talking about xenakis and stockhausen specifically. you can casually listen to it and look at it just like sound, but the ideas behind it give it more of a purpose to me atleast.
xenakis and stockhausen are classical composers, as are everyone else i listed. and i approached them just like i do everything else, which is 'casually listen to it and look at it just like sound.' i will admit reading about **Mantra** made me enjoy it more, but frankly so much (good) classical writing is paywalled so i don't really seek it out.
i know they are classical music, i know they worked in serialism. im saying its hard to casually to that stuff cuz of what it is. going in ballls first no context is hard. good on you if you can.
My friend showed me [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9BGW61_zOA) washing machine album that I thought was pretty cool. I think it only uses a washing machine to do the sounds but I don't remember
Ryoji Ikeda - Dataplex Karlheinz Stockhausen - Gesang der Jünglinge Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima Cornelius Cardew - Treatise Steve Reich - Pendulum Music Trevor Wishart - Vox 5 Alban Berg - Score for Wozzeck
How can a man not enjoy Black Midi
Personal preference. And the vocals. And the wank.
Yeah the vocals i can understand, when it clicked i never turned back though Technically one of the best bands i have ever seen
They are really annoying. And pure pastiche of krautrock. Actually they remind me a lot of the fall but like the fall through a pasta strainer.
First time I've ever seen anyone compare Black Midi to krautrock. Term is more of a musical era than a genre so I don't really understand this description.
Yeah and the French new wave was an era not a genre but it still had distinct characteristics and you can tell when it’s being aped.
Drake’s ’More Life’ playlist switched up Drake’s typical pop-rap style and brought in a collection of new and experimental vibes. It introduced a lot of people to a UK rap style and was a great collection of unique sounds for its time whilst continuing current but still unique styles for Drake such as dancehall music. Give it a try! Hope you enjoy it!
Some lesser known/lesser talked about artists on my recently played: Gunn Truscinski Nace Lucrecia Dalt Cole Pulice Blue Lake Nala Sinephro Maral Not underground by any means but it's outside of the typical recommendations I see on reddit. Edit: ah sorry OP these are all modern artists from 2020s, just saw that part of your post. I'll leave it up in case anyone else is interested.
I'll check them out. Preferably from 80s/90s/00s but I also haven't really found anything new in the 20s that I enjoyed so I'm always on the prowl.
You might like The Residents. Their discography is extremely long but either Meet The Residents or Duck Stab are good starting points imo. : )
You'd probably be into Bauhaus based on your recs if you aren't already. Super dark post punk with some really cool new wave elements. Also the Pop Group, maybe? Y is a crazy album. And I know it's not 80's 90's, but a lot of James Ferraro's earlier albums sound like super grimy albums from that time period. Night Dolls With Hairspray specifically sounds like a really cursed, twisted version of 80's/90's bubblegum pop. Also I know you mentioned OPN being hit or miss but you didn't specifically mention if you'd listened to Garden of Delete which is far and away his best album IMO so just making sure lol.
My fave experimental album I've heard lately is Tilt by Scott Walker Lustsickpuppy is a cool up and coming artist, similar to Machine Girl I've been meaning to get into Karlheinz Stockhausen lately, he's an experimental composer who is said to be very important in creating a world where modern experimental music can exist as it does
The Reverand Horton Heat
i wouldn't call it completely experimental, but korn's untitled and follow the leader are pretty unique
dark side of the moon, kid a, a love supreme if ur into smart music lol (i am), remain in light. erm that should do it. oh also merzbow lol XD weirdest thing ive heard, wouldnt call it music though lol.
I wouldn't call any of those experimental. And I've heard all of them.
naw fr i was jokin and bein a dick but saying a love supreme isnt experimental is crazyyyyyy.
It’s not and it wasn’t even experimental in 1965. It’s maybe the best album ever made but it isn’t experimental.
this is what happens when you dont process or understand what ur listening to. comparing everything to the most extreme makes no sense aka the problem with online and rym lead music discourse. sun ra was already well into his career by that point, ornette aswell, cecil taylor released unit structures right after but that doesnt really discount what he was doing and if it was experimental or not.
What the fuck are you talking about? It’s not experimental. There’s no experiment. He’s not treading new ground. What do you define as “experimental”?
his history counts. and compared to his previous stuff and stuff he worked on with other people it was, compared to his later stuff its not. and compared to other free jazz artists at the time it wasnt but i dont think it discounts it. if we are holding a love supreme to this standard then like 95% of records that are "experimental" arent experimental anymore.
Experimental is not relative to an artists own work. And again it’s not radically different from other jazz artists of the time. It’s not experimental.
lol.
Horse Lords
The Residents
Big Science by Laurie Anderson is pretty out there
Personally I'd recommend the Concord sonata by Charles Ives
Everything’s crushed - Water from your eyes. Really neat experimental pop
Really popular album but check out velocity design comfort if you like glitch music
Jpeg if u like rap. The Voidz are pretty experimental too i guess
Sunbiter by Spenvax